Re: [Goanet] Greatest Goan ever
Dear Cecil, And my personal favourite title goes to Historic Opinion Poll Leader late Dr. Jack Sequeira for protecting the identity of Goa. Because of the sacrifice of the great leader YOU and ME are Goykar. Mog asum Lino Dourado --- On Mon, 8/4/08, Cecil Pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: My personal favourite for the title of Greatest Goan ever would be Abbe Faria with D. D. Kossambi coming a close second. Was just wondering which other Goans would really be serious contendors for the title. Can the Admin Team ask for nominations and have a poll? Cheers! Cecil ==
[Goanet] In search of Justice for the deceased, Dominic Savio Coutinho of Canacona.
*CITIZENS' [OF GOA] INITIATIVE* for JUSTICE TO (DECEASED) DOMINIC SAVIO COUTINHO August 4, 2008 To, The Director General of Police, Police Headquarters, Panjim-Goa. Sir, Attached herewith is the abstract of the 'home page' of the web-blog www.goamurdermystery.com detailing the profile of the murder victim (late) Dominic Savio Coutinho of Borkoifond, Canacona - South Goa, as well as the circumstances leading to his murder on 21 July, 2008 or thereabout, which details are self explanatory. The 'Citizens'[Of Goa] Initiative' is very much concerned and perturbed with the way the investigations into this vicious murder case have been conducted by the crime branch of Goa Police, giving us no other alternative but to believe that the police department is clearly seen to be sheltering the murderers of Dominic Savio Coutinho, whoever they are, since even the preliminary investigations, we are given to understand, have not been conducted and the crucial evidence from the scene of the murder has been deliberately allowed to be destroyed by not cordoning off the scene of the murder as is required under crime investigative procedures. Since no F.I.R. has yet been filed, credence to our belief that the police is sheltering the culprit/s in this murder case is increasing each passing day. The 'Citizens' [Of Goa] Initiative' believes in the capabilities of the Goa Police to detect crimes and apprehend the culprits and therefore it is our presumption that the non-action of the Goa Police in this crucial murder case is on go-slow mode, perhaps due to intense political pressure. Having said that, the 'Citizens' [Of Goa] Initiative' prevails on the hierarchy of the Goa Police to accord the seriousness that this murder case deserves complete thorough and fool-proof investigations to bring to book the culprit/s as soon as possible, preferably within a week's time. Having said that, and having reposed full faith in the capability of Goa Police to detect and solve difficult crimes, the 'Citizens' [Of Goa] Initiative' must not be disappointed. Thanking you, Yours faithfully, for Citizens' [Of Goa] Initiative for Justice Sd/- (Floriano C. Lobo) Convenor 383 A, Pirazona - Moira Bardez Goa - 403 507. Tel: Res: (0832) 2470223 (m): 9890470896 Copy to: D.I.G. , Police Headquarters, Panjim-Goa. Copy to: Minister of Home Affairs, Government of Goa, Secretariat, Porvorim-Goa. Copy to: His Excellency the Governor of Goa, Raj Bhavan, Dona Paula, Goa. Copy to: The Chief Minister of Goa, Secretariat, Porvorim-Goa. Endorsed by: The immediate family members and/or friends of (late) Dominic Savio Coutinho. Name.Address/Contact Number/s: Signature: Mrs. Flory Coutinho - 241/A-4 , Mapusa -Bardez (mother) Sd/- Ms Janet Coutinho - do-(sister) Sd/- Judas S. Barreto Cruz -H.No. 1363/1, Canacona, Goa (Relation) Sd/- Ms. Rochelle Solomon , 149D, Gina, Maina Curtorim, Salcette, Goa, Sd/- Adv. Sunita Savant Dessai, Cuncolim, Salcette, Goa. Sd/- Edwin Coutinho, Chaudi, Canacona (Brother) Sd/- A Brief Report: Appointment was taken by yours truly yesterday with the DIG himself for a meeting by the above signed family members and friends of the deceased for 12.00 p.m. today, 4, Aug., 2008. At the meeting the following police officials and others were present besides the above except for Adv. Sunita S. Dessai.: Shri. Kishan Kumar (IGP) officiating. Shri. Mangaldas Dessai ( SP Crime) Shri. Prabudessai (SP South) Shri. Bosco George (SP North) Shri. Sanjay Bandekar (Ex-MLA Canacona) Shri. Abel Barreto Cruz - Friend And of course yours truly. A brief report. Mr. Judas Barreto was very vocal at the meeting and has asked many relevant questions regarding the proficiency of the investigating officer, PI Suraj Halankar of Canacona PS. Mr. Judas has detailed the flaws in the almost non existent investigation. Shri. Prabudessai was put in the dock for the below standard investigation. The IGP has assured a parallel Crime Branch investigation with the normal police investigation of which the final authority will be the South SDM. (Sub-Divisional Magistrate). The crime branch investigation will be headed by Shri. Mangaldas Dessai. Yours truly has insisted that a thorough and qualitative and result oriented investigation must be carried out immediately , and that the responsibility for the slackness of the investigation must be pinned on the incompetent authority. The above petition has been inwarded to all as indicated. The attempts to meet with the Governor were frustrated since the protocol does not allow meetings with the Governor without prior appointments. However, the petition has been inwarded and appointment asked for in this for this delegation to meet with him. All copies of the petition have been inwarded as indicated. PS. The delegation along with Shri. Sanjay Bandekar has met with the Home Minister, Shr
[Goanet] Public Face business
Soter D'Souza wrote: Will Mr. Mendonza spell out the great qualities of leadership that this best of public faces he talks about had to galvanise the people of Goa? I have been there since the inception of GBA and would be keen as an activist to emulate these qualities of leadership, if any. Comment: I am intrigued that Soter should be posing this question at this point of time.Why was this question not posed all along when Dr Oscar Rebello led the GBA and made it a people's movement which finally culminated with the scrapping of the RP2011 against all odds? I have no doubts that the success of the GBA was not due to the singular efforts of Dr Oscar but the collective efforts of many like Soter, Pravin, Miguel and many others unnamed and unheard but who contributed silently and willingly expecting no rewards or recognition.But any movement, in order to be successful needs a public face which carries credibility and respect.(That is why Dr Manmohan Singh was made PM and not Arjun Singh or Pranab Mukherjee who had far more experience and were seasoned politicians). However the point made by Dr Oscar in his resignation letter that a campaign was launched against him on the internet tarnishing his reputation and assasinating his character is very valid. So also his statement that a few individuals wanted him to be a messenger for carrying out their agenda.We have been witness to this calumny on goanet. Mature persons would have tried to resolve their differences through discussions and persuasion and not by vilifying through the media or by hate mails. All said and done, this step of Dr Oscar (who was of course not without his faults) is a major setback to a people's movement and to the goan people. All other movements, whether GPA or GMAS lack credibility as they are linked directly or indirectly to the BJP, whose role behind the scenes is itself questionable. It is also intriguing how the TCP act was passed in March 2008 by the Goa assembly with the full backing of the opposition and not a whimper of protest against the BJP. All that is seen is not what appears. There are wheels within wheels. Regards, Marshall
[Goanet] PATRIARCHAL SOCIALIZATION
For favour of publication, please. =Averthanus= _ PATRIARCHAL SOCIALIZATION. Averthanus L. D'Souza. In the resurgence of interest in the question of women's rights, there have been quite a few innovations in the way feminists think and write about the problem and in the way that they propose solutions. The key words which we often come across are 'equal rights' and 'empowerment of women.' Unfortunately, there is much confusion in the way that these terms are described or understood. For example, if 'equal rights' means the right to equal remuneration for the same kind of work done by men and women, one cannot reasonably differ with the claim. Common sense demands that the amount and the quality of work done by anyone - whether women or men - should be compensated equally. Unfortunately in many parts of the world today, including in the highly developed, industrialized countries, women are discriminated against in respect of equal pay for equal work. This needs to be corrected as soon as possible. Where political enfranchisement is concerned, women are now entitled to vote almost in every country in the world. There are only a few countries where women are still deprived of their right to vote. With the progress of democracy, women are also entitled to hold high office in governments, in the administration, in the judiciary and in commercial and scientific establishments. It is no longer surprising to find a woman Head of State or a woman Head of Government; as it is not surprising to find women pilots of commercial airplanes or even women fighter pilots. In the commercial world, there are quite a few women who serve as Chief Executive Officers or as Heads of various departments. In most cases the top positions are filled on the basis of merit and competence rather than on the basis of sex. Equality of opportunity is, therefore, almost universal. The fight for 'equal rights' however, appears to have other connotations in the writings and public speeches of some women. One discerns an implicit demand for what may be called 'equality of sex.' Unfortunately, this concept has never been clearly defined. This results in much confusion in the public discussions on the subject. In order to deflect criticism of such a demand, the (radical) feminists have invented a concept called 'Patriarchy.'Sociologists are familiar with the existence of patriarchal societies as also of matriarchal societies. But the sense in which the word is used by radical feminists is altogether different. They have given a twist to the concept of 'patriarchy' to make it stand for the oppression of women. It has now become a bad word like colonialism, slavery, oppression etc. The word has been wrenched out of its normal sociological context and has been made into a political tool with which to beat men with. This is quite evident from the fact that in their speeches and writings, these feminists almost always claim that men can also become victims to 'patriarchy.' In this sense, the concept of patriarchy is no longer limited to male dominance. It has been extended to dominance by women as well. According to this understanding, women can also be accused of 'patriarchal behaviour.' The twisting of meaning only confounds the already existing confusion which is so characteristic of the public discourse on women's rights. To further add to the confusion, radical feminists have created another ambiguous, amorphous, undefined concept which they have termed "Gender." They go to great lengths to assert that 'gender' is different from sex. They insist that sex is a biological phenomenon, but that 'gender' is a "cultural construct." In their elaboration of 'gender based' equality, they have taken many wrong turns. The basic mistake that they have made is to disassociate sex from gender. The consequences of this disassociation has resulted in a massive social disaster. Since gender is no longer dependent on biological sex, many people are clamouring for "rights' based on their own subjective perception of their gender.The most evident negative consequence is on the social institution of the family. Aggressive homosexual movements are working hard to change the very definition of the family. Concurrently with this, is the pressure to change the definition of marriage, which has traditionally been understood to be the sexual union between one man and one woman. Space does not permit a detailed analysis of the social problems which have resulted from the artificial disconnection between biological sex and the 'cultural construct' of "gender."Suffice it to say that this mischievous and irrational distinction has opened the Pandora's box of widespread promiscuity in society, which will eventually result in social disintegration.One already sees that homosexuals are 'coming out of the closet.' (as they
Re: [Goanet] Twinkle Khanna - a twinkle on flickr.
http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=Twinkle+Khanna Round those parts, they call me curious Lampiao: flickr pi*s of Domnic's new neighbor! Aye baagwaan, I think I'll have to move to Anjuna soon with my baaldi and kunem; goodbye Sancole, Anjuna, here me come. Say Domnic, does your new neighbour play football.if you know what I mean? I could offer myself to be your jardinier you know- lots of experience in such matters. Baawlem saarkem chok-chokit dista mure, enough to break into poetry and naach! Twinkle-twinkle leetle staaar, how me wonder how you yaar Up above the hills and trees ..errr...gotta run, some Delli patie is knocking on my door. On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 10:47 PM, Domnic Fernandes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At the end of 2006, my next door > neighbor sold her ancestral house and property (around 1,300 sq. meters) to a > Delhi party for Rs.20,00,000 - brokers' (local boys') cut was Rs.5,00,000; > thus > she got Rs.15,00,000 net. >
[Goanet] Time pass on goanet!
Why waist your time on Celina, Katrina, Fodrina, etc.? I think he meant waste quite Goa as is appealed by Elizabeth Carvalho (Selma). quite, i didn't quite get this. Is it quit. Goa is finished..gone...there is nothing left to say WE GOANS And I thought Goa was immoveable, I maybe be wrong! Long leave India.long leave Manmohan...Long leave Sonia. Long leave F. M. ...Long leave? I think it must be live Anyway, enough TIME PASS for the day!! Seb
Re: [Goanet] Re the Goan Convention in Toronto and a dozen
2008/8/2 waylusha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: (1) I notice you keep getting quite a lot of regular flak from posters (2) my cousin attended the Convention unlike you - (3) you embarrass yourself in taking on Eugene, who actually attended! (4) I guess Rico's been right about you all along! My questions to you are elementary: Why do you have to act as someone else's MOUTHPIECE? Were YOU in Toronto to verify any of the facts you 'challenge'? Where did you pick up these effeminate traits? == Dear Waylusha, What a delightful name. I don't remember the last time I was Waylushad by someone as mysterious as you. Allow me to please start by saying that Rico is always right about everything. I know that Eugene will tell us more about two items (a) whether he has cleared his dues yet? (b) if the woman-visa thingy stuff is true or false. If we have to gossip, let's gossip. Now: My turn to ask you some questions: Why do you have to act as someone else's MOUTHPIECE? Were YOU in Toronto to verify any of these "facts" I challenge? How do you know that my 'cousins' (Daylusha and Nightlusha) were not attendees of the convention under their original names? BTW: I must confess that I picked up the effeminate traits from Goan Crabs who hide under pseudonyms. Never forget now: Rico has been / is / and will always be right about me and everything else. As Velim based Kon-fucius said: One mouth piece no different from another mouth piece. jc
Re: [Goanet] Public Accounting for Public Money
Roland Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (1) It would be interesting if a Goan tax payer asked for a public accounting of the finances of the Saldanha Convention that took place in Toronto recently in view of the fact that the NRI Commissioner handed over a cheque for 5000 Euros to the organizers. (2) It does leave a funny feeling in the pit of one's stomach to think that Goan tax payers were asked to partly finance what was in effect a pointless gathering. (3) Having made this vinegar posting let me add a little Goan jaggery to it. -- re # 1: I agree absolutely with Roland Francis. If the NRI commissioner handed a cheque worth 5000 euros made in the name of "the Saldanha convention", the Saldanhas must provide open accounting of the funds. They should NOT wait for any post-dated cheques to be cleared (or bounced) before making this 'open accounting'. re #2: I too would have had a " funny feeling in the pit of my stomach" IF I (like one among the negative crabby Goans) had predicted in March 2008 that this convention will not happen. What gall these 8 Goans have to pull out all the stops and make this convention happen - when one of the Crabs predicted (did he do it in writing?) that this convention would not happen. If I was such a person, I would be ashamed to be in Toronto during this event. I would run away to another part of Canada and hide under the excuse of something urgent a medical conference on the "Beneficial effects of Goan Crab Curry. But I would be in contact with the Vinegar dispenser from Sandy Point. The two of us could pour a whole pile of Vinegar on the hard work of people I would later call friends. re #3: Having said that, adding jaggery after pouring Vinegar into Crab-Codi does not make it all very nice and tasty. It might make it a wee bit sweeter - but everyone who knows how to make Crab-Codi knows that it is not authentic. It is Fake. Here is to Lisette, Kevin and the rest of the magnificent 8 from Toronto. With your effort, in the face of such negative crabs, you have made me feel good about Goans again. jc BTW: dear magnificent 8, did you also experience the "band-wagoners' syndrome? Where you do all the hard work, and others conveniently try muscle their way into doing coochie-coochie with the Chief Guest etc? If my experience (and knowledge) is anything to go by, there would be people (not on the planning committee) already making the itinerary for YOUR invitee ...while he was still in Goa! When will Goans leave alone this depressing habit of "touching the feet" of politicians?
[Goanet] United in Division
Dears, While the second part of Soter's post has come up for debate on Goanet, the positive first part that documents the victories in spite of adversities, has been missed. Thousands of years, Anita? The Portuguese ruled Old Goa for 451 years, the rest of Goa for less. The British did not last even 200 years! Anti-Nylon-6,6, anti-Regional Plan 2011 and anti-SEZ movements have been qualified successes ...without parallel in India. The Opinion Poll was the only referendum held in India. Even Kashmir was not granted this option to decide. The Konkani agitation is a classic example of getting what one does not want in the name of something on wants ...like being struck by lightning when all one asked for was lighting up the dark night and a single incandescent bulb would do. The Regional Plan 2021 with the TCP [Amendment] Act, 2008, is something similar to the Official Language Act, 1987. So you 'asked' for it? Now take it with the Sports City in goa Velha, Meditation Spa in Loliem, mega PPP Tourist enclaves on the beachfronts, Gated communities all over Goa and many more things to come YOU asked for it, the Task Force will give it to you , baby. According to the grapevine, we are even getting UGDP's Babush as a Minister at 10.00 A.M. tomorrow Hurry Prasad! Mog asundi, Miguel Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 12:58:56 +0530 From: "soter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet] United in Division Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Ms. Anita Mathew wrote: "Division is our forte and that is one of the reasons we were under foreign rule for thousands of years and maybe still are!" Perhaps she has not yet understood Goa after working here. If division was the forte of Goa, we definitely would not have won the historic Opinion Poll, Official status for konkanni (although one community was ditched in the bargain), Statehood, anti-nylon 66, anti-RP2011 and so many struggles by small people that never get sung because they are not in the interest of the elitist exploiters. Division has been there even during the times of Jesus Christ. He was betrayed by one of his twelve and crucified. So, what is so great about division? Prophets were never accepted. It existed even in the Indian independence struggle and the Goan liberation struggle. It was there in the anti-emergency struggle against Indira Gandhi. Which State in this country does not have divisions? The greatness of a leader lies in how he manoeuvres around these limitations and keeps the flame alive. Cricket on your mind? Visit the ultimate cricket website. Enter http://in.sports.yahoo.com/cricket/
[Goanet] United in division
Dears, Soter's obvious reference seems to be to Mr. K. Kalanand Mani of the Peaceful Society, Madkai-Ponda. He has done a lot of good work, though not always in the way I would like to see it done ... including the association with GMAS or GPA through Soter but with PS consent. The world does not march to the beat of just one drum. It would be difficult to find fault with Soter on the analysis of Oscar, a person I have strongly defended [including on Goanet] in the past for the sake of the GBA. Signing the INTERIM REPORT of the Task Force on RPG on 03 May, 2008, without reporting to the GBA as resolved on 14 and 31 March, 2008, was bad enough. Going to the Press against the GBA immediately after his return from a private holiday in Europe, was worse. One would think he was smarter for the experience after he apologised on the 04 June for the insanity of 28 May, 2008 . only to do it again on 01 August, 2008. Anyway, that is history. The work on hand for the PEOPLE OF GOA is to get the GOA TOWN & COUNTRY PLANNING [AMENDMENT] ACT, 2008 that amends Section 16 and 16 A of Goa TCP Act, 1974 to exclude government projects [Film City, Football Academy, Sports City, Mopa Airport, GTDC Hotels, IDC Estates, School Complexes with hotels and residential blocks, Central University with Convention Centre,Marinas, Minor Ports, etc] REPEALED in the monsoon session of the Goa Legislative Assembly beginning 18 August and ending on the eve of Ganesh Chaturthi. The GBA continues to inspire and lead the people of Goa. while mourning the loss of an Oscar, the GBA did do a presentation on the TCP Act, 2008 on the very next day, 02 august, 2008. It also held a meeting to chart the path ahead. As Lawrence of Arabia said, "There are no rest houses in a revolution." Goa is experiencing a people's revolution, nothing less. Visit www.savegoa.com to see the presentation that was made to the Press and the Public on 02 August, 2008, at Panaji under Sabina martins, Co-convener of GBA for North Goa. This will be repeated in Margao shortly under the leadership of Shridhar Kamat, Co-Convener of GBA for South Goa with the assistance of the Salcete Taluka Coordinators Serafino Cotta and Dilip Prabhudesai, as dedided at the GBA meeting of 28 July, 2008, attended till the end by its Convener for the last time before his sudden resignation as Convener [NOT as member of the 'Core Group' of GBA that meets every month, or more often as needed]. Mog asundi. Miguel Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 05:20:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Samir Kelekar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 05:20:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Soter writes: >Did GBA have this leadership is the question? or Was GBA's leadership a >>cultivation of the media and power brokers? But history will note that it was the GBA which gave the first strike, and showed that it is possible to shake the mighty. Whatever happened to the GPA ? I know Sabina Martins from my college days. Same with Patricia Pinto. The nice thing about the GBA is that it works on consensus. As such, there is bound to be conflict. It is time to give responses to the Regional Plan document. Is anyone willing to plunge into the document and study it and give appropriate responses or will we only get into a downward spiral and destroy Goa? regards, Samir Share files, take polls, and make new friends - all under one roof. Go to http://in.promos.yahoo.com/groups/
[Goanet] When Baga was 'bridge-less'
Roland Francis wrote about Baga beach: When we returned to the Baga beach on the lower level, there were a few young Hippie Caucasian couples in all sorts of languorous positions, fully nude. We decided to sit and watch the fun, peeping toms if you will. We were watching one pretty woman washing some vessels in the sea water, her breasts heaving with every scrub. She used the grains of sand as one would use soap and was doing a good job of it. Suddenly one couple came right in our line of view and started performing some kind of funny movement. Basically, he was standing right behind her and rubbing himself on her behind. I was wondering what kind of foreplay that was and would have liked to see what came at the end of it. But becoming conscious of a prude female cousin with us, I decided to use discretion and pretended to be scandalized,suggesting we return to the Calangute side before low tide could ebb. --- Dear Roland, The activity you observed of the male rubbing himself on 'the behind' of the female was not necessarily an act of foreplay but could be a sexual act in itself. This is referred to as frottage. The term derives from the French verb frotter meaning 'to rub'. The term frotteur is the French noun literally meaning 'rubber' or 'one who rubs'. Frottage can be clothed or non-clothed, as well as consensual or non-consensual. Clothed non-consensual 'frotteurism' (the correct term for the act when it is non-consensual) occurs regularly in crowded local buses here in Goa. Legal action can be taken under the all-encompassing crime 'eve teasing' - a term peculiar to South Asia. More about frottage can be found at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-penetrative_sex Cheers! Cecil =
[Goanet] Travelling by Train: Goa-Delhi-Goa
Travelling by Train: Goa-Delhi-Goa Video: Train Experience http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=R3HkZTgxS8c For best quality viewing.. Pl use the option 'View in High Quality' located just below the 'View' >From now on, use this option for all future videos (also from July/Aug 2008) Moving Train Captures/Views/Beautiful Scenery etc http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukindia/2721029904/sizes/l/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukindia/2721038780/sizes/l/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukindia/2720213871/sizes/l/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukindia/2721037382/sizes/l/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukindia/2720213545/sizes/l/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukindia/2720268877/sizes/l/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukindia/2721029580/sizes/l/ local school kids http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukindia/2720214907/ Western style http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukindia/2720215193/ Indian Style http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukindia/2721038378/sizes/l/ Water Falls This mouth watering biryani we had at Delhi cooked by a Goan household. As our train was leaving early morning nextday, we could not stay with them for dinner so they paked it up in containers... and we had it in our hotel room. Includes Mutton too. http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk_fishcurryrice/2711234725/sizes/l/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa & NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa __ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html
[Goanet] Twinkle Khanna (Akshay Kumar's wife) buys a house in Gaumvaddy, Anjuna
At the end of 2006, my next door neighbor sold her ancestral house and property (around 1,300 sq. meters) to a Delhi party for Rs.20,00,000 - brokers' (local boys') cut was Rs.5,00,000; thus she got Rs.15,00,000 net. By the end of 2007, the whole house was renovated in antique style while maintaining its originality. The party built an exposed masonry front compound wall, created a garden in front of the house, built a swimming pool at the back with an antique style shed or rest place beside the pool, and installed a Jacuzzi. He also furnished the house with antiquities brought in from Kerala. On the whole, he must have spent a little over Rs. one crore on the house and antiquities. He then put up the house for sale – buying, developing plots/houses and selling them seems to be his business. Different quotes were floating ranging from Rs.2-3 crores. Last February, one fine evening Akshay Kumar, the Bollywood actor, arrived in Anjuna and by the next morning a deal was reached - he bought the house for his wife, Twinkle Khanna, for Rupees three crores!!! The house is named "TARA". So far, they (Twinkle Khanna and her son, her mother, Dimple Kapadia and Akshay Kumar's sister) paid only one visit to the house. They stay put in the house for four days. When asked if the house was for sale and even when it was sold to the Delhi party, my neighbor always denied the fact and asked "Tumkam konnem sanglam hanv ghor vinktam mhunnon?" (Who told you I am selling the house?). Current rate in Anjuna is between Rs.6,000-7000 per square meter. The lady now regrets having sold the house so cheap. What’s the use of crying over spilled milk now? Moreover, the norm of the day in Goa is "Paisa feko, tamasha dekho". (Spend money and enjoy the show)! Moi-mogan, Domnic Fernandes Gaumvaddy, Anjuna _ >From salsa lessons to filmy gossip, news to music concerts - watch it all on >MSN Video http://video.msn.com/?mkt=en-in
Re: [Goanet] In the lighter vein: Rape of Goa at Grace Church hall
Tony, Was just wondering how someone can educate goans...Who are normally not calm and peaceful on all other days:-) Food for thought this:-)) hAVE a nICE dAY Seb Goanet is read by thousands of readers. It is very irritating to read messages written in horrible English, particularly, by someone like Mr. Barad who is supposed to be an author of several books and a doctor. Check this: --on account of which I organized Rape of Goa at Grace Church hall in Margao through --one of the NGO. --On the day both were peaceful and calm and literary busy educating Goans ** Tony Martin English Teacher, Freelance Writer and Author Dubai, UAE Cell: 050-1460524 *
[Goanet] goans should stop selling property - 2
Dear goanetters, Any goan residing in goa, will be unhappy with goans selling off their property, as this leads to more poverty-stricken goans and also poses a security risk for Goa. Let us listen to concerned goans like Mervyn and others. Our ancestral homes are places of history, where neighbours will tell you about the habits and personalities of your foreparents. These are places where our ancestors, got married, raised children, spent time chatting with the wife and maybe the mistress, played with their children, and worked hard, to give us a better life, etc. What do some goans do with this wonderful inheritance? They just sell it, instead of GIFTING IT TO THEIR CHILDREN . Very sad Regards, Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:28:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Mario Goveia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Goanet] Selling Our Ancestral Home Mario Goveia wrote: > > Regarding what people who sell their properties do > with the money, how is this anyone else's business? > It's their money to do with as they wish. > Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:55:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Mervyn Lobo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > No. It is not their money to do as they wish. > Mario asks: > It isn't? The last time I checked, India was still a democracy where the citizens have individual rights including the right to own and sell property without consulting anyone on Goanet:-)) > So, once someone in Goa sells their property, who exactly tells tham what to do with their money? > Mervyn wrote: > There ARE responsibilities that come with the sale of a home: 1) Taxes to be paid. 2) Investing responsibly so that the home seller can live comfortably for the rest of his days.? 3) Finding a better or?similar environment for?the family.
[Goanet] Goa news for August 5, 2008
Goa News from Google News and Goanet.org Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories. *** Goa Moving Towards New Political Polarisation - Navhind Times [Aug 3, 2008] After presenting an outstanding and path breaking budget this year, Mr Narvekar got busy with the preparation of Goas brief for the XIII th finance ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/4-0&fd=R&url=http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=080424&cid=1233357156&ei=-5CXSPChDIKmgwPF-pDUBA&usg=AFQjCNGhPBH14qXaeOGxIUFLeKCWjgJ5JQ *** Goa to appoint NRIs to state boards - Hindustan Times [Aug 3, 2008] Goa is set to become the first state in India to appoint non-resident Indians (NRIs) to various boards and corporations. ``Putting Goan expatriates on state ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/0-0&fd=R&url=http://www.hindustantimes.com/Redir.aspx?ID=79366acb-9fa1-45b4-9ff0-048db1287ea2&ParentID=4f044040-6069-4057-aa13-e29c474fad80&cid=1233237112&ei=-5CXSPChDIKmgwPF-pDUBA&usg=AFQjCNEHQ6tYkhq_OwcoXKtNwmtHB68IEA *** Indian market a shoppers\' nirvana - Chicago Tribune [16 hours ago] By Emily Wax http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/5-0&fd=R&url=http://www.chicagotribune.com/features/lifestyle/chi-indian-market-fill-0804aug04,0,146257.story&cid=1233358228&ei=-5CXSPChDIKmgwPF-pDUBA&usg=AFQjCNGn-kxIQqrzJbTVpU0f0JbavEh8cg *** \'Naa Girlfriend Baaga Rich\' to can song in Goa - IndiaGlitz [12 hours ago] Director says, 'We planned to can a song in Goa after the current schedule. After the choreography of that song, there would be another schedule, ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/3-0&fd=R&url=http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/telugu/article/40499.html&cid=0&ei=-5CXSPChDIKmgwPF-pDUBA&usg=AFQjCNGnTqSy7itXk03EHoNSdd3nf9G-Wg *** International conference on personal care products in Goa - Press Trust of India [Aug 1, 2008] Mumbai, Aug 2 (PTI) About 500 delegates from 30 nations are likely to attend the global conference on personal care products to be held in Goa from October ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/9-0&fd=R&url=http://www.ptinews.com/pti%5Cptisite.nsf/0/F6F0DF9F0C4F97BC6525749900226F04?OpenDocument&cid=1232664078&ei=-5CXSPChDIKmgwPF-pDUBA&usg=AFQjCNH3BZR9o3Bnrm6USKyk_iwAjOcVYQ *** Film city - a need of the hour for Goa - Navhind Times [Aug 3, 2008] "They further offered to hold premiers of their films, music launches and even film awards functions in Goa," he informed, adding, "The film fraternity was ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/8-0&fd=R&url=http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=080412&cid=0&ei=-5CXSPChDIKmgwPF-pDUBA&usg=AFQjCNEzGlO7r7cetaNJU9AeuLSCtVcmNg *** Sesa Goa among major gainers - Myiris.com [18 hours ago] The scrip has touched an intra-day high of Rs 3623 and low of Rs 3475. The total volume of shares traded at the BSE is 47215. In the earlier session, ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/7-0&fd=R&url=http://www.myiris.com/newsCentre/storyShownew_opt.php?fileR=20080804102126199&dir=2008/08/04&cid=0&ei=-5CXSPChDIKmgwPF-pDUBA&usg=AFQjCNH-XbNPVM49H6Kcg0d1rOWtLYuWsA *** Goa Carbon plans to invest INR 700 crore for - SteelGuru [20 hours ago] ET reported that Dempo Groups calcined petroleum coke maker Goa Carbon is mulling to invest INR 700 crore mainly to set up a Greenfield plant and enhance ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/6-0&fd=R&url=http://steelguru.com/news/index/2008/08/04/NTczMzg%3D/Goa_Carbon_plans_to_invest_INR_700_crore_for_expansions.html&cid=0&ei=-5CXSPChDIKmgwPF-pDUBA&usg=AFQjCNHu_ZeF__F9FqVKGmOVwrJH3noMFg *** Make Goa a film hub, says industry - Times of India [Aug 2, 2008] PANAJI: Prominent Bollywood personalities have shown an interest in turning Goa into a location to shoot their films. A delegation of the Entertainment ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/2-0&fd=R&url=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Goa/Make_Goa_a_film_hub_says_industry/articleshow/3320001.cms&cid=0&ei=-5CXSPChDIKmgwPF-pDUBA&usg=AFQjCNFEtzFu1bWojbWIwRzIoTgrSwH84A *** Old Goa locals oppose shifting of historic pillar - Times of India [22 hours ago] OLD GOA: With opposition mounting to the proposal for shifting the centuries old pillar Pelourinho Novo (new pillory), better known as hath khatro khambo ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/1-0&fd=R&url=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Goa/Old_Goa_locals_oppose_shifting_of_historic_pillar/articleshow/3322529.cms&cid=0&ei=-5CXSPChDIKmgwPF-pDUBA&usg=AFQjCNHFyEiJJ2d1wRHKeYG0GU293XfOXw Compiled by Goanet News Service http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php
[Goanet] Re the Goan Convention in Toronto and a dozen
Dear J. Colaco, I notice you keep getting quite a lot of regular flak from posters mainly due to your apparent ignorance of the facts, your propensity to keep fishing in troubled waters, and last but not least to act as a mouthpiece for others who would sooner distance themselves from No doubt you will pass some tired witticism here - not for nothing do hundreds cringe at that 'tiresome doktor from the Bahamas' Anyhow, in your desperate attempt to ingratiate yourself with the Toronto Convention organisers - discrediting what is already common knowledge, my cousin attended the Convention unlike you - you embarrass yourself in taking on Eugene, who actually attended! My questions to you are elementary: Why do you have to act as someone else's MOUTHPIECE? Were YOU in Toronto to verify any of the facts you 'challenge'? Where did you pick up these effeminate traits? I guess Rico's been right about you all along! Waylusha. >From: "J. Colaco < jc>" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: [Goanet] Re the Goan Convention in Toronto and a dozen > >Dears (as Miguel sez) > >I wish to commend the Organising Committee of the Toronto convention >for putting together this year's convention. Now that the event is >over, it is time to let out a sigh of relief. > >Well done good people. Well done. I wish we could have been there just >to be with the fine Goans of Toronto. Having personally met Lisette & >Kevin Saldanha, Ben Antao, Bosco De Mello, Francis Rodrigues, Roland >Francis, Mervyn Lobo, and Silviano Barbosa, and interacted several >moons ago with John J. De Souza, I knew that the convention was in >good hands. > >Only those who have organised events will know: > >(i)How difficult and thankless, it is to put together an event >(ii) that it takes strong personalities to put together any event. >(iii) that some weak persons have difficulty with strong >personalities - esp if they happen to be female. >(iv) The satisfaction one gets from organising events. >(v) That there will always be those complaining 'les miserables' >(vi) That even among diaspora Goans, there is intense envy >(vii) The best way to deal with crabs is to make Codi out of them. > >Talking about Crabs, Envy and the musical 'Les miserables', I was >struck by the "Convention' posts of Eugene Correia. > >May I declare upfront my personal biases here. I personally believe >that Lisette & Kevin Saldanha, Ben Antao, Bosco De Mello, Francis >Rodrigues, Roland Francis, Mervyn Lobo, Silviano Barbosa, and John J. >De Souza are good people. When you meet them, you will find nothing >but positive energy in the room. > >Do they have some weak points to go along with their strong points? >absolutely! Who does not? > >On the other hand, may I declare my personal bias against the negative >energy that some very bitter people emit. Their names are well known, >I do not need to repeat them here. > >That brings me to the Eugene Correia post. > >Many among us know that Eugene is quite famous for his inability or >perhaps unwillingness to research facts before he writes. So, what >does a person who is a factless wonder do when he knows not the facts >- he invents them..
Re: [Goanet] Selling Our Ancestral Home
Mario, Merwyn I have just been observing your quotes, it just states your frame of minds, pathetic. What has anyone selling land ,got to do with you or anyone, who the ? are you to question anyone freedom to sell their own properties, what gives you the right, You have what it takes come and buy, or shut up. You want Goa , to be there, the way you think it should, come to Goa and stay here and work for it, land your asses here and not there where you are , fisher mongers at Goa are better then you on this forum, anyone can sit and write crap, it is too easy for a idiot to sit on computer and put his stupid thoughts on the net , by punching a keyboard, work for it if you can, Action is the key word, stop you idiotic opinions, non conclusive and void.? talk some sense, Ayres deSouza On 8/1/08, Mario Goveia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mario Goveia?wrote: > > > > BTW, unless I'm missing something, aren't there many > > real poor people in Goa, who never had a home to > > sell in the first place that are much more in need > > of help and education? > > > Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:11:53 -0700 (PDT) > From: Mervyn Lobo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Mario, > You and me have been yapping for too long on the net. > If you are a man of action and are ready to help, how > about us donating some time and/or money to those who > really need help in Goa? > > > Mario responds: > > > With all due respect, I have not been yapping about > myself and how wonderful and perspicacious I am. I > have been too pre-occupied with correcting > misrepresentations I see in some Goanet posts. > > > I have also been actually doing what you are > suggesting for quite some time now. I believe you > have done the same. > > > However, people who have sold their ancestral > properties have not made my list of priorities as yet. > > > > > > -- Ayres deSouza
Re: [Goanet] Notes from the Goan Convention
Santosh Helekar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 1: I have always believed that a sound critique based on facts is essential to any form of honest discourse. 2: Gilbert fails to recognize what is based on gossip, hearsay and personal opinion, and what is based on fact. 3: He also seems not to recognize the principle of not divulging private information about others in a public forum. earlier: Gilbert Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 4: I did not attend the meeting. 5: I thought Eugene's write up was factual without malice == jc's response (final on this topic ...unless) Dear Santoshbab, I absolutely agree with your above (excerpted) points. I was horrified to read Eugene's post. I am sure that other people (when they are tired, upset, drunk) will say anything to us. Some of it may be true and some of it not. There are always (temporary) inter-personal issues when a group is organising an event. If the event fails, the blame always falls on the 'event coordinator / manager etc'. That is why one chooses a strong and hard-working person to get the job done; not some drunk loose-lips or a lazy woos who does little constructive. Strong people always demand much and deliver much. Some among us have a problem with strong leadership especially when the leader happens to be a woman. Happens! Sometimes too - in a weak moment - some say many things to others (in confidence). Some of it is true, some of it is not. It is important to verify - as much as we can and to ask IF that information can be quoted in a public forum. It is never our business (if we are sensible) to reveal confidential personal information about others. Does Gilbert not practice the principle of confidentiality wrt personal information? and How does he know that the information revealed by Eugene was 'factual'.? Did he do due diligence. Just for the record, I spoke for a total of 3 hours and 37 minutes to different individuals in Toronto, asking ALL kinds of questions and counter questions, before I put my post in the form of 12 questions. I intentionally avoided question number 13 in the public forum - as it involved a third party (a woman) and something about a Canadian visa to attend the convention. I did put that question (in a non-public forum post) to Eugene as it is my information that he had a link to that issue. He may choose to address that issue or he may choose to ignore them and abuse further. I did however repeat my question about the payment (or future-payment) of registration fees. This is yet another invitation to Eugene Correia to answer this question: Has he cleared the registration dues, YET? From what I understand, the convention concluded over a week ago. sincerely jc As Velim based Kon fucius once said: He who throws fators on other people's windows, will have no windows himself. So much for 'exposure'.(;-)
Re: [Goanet] PORTUGUESE NATIONALITY (FOLLOW-UP)
SHASHI COMMENTS IN CAPITAL: After reading your post, I am convinced that Portuguese nationality is definitely not for you. RE: NOBODY CARES WHETHER YOU ARE CONVINCED OR NOT. YOU ARE NOT THERE TO CERTIFY ANYONE'S RIGHTS. I also agree that No One should want to be associated with any 'unknown piece of uncivilized land on this planet EARTH' ...except perhaps Antarctica. At least in the Antarctica there might be Ice. In Portugal, what is there besides Porto, Vinho Verde, Fado and some Cod Fish? Those guys don't even have Vindaloo (cousin of Portaloo) in Portugal. RE: IT IS NONE OF ANYONE'S BUSINESS IF HE OR SHE WANTS TO GET IN TO DESERT, SNOW OR AN UNCIVILSED LAND SUCH AS PORTUGAL AND CIVILISED ANTARTICA (ACCORDING TO JC) Those 'lazy, racist and cunning bureaucrats' really have no right to expect an opportunist in their midst. good wishes jc ps: Apologies that I do not conform with your "expectations" of me. RE: WITHOUT ASCERTAINING OR KNOWING ME, IF YOU ARE INDIRECTLY REFERING ME AS AN "OPPORTUNIST", THEN I REALLY FORGIVE YOU BECAUUSE BY NOW ALL ARE AWARE THAT YOU ARE EITHER A "BIASED AGENT OF PORTUGAL" OR SUFFERING FROM A DREADED DISEASE/PHOBIA KNOWN AS "FRAUDICE" AS EVERY APPLICANT SEEMS TO BE FRAUD OR OPPORTUNIST TO YOU. IN CASE OF LATER I REALLY PITY YOU AND WOULD SUGGEST THAT THE RIGHT MEDICINE FOR YOU IS TO GO AND TAKE A PROPER SURVEY AND OBTAIN OPINIONS OF APPLICANTS BOTH AT CRC AND AT THE PORTUGUESE CONSULATE WHO ARE WAITING IN ANTICIPATION WITH HOPES IN THEIR EYES. GOD BLESS YOU. Shashi
Re: [Goanet] Re the Goan Convention in Toronto and a dozen
Dear JC, I normally do not like LITANYs, either the Latin ones nor the newly concocted Konkani ones. In fact I do not like Litanys at all... Period. But I must confess that when it come to Litany(s) about Goan Crabs, I don't just like 'em; I LOVE THEM. And, frankly speaking, this new litany that you have taken pains to compose is the best of all the litany(s) that I have heard so far. Just as the 'moderator' in an intense debate would sum up the pros and cons, I would like to venture into summing up this litany of yours vis a vis Eugene Correia and the Toronto Convention in just one flat sentence: Eugene Correia is not only a master FUKOT CH**U, but also a gossip monger who reveals private personal details on public forums. And I would BLACK LIST Eugene Correia, once and for, all from all GOAN EVENTS. cheers floriano goasuraj ps: Like the CRAB which walks backward, I like to pass very severe sentences. If I was the Judge of an Honourable Court (not Dishonourble though :-) ) A lot of criminals who are walking free on Goa's sacred soil would be hanging by the toughest of ropes. - Original Message - From: "J. Colaco < jc>" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 5:34 PM Subject: [Goanet] Re the Goan Convention in Toronto and a dozen Dears (as Miguel sez) I wish to commend the Organising Committee of the Toronto convention for putting together this year's convention. Now that the event is over, it is time to let out a sigh of relief. Well done good people. Well done. I wish we could have been there just to be with the fine Goans of Toronto. Having personally met Lisette & Kevin Saldanha, Ben Antao, Bosco De Mello, Francis Rodrigues, Roland Francis, Mervyn Lobo, and Silviano Barbosa, and interacted several moons ago with John J. De Souza, I knew that the convention was in good hands. Only those who have organised events will know: (i)How difficult and thankless, it is to put together an event..
Re: [Goanet] Re the Goan Convention in Toronto and a dozen
Mogal Juzé...mogal & all... How deliciously sharp your scalpel is! Alfred > Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 08:04:39 -0400> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL > PROTECTED]; goanet@lists.goanet.org> Subject: [Goanet] Re the Goan Convention > in Toronto and a dozen> > Dears (as Miguel sez)> > I wish to commend the > Organising Committee of the Toronto convention> for putting together this > year's convention. Now that the event is> over, it is time to let out a sigh > of relief.> > Well done good people. Well done. I wish we could have been > there just> to be with the fine Goans of Toronto. Having personally met > Lisette &> Kevin Saldanha, Ben Antao, Bosco De Mello, Francis Rodrigues, > Roland> Francis, Mervyn Lobo, and Silviano Barbosa, and interacted several> > moons ago with John J. De Souza, I knew that the convention was in> good > hands. _ Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us
Re: [Goanet] Save Goa crusader Oscar quits GBA
To Goanet - Miguel Braganza wrote: >I was as solidly with Soter D'Souza and the Goa People's Assembly . . >Then you shifted the goal posts ...or you had hidden the goal posts >earlier ... to reveal Dr. Anil DESA-i and other men-behind-the-curtains Who were these "other men behind the curtains"? You must have a good deal of experience about men "behind the curtains" given how your confrere used a fake ID on Goanet to snipe at others and then got found out. And what is there to "reveal" about Dr. Anil Desai? He was, still is, solidly behind the Goa People's Assembly. In fact, it was he who mooted the idea of this public forum and encouraged Soter and I to implement it. He paid for half of the expenses of the June 16 event. He also sent a projector from London so that I could hold shows of "The Rape of Goa" all over Goa. What more would you like to know? Do you want scans of the bills for Hotel Mandovi and Seby Sound? After that, what else? A peep into our private bank accounts? You made the public allegation that the Goa People's Assembly was a secret Manohar Parrikar and/or BJP operation. Provide evidence for it. Other than your babble, you have NOTHING - nada, zifr, zilch - to back up that charge. I asked you to present evidence for your charges, in person at Cafe Prakash. All you could manage was "bub! bub! glug! glug!" and then a litany of whines the next morning here on Goanet. Warm regards, r
Re: [Goanet] Goa Bachao Abhiyan is far from over
If they are not in touch with the happenings in Goa, they can't be called Goans! hAVE a nICE dAY Seb Dear Miguel I attended two Goan conventions in July (California, Toronto). Over 90% of the attendees did not hear of the GBA or their accomplishments. Regards, George
Re: [Goanet] Notes from the Goan Convention
Selma, if i may add..."By people without any reputation" Dear Santosh et al, Of late I have refrained from posting on Goanet. It has become a forum to ruin people's reputations. The newspapers said that Oscar Rebello resigned on account of the hate-campaign started against him on the internet. The internet has become a powerful yet vicious tool. selma --- On Sun, 8/3/08, Santosh Helekar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I too was disappointed by the critique referred to by George, and also by the infighting that is going on between all the Goan fighters and organizations. It is hard to understand why people rely so much on pure gossip, misunderstanding and personal bias. Cheers, Santosh
Re: [Goanet] 2008 International Goan Convention
2008 International Goan Convention: We Came, We GNAT-ed, We Conquered! by Filomena Saraswati Giese Part I Having just participated in the very successful bi-ennial GOA 2008 Convention in San Jose organized by the Hindu Goans of North America, Goa Sudharop Board members, Filomena Giese (President), George Pinto, and Acaria Almeida came to Toronto with an open and even skeptical mind: would there be new and positive outcomes from yet another Goan Convention? Here’s a run down of our impressions and what we learned: 1. First of all, kudos to the very small Committee of GNAT-ters who undertook the planning of a Convention within less than a year! While we cannot name all the volunteers and helpers, special thanks are due to Kevin and Lisette Saldanha, Francis and Clara Rodrigues, Ben Antao, Mervyn Lobo, Bosco and Pamela D’Mello. This small core of organizers (the new GNAT) attended to the complicated details of having a Goan Convention. They were on hand, unfailingly, to answer our questions and solve problems. They chose an outstanding theme, the issues facing Goans today in Goa and the diaspora, and combined it with a series of cultural events to showcase Goan artistic and musical talent. They brought together representatives of various Goan organizations and recognized some of their contributions to the Goan community. They gave a chance to Goan youth to attend workshops and give their views. Any one of these themes could have filled an entire Convention. But that they managed to give us a series of excellent and varied presentations was nothing short of remarkable! 2. Attendance: Goans came from London and the U.K., the Mid-East, Portugal, Australia, the U.S., and Goa. However, the Goan community around Toronto did not seem to avail themselves of a great opportunity to hear speakers from Goa who were knowledgeable about issues of development and preservation of heritage. Or, the opinions of diaspora Goans on the new challenges facing our community. But hopefully, the word will be spread by representatives of our Goan organizations who attended and through the DVDs made of the workshops and presentations. The cultural events were really well attended and brought in the Goan, Mangalorean, and Anglo-Indian communities of Toronto. It was a great experience to exchange views with Goans from so many far-flung parts of the globe. 3. The Chief Guest, the NRI Commissioner Eduardo Faleiro, spoke on a number of occasions about what the Goa government could do for NRI Goans. But some who attended the special question and answer session with him reported that he was somewhat evasive when questioned about specific questions such as property issues and gross violations of land sales and building codes. His answer seemed to be that we NRGs could email him and he would investigate. We came away with the impression that the present government of Goa does not have a serious plan to help Goans preserve their identity and heritage in Goa. According to Mr. Faleiro, it is, however, looking for investments from NRGs in their villages and will match up to 10 lakhs of any community project they sponsor. Perhaps overseas Goans could take note of this offer if they want to leave their mark on their native village. 4. Alexyz Cartoon Show and Book Launch: The incredibly good cartoonist, Alexyz, exhibited his collection of cartoons of Great Goans (Shenoy Goembab, Abbe Faria, Manoharrai Sardessai, Bl. Joseph Vaz and others) and political caricatures about the Goa political scene. Lea and Victor Rangel-Ribeiro released his book, Goa…Goan… Goaing… Gone…?. When they unveiled the book, they found a cartoon of themselves in their New York apartment to everyone’s delight and surprise! Alexyz participated in the presentations and shared his first-hand views of the deterioration in Goa which Goans are valiantly trying to deal with. Like all the speakers from Goa, Alexyz appealed to the Goan diaspora to support them in the struggle for Goan preservation and for help in coping with AIDS, alcoholism, the sex trade, and the negative impact on Goan youth and families of tourism. 5. Workshops and Presentations: Wendell Rodricks: Acaria attended all 3 exciting workshops in fashion design given by Wendell Rodricks. These brought in several young Goans and their friends. Wendell demonstrated how design, color, and fabric are used to make a fashion product. He had the participants develop their own designs and create a garment for the market. Wendell capped this by giving us a slide show presentation on how the landscape and architecture of Goa has inspired his fashions. He passionately asked overseas Goans to take an active part in saving Goan heritage and identity Architect Dean D’Cruz gave an outstanding workshop on environmental issues in Goa. He showed us slides of his architectural designs as examples of how beautiful designs a
Re: [Goanet] AKSHADA
2008/8/4 JoeGoaUk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I had heard or read about this little star many times. > > Today, I had a chance to attend her show at Kala Academy. > > Akshada, only 10 years old, received many awards including Bal Ratna, Big > FM's Big Goenkar etc etc > > Here she is .. > > Akshada goes Lorna > http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=mWRVf1ALVCk COMMENT: Indeed a talented little girl, her talent must be nurtured and taken to the next plane. In short Goa is far, far short, from being decimated, with such talent in our midst. Viva Goa, Viva Goenkar. -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London.
[Goanet] Goa Sudharop: New Board member
The management of Goa Sudharop is pleased to welcome Shekhar Ambe to its Board of Directors. We are honored by such an outstanding addition. Shekhar Ambe is an entrepreneur in Silicon valley, California working in the technology sector. He has over 20 years of experience and has played key leadership and management roles in high tech startup companies. Shekhar holds a bachelor's degree from Indian Institute of Technology, Mumbai, and a master's degree in Computer Science from Indian Institute of Technology, Chennai. He was born and brought up in Goa and spent his childhood and teenage years in Cuncolim, Goa. His father, Dinker Ambe, was a freedom fighter and fought for Goa’s Independence. Currently Shekhar lives in San Jose, California with his wife Gauri. He has a son and a daughter. He is keen in using his experience and skills for a social cause and would like to focus on education and health care related issues pertaining to Goan society. Goa Sudharop www.goasudharop.org
[Goanet] AKSHADA
I had heard or read about this little star many times. Today, I had a chance to attend her show at Kala Academy. Akshada, only 10 years old, received many awards including Bal Ratna, Big FM’s Big Goenkar etc etc Here she is .. Akshada goes Lorna http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=mWRVf1ALVCk Pics Akshada’s Charity Show http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk12/2732347071/sizes/l/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk12/2732347425/sizes/l/ With 22 rural Gill Students from Goa (Her father (2nd from right), Minister Jose Philip, MLA Silveira, MP Shripad etc also seen) http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk12/2733178494/sizes/l/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa & NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa __ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html
[Goanet] Party asks Narvekar to quit
http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=080517 Party asks Narvekar to quit NT NETWORK PANAJI — The All India Congress Committee general secretary in charge of Goa desk, Mr B K Hariprasad on Monday returned to the state with clear directives from the central authorities to ensure induction of Mr Atanasio Monserrate, the unattached Taleigao MLA, into the nearly 14-month cabinet headed by Mr Digambar Kamat. The sources in the party said that it was matter of time that Mr Monserrate was inducted in the cabinet, even as they said that the high command has given further time to Mr Dayanand Narvekar, the Finance Minister, to resign 'voluntarily' latest by Tuesday morning failing which the party leaders have informed him that it would be constrained to drop him from the cabinet. The sources further said that senior Congress leaders were making efforts to convince Mr Narvekar to resign and that this exercise continued till late in the night on Monday. The sources further said in view of fresh efforts, the swearing in of Mr Monserrate could take place on Tuesday, which would be the third reshuffle of the just under 14-month old cabinet headed by Mr Digambar Kamat. The sources said that the efforts of the party leaders to convince Mr Narvekar to resign were likely to succeed. They also said that the party has to be cautious in its pursuance of the matter in view of seniority of Mr Narvekar in the party. If Mr Narvekar is dropped, which at the moment appears imminent, than it would be second time in just under six months that a minister belonging to the Congress party has been removed to accommodate a non-Congress MLA in the cabinet. Soon after his arrival Mr Hariprasad held meetings with the Chief Minister, Mr Digambar Kamat, and the Goa Pradesh Congress Committee chief, Mr Francisco Sardinha, and some other cabinet ministers and discussed with them the latest situation. He is reported to have met other senior leaders of the party also. Earlier, during the briefing after the cabinet meeting, Mr Kamat told reporters that he has not received any directive from the party high command to either drop any one from his cabinet or to induct any one else in his place.
[Goanet] Southasian Cartoon Congress_call for entries
*Southasian Cartoon Congress Theme*: "Dramatic Divide: The distance between the powerful and the powerless." http://www.himalmag.com/new/showdailynews.php?news_id=27 venantius j pinto
Re: [Goanet] Young Jesuit Saints
Gilbert Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Any religion honoring individuals as 'saints' is no different from other > >scientific fields which honors those who made a major contribution to the > >particular field; or fundamentally inspired others; or shifted the line of > thinking leading to a paradigm shift in perspective. > The above equation of religion and science is absolutely wrongheaded. In no way is religion a scientific field nor is it in any way like a scientific field. Science does not revere any scientist as a saint, no matter how eminent. It simply recognizes his or her scientific contribution, and fully expects others to modify or improve upon it. For example, unlike a religious committee that recognizes a saint, a Nobel prize committee does not have to certify that a new science prize winner has performed two miracles. The contributions of scientists are supported by objective evidence. They do not rely on supernatural entities and mechanisms, and they can always be confirmed or falsified by others. If falsified, the natural explanations that were inferred from them have to be modified or replaced by better supported ones. This is not true of supernatural explanations and miracles, which are accepted entirely based on faith. As for the rest of the assertions made in the above quoted post, none of them make any sense in the context of either the issue of recognition of religious saints in general, or of young Jesuit saints in particular. The need to bring up personal idiosyncratic misconceptions about science and medicine in this unrelated thread is thoroughly inexplicable. Cheers, Santosh Gilbert Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Some of the perspectives may not stand the test of time. Yet, regard is > given to those > who dedicated their life for a cause. The fact that their > work may not > stand the test of time is not a discredit. It is amazing > how a few decades > later, the same thinking may come full circle, with the > work (and the > individual's fame) resurrected once again. > As in many scientific fields, as we "know more and > more about less and > less", we loose sight of the important issues. Led to > its logical > conclusion, one ends up "knowing everything about > nothing." > > In medicine, the issue is how does any information > presented practically > benefit CURRENT practice (patient care). Or is what is > being presented > 'basic scientific research', which at least > theoretically may be useful at a > later date? When listening to the history of medicine, we > are often feted > with useful anecdotes; which served as the catalysts for > stumbling on the > "right thing". Anything else is considered > "gossip" on some of the > fore-runners of the field, who are not around to defend > themselves. >
[Goanet] Public Accounting for Public Money
It would be interesting if a Goan tax payer asked for a public accounting of the finances of the Saldanha Convention that took place in Toronto recently in view of the fact that the NRI Commissioner handed over a cheque for 5000 Euros to the organizers. This is money generated from Goa tax payers (that includes 'bhailles' by the way) and it is my opinion that they would have a right to know where their money went. It does leave a funny feeling in the pit of one's stomach to think that Goan tax payers were asked to partly finance what was in effect a pointless gathering. One that was organized merely because a single individual (or a couple in this case) officially representing none but themselves, chose to take up the baton at the Portugal Convention. Gabe is right in asking on what basis it is decided to grant every next Goan Convention. Caution must be used in future to grant it to representative bodies of Goans. In retrospect, It would have been better to have accepted Mervyn Lobo's generous private offer to match what the NRI Commissioner was asked to grant. That way everyone could sleep a little better knowing some deserving Goan cause was not deprived. Having made this vinegar posting let me add a little Goan jaggery to it. All said and done kudos to the team for all the hard effort they had to put in. I am personally aware of the great sacrifices to sweat, time and money that was put in by Francis Rodrigues, Mervyn Lobo, Bosco D'Mello, their spouses and family. These are great Goans to have on one's side. -- Roland Francis Toronto +1 (416) 453.3371
[Goanet] Diary of a Goan Catholic nun... from Burkina Faso
From Sr. Margaret Correa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Read more entries on Moira-Net http://groups.google.com/group/moira-net " 1st July 2008: I am learning driving. The other three sisters of my community know to drive. Transport here is difficult. There are no buses & the taxis are expensive. At the moment I have to learn the driving code. Its tough for me as everything is in French. I am trying to use VISUAL MEMORY" And "16th July 2008: At the back of our house, there is a DOLOTERIE_ a bar where DOLO (local liquor made of maize) is sold. So we have constant noise & music. Diolo is cheap & served at every celebration & feast. Both men & women drink it. Infact our African sisters love it. I do not like it. It has a peculiar smell which I am not accustomed to yet. Its more than a year that I am here but I cannot get used to the africaan food either, especially the TO – a kind of paste made of maize flour. As for the sauce, made of all kinds of leaves & sometimes vegetables & dry fish , I find repugnant (curry) especially if lady fingers are added as it becomes slimy. Because of extreme poverty & famine, the poor were forced to use every edible leaf or root to make the sauce & now they like it cooked that way. And "27th July 2008: The news from some African countries continues to cause profound suffering and much concern, beginning with Somalia, especially in Mogadishu, where bitter armed conflicts are worsening the humanitarian crisis of this dear people, which for too many years has been oppressed by brutality and misery. In Darfur, despite a momentary glimmer of hope, remains a tragedy without end for hundreds of thousands of defenseless and abandoned persons. After the recent bombardments that struck and terrorized the capital city of Bujumbura and also affected the apostolic nunciature, and in the face of the threat of a new civil war,we need to pray that all the parties involved take up again without delay the way of dialogue and reconciliation. And 29th July 2008: Life goes on…..for me. Its nearly a year that I am in Burkina Faso & I have become one with the people.. Now I can express myself better in french. & I have picked up a few words & phrases in Diula. The people are simple & affectionate. & always smiling, even though life is so touch for them. Most can only afford one meal a day. They are a hospitable people but when I visit them all they can afford is some water in a calabasse (pumpkin shell). With the prices rising up, I cannot understand how they can survive. Milk costs Rs. 280/- per Kilo & that too of a very inferior quality – almost undrinkable. We sisters are using some milk which tastes so horrible; I prefer to have black coffee. Maise which is their staple diet costs Rs. 180/- per kilo, oil is Rs160/- per litre. I have converted the francs to Rs. so that you can understand. However their salaries & earnings continue to be low".
[Goanet] Support New Projects For Development : CM
-- Samir Umarye BICHOLIM AUG 4: The chief Minister, Digambar Kamat today urging all the people and the parties to carry out social development through politics announced that the work of the long pending Bicholim bridge would begin in a months time. The chief minister was speaking at the convention of the congress workers organised by the Bicholim lock congress committee and the Sattari Yuva Morcha at Bicholim today. The foundation stone of the Bicholim bridge, which is the only easier route that connects Bicholim and Sanquelim, was laid down an year ago by the congress and since then no work was carried out in this direction. The people and the MLA, Rajesh Patnekar had strongly protested against this move of the government and had demanded immediate starting of the work on the project. Speaking on the occasion Kamat lamented on the present scenario and told that people are opposing developmental projects for their personal interest. "No one has the right to stop someone or some project if it is legal and abides by the rules" Kamat told adding "the people have developed selfish mentality and this is the greatest hindrance towards development." Telling about the pending projects in Bicholim taluka the chief minister told that the projects would be taken up one by one and all the assurances would be fulfilled during his tenure. "The work of the Bicholim bridge would begin in a month" he assured the gathering "the demand of a kala Bhavan would also be met." He also urged all the congress workers and the supporters to work hard to make Bicholim stronghold of congress. The speaker, Pratapsingh Rane in his speech focused upon the Gonas who are trying to oppose every project in the state. "Development is the base of any country or state and so one must think before opposting any project" Rane told adding "Before opposing one should discuss the project with the government and even the governemnt should take into considerating the environmental aspect while sanctioning the project." "To oppose every project is wrong as it would only lead to unemployment in the state" Rane reminded "we should think about future generation and the youths should get united to oppose the moves of such people." The health minister, Vishwajeet Rane expressed his concern over the Bicholim Primary Health Centre and told that the efforts are being made to upgrade the same. Telling that the BJP was not able to bring about any progress in Bicholim he assured that in next four years they would fulfill all their promises given to the people. The Goa Pradesh Congress President, Francis Sardhin, Bicholim Block congress committee President, Naresh Sawal also spoke on the occasion. In the begining Vidya Parab welcomed the gathering while later Babanrao Rane proposed the vote of thanks.
[Goanet] Greatest Goan ever
My personal favourite for the title of Greatest Goan ever would be Abbe Faria with D. D. Kossambi coming a close second. Was just wondering which other Goans would really be serious contendors for the title. Can the Admin Team ask for nominations and have a poll? Cheers! Cecil ==
[Goanet] United in Division
"Division is our forte and that is one of the reasons ...we were under foreign rule for thousands of years and maybe still are!" "Division is our forte and that is one of the reasons " . this is time pass phrase may be used by every part of society in this world It is just like ..other commnity helps within community but our community..hey never.. We must do away with such phrases for our better life... Shrikant Vinayak Barve Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://in.messenger.yahoo.com/invite/
Re: [Goanet] Save Goa crusader Oscar quits GBA
Dear Rajan, Why do you have to persist in being malaprop: EPIPHANY is about revelation to Gentiles, I was born in a Christian family and raised as a Christian. Hence I am a non-gentile. I opposed the Youth For Goa or YFG after it was hijacked by Malisa Simoes [aka Soglich MALIS Astana] to sub-serve the BJP with the GSF turned BJP Youth Durgadas Kamath and the inimitable Shahana Nayak, both of them migrant neo-Goans, a tribe you routinely criticise unless they are rich. Where is the YFG today, Rajan Bhaiya?? I was as solidly with Soter D'Souza and the Goa People's Assembly [its abbreviation, GPA, mimics GBA almost as closely as Manohar-bab's, GDA, the short-lived Goa Democratic Alliance of July, 2007, that has let its first death anniversay pass without any memorial service while Babush is like a virgin ...on the VERGE but yet not IN the Digu-kaka cabinet.;-) ] Then you shifted the goal posts ...or you had hidden the goal posts earlier ... to reveal Dr. Anil DESA-i and other men-behind-the-curtains as Floriano Lobo revealed Dr. U.G. Barad and Mr. Srinvivas Kamat in his vote of thanks on behalf of the CITIZENS' INITIATIVE on the Goa University debate. Dr. Jayant Budkuley and Prof. Madhav S.Kamat [of Mauvin boot polishing team] also stand exposed. Floriano Lobo publicly apologised for his error in judgement. That is something you will NEVER be able to do in public. Speaking of GPA, whatever happened to Ms. Hema Sardesai's threat to go on a fast unto death? Was that another FAST one, too? It is a long time since 16 June, 2008 . One MONTH and 18 days to be exact. When is the farce ...oops...fast, going to begin. I hope she can do it BEFORE the monsoon session of the Goa Assembly begins on 18 August, 2008. A fast during SHRAVAN is also good. It makes one feel nice on the fourth day on Bhadrapada when one celebrates the lord of good times and peace, Ganesh, the son of Parvati and foster son of the great Shiv. I hope I have my Indian mythology correct this time. Please correct me if I am wrong. Of course, it is possible that Hema might not be practicing Hinduism after marriage to a "Battlo". She is one of us now. GOA ZAI? Singing is not enough. It is one thing to make presentations and speeches in the air-conditioned ambience of Hotel Mandovi, another to go on a hunger strike at Azad Maidan or Lohia Maidan. Which reminds me of a verse from Dr. ManoharRai Sardessai's poem dedicated to the Satyagraha of 18 June, 1946. "Kitle oxe aile ghele Otthra Jun! ... Ambea mullant kuddkuddtta Gavddeacho por ozun!" Since you so love to use French, I will place here the translation/rendition in French by Dr.Anuradha Wagle [Dept of French, Goa University], courtesy the book "My Song . Ma Chanson. O Meu Canto" [New Age Printers, Verna, Goa.Pages 180. Price Rs.250/-] "Depuis, ce jour est revenu tant de fois: Le 18 Juin! Mais aujourd'hui encore le pauvre petit garcon gavddi Sanglote sous le manguier" The book is available at Vasha Book Stall and St. Paul's Books in Panaji, if one wants to read Dr. ManoharRai's poems in English, French or Portuguese. Original Konkani poems are available separately from other publishers at Goa Konkani Academy, Patto, Panaji. Matanhy's anti-SEZ movement was openly linked to the BJP even during the Lok Sabha by-elections. It should be enough to enlighten you if you analyse why Manohar Parrikar lost his voice in the Goa Assembly on 25 March, 2008 and let the Goa TCP [Amendment] Act, 2008 pass UNOPPOSED changing Sections 16 and 16A of the Principal Act TCP Act, 1974. He claims the Govt gave only 48 hours notice of the Bill. Did he not read the Ordinance of the same title dated 29 February, 2008 and published in the Official Gazette of 05 March, 2008. If not, what sort of opposition party is the BJP? We will know what the BJP does about the promised PRIVATE MEMBER'S BILL to revoke the Goa TCP[Amendment] Act, 2008, in the upcoming session. The notice of the Bill should have gone by today as it needs 15 days notice ...and Private member's "Bills" will be taken up only on FRIDAYS 22 and 29 August, 2008 unless the Digamber Govt. decides to curtail the session as it did in January, 2008. Only 22 August is a sure date. The notice, with the DATE on the covering letter must reach the Legislature Department not later than 06 August, 2008 for that to happen. Mog asundi. Miguel Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 19:01:50 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rajan P. Parrikar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Goanet] Save Goa crusader Oscar quits GBA To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Miguel Braganza wrote: >There is no time to waste in these futile diversionary tactics >unleashed by the Establishment, we must remain focussed >If Goans take the diversion, they will miss the bridge and fall in the river. Oooh, look who's talkin' !! What's this, you just had a divine epiphany? For months on end, you took potshots at Matanhy et al duri
Re: [Goanet] Toronto Convention Music Seminar
Dirven Alexis is a typical spam name that one receives in the spam box of one's email address, mostly selling "penis enhancers" or "breast boosters" and products of that nature. Here are some others taken from my spam box today: Eddy Matins, Sanjuana Nora, Easter Mitchell, Bentley Abe, Der Elvin, Cecilius Hundt and the list goes on... I don't know why contrary to Goanet admin rules, such people with false names and addresses are allowed to post on Goanet. Obviously this is someone trying to push his agenda under a false identity. Roland. On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 6:30 PM, Dirven Alexis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I only managed to get up to Toronto from Kansas > late Fri nite, to see the tiatro and magnificent Ball. On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 6:30 PM, Dirven Alexis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I only managed to get up to Toronto from Kansas > late Fri nite, to see the tiatro and magnificent Ball.
[Goanet] Citizens Initiative organized debate.
(This is in reply to MIGuel Braganza's Message No: 3, dated Monday, 4 August 2008 on the subject as indicated in his message which is appended here below.) Dear Mr. MIGuel Braganza, Your question to me was - How much I contributed to the debate in CASH - and that Mr. Floriano Lobo did not answer this question for you, let me answer it to you and to Goanet. Other than contributing Rs. 50 (Rs 10 x 5 notes) in the box kept at the entrance of the hall I did not contribute anything more or anything less. Oh yes, I forgot to inform, Mr. Godfrey Gonsalves did sponsor Nescafe to me much before start of debate and that he travelled with me in my car back to Margao after the debate. Secondly, my speech on the occasion was the second public speech. My first ever public speech was on Margao ODP issue 3 days prior to the debate in question. This first ever speech was made by me because of the personal call and request from my doctor friends. I am presently running 54 and so far I have made only two public speeches. As written to you earlier, I maintain and repeat I never use public platforms for personal gains or to achieve personal hidden agenda as is your charge. Please check for yourself WHO AND WHICH GOANS USE public platforms for personal gains or for achieving personal hidden agenda. Your other charge against me is that I used Floriano as a "human shield" to disguise my agenda (I am not writing for S. Kamat as I don't even know him nor ever meet him). I repeat and I maintain that I don't need any such platforms for me. May be you use such platforms and such occasions for personal gains and that might be the reason that made you feel - every other person does the same thing:-) For your information Mr. Floriano and Dr. Dhume has been my friends since many years and we share our concerns for the welfare of Goa. Regarding other issues that you have raised in your message please obtain clarifications from Mr. Floriano. Hope you got the clarification on CASH contributed by me for the debate. You can still check with Mr. Floriano. Best regards, Dr. U. G. Barad Message: 3 Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 04:10:29 +0530 (IST) From: Miguel Braganza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet] Goanet] Prof. M.S. Kamat - Mauvin Godinho and 'Pursuing People's Dreams" To: Goanet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Dear Dr. Barad, Please do tell us how much you contributed to the debate in CASH. Your oral contribution at the debate, I have heard in person. It was impossible to know "each and every thing about the debate, including the sponsors before you could accept the MC position". All that was known to me was that CI was organising it, Floriano would not pop in goa SuRaj Party, Prof.[?] Madhav S.Kamat would be the Moderator, Sebastian Rodrigues would lead the FOR team [if more persons turned up to speak] and Dr. Jayant Budkuley would speak against [with anyone else who cared to join him] Floriano emailed the rules to me on the day of the debate. You gave me a slip of paper with your name and a note saying you are with Dr. Budkuley. Then I got one from Dr. Aureliano Fernandes. Principal Newman Fernandes and Dr. A.V. Afonso asked if it was essential to take sides FOR or AGAINST. I asked Floriano and Prof MS Kamat if they could speak. Prof. MS Kamat said they could speak last. Dr. Ajit Shirodkar joijed the neutral list. Then I got the slips from Adv. Jatin Naik and Dr. Buqui D.Desai followed by Dr. Rafael Fernandes.When everyone was seated on top, Prof. MS Kamat sprang a surprise by inviting Dr. Narayan Desai to assist him as Asst. Moderator. Floriano, Dr.N. Desai and I did not know of this arrangement. One thing was obvious from the arrangement on the stage, it was the Hindu Saraswat Brahmins versus the Rest debate. The Goa University was only incidental to most speakers in the debate. Perhaps the reason for the debate was expressed best after the debate by Dr.Budkuley to Godfrey Gonsalves ...it was about Dr. P.Shivkumar's re-employment as Professor of CLAS by the VC. You can see it in Godfrey's "sidelights" below the report. It was impossible to know "each and every thing about the debate". Colleges were invited to send their representative to debate the issue. There were no responses. No one represented any college finally. I did not know you and S.Kamat had used Floriano as a "human shield" to disguise your agenda. I thought he was tilting at the GU windmills and willingly agreed to play Sancho Panza. There is nothing about GBA in this, so do not bring a "Proud to be Saraswat" [as posted on Goanet a few months ago] GPA campaigner into the issue. The caste divide was bad enough on the stage during the debate, to need being dragged here again. When agrees to be the MC at the wedding, one does not want to know who will pay the bill of the caterer. All one needs to know is that
Re: [Goanet] [GOAN-NRI] Talking Photo: Please identify this fruits/tree
passion fruit. tip: usually good to make a squash to have like a juice On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 JoeGoaUk wrote : >Talking Photo: Please identify this fruits/tree >http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk1/2716164131/sizes/l/ > >Clue: >-When ripped, it turns yellow >-It has Mango shape >-Taste sweet & sour >-It's seed almost half the size of the fruit > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >for Goa & NRI related info... >http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ > >For Goan Video Clips >http://youtube.com/joeukgoa > > > __ >Not happy with your email address?. >Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at >Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html
[Goanet] Quiz Time
Guess the name and win talleo's !! A goanetter put another netters name in Caps... only the first 3 letters of his name and surname. Guess the Goanetter? and send me the answers. Clue: The poster was at CI (Menezes Braganza Hall) for the debate on GU v/s CU moving around with a measuring tape hAVE a nICE dAY Seb PS: Yesterday's Quiz got 7 answers RIGHT ! Nil Wrong.. Sorry cannot disclose here, unless the posters want to post direct on Goanet!
[Goanet] United in division
Soter writes: >Did GBA have this leadership is the question? or Was GBA's leadership a >>cultivation of the media and power brokers? No one in the history of Goa's freedom movement had made a minister resign, by giving a direct ultimatum to a government in action. None of the farts who call Oscar a fraud, or promise a hunger strike unto death can even come close to that. In fact, knowing that a lot can be achieved, an army of wannabe save Goa guys have now come forth to get the media glare. But history will note that it was the GBA which gave the first strike, and showed that it is possible to shake the mighty. Whatever happened to the GPA ? I know Sabina Martins from my college days. None of the NRIs or those who suck up to Uncle Sam can even come close to the commitment of this woman. Same with Patricia Pinto. The nice thing about the GBA is that it works on consensus. As such, there is bound to be conflict. It is time to give responses to the Regional Plan document. Is anyone willing to plunge into the document and study it and give appropriate responses or will we only get into a downward spiral and destroy Goa? regards, Samir
Re: [Goanet] United in Division
Yea, who is this magnificient PARAGON, dear Soter; why do you keep him hidden under a bushel? Or, is it selfishness that others than you may benefit from his mentoration? Come on now, bring the master guruji out & allow us to touch at least the hems of, if he wears any Alfred, ever a most willing disciple... > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: goanet@lists.goanet.org> Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 > 13:53:11 +0200> Subject: Re: [Goanet] United in Division> > Hi! Soter,> > Who > is this activist you have mentioned in your mail.?> Would like to know about > this guy if you don't mind.> > -Yogesh> > A youth activist of jayprakash > narayan also came to Goa in 1981and seeing> the pathetic conditions of the > poor in the villages decided to adopt this> place as his work area and > contribute his vast experience in building> people's initatiatives for > sustainable development. As usual he was called> a 'bhailo', 'smuggler', > 'Bihari', and so on and so forth, by the very people> who pretended to be > supporting him. He travelled to the remotest areas of> Goa building local > initiatives but some where the local politician or the> chamchas would come > in to disperse the group pointing out that he is the> outsider. But he has > not left Goa, married a goan and keeps working with> whoever has the best of > interest for Goa. He is even very much supportive of> the idea that goans > must become possesive of their lands and natural> resources. The organisation > he has set up is probably the only goan> organisation that has spread to 7 > States of this country. But he has not> given up hope on Goa in all this. He > contibutes giving hope to amateur> activists like me. He is there when it > matters, that is what is important.> That's the beauty of a leader. Did GBA > have this leadership is the question?> or Was GBA's leadership a cultivation > of the media and power brokers?> > -soter> > _ Explore the seven wonders of the world http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=7+wonders+world&mkt=en-US&form=QBRE
[Goanet] Non metro airports face crisis
1. [Samir Kelekar] The crossing of the Dabolim runway by people and vehicles is due to the Naval premises on either side. There seem to be two such points. If one of them is given up then the apron for aircraft parking can be increased and congestion over the air reduced. 2. There is the rule against airports coming up within 150 km of the new one. This airport would run up against it. Unless the interpretation is that the rule stops at the state boundary. The same thing applies to Dabolim and the rumoured airport at Sindhudurg in Maharashtra. All this has to be clarified by the Goa government which is pre-occupied by everything else other than the state's long term future. People also are least bothered even to discuss (only argue).
Re: [Goanet] Toronto Convention Music Seminar
Hi Dirven Alexis Regret I was not present at the "Convention's Music Seminar" that you referred to and I don't think I was aware of an event under this specific title at the Goan Convention, Toronto. However, I did attend the outstandingly good 'keynote' presentation on Goan music by Francis Rodrigues, the President of GNAT. I found it very absorbing and informative. Although I had met Francis just once when he was passing through London, I was not aware that he was a musicologist among many other things in his wide repertoire of interests. Indeed, I look forward to obtaining his forthcoming book on Goan music that he informed me about. There must be much music in his family too as his young son (regret I can't recall his name) performed with much versatility on the piano at the evening opening reception at the Convention. I had to miss the tiatro, Goan idol and mando presentations so that I could attend an old Punjabi friend's son's wedding celebration, in a rather distant place by taxi from Mississauga, called Maple. My long-time Kenyan friend would have found it difficult to forgive me if he had discovered that I had been in Toronto but did not attend his son's lavish wedding! However, I did attend the Convention Ball that was packed out and very well organised by Clara Rodrigues and her team. I also managed to meet some (additional) Goanetters there who were just names previously. But having crossed the 'pond', I would have loved to meet several others, particularly from North America in this instance. Cornel DaCosta, London, UK. --- Dirven Alexis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I only managed to get up to Toronto from Kansas > late Fri nite, to see the tiatro and magnificent > Ball. > Does anybody have any info on the Convention's Music > Seminar? There were all sorts of rumours swirling > about something quite extraordinary having taken place there. > The final Presentation was apparently packed - could > any netters enlighten me on this Music seminar - I think Cornel, Rene were mentioned as having attended. Zulema (Souza?) and Portugal's Virginia were quite fulsome in their praise!
[Goanet] Dr Ashutosh Prabhu Desai on Sex Education on 4th August, Monday 2008.
Dr Ashutosh Prabhu Desai Transcript of LIVE CHAT with Consultant Psychiatrist Dr Ashutosh Prabhu Desai on Sex Education on 4th August, Monday 2008. It is very difficult to change a man completely Dr Ashutosh Prabhu Desai Consultant Psychiatrist dr_ashutosh > Divorces are decided in childhood fgfgf > How can Marital Therapy can cure problems in a relationship that existed in the relation much before it started??? dr_ashutosh > Marital therapy helps the partners to re look at issues and develop new insights into one's own and partners behavior .Hence they can both make suitable adjustments in their ways of treating each other or others and cope with their pre existing problems .Problems exist in all relationship it is how we adjust to them that is what the therapy facilitates kapil > What is Marital therapy for depression.. My wife is a patient of depression since she lost her parents...we have a 2 yrs old daughter .. Do you think this disease is a genetic ? will my daughter also have this problem??? dr_ashutosh > For depression marital therapy may not be needed unless marital issues are adding to the depression. If the problem is solely one of depression it is better to do Cognitive behavior therapy rather than marital therapy. Here again persons thinking, emotions and actions are analyzed and the person is helped how to develop healthy ways of thinking, feeling and acting In your wife's case the loss of her parents may have triggered the depression .Depression does have a genetic contribution to it but not all depressions are due to genetic factors they can be due to situational or hormonal reasons too. You need not worry that your child will also have depression. Full chat is available at link given below http://chat.indiatimes.com/articleshow/3324288.cms Dr. Ashutosh Prabhudesai has also confirmed to give his time on 20 Aug for 150 secondery school teachers of Goa at Mustifund High School for our Program on SELF EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES IN SPORTS Shrikant Vinayak Barve Convener: The Right Move II-Career in Sports 9403175973 Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now, on http://help.yahoo.com/l/in/yahoo/mail/yahoomail/tools/tools-08.html/
Re: [Goanet] United in Division
Hi! Soter, Who is this activist you have mentioned in your mail.? Would like to know about this guy if you don't mind. -Yogesh A youth activist of jayprakash narayan also came to Goa in 1981and seeing the pathetic conditions of the poor in the villages decided to adopt this place as his work area and contribute his vast experience in building people's initatiatives for sustainable development. As usual he was called a 'bhailo', 'smuggler', 'Bihari', and so on and so forth, by the very people who pretended to be supporting him. He travelled to the remotest areas of Goa building local initiatives but some where the local politician or the chamchas would come in to disperse the group pointing out that he is the outsider. But he has not left Goa, married a goan and keeps working with whoever has the best of interest for Goa. He is even very much supportive of the idea that goans must become possesive of their lands and natural resources. The organisation he has set up is probably the only goan organisation that has spread to 7 States of this country. But he has not given up hope on Goa in all this. He contibutes giving hope to amateur activists like me. He is there when it matters, that is what is important. That's the beauty of a leader. Did GBA have this leadership is the question? or Was GBA's leadership a cultivation of the media and power brokers? -soter
Re: [Goanet] PIO or OCI - which is better?
2008/8/4 JoeGoaUk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > see pics > http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk8/658550483/sizes/l/ > > All they put on your foreign passport is the Life Long Visa Sticker. > see pic > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] RESPONSE: Thank you for that, Jose Caitan Fernandes. -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London.
[Goanet] Mopa corruption
I dont mean to support corruption in the Mopa airport case. One needs to find out if proper procedure is followed in land acquistion, if there is hanky-panky in the rates or favouring one person or the other, who will be given the contract to develop the airport and at what costs, how much land is acquired --- is it disproportionate etc, whether environmental clearance are obtained following proper procedures etc. We would want a real and cost effective airport soon, and not a white elephant like many of these other projects. regards, Samir
[Goanet] FW: OCi or PIO
Can Goanet publish this article so as to get feed back from our Goanetters who face this problem when they have OCI on their foreign passports. It seems there are people who travelled with OCI on their foreign passports and were not allowed entry unless they obtained VISA to enter.Inspite of having passports of countries like US,Canada,Australia,Portugal(EU).they were not allowed entry and were told to obtain VISA like any other Indian citizen. Publishing of this article will be much appreciated. Rgds Cesar Dear all,Would some of the Goanetters be in a position to put some light on which of the two options is better to retain Indian citizenship?Is it by obtaining PIO or by acquiring OCI ?It has been noticed that PIO is a card issued by the Govt. of India to Indians who obtain foreign passport. It is a card and does not show anything on the new passport whether one has a PIO or not.Regarding OCI it is a sticker fixed on the foreign passport and also a card given to the holder. Thus the new foreign passport shows that one is also an Indian citizen in lieu of having the sticker on the passportIt is said that some people are facing problems when they travel to few countries with OCI sticker on their passports. The emigration officers at the emigration counters insist on obtaining VISA to enter since they say that even if you hold a passport of a countrywhich is exempted of visa to enter you have to obtain entry VISA since you are also Indian citizen ( in lieu of having OCI sticker on the foreign passport). Could anyone clarify how far this is true and if there are problems then why not request the Govt of India not to put a sticker on the foreign passport which one holds and only to issue a OCI card. cesar Movies, sports & news! Get your daily entertainment fix, only on live.com Try it now! _ Searching for the best deals on travel? Visit MSN Travel. http://msn.coxandkings.co.in/cnk/cnk.do
Re: [Goanet] Goanet TOP 10 for July (2008)
2008/8/4 JoeGoaUk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Following are the Top 10 posters on Goanet for July > 2008 > > 1. Joegoauk 80 > 2. FN 69 > 3. Floriano/Suraj 53 > 4. Gabe 47 > 5. Mario 46 > 6. Carvalho 45 > 6. Ruby 45 > 7. Francis Haiku 38 > 8. EduWorld 37 > 9. Kelekar 35 > 9. Avelino 35 > 10. UG Barad 34 > > 11. Miguel 32 > > Note: There are two ladies in top 10 i.e. No.6 abv > > Previous months... TOPs > > June 2008 COMMENT: To be fair I am at # 4 only because of my many cut/copy and paste jobs; Carvalho has posted many times more than me. Also Ruby cannot be compared in the same breath as Carvalho, as she is a 'send link artist'. I don't think she even reads posts on Goanet, else she would not be prone to duplication. -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London.
[Goanet] Non metro airports face crisis
>MOPA airport to be another white elephant like the SKY BUS. >It only goes to confirm that all projects are undertaken by hook or by >crook >for looting the "Aam admi". Read ahead >>http://news.in.msn.com/business/article.aspx?cp-documentid=1605027 The inflation and huge rise in air fares is a recent phenomena. Before that happened, there used to be 7 flights from Bangalore alone to Goa every day, and all of them would be full. There is just one landing strip in Dabolim, and the same strip has to be crossed by planes for parking. Incidently, even there is a road passing through that strip, and cars and bikes also cross that strip between landings of two planes. :-) I have witnessed even a 45 minutes wait before getting parking for the plane. There is no doubt that Goa needs more airport space. Mopa is not a bad idea I feel. I dont think we should worry about tourists going to Maharashtra. It would be a win-win situation I feel, and would force Goan hotels to give better service. Tomorrow, we could lure Sawantwadi to come into Goa that way! Do you know that a city called Hosur which is in Tamil Nadu is much closer to Electronic City of Bangalore IT corridor than the current airport is ? Jayalalitha had grand plans to develop Hosur into an IT city, but she lost the elections. If a good airport comes in Hosur, no one from Electronics City would want to go to the new Bangalore airport, which is about 3 hours minimum from there. Hosur is just half an hour from Electronic city. The modern world is about giving better services to all and winning, not about fighting narrow-minded battles. regards, Samir
[Goanet] TCA chess activity centre will remain open till 9.00pm
Press release This is for the information of Chess lovers that Chess Activity Centre at Taleigao Chess Academy for adults will remain open from 5.30pm to 9.00pm on weekdays (Monday to Friday). Timing for children will remain the same that is 9.30 to 12.00 and 3.00pm to 7.00pm. We hold regular monthly tournament for children. We will shortly start regular weekly tournaments on saturdays for adults. For more information you may contact Secretary : Taleigao Chess Academy, Dynasty Manor, Odlembhat, Taleigao-Goa,. Phone : 2451143. Sanjay Vinayak Barve (Secretary)
[Goanet] PIO or OCI - which is better?
see pics http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk8/658550483/sizes/l/ All they put on your foreign passport is the Life Long Visa Sticker. see pic [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa & NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa __ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html
[Goanet] What the younger generation of Goans is capable of
Samir, I have Ideas and few of them I put in practice Currently working on "Self employment opportunities in Sports". This will go till at least Jan 26 2009. Taleigao Chess Academy & International Centre Goa are happy to inform you that we have successfully completed our third program on the above topic. First one was held on July 10 at International Centre Goa. Goa Olympic Association President Shri Subhash Shirodkar, dignitaries from other associations took part in that seminar. Writers meet on sport was held on July 24 at GUJ hall, Patto. Adv. Satish Sonak, Principle of Home Science Mrs. Rajal Shinkre, Adv. Deepa Singbal, Mahaprastha JCI President Shveta Usapkar, Dr. T.S. Dey from Khandola Govt. College and other 20 writers took part in the discussion. Similar meet was held at Margoa on Sunday August 3 2008. Fatorda MLA Shri Damodar Naik, Rotary Margao President Shri J.B. Sardesai, Pradeep Kulkarni were amoung 25 who participated in this discussion. We will be holding similar meets in other parts of Goa in next 3 months. Our main idea is to make Sports Associations in Goa active, in turn it will create employment opportunities for creative sports enthusiast and he can live with his passion. We are working on preparing WHO’S WHO in SPORTS GOA. It will be published in ‘THE RIGHT MOVE II’ to be released on Republic Day 26th January 2009. (The Right Move based on articles on Chess and Education was published on 26/01/08). Taleigao Chess Academy & International Centre Goa in association of Mustifund High School Panaji is organizing one full day workshop for secondary teachers on Wednesday August 20, 2008. Topic : Career in sports-Self employment opportunities in Sports. Taleigao Chess Academy & International Centre Goa in association with other organization will be organizing 2 day workshop for Parents of prominent sport talent from Goa at Home science college, Campal in last week of September on “Importance of Nutrition in sport”. As also for writer in Oct 08 at International Centre Goa I require volunteers for this work. Shrikant Vinayak Barve Convener: The Right Move II-Career in Sports 9403175973 "Live life with your passion for good health of our Nation" Be the first one to try the new Messenger 9 Beta! Go to http://in.messenger.yahoo.com/win/
[Goanet] United in Division
Ms. Anita Mathew wrote: "Division is our forte and that is one of the reasons we were under foreign rule for thousands of years and maybe still are!" Perhaps she has not yet understood Goa after working here. If division was the forte of Goa, we definitely would not have won the historic Opinion Poll, Official status for konkanni (although one community was ditched in the bargain), Statehood, anti-nylon 66, anti-RP2011 and so many struggles by small people that never get sung because they are not in the interest of the elitist exploiters. Division has been there even during the times of Jesus Christ. He was betrayed by one of his twelve and crucified. So, what is so great about division? Prophets were never accepted. It existed even in the Indian independence struggle and the Goan liberation struggle. It was there in the anti-emergency struggle against Indira Gandhi. Which State in this country does not have divisions? The greatness of a leader lies in how he manoeuvres around these limitations and keeps the flame alive. A youth activist of jayprakash narayan also came to Goa in 1981and seeing the pathetic conditions of the poor in the villages decided to adopt this place as his work area and contribute his vast experience in building people's initatiatives for sustainable development. As usual he was called a 'bhailo', 'smuggler', 'Bihari', and so on and so forth, by the very people who pretended to be supporting him. He travelled to the remotest areas of Goa building local initiatives but some where the local politician or the chamchas would come in to disperse the group pointing out that he is the outsider. But he has not left Goa, married a goan and keeps working with whoever has the best of interest for Goa. He is even very much supportive of the idea that goans must become possesive of their lands and natural resources. The organisation he has set up is probably the only goan organisation that has spread to 7 States of this country. But he has not given up hope on Goa in all this. He contibutes giving hope to amateur activists like me. He is there when it matters, that is what is important. That's the beauty of a leader. Did GBA have this leadership is the question? or Was GBA's leadership a cultivation of the media and power brokers? -soter
[Goanet] Goanet TOP 10 for July (2008)
Following are the Top 10 posters on Goanet for July 2008 1. Joegoauk 80 2. FN 69 3. Floriano/Suraj 53 4. Gabe 47 5. Mario 46 6. Carvalho 45 6. Ruby 45 7. Francis Haiku 38 8. EduWorld 37 9. Kelekar 35 9. Avelino 35 10. UG Barad 34 11. Miguel 32 Note: There are two ladies in top 10 i.e. No.6 abv Previous months... TOPs June 2008 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-July/076690.html May http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-June/075353.html April http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-May/073617.html [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa & NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa __ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html
[Goanet] Non-metro airports face crisis
MOPA airport to be another white elephant like the SKY BUS. It only goes to confirm that all projects are undertaken by hook or by crook for looting the "Aam admi". Read ahead http://news.in.msn.com/business/article.aspx?cp-documentid=1605027 Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão. _ Searching for the best deals on travel? Visit MSN Travel. http://msn.coxandkings.co.in/cnk/cnk.do
[Goanet] Crux of the Matter (Editorial, The Navhind Times)
http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=080426 Crux of the Matter EDITORIAL Dr Oscar Rebello's resignation as the convener of the Goa Bachao Abhiyan (GBA) has shocked all quarters, as he had through the mass movement that built up around him for the scrapping of the earlier Regional Plan emerged as a rare leader in Goa's recent history. He had: professional excellence, simplicity, pleasing personality, objectivity, broadmindedness, public zeal, impeccable integrity and political ideology without any electoral interest. These are qualities we all know are missing in politicians in or out of government; but unfortunately they are missing in most of non-government politicians who go by the name of NGO activists and social workers too. Impeccable integrity of course is becoming rarer and rarer among 'social workers' many of whom are discovering newer and newer ways of making money by making noise. But even the few 'social workers' who have not joined the activist-extortionist bandwagon would be lacking in other qualities Dr Rebello has -- for instance, objectivity and broadmindedness. But then, GBA was a heterogeneous organisation without a definite political agenda and a loose umbrella of groups and individuals of various kinds. It is shocking to hear that Dr Rebello was a victim of nasty email purportedly because he would not follow the line of certain groups and individuals. We live in a democratic set-up and everyone has a right to express his or her idea. But at the same time democracy moves on by resolving the issues. The issues the GBA raised -- change of land use, land grabbing by developers, destruction of ecology and protecting Goan identity -- were fundamental to the future of Goa. GBA had come to occupy a position where people looked up to it for vision and guidance on what was good and what was bad for Goa. Unfortunately, the vision was missing, and so was guidance. To say that 'let people decide' is easier in theory. 'People' are not angels. We have seen how 'people' have taken bribes to elect 'representatives' to state Assembly and local bodies. We have seen that gram sabhas are not always inspired by public interest. It is wrong on the part of any group or individual to 'theoretically devolve' all powers to the 'people' and 'practically allow' grassroot modules of apex-level corruption grow. Who will decide if one village wants a bridge and the other village does not want it, though public interest of the state demands that the two villages be connected by a bridge? Which of the two 'peoples' we would side with: the 'people' supporting the project or the 'people' opposing it? It is for mediation of contrary interests that a government exists. The GBA succeeded in forcing the government to denotify Regional Plan 2011, which had seen changes made without public knowledge. Now we are trying to formulate Regional Plan 2021. It is the responsibility of the GBA that is represented on the Task Force to ensure that a transparent, non-destructive, sustainable and inclusive Plan is in place. It is unfortunate that some groups and individuals have been pursuing their own agendas and asking gram sabhas to adopt a 'selective' development policy: for instance in mega housing projects. The crux of the matter is Goa needs to move forward. We cannot wait for all the engines of 'development' to stop and then wake up in alarm. Thousands of Goan boys and girls are migrating to other states because there are no jobs here. Many of them may never come back. The government is committed to approve only non-polluting industries, like IT, biotech, food processing, etc. As far as housing is concerned, we need to examine objectively who constitutes the majority of the market for builders: Goans or outsiders. We can make a housing policy on the basis of needs and the laws of the land and implement it.
[Goanet] What the younger generation of Goans is capable of
While we see a lot of whining, complaining on goanet, here is what is happening in Bangalore. Register on orkut.com and see this group called Goans in Bangalore. There are 780 of them right now in there most working for one company or the other in Bangalore. They are all Goans --- guys and girls in their early twenties to late twenties out in the real world enjoying their lives as also making good money working in professions which dont destroy the environment. This is the power of Goans. Can we not get that power to Goa ? We need ideas and concrete steps on the above. Someone mentioned why complain against NRIs. NRIs have seen a new world, but increasingly I see that when it comes to looking at other Goans, they still have that frog-in-the-pond mentality. Tell me --- how many NRIs have tried to replicate what they saw abroad in Goa --- how about starting new industries in Goa, or inviting their employers abroad to start a division in Goa? Instead, we see crumbs thrown at Goans in the name of charity and a highly patronizing attitude. regards, Samir
Re: [Goanet] PIO or OCI - which is better?
Dear All, I am a citizen of New Zealand and have acquired the OCI documents from the Indian High Commission in Wellington. The following are detail of the documentation: 1. The visa of overseas citizen of India stamped in my New Zealand passport contains the following information: a.. Date of issue b.. Validity - Reads Lifelong c.. Number of entries: Reads Multiple d.. New Zealand passport number e.. OSI number: This is the number that corresponds to the Indian passport like document also provided along with the visa f.. Place of issue g.. The stamp also has my photograph 2. The OSI Indian passport like document also provided by the Indian High Commission along with the visa is just like an Indian passport except that it does not contain visa pages. The first page contains your personal details and the last page contains my address in New Zealand, my New Zealand passport number, date and place of issue. I am told both documents entitles my to be a bonified overseas Indian national with all rights in India except to vote or hold government office. Please do let me know if you need any more info. Kind regards Ivo D'Silva - Original Message - From: Yvette Rozario To: Adrian_Clemy ; Ivo & Shelly D'Silva Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 4:00 PM Subject: PIO or OCI - which is better? For your information. Love, Yvette Message: 8 Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 00:25:50 +0530 From: cesar pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet] FW: OCi or PIO To: Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dear all, Would some of the Goanetters be in a position to put some light on which of the two options is better to retain Indian citizenship? Is it by obtaining PIO or by acquiring OCI ? It has been noticed that PIO is a card issued by the Govt. of India to Indians who obtain foreign passport. It is a card and does not show anything on the new passport whether one has a PIO or not. Regarding OCI it is a sticker fixed on the foreign passport and also a card given to the holder. Thus the new foreign passport shows that one is also an Indian citizen in lieu of having the sticker on the passport It is said that some people are facing problems when they travel to few countries with OCI sticker on their passports. The emigration officers at the emigration counters insist on obtaining VISA to enter since they say that even if you hold a passport of a country which is exempted of visa to enter you have to obtain entry VISA since you are also Indian citizen ( in lieu of having OCI sticker on the foreign passport). Could anyone clarify how far this is true and if there are problems then why not request the Govt of India not to put a sticker on the foreign passport which one holds and only to issue a OCI card. cesar Yvette Rozario -- Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now
Re: [Goanet] Save Goa crusader Oscar quits GBA
To Goanet - Miguel Braganza wrote: >There is no time to waste in these futile diversionary tactics >unleashed by the Establishment, we must remain focussed . . . >If Goans take the diversion, they will miss the bridge and fall in the river. Oooh, look who's talkin' !! What's this, you just had a divine epiphany? For months on end, you took potshots at Matanhy et al during the SEZ movement. You raised a stink about Malisa Simoes and her youth group. In June, when we tried to bring diverse people together on a common platform under Goa's People's Assembly, you cried foul. And now suddenly you want everyone to "remain focussed"? Now you suddenly discover the virtues of T.E.A.M.? Have you had a makeover of your soul or what? Warm regards, r
[Goanet] Public Face business
Marshall Mendonza wrote: Was Rajan a man ahead of his times or one of the > >campaigners who initiated the insidious campaign > >against Dr Oscar Rebello which has taken a toll on > >one of the best public faces who galvanised the > >people of Goa against corruption? Will Mr. mendonza spell out the great qualities of leadership that this best of public faces he talks about had to galvanise the people of Goa? I have been there since the inception of GBA and would be keen as an activist to emulate these qualities of leadership, if any. Was it really the public face alone that galvanised the people of Goa? Is it the case that good orators and good public faces are enough for good leadership of a movement? We would like to learn about all this face business in people's movements. Doctors who do not take preventive measures against a deadly virus called 'Bamonistestis Intelligentis Manipulares' that originates from the so potrayed intelligencia capital of south Goa are bound to succumb to it sooner or later. More about this virus later. -soter d'souza
[Goanet] Amboli Falls
Amboli Falls Yesterday, we visited the amboli Ghats/falls about 2.5 hrs drive from Panjim (about 100kms). Many tourists seen, majority of them were Goans. Beautiful view from the top. The road/area appears foggy/misty (often poor visibility) as it at the higher point on the Aboli Ghats/mountain. We enjoyed the trip. 1+9 seater Qualis/jeep from Panjim Rs.1800. On our way back we enjoyed fish curry rice with big fresh 'banglo' Rs.60. With Tisrio, Chapatis etc. Normal rice plate Rs.45 with large fresh 'dodyaro'. That's in Sawantwadi. Beer Rs.70, Royal Stag Rs.100/qtr If you are driving to Belgaum, Kolhapur, Pune etc you find this Aboli ghatt and the falls on the way. Besides the main falls, there are plenty other falls too (as can be seen in the pics and video), looks very beautiful Check this out... Amboli Falls - Video http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=XEj7-YL9ci0 Pics: http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukindia/2729677040/sizes/l/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukindia/2728848599/sizes/l/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukindia/2728853357/sizes/l/ Smoky/Foggy http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukindia/2728850425/sizes/l/ amboli Residents http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukindia/2729685894/sizes/l/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa & NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa __ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html
[Goanet] Aitaracheo Katkutleo: 'Sorry! No Parking Zone'_translated into English
Hey people, A translation of Lino Durado's, 'Sorry! No Parking Zone.' The original in Koknani is at the bottom. Lino, Good short story -- where you bring various threads together. Interesting narrative structure. I had a good time doing thing. Excuse any errors - if so then very minor for sure. venantius j pinto _ From: lino dourado <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet] Aitaracheo Katkutleo: 'Sorry! No Parking Zone' Sorry! No Parking Zone. As Lapit's wife got readied herself to sleep, she felt like needling her husband who was reading the paper, sitting on the chair beside the bed -- like the strike of a bee. Considering the possibility that he may have missed reading even a portion of the days news in the Navind Times; Lapit was not yet bound for bed, until he had accomplished just that. Although it could just be a minor bit of news in the daily, Lapit's wife upon spicing it (the news) with ginger and garlic -- would set Lapit's forehead afire. Yesterday, you were telling me, our singer and musician Remo-bab, on account of having left his Hyundai Gezt in the No Parking Zone at Dabolim airport, underwent a lot of stress and besides would have to pay up a fine. But having paid a paltry fine of a hundred ruppees, a photo of him flashing the V sign (victory) alongside his Hyundai has been published in today's daily. However, its a shameful act that a highly educated and internationally famous musician is playing with people's minds as well as disturbing their equilibrium. But he did make known his difficulty to the CISF (Central Industrial Security Force), said Lapit's wife, taking Remo's side. However great(famous) a person made be. the law (regulations) applies equally to all. This time around on account of his being a celebrated "pop star" if he was to be simply let off, then tomorrow hardened "bomb blast stars (bombast stars/ bombastic stars) in order to explode bombs-- would likewise leave their vehicles in the no parking zone. Then innocent lives of people will have been lost. Even I do not wish anyone's life be lost. But, our Remo-bab's clarification to the to airport security personnel fell on deaf ears -- even though he had introduced himself. Instead of Remo, if there was a Goa-looter, a Minster -- a thief-ingrate; upon seeing the red-light on the car, security, after saluting (salaaming) and without any check would have cleared him, said Lapit's wife speaking of the ways of government. Just the other day after the back to back bomb blasts in Bangalore and Ahmedabad, it has been ordered that security be increased in important places in India and particularly at airports, and this applies to Goa too. Whether be it Remo or some other named celebrity, it behooves that they follow security precautions, and set a good example to others. In the stress of the moment -- it being almost time for the Jet Airways flight to takeoff for Mumbai, he mistakenly parked his car for a few seconds in the No Parking Zone, when the CISF chiefs phoned the BDS (Bomb Disposal Squad). And say what you will, but they there was no bomb detecting equipment. And consider what would the BDS do, by going to places where real bombs had been placed? Having thought this out, in the future I have decided against going to public places. Enough, enough, this is way too much coming from you. The manner of your speaking makes you sound like a VVIP (Very, Very Important Person). Perhaps I am no one (of importance) to the gvernment or to the publc. But to my husband and children I am a true VIP housekeper and mother. Many innocent people lost their lives in teh bomb blasts in Banglore and Ahmedabad. In their lives there must have been someone to whom they were loving VIPs. Only after Remo-bab introduced himself to airport security who ignored him, did he leave his motor car right there and went to attend to his important affairs in Mumbai. Although Remo was not given favorable consideration, the Hyundai was thoroughly inspected and taken to the police station in Vasco by the police; where it remained safe. After all this hullaballo, in the end who to blame. And listen to this too. sinec it was his car, and on account of him having landed in trouble, which loose-mouthed politician did Remo call asking for help. Its time, the eyes of the Goa government opened. So how is that? Presumably there was a black bag on the back seat in the car. The airport security regarding that it could possibly be immediattely phoned he BDS. Not having bomb disposal equipment but after harnessing some other useless and outdated equipment from Panjim, it took the BDS two hours to get to the airport. If there were real terrorists bent on creating a cloud of terror anywhere in Goa by exploding bombs -- then what would the BDS do, one wonders. Will the Goa goverment at least wake up now and insure the safety of Goans lives? Now will you stop it or will this CD play all night, said Lapit having set the paper on the
Re: [Goanet] Overseas Goans Are "Null and Void"
2008/8/2 Roland Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > A message to the Goans in Goa, if you didn't already know. > > Diaspora Goans are a pretty useless lot as far as the political > problems in Goa are concerned. We huff and we puff and we pretend that > we have to be kept informed of what happens. > . We can pretend our > conventions make a difference. They do zilch of that sort at all. > Roland Francis > Toronto > +1 (416) 453.3371 RESPONSE: I do think that Overseas Goans still matter, even if it is in a small way, to Goa. In this I agree with what George has written. I also agree with you that conventions in my opinion produce nothing tangible. We have had several conventions, think tanks and the like here in London, including one which was captioned 'Save Goa' ! For example in 2001 it was mooted to buy commercial property, reasons for this not being a possibility were given. When we eventually bought property it was residential and at its peak. If readers are interested please click on to the URL below, to have some sort of insight into how things work with Goans here. http://www.goauk.com/artman/publish/article_564.shtml The gist of what Eugene wrote is given further credence and prominence; it is featured in 'Goan Voice', together with a photograph of Eugene:- http://www.goanvoice.org.uk/ -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London.
[Goanet] Two Arrogant Person
A diary writer while traveling compelled to listen to a conversation. He writes following lines in his diary that night. One arrogant ask other “Am I arrogant?” Other replies “No. But you tells the truth that hurts others. “ Notes : Your words says the truth but listener listen to your voice which may give different impression. Your eyes bilk with musti and the viewer understands the galati. Viewer may be wrong but your masti force him to react and react strongly… Although you are right but you are discarded… DON’T TELL THE TRUTH UNLESS YOU ARE FORCED TO DO SAY AND while telling the truth see that EACH AND EVERY ACTION SAYS THE SAME THING. Shrikant Barve Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now, on http://help.yahoo.com/l/in/yahoo/mail/yahoomail/tools/tools-08.html/
[Goanet] YouTube - "Goan Konkani Film Song & Trailer from film "ORDEM CHADDOR"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zilLWcq4WPk&feature=related For your listening pleasure. SO SWEET. rubygoes
[Goanet] Goanet] Prof. M.S. Kamat - Mauvin Godinho and 'Pursuing People's Dreams"
Dear Dr. Barad, Please do tell us how much you contributed to the debate in CASH. Your oral contribution at the debate, I have heard in person. It was impossible to know "each and every thing about the debate, including the sponsors before you could accept the MC position". All that was known to me was that CI was organising it, Floriano would not pop in goa SuRaj Party, Prof.[?] Madhav S.Kamat would be the Moderator, Sebastian Rodrigues would lead the FOR team [if more persons turned up to speak] and Dr. Jayant Budkuley would speak against [with anyone else who cared to join him] Floriano emailed the rules to me on the day of the debate. You gave me a slip of paper with your name and a note saying you are with Dr. Budkuley. Then I got one from Dr. Aureliano Fernandes. Principal Newman Fernandes and Dr. A.V. Afonso asked if it was essential to take sides FOR or AGAINST. I asked Floriano and Prof MS Kamat if they could speak. Prof. MS Kamat said they could speak last. Dr. Ajit Shirodkar joijed the neutral list. Then I got the slips from Adv. Jatin Naik and Dr. Buqui D.Desai followed by Dr. Rafael Fernandes.When everyone was seated on top, Prof. MS Kamat sprang a surprise by inviting Dr. Narayan Desai to assist him as Asst. Moderator. Floriano, Dr.N. Desai and I did not know of this arrangement. One thing was obvious from the arrangement on the stage, it was the Hindu Saraswat Brahmins versus the Rest debate. The Goa University was only incidental to most speakers in the debate. Perhaps the reason for the debate was expressed best after the debate by Dr.Budkuley to Godfrey Gonsalves ...it was about Dr. P.Shivkumar's re-employment as Professor of CLAS by the VC. You can see it in Godfrey's "sidelights" below the report. It was impossible to know "each and every thing about the debate". Colleges were invited to send their representative to debate the issue. There were no responses. No one represented any college finally. I did not know you and S.Kamat had used Floriano as a "human shield" to disguise your agenda. I thought he was tilting at the GU windmills and willingly agreed to play Sancho Panza. There is nothing about GBA in this, so do not bring a "Proud to be Saraswat" [as posted on Goanet a few months ago] GPA campaigner into the issue. The caste divide was bad enough on the stage during the debate, to need being dragged here again. When agrees to be the MC at the wedding, one does not want to know who will pay the bill of the caterer. All one needs to know is that there is a couple, with or without the Best Man and Bride's Maid, a venue, sound system and the crowd. If there is food, the MC announces when it is available. If there is a toast master, heis announced, too. The MC does not even need to know whether the father of the bride is married to her mother or not. ;-) Please do tell us how much you contributed to the debate in CASH. It is of academic interest. I have done my allotted task gratis. The debate was a learning experience. Mog asundi. Miguel Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 17:08:45 +0530 From: "Dr. U. G. Barad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet] Prof. M.S. Kamat - Mauvin Godinho and 'Pursuing People'sDreams Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> This is in reply to MIGuel BRAganza's message No 8, dated Sun, 3 August 2008 under subject tile as in above. In that message MIGuel writes - I do hope the excess of expenditure over income/collection was underwritten by IITian S. Kamat and Dr. U.G. Barad who motivated you. One played truant, the other used the platform. you being the MC at the ever first debate initiated by Citizens Initiative should have known each and every thing about the debate, including the sponsors before you could accept the MC position! As for sponsorship, you can ask Floriano how much I contributed. I don't know about S. Kamat. If Floriano does not answer this question I will answer this question to Goanet. Best regards, Dr. U. G. Barad Share files, take polls, and make new friends - all under one roof. Go to http://in.promos.yahoo.com/groups/
