[Goanet-News] Goanet Reader -- Wanted: A Peoples' Policy on Mining
Wanted: A Peoples' Policy on Mining By Hartman de Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Gods must have smiled at their mischief when they created Goa. Below the majesty of the environment they placed another wealth which, in order to get to, some Goans would have to resist the temptation of greed. It is this singular fact that must be kept in mind when one views the Goa cabinet's decision to place their draft policy for mining before the public for discussion and debate. While on the face of it, this seems an enlightened and timely decision, cynics may wonder whether such an exercise is futile -- given the current scenario of China needing our low-grade ore to mix with the high-grade ore they import from Brazil and which allows their ancient furnaces to run. It is this that sees new stretches of Goa under threat and an array of participants anxious for the kill. Villages in Bicholim and Sanquelim face a last-ditch battle to halt the mining that in one pathetic case has already ploughed its way through over 14 kilometres of fertile lands, rivers and forests, rendering them useless. At the same time, villages in South Goa, in a stretch from Sanguem all the way across to Quepem, gear for an unnecessary and time-consuming fight. One can understand the righteousness, if one looks at the 'public hearing' held at the Paikdev Temple at Maina, Quepem, the same day the cabinet decided it was time to open their draft mining policy to public scrutiny. At stake was Jolerancho Dongor, a tract of traditional forest, grazing and agricultural lands, over which Messrs Shantilal K and Brothers Pvt. Ltd. now want an old, colonial mining lease renewed. Following 'due process' the company presented their 'Rapid Environmental Assessment and Environmental Management Plan' to residents of Cawrem and Maina. Their managers brought their supporters, truck drivers and men from the village they buy drinks for at the local bar, and a hundred or so 'letters of support'. Their power-point presentation would have been funny had the implications not been so serious. Played out as the farce it was, a lecturer in Konkani from a Ponda college duly translated slides in English projected from the company's laptop, which, because it was so bright, could not be viewed unless one stood a foot away from the laptop itself. For those with a sense of humour, the laptop provided comic relief. One such gem and I quote verbatim, noted, 'The local people would rather than benefited due to the provision of infrastructure provided'. Shantilal K and Brothers set aside the princely sum of 50,000 rupees (approx US$1200) to replace the thousands of trees they hacked down, Rs 120,000 (approx US$2850) for tankers to sprinkle water on the roads to assuage the threat of dust, and lest that be deemed unworthy, would 'ensure green belt development along the boundary wall of mine to reduce visual impact.' What no one expected, least of all the Collector who arrived 45 minutes late, was Paikdev's hall packed with women from Cawrem and Maina who came by open tempo, and seventy men and women who come all the way from Paroda in a bus chartered at their own cost to show support to the women of the area. Those dressed in skirts, and jeans and blouses and those in traditional nine-yard sarees touched shoulders in applauding the speaker after speaker who rubbished proceedings. Some 222 letters of protest were filed. When one poor soul who sold his freedom-fighter father's land to the first mine in the area, stood up to plead for compromise and understanding, the women of Kawrem went to slap him while the company's lackeys hurriedly whisked him to safety! That day close to 150 or so women went home charged with the energy of having voiced their opinion although, that same night in the bars, the manager's lackeys boasted that they had already bought their 'clearances'. Their optimism, tragically, may be well-founded. Joao Fernandes, a young lawyer from Quepem, categorically charged the mine with illegally operating without clearances from the Ministry of Environment and Forests (MOEF) and in direct contravention of Supreme Court rulings of 2004 supporting the environment against mining operations in the Aravalli ranges of Dehra Dun. When asked later whether the charge of being 'illegal' had any worth, the Collector hummed and hawed and said there appeared to be 'grey' areas in the law. What he may not have wanted to say is both the Collector and the Goa State Pollution Control Board can only act as 'postmen' for the MOEF in New Delhi, where recordings and minutes of the Public Hearing will be cursorily glanced at and 'environmental clearances' granted a good six or seven months after Messrs Shantilal K and brothers and friends have already taken away two hills and are ready for the
[Goanet-News] Oscar Rebello: I am a social activist by accident (Arti Das, in Gomantak Times)
Oscar Rebello: I am a social activist by accident 'You can remove the Goan from the GBA but you can never remove GBA from the Goan.' This was the candid statement made by former convenor of the Goa Bachao Abhiyan, Dr Oscar Rebello. In a tete-a-tete with ARTI DAS, he spoke at length about the GBA, Goan politics and the art of being happy. Q: Can you tell us about the experience of being convenor of the GBA and what you learnt from it? It was a wonderful experience. Actually, I am a social activist by accident. I thought of joining it during the tree-cutting incident at Taleigao that resulted in the arrest of Patricia Pinto and Satish Sonak. I really admire the work of these social workers and I don't think I had the time and commitment towards it because of my practice -- as I am a full-time physician. You have to study laws and acquaint yourself with the social problems afflicting the people. But, I never had time for that. Also, it was nice to see different people with different ideologies joining hands for a common cause. Q: The GBA went through two phases -- first, when it opposed the Regional Plan 2011 and second, when it was part of the process to formulate a new plan. Which was more difficult? The first phase was much easier as it is very easy to destroy something. The latter part of construction was quite difficult. It was so because it had different viewpoints and opinions. It was difficult to come at any consensus. People of Goa were really disturbed and somehow I felt that we were squeezed between the people of Goa and the government. Q: During the whole process you got a chance to interact with politicians on a more personal level. Has this changed your opinion about politicians? Personally, I never hated politicians. Their lives are quite different and are very much committed towards their work. However, there are some who are taking Goans for a ride. Our aim at GBA was to guard against politicians' attempting to hijack our movement. Being part of the Task Force, I interacted with many politicians and they really gave some valuable suggestions. Politicians like Matanhy Saldanha, Manohar Parrikar, Mauvin Godinho and Victoria Fernandes had some good ideas. But, there are politicians who play games to come in power. Q: GBA made you more famous than you already were. Of course, your skills as a public speaker also helped. Are there any chances of you joining active politics in the near future? Being a good orator does not mean you are a good politician. As I said before, I don't have time for that social commitment. And I think that I am a good communicator who did the job of passing our message to the society, and I did only that. I believe that my contribution to the GBA is just two per cent. The rest of the groundwork was done by the other members. It is just that the media needed a face for the organization and that was mine. For me, politics is a totally different ball-game altogether. It requires a lot of study of the matter, commitment and I don't think that I am equipped for that. Q: Do you think that the GBA should have been dismantled soon after the Regional Plan 2011 was scrapped by the government? GBA was not some association but an idea that brought people together. If we had to dismantle it after the scrapping of the Regional Plan, then it would have been like shunning our responsibilities. It was very important to work towards the solutions and participate in the process. Q: Is your resignation a result of the failure to bring about a consensus in the GBA on certain issues? Yes I accept it as my personal failure. I feel that I couldn't hold people together and also couldn't push forward my viewpoints forcefully. But I am now not in a mood to join back. At the same time, I am of the opinion that I did my best. There is a lot of distrust now. I hope the new Regional Plan 2021 will come up as a healthy plan. I think ideally we need environmentalists, social activists, builders, mine owners, and people from every field to sit together and come up with an ideal solution. But, for this, you need an honest government. Q: What do you have to say about Goa's current social structure? And what are your suggestions to bring about harmony? If you look around then you will realize that Goans are not happy with the current situation. The most important solution is that we should all respect the law of the land. Here, you will find people breaking laws to get their work done, which makes the situation more chaotic. People should be more responsible towards it. The other aspect is the environmental conservation of Goa to maintain its natural beauty. Lastly, we must address the economic issues more strongly. For example, if we put a ban on mining activities, then at the same time we should introduce an alternative, thus no one suffers. Q: It is always said that government is a reflection of the people. So, do you think that we got the government we deserve? Yes, you can say
[Goanet-News] Where have the Toronto Goans gone? (Victor Rangel-Ribeiro in Times of India, Panjim)
Where have the Toronto Goans gone? Goans from the US, Australia and Goa attended the Goan International Convention in Toronto. Despite the small group, there was a buzz of activities and bonds of friendships renewed VICTOR RANGEL RIBEIRO Times News Network Consider this paradox: A Goan International Convention is held in Toronto, Canada, a city that with its suburbs claims a Goan population of 20,000, and is home to the Goan Overseas Association. You would expect attendance in the hundreds, if not the thousands, right? Now look at who showed up for the convention held in Mississauga, a Toronto suburb, between July 23 to 26: Nascimento Caldeira came from Melbourne, Australia; Virginia Bras e Gomes from Lisbon; Cornel da Costa, his daughter Joana, Renee Barretto and two others flew from London; George Pinto and Filomena Giese and eight others from California; three flew in from Wisconsin as well. NRI Commissioner Eduardo Faleiro, fashion guru Wendell Rodricks, architect Dean D'Cruz, State Bank manager Trevor Fernandes, cartoonist Alexyz, and a 14-person mando troupe came from faraway Goa. My wife and I drove 1,600 kilometres to get there, 800 each way. At the end of that hard 11-hour drive we found, not hundreds, but just 80 or so registrants who attended the workshops and presentations.Thirty-nine of these were from outside Canada, another six were from such distant Canadian cities like Vancouver and Quebec. Of the remaining 35, most were from Mississauga; only a handful were from Toronto itself, even though that city is only 40 kms away. The low numbers did not dampen the enthusiasm, as guiding spirits Kevin and Lisette Saldanha, along with Ben Antao, Francis and Clare Rodrigues, Bosco De Mello, Mervyn Lobo, and Walter Tavares kept things flowing. Participants in Wendell's fashion workshops came away enthused; the thirteen at my writing sessions kept demanding more. Audiences were stirred by the screening of The Rape of Goa, and Dean's presentations of environmental and architectural issues and of Clinton Vaz's pictorial essay on Goa's garbage crisis. Konkani received a push. Alexyz's fabled cartoons lined the walls of an entire room. Novelist Ben Antao presided over book launches that included Marinella Proenca's Heart Beat, Alexyz's Goa, Goan, Goaing, Gone?, Cheryl Antao-Xavier's Dance of the Peacock, Ben's own novel, Living in the Market, and his travelogue, The Islands of Sicily. A new book titled Goa: Aparanta -- Land Beyond the End, was also unveiled. Christine Pinto and Lea Rangel-Ribeiro spoke on identity and the diaspora; Coralie D'Souza unfortunately was taken ill as she began to speak. Francis Rodrigues conducted a music workshop and a session on Goan music. He also introduced the Lady Mayor of Mississauga and NRI Commissioner Faleiro. The Mayor praised Goans' contribution to the city; Faleiro promised to give NRGs a seat on various boards. Evening events included a beauty contest and Goan Idol. Both drew a crowd. A mando performance was well received, as was a Konkani tiatr that ended at 1 am. Close to 400 attended the Saturday night ball, proving once again that we Goans, while blessed with two extremities, prefer to cultivate the one that lies closest to the ground. Attendees agreed the convention had been a success. New friendships were formed, old bonds renewed. Best of all, Renee Barretto announced plans for yet another conference next year, this time in London. http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Default/Scripting/ArticleWin.asp?From=ArchiveSource=PageSkin=TOIBaseHref=TOIGO/2008/08/07PageLabel=17EntityId=Ar01700ViewMode=HTMLGZ=T
[Goanet] Learning from Bangalore
1. 'BIAL deviated from designs' DH News Service, Bangalore: Minister for IT and BT, Katta Subramanya Naidu has charged Bangalore International Airport Limited (BIAL) with deviating from the original blue print while executing the work on air terminus. We wanted an airport of international standard while the constructed one is of substandard, he alleged while speaking to reporters here on Wednesday. Disclosing that the State government would negotiate with BIAL on setting right the lapses in the construction and modifying the MoU to provide for retaining HAL airport, the minister said central intervention would be sought if the BIAL refused to concede to the demands. The government is firm on its stand on rectifying the lapses in construction. We would terminate the agreement with BIAL and entrust the work on expanding the airport to a different company if the latter fails to set-right the lapses, the minister affirmed.Opining that air traffic at BIA would reach the maximum in a period of less than an year, the minister felt HAL airport needs to be revived to cater to domestic traffic. Road access and parking space can be created at HAL airport by shifting the Institute of Aviation Medicine to some other location. A functioning airport has been closed no where in the world to pave for the new one, he substantiated. House Committee He said CM B S Yeddyurappa and Assembly Speaker Jagadish Shettar will shortly set up a joint House committee to probe alleged lapses in the airport construction, as assured in the Assembly recently. http://www.deccanherald.com/Content/Aug72008/city2008080783223.asp Note that there would have been no prospect of BIA reaching maximum capacity within one year IF old HAL airport had been retained for scheduled traffic. So Mopa needs to be down-sized to avoid this problem. Its future growth based on a sound business model would have to be in tandem with Dabolim civil enclave. 2.Minister unhappy with airport Special Correspondent It's a poor cousin to most other similar projects: Katta Subramanya Naidu No seats provided for those waiting to receive passengers Quality of construction is poor, says Minister BANGALORE: Minister for Information Technology and Biotechnology Katta Subramanya Naidu, who is in-charge of Bangalore North, has expressed his displeasure over the amenities available at the Bengaluru International Airport and has decided to take up the matter with the Union Government. He told presspersons here on Wednesday that the international airport was not really international in comparison with the facilities available in the other international airports, including that of Hyderabad and New Delhi. This international airport is a poor cousin to most others and does not have any world standard facility. It will bring down the image of Karnataka in the eyes of the people who arrive here from across the world. The airport civil structure was marked by shoddy construction and the State Government would focus on all these issues. The Minister said the airport had no seating arrangements for people waiting to receive the passengers and there was no seating arrangement even for the police and other staff. Employees on duty at the airport had to remain standing for hours on end. Even toilets for the common people were very few. Much was expected from the new international airport and it is a let down for the people of the State. Successive governments had done their best to ensure that Bangalore had one of the finest international airports and what we now see is no where near expectations. The Karnataka Government will take up this matter seriously with the authorities concerned. The Minister said most other major metropolitan cities had more than one airport and in the context of the poor facilities at the Bengaluru International Airport and the distance between the airport and the city, it was time the HAL airport was reopened for passenger aircraft. We will take up this issue with the Centre. The Karnataka Government is a partner in the international airport and consequently has a right to demand adequate facilities for passengers and others, he said. He said the Joint Legislature Committee would probe into all aspects of the international airport. The legislature committee had been constituted at the instance of a vociferous demand made by the former Minister D.K. Shivakumar on the floor of the Legislative Assembly during the recent budget session. The Government readily agreed to the Opposition demand for constituting a legislature committee and select members of the Legislative Council would be part of the committee. http://www.thehindu.com/2008/08/07/stories/2008080758530300.htm Most of the problems alluded to above are probably due to a laissez faire attitude of the state government in the project planning and design. It is rather late in the day to go in for rework. A case of closing the stable door after the horses have bolted. GOG must not fall into this trap. It must
Re: [Goanet] Avocado...
On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 10:15 AM, parnell belliappa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi just saw yr mail.. i am 63 years old nd live in betlbatim ..my house is in the adjacent building where the min of tourism lives.. after losing my only son of 22 years (not 2 yrs 22 years) a have taken such a love for gardening.. i have tried growing avocados..wold love to have the seeds? please let me know how to collect them.. bye mrs p belliappa
[Goanet] Independence Day of India, the flag hoisting ceremony - August 15 at 0700 hours
Forwarded message received from Embassy of India - Kuwait Dinesh Bhatia Counsellor Tel: 2510891 Fax: 2525811 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] August 6, 2008 Dear President/Secretary, On the auspices occasion of Independence Day of India, the flag hoisting ceremony will take place at the Indian Embassy premises on Arabian Gulf Street on Friday, August 15 at 0700 hours. The flag hoisting will be followed by the reading of President of India's message by His Excellency the Ambassador of India and rendition of patriotic songs by the Indian School Children. There will be an open house reception after the programme. All Indian nationals are cordially invited to attend the function. The Embassy would appreciate if the above information could be circulated to members of your esteemed Association for maximum participation in the celebration. With regards, Yours sincerely, Sd/- (Dinesh Bhatia) To Presidents and Secretaries of All Indian Associations
[Goanet] Russian at IPHB refuses to leave Goa .......... he loves India...
Russian at IPHB refuses to leave Goa 6 Aug 2008, 0627 hrs IST, Preetu Nair,TNN PANAJI: A 28-year-old Russian has the Russian consulate in Mumbai and the Goa government in a quandary as he “refuses to leave Goa because he loves India”. However, his Goa junket may just be cut short as his visa has expired and the Russian consulate plans to pack him off to Russia for psychiatric treatment. Alexander’s visa expired in September 2007. Alexander (name changed) was admitted to the Institute of Psychiatry and Human Behaviour (IPHB) on June 11, 2008. Sources at the IPHB reveal that he constantly insists on staying in Goa. The sources also added that when the Russian counsulate’s legal counsel in Goa visited him (Alexander) recently, he refused to entertain the lawyer. “He feels that the lawyer wants to send him back to Russia. Besides, he keeps saying “Satya meva jayate. Mera Bharat mahan”, the sources said. “We are looking into the matter and hope that after due clearance from the Goa government we can take him back to Russia where he can continue his treatment,” said counsel for the Russian consulate in Mumbai, Vikram Varma. IPHB medical superintendent B S Cuncoliencar said, “This is the third time that he has been admitted to the hospital. Whenever he recovers we discharge him and advise him that he is fit to return to Russia but he refuses to go. It appears that he wants to stay in Goa.” The hospital authorities have also written to the foreigners’ registration office (FRO) informing them about the patient’s condition and requesting them to inform the Russian consulate. Alexander was admitted to the IPHB following a complaint from the Calangute police that an “unknown male, appearing to be a foreigner giving all vague answers, of unsound mind was wandering in the market and creating a nuisance in public places.” He was first picked up by the Mapusa police for being a “public nuisance” and admitted to the IPHB in March 2008 for almost 25 days. Later in April he was picked up again by the police and sent to the IPHB where he was treated for almost 20 days. Doctors at the IPHB have diagnosed the illness as substance induced psychotic disorder. However, Alexander has now recovered. They also opined that Alexander is now “fit for discharge” from the IPHB but needs to follow up with a mental health professional on a regular basis. ___ PICK OF THE WEEK var RN = new String (Math.random()); var RNS = RN.substring (2,11); b2 = ' '; if (doweshowbellyad==1) bellyad.innerHTML = b2; presents AITARACHEO KATKUTLEO Lapitt ‘Pai Tiatrist’ Kiteak Khuxeal Na? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gulf-goans/message/20216 The English translation follows: Why “Pai Tiatrist” Feels Sad? In this world of sand and dust, the Salcette tiatrists, after overcoming a prolonged hindarance, have fulfilled their dream on July 20th. That’s why the Goan tiatrists who joyously enjoy the clean and clear atmosphere in Paradis will remember forever this great day. Yes, Goa’s Chief Minister Digamber Kamat has dedicated the newly opened ‘Ravindra Bhavan’ auditorium to the Salcette people and for the great memory of the tiatrist faternity The premiere hall inside this complex is named after the late Joao Agostinho Fernandes, fondly known and remembered as “Pai Tiatrist (the Father of Tiatr). By naming thus, the art of tiatr has once again been recognized as a great Goan heritage by Goa’s 'Aam Admi' (the common man’s) government. Courtesy: http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk12/ The culmination of the gathering of the tiatrists (brothers and sisters) at the heavenly auditorium resounded the greatness of this news. They decorated it with colourful flowers and illuminated graciously with twinkling shining stars to usher in the earthly joy and merriment and resounded it in paradise! The main curtain had a
Re: [Goanet] Selling ancestral property
The Bottom Line is Saving Goa's Identity. The Fact is Selling of Ancestral Houses, as with with Land to Non-Goans, is one key factor for deterioration of Goan Identity. Lets look at CAN DO's not CANNOT DO's!! One option is forcing our Corrupt Government to help maintain these houses by linking to sustainable Tourism, managed by Locals. Can we get some more ideas? Its always easy to do criticise, complain and do nothing. And of course there are vested interests who quote divine LEGAL rights. The latter Legalities are not sent from Heaven and have to be changed where required, to favour the people. Yes, other places will allow Goans to buy land/houses subject to there being no threat to their local interest/identity. Ground Realities in Goa are different with its small size population. Every Community across the world has a right to adopt unique legislation's to protect its interests/identity e.g. Dubai's Restrictions of on non-locals Buying Real Estate, Tougher immigration policies in the developed countries. Hence Goans have the right to do the same!! There are those who do not appreciate Goa's Unique Identity and there are others trying hard to preserve our unique identity. Bottom Line is that Majority Goans have to decide whether we want to save our Identity or not; just as we did in the Opinion Poll!! Arwin
Re: [Goanet] 'goans should stop selling property'
My dear Tony, Thank you for replying to my e-mail. Our family has taken a decision that our ancestral property in Goa will never be sold. As you are aware, rich people buy property all over the world, including Goa, while the poor people of Goa are selling their property. My parent's younger siblings, have all settled in the west, but they have never harassed my mother to sell off the property in Goa, as you state lock, stock and barrel, because they are all educated and have the finance to live a comfortable life in the west and all contribute towards the management of the property in Goa. I challenge every Goan to stop selling property. Remember your ancestors who cooked, worked, had babies etc in your ancestral homes, in Goa.No price tag for all this. Your words in your e-mail below If I get a buyer who offers me an irresistible price than whether I should still sell it or not is entirely my decision. My reply - You will allow a stranger to put a price tag on the HARD WORK OF YOUR ANCESTORS WHO WERE GOOD ENOUGH TO LEAVE YOU THEIR PROPERTY. YOUR ANCESTGORS COULD HAVE ALSO ENJOYED THEIR MONEY BY SELLING OFF THEIR PROPERTY, INSTEAD OF LEAVING IT TO PEOPLE LIKE YOU. All of you settled in the west, take your children back to goa and let them experience all the love and fun that you did, in your ancestral homes in Goa. I love Goa. Regards, == On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 Anthony M Barreto wrote : Jane 'goans should stop selling property' makes no sense. If I get a buyer who offers me an irresistible price than whether I should still sell it or not is entirely my decision. Generally it is people who have sold their ancestral property lock, stock and barrel and settled in the West are the first to tell Goans not to sell their property. Regards Tony Martin Message: 11 Date: 1 Aug 2008 05:08:40 - From: jane gillian rodrigues [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear goanetters, Any goan residing in goa, will be unhappy with goans selling off their property, as this leads to more poverty-stricken goans and also poses a security risk for Goa. Let us listen to concerned goans like Mervyn and others. Our ancestral homes are places of history, where neighbours will tell you about the habits and personalities of your foreparents. These are places where our ancestors, got married, raised children, spent time chatting with the wife and maybe the mistress, played with their children, and worked hard, to give us a better life, etc. What do some goans do with this wonderful inheritance? They just sell it, instead of GIFTING IT TO THEIR CHILDREN . Very sad Regards, ** Tony Martin English Teacher, Freelance Writer and Author Dubai, UAE Cell: 050-1460524 *
Re: [Goanet] Neglect as a novel CAUSE of DEATH ! - Brilliant!!
If you must know JC, your questions are quite tiresome. Your attempt to show you are a lawyer of caliber is pathetic. You have yet to make your debut in any court of law and Goanet is certainly not meant to be your practising ground. You are correct in your submission that you don't know nothing. While you insist on facts from other posters, you seem to be particularly short of them in your own. Your constant innuendo about Eugene's post-dated cheque was ridiculous, since he had paid a long time ago. Now, as to your 'Utt Goenkara' criticism, you had best leave it to the Goans in Goa to ask UG whatever question they wish. Being in the Bahamas, you have no platform to do that. You can of course continue to educate us on the subject of strong women and how Goan males don't seem to like them. That at least is something you seem to have the wherewithal be able to talk about. Roland. On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 9:39 PM, J. Colaco jc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/8/6 Goanet News Service [EMAIL PROTECTED] jc jusht only asking questions - because he does not know nothing: 1: Is this the most pressing Goa-related problem that 'Utt Goenkara' found, in its effort to attract the court's attention?
[Goanet] Where have the Toronto Goans gone? (today's TOI - Goa Times)
http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Daily/skins/TOI/navigator.asp?Daily=TOIGOlogin=default Where have the Toronto Goans gone? Goans from the US, Australia and Goa attended the Goan International Convention in Toronto. Despite the small group, there was a buzz of activities and bonds of friendships renewed VICTOR RANGEL RIBEIRO Times News Network Consider this paradox: A Goan International Convention is held in Toronto, Canada, a city that with its suburbs claims a Goan population of 20,000, and is home to the Goan Overseas Association. You would expect attendance in the hundreds, if not the thousands, right? Now look at who showed up for the convention held in Mississauga, a Toronto suburb, between July 23 to 26: Nascimento Caldeira came from Melbourne, Australia; Virginia Bras e Gomes from Lisbon; Cornel da Costa, his daughter Joana, Renee Barretto and two others flew from London; George Pinto and Filomena Giese and eight others from California; three flew in from Wisconsin as well. NRI Commissioner Eduardo Faleiro, fashion guru Wendell Rodricks, architect Dean D'Cruz, State Bank manager Trevor Fernandes, cartoonist Alexyz, and a 14-person mando troupe came from faraway Goa. My wife and I drove 1,600 kilometres to get there, 800 each way. At the end of that hard 11-hour drive we found, not hundreds, but just 80 or so registrants who attended the workshops and presentations.Thirty-nine of these were from outside Canada, another six were from such distant Canadian cities like Vancouver and Quebec. Of the remaining 35, most were from Mississauga; only a handful were from Toronto itself, even though that city is only 40 kms away. The low numbers did not dampen the enthusiasm, as guiding spirits Kevin and Lisette Saldanha, along with Ben Antao, Francis and Clare Rodrigues, Bosco De Mello, Mervyn Lobo, and Walter Tavares kept things flowing. Participants in Wendell's fashion workshops came away enthused; the thirteen at my writing sessions kept demanding more. Audiences were stirred by the screening of The Rape of Goa, and Dean's presentations of environmental and architectural issues and of Clinton Vaz's pictorial essay on Goa's garbage crisis. Konkani received a push. Alexyz's fabled cartoons lined the walls of an entire room. Novelist Ben Antao presided over book launches that included Marinella Proenca's Heart Beat, Alexyz's Goa, Goan, Goaing, Gone?, Cheryl Antao-Xavier's Dance of the Peacock, Ben's own novel, Living in the Market, and his travelogue, The Islands of Sicily. A new book titled Goa: Aparanta — Land Beyond the End, was also unveiled. Christine Pinto and Lea Rangel-Ribeiro spoke on identity and the diaspora; Coralie D'Souza unfortunately was taken ill as she began to speak. Francis Rodrigues conducted a music workshop and a session on Goan music. He also introduced the Lady Mayor of Mississauga and NRI Commissioner Faleiro. The Mayor praised Goans' contribution to the city; Faleiro promised to give NRGs a seat on various boards. Evening events included a beauty contest and Goan Idol. Both drew a crowd. A mando performance was well received, as was a Konkani tiatr that ended at 1 am. Close to 400 attended the Saturday night ball, proving once again that we Goans, while blessed with two extremities, prefer to cultivate the one that lies closest to the ground. Attendees agreed the convention had been a success. New friendships were formed, old bonds renewed. Best of all, Renee Barretto announced plans for yet another conference next year, this time in London.
[Goanet] Daily Grook #180
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[Goanet] English Play on
Dears, If you are in Goa do not miss this opportunity. The Verdict was a novel fusion of props used in Tiatr and presentation like a regular English play. Mog asundi. Miguel --- On Thu, 7/8/08, Tomazinho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tomazinho Cardozo 'ASRO' Orda, Candolim, Bardez, Goa - 403 515 Date: 07 . 08 . 08 Press Note Kala Mogi, Candolim will stage an English play in 2 Acts entitled Sweet Poison in Margao [on 9th August, 2008 at 7.00 p.m. at Ravindra Bhavan, Margao]and in Panjim [on 11th August, 2008 at 7.00 pm at the Kala Akademy, Panjim].The admission is free . This is the second play production of Kala Mogi, Candolim. They had staged their first English play The Verdict in 2006 which was a big success. o is a cultural institution working on the field of Goan culture since the last 30 years. This play is the translation of Tomazinho Cardozo's Konkani play Mhonvall Vikh. It is translated into English by Irene Cardozo. Sweet Poison deals with the impact of tourism on Goan society. It was in the beginning the 80's that tourism activities in Goa started flourishing. There was a boom of construction of hotels in Goa particularly in the coastal belt of Goa. Low income tourists coming from European countries as well as from other parts of India started living as paying guests in private houses. Government started giving financial support to the owners of the houses to renovate their houses if they wished to use them as 'guest-houses'. Hundreds of Goan families opted to convert their houses into 'guest-houses'. They began to earn a lot of money by renting their houses to tourists. Tourists, foreigners as well as Indians, began to live in the houses along with the family members. What was the effect of this on the lives of children in the house? Did it affect in any way the culture of Goa? This is what Sweet Poison makes an attempt to expose. Directed by Tomazinho Cardozo, the play features Shivanand Naik, Joslyn Misquita,Irene Cardozo, Selza Lopes and Comedian 64 in prominent roles. They are ably supported by Mathias Mascarenhas, Assis Cardozo, Dnyaneshwar Morajkar, Larisa D'Souza, Manohar Redkar and Tukaram Naik. The stage sets are designed by Timothy Dias. Light Effects are provided by Dnanjay Phalkar and the Background Music by Vikas Chopdekar. Sweet Poison will be staged on 9th August, 2008 at 7.00 p.m. at Ravindra Bhavan, Margao, and on 11th August, 2008 at 7.00 pm at the Kala Akademy, Panjim. The admission is free and the English Theatre loving Goans are invited to witness the same. Tomazinho Cardozo and his Kala Mogi dramatic troupe ventured on English Theatre stage in 2006 because there were/are hardly any dramatic troupes producing English dramas in Goa. Secondly, unlike English plays coming to Goa from Bombay and other parts of the country, the scripts of his plays are based on social issues prevailing in the Goan society and the audience will witness something that directly affects their lives. This activity will also give an opportunity to Goan youth to display their dramatic talents on the English Theatre stage of Goa. Tomazinho Cardozo Phone; 9822170102 Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://in.messenger.yahoo.com/invite/
[Goanet] Failed in duty as parent!?
Can somebody, except “Utt Goenkara”, please explain what is meant by “Duty of parent”? And subsequently what “neglecting responsibilities as parent” means? There are a lot of Goans, many of them lawyers who think their job is only to talk, even if it is rubbish; because they believe everybody else is ignorant. But little do they realize they are exposing their ignorance to the learned. It was stated in the press that Fiona Mackeown had a heated argument with Scarlett Keeling as she refused to accompany the rest of the family on their India tour. She also voluntarily lived with an adult and thus was under his guardianship. This guardian did not leave Scarlett irresponsibly at the Anjuna shack and go back home to sleep. So where does the word “neglect” come in? There are so many deaths taking place in Goa of small children, school children, big children on Goan roads, school picnics, seashores. So many toddlers, small girls raped or murdered. Are their parents to be accused of neglect for exposing them to the circumstances that caused their death?? What recourse should Fiona Mackeown have taken when Scarlett refused to accompany the family and insisted in staying with her trusted guardian? Beat her up? Tied her up on a leash? To me this move of “Utt Goenkara” looks to be a publicity stunt or a political stunt with a possibility also of being an ignorant move. Any guesses? Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão. _ Searching for the best deals on travel? Visit MSN Travel. http://msn.coxandkings.co.in/cnk/cnk.do
Re: [Goanet] Save Goa crusader Oscar quits GBA
Cheers, GBA is blooming and not using platforms!! Best to u day!! since u are allergic to nICE dAYS Seb and not SEB seb From: Dr. U. G. Barad [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is in reply to Message: 9 Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 from hAVE a nICE dAY My response is: hAVE a nICE dAY as is SEB seb Best regards, Dr. U. G. Barad
[Goanet] Selling ancestral property
[Goanet] Selling ancestral property With ref. to above topic. I would request you to watch the bollywood moive BOOTHNATH. Releasd in May 2008. With Amitab Bachan, Juhi Chawla etc BOOTHNATH is a story of a deceased grandfather with his grandson. The only son wanted to sell the ancestors house much against the wishes of his father. Only son who worked in the US, for whom both the parents waiting to see impatiently. Mother died. Son then come home and decides to sell the age old house. Another reason to watch the movie is the film is shot in Goa. Beaches, forts, IFFI Jetty etc etc covered. The fim, by now, should be availabe on DVD/VCD all over the world. Price usually Rs.199 or less. song http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=ytnEAG79LFk Goa scene http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=66X13VpGXjw IFFI Jetty campal http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=IvgqhfLbeuA [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa __ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html
[Goanet] Failed in duty as parent!?
Good question. But not the right answer. The only connection, is retaliation. Fiona Mackeown with all her fighting capabilities managed to get the government to dismiss the client. So now, attack is the best defense. Dona Curiosa.
Re: [Goanet] The Toronto Convention and Goanet moderation in particular
--- On Wed, 8/6/08, CORNEL DACOSTA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, I am rather wary of the tensions already becoming evident in London over the next Convention that, I for one, would like to see bi-annually rather than annually, not withstanding the pittance provided by the Goa Government to encourage an annual event! -- I'm afraid I have to apologise for prematurely starting this rumour. Faleiro, has publicaly stated in Brazil that the convention will be moving to Australia next. http://nri.in.msn.com/article.aspx?cp-documentid=1588026 Given all that has transpired in Toronto, perhaps it is for the best. Despite that, I was looking forward to being part of it in London and doing my wee bit for Goa. selma
[Goanet] Is Life a parabola!!
I am convinced, after going through messages and responses in Goanet that there exists a group within Goanet showing the signs of proving Life is a Parabola... They don't seem to know that they are following decline path of the parabola... May I have views on this topic from Goanet members? Best regards, Dr. U. G. Barad
[Goanet] English Play in 2 Acts titled Sweet Poison to be staged by Kala Mogi
From: Tomazinho [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tomazinho Cardozo ‘ASRO’ Orda, Candolim, Bardez, Goa – 403 515 India Date: 07 . 08 . 08 Kala Mogi, Candolim will stage an English play in 2 Acts entitled “Sweet Poison” in Margao and in Panjim. This is the second play production of Kala Mogi, Candolim. They had staged their first English play “The Verdict” in 2006 which was a big success. o is a cultural institution working on the field of Goan culture since the last 30 years. This play is the translation of Tomazinho Cardozo’s Konkani play “Mhonvall Vikh”. It is translated into English by Irene Cardozo. “Sweet Poison” deals with the impact of tourism on Goan society. It was in the beginning the 80’s that tourism activities in Goa started flourishing. There was a boom of construction of hotels in Goa particularly in the coastal belt of Goa . Low income tourists coming from European countries as well as from other parts of India started living as paying guests in private houses. Government started giving financial support to the owners of the houses to renovate their houses if they wished to use them as ‘guest-houses’. Hundreds of Goan families opted to convert their houses into ‘guest-houses’. They began to earn a lot of money by renting their houses to tourists. Tourists, foreigners as well as Indians, began to live in the houses along with the family members. What was the effect of this on the lives of children in the house? Did it affect in any way the culture of Goa ? This is what “Sweet Poison” makes an attempt to expose. Directed by Tomazinho Cardozo, the play features Irene Cardozo, Shivanand Naik, Joslyn Misquita, Selza Lopes and Comedian 64 in prominent roles. They are ably supported by Mathias Mascarenhas, Assis Cardozo, Dnyaneshwar Morajkar, Larisa D’Souza, Manohar Redkar and Tukaram Naik. The stage sets are designed by Timothy Dias. Light Effects are provided by Dnanjay Phalkar and the Background Music by Vikas Chopdekar. “Sweet Poison” will be staged on 9th August, 2008 at 7.00 p.m. at Ravindra Bhavan, Margao, and on 11th August, 2008 at 7.00 pm at the Kala Akademy, Panjim. The admission is free and the English Theatre loving Goans are invited to witness the same. Tomazinho Cardozo and his Kala Mogi dramatic troupe ventured on English Theatre stage in 2006 because there were/are hardly any dramatic troupes producing English dramas in Goa . Secondly, unlike English plays coming to Goa from Bombay and other parts of the country, the scripts of his plays are based on social issues prevailing in the Goan society and the audience will witness something that directly affects their lives. This activity will also give an opportunity to Goan youth to display their dramatic talents on the English Theatre stage of Goa . Tomazinho Cardozo Phone; 9822170102 YOU HEARD THIS FIRST ON WWW.GOA-WORLD.COM - Forwarded by gaspar.almeida, www.goa-world.com
[Goanet] Ancestral property
This refers to Arwin Misquita's article on ancestral homes. I absolutely agree that Goan's identity can be maintained by being able to keep and retain our ancestral homes. Always not easy, specially with Portuguese type villas but, where there is a will there is a way and when I was confronted by this difficult problem, I rented out one home to be able to maintain thereby retain my property. Nobody can take what has been handed down to me for generations for as long as I live. This may not be very easy, but even if one has to sell, there are plenty of Goan buyers too. Bernice Pereira Mumbai Be the first one to try the new Messenger 9 Beta! Go to http://in.messenger.yahoo.com/win/
Re: [Goanet] Avocado...
Dear Parnell, I suggest you join the Botanical Society of Goa network and mailing list. Lots of knowledgeable people there . http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/bsg-goa/subs_add As far as growing the avocados go, I'm not an expert. My view is that they take root easily in the soil in Goa. Miguel, a qualified agricultural scientist, would know the exact details. If you want the seeds, you're free to pick them up from here. We have many dozen seeds and you can have a few at no cost. (The idea is to spread them about, so that we have more greenery and another fruiting crop.) I could drop them for you somewhere in Panjim if you wish. Unfortunately I don't reach Betalbatim often. FN 2008/8/7 parnell belliappa [EMAIL PROTECTED] hi just saw yr mail.. i am 63 years old nd live in betlbatim ..my house is in the adjacent building where the min of tourism lives.. after losing my only son of 2 years a have taken such a love for gardening.. i have tried growing avocados..wold love to have the seeds? please let me know how to collect them.. bye mrs p belliappa -- FN * Independent Journalist http://fn.goa-india.org 784 Nr Convent, Saligao 403511 Goa India Ph +91-832-2409490 M: +91-9970157402 Software for Kids Blog: http://softwareforkids.wordpress.com
Re: [Goanet] Selling ancestral property
Hi Ana Maria Amen to what you say, I do agree , with you all the way. People have all the time to write what they think, not to act, I have no intention of selling my house, but to check the aptitude of these so called Goans at mouth, I put a sale form, guess what just one single respondent, But madame if you do have any more properties for sale at Goa, Kindly contact me, regards Ayres deSouza On 8/7/08, Ana Maria de souza-Goswami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Lots has been written about goans selling ancestral property. How will goans be 'pverty-stricken' by selling property. What they do with the money is nobody's business. Parents can sell the property because it belongs to them and not the children, and besides if most of the children are living overseas and do not want to come back to Goa, why can't they sell the property especially those who need the money. If it hadn't been for rich Indians and foreigners who have bought our ancestral homes, they would have gone to seed. We had to sell our home in Moira because no one wanted to live there after my father expired in 1989. My mother couldn't live there alone so shifted to her maternal place in Margao, and my two brothers and myself had already acquired our own houses. Also we had to sell our maternal grandparents place in Margao this year (late 17th century) as all the inheritors,except for three of us live in Portugual/Brazil. We did not sell it to an outsider but to a fellow Goan. Goans do not want to come back to live in Goa, but still criticize on the Goanet about outsiders coming in hoards to Goa. Blame it on others, blame it to the builders, who need migrant labourers to build the flats which goans have acquired and non-Goans. Don't goans go to the West and buy houses/flats in the UK, USA, Canada, etc. Do the people of that country criticize Indians buying property in their own country?. Please lets end this subject of selling ancestral land and tackle other issues, as garbage, rash driving, etc. Ana Maria de Souza-Goswami -- Ayres deSouza
Re: [Goanet] Greatest Goan Dr Jack Sequeira
Lino You have to get your facts right,it was not just Jack Sequeira. because of the people who stayed in Goa and voted at the opinion polls , we are still goans, So , don't patranise me , say a thank you to the ones who stayed back, SAY A BIG THANK YOU, TO ALL THE PEOPLE AT THE OLD AGE HOMES?? regards AyresdeSouza On 8/5/08, Fausto Da Costa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well said Lino bab. Fausto Lino wrote: Dear Cecil, And my personal?favourite title goes to Historic Opinion Poll Leader late Dr. Jack Sequeira for protecting the identity of Goa. Because?of the sacrifice of the great leader YOU and ME are Goykar. Mog asum ? Lino Dourado --- On Mon, 8/4/08, Cecil Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My personal favourite for the title of Greatest Goan ever would be Abbe Faria with D. D. Kossambi coming a close second. Was just wondering which other Goans would really be serious contendors for the title. Can the Admin Team ask for nominations and have a poll? -- Ayres deSouza
[Goanet] Goanet Reader -- Wanted: A Peoples' Policy on Mining
Wanted: A Peoples' Policy on Mining By Hartman de Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Gods must have smiled at their mischief when they created Goa. Below the majesty of the environment they placed another wealth which, in order to get to, some Goans would have to resist the temptation of greed. It is this singular fact that must be kept in mind when one views the Goa cabinet's decision to place their draft policy for mining before the public for discussion and debate. While on the face of it, this seems an enlightened and timely decision, cynics may wonder whether such an exercise is futile -- given the current scenario of China needing our low-grade ore to mix with the high-grade ore they import from Brazil and which allows their ancient furnaces to run. It is this that sees new stretches of Goa under threat and an array of participants anxious for the kill. Villages in Bicholim and Sanquelim face a last-ditch battle to halt the mining that in one pathetic case has already ploughed its way through over 14 kilometres of fertile lands, rivers and forests, rendering them useless. At the same time, villages in South Goa, in a stretch from Sanguem all the way across to Quepem, gear for an unnecessary and time-consuming fight. One can understand the righteousness, if one looks at the 'public hearing' held at the Paikdev Temple at Maina, Quepem, the same day the cabinet decided it was time to open their draft mining policy to public scrutiny. At stake was Jolerancho Dongor, a tract of traditional forest, grazing and agricultural lands, over which Messrs Shantilal K and Brothers Pvt. Ltd. now want an old, colonial mining lease renewed. Following 'due process' the company presented their 'Rapid Environmental Assessment and Environmental Management Plan' to residents of Cawrem and Maina. Their managers brought their supporters, truck drivers and men from the village they buy drinks for at the local bar, and a hundred or so 'letters of support'. Their power-point presentation would have been funny had the implications not been so serious. Played out as the farce it was, a lecturer in Konkani from a Ponda college duly translated slides in English projected from the company's laptop, which, because it was so bright, could not be viewed unless one stood a foot away from the laptop itself. For those with a sense of humour, the laptop provided comic relief. One such gem and I quote verbatim, noted, 'The local people would rather than benefited due to the provision of infrastructure provided'. Shantilal K and Brothers set aside the princely sum of 50,000 rupees (approx US$1200) to replace the thousands of trees they hacked down, Rs 120,000 (approx US$2850) for tankers to sprinkle water on the roads to assuage the threat of dust, and lest that be deemed unworthy, would 'ensure green belt development along the boundary wall of mine to reduce visual impact.' What no one expected, least of all the Collector who arrived 45 minutes late, was Paikdev's hall packed with women from Cawrem and Maina who came by open tempo, and seventy men and women who come all the way from Paroda in a bus chartered at their own cost to show support to the women of the area. Those dressed in skirts, and jeans and blouses and those in traditional nine-yard sarees touched shoulders in applauding the speaker after speaker who rubbished proceedings. Some 222 letters of protest were filed. When one poor soul who sold his freedom-fighter father's land to the first mine in the area, stood up to plead for compromise and understanding, the women of Kawrem went to slap him while the company's lackeys hurriedly whisked him to safety! That day close to 150 or so women went home charged with the energy of having voiced their opinion although, that same night in the bars, the manager's lackeys boasted that they had already bought their 'clearances'. Their optimism, tragically, may be well-founded. Joao Fernandes, a young lawyer from Quepem, categorically charged the mine with illegally operating without clearances from the Ministry of Environment and Forests (MOEF) and in direct contravention of Supreme Court rulings of 2004 supporting the environment against mining operations in the Aravalli ranges of Dehra Dun. When asked later whether the charge of being 'illegal' had any worth, the Collector hummed and hawed and said there appeared to be 'grey' areas in the law. What he may not have wanted to say is both the Collector and the Goa State Pollution Control Board can only act as 'postmen' for the MOEF in New Delhi, where recordings and minutes of the Public Hearing will be cursorily glanced at and 'environmental clearances' granted a good six or seven months after Messrs Shantilal K and brothers and friends have already taken away two hills and are ready for the
Re: [Goanet] Avocado...
I see our irmao Fred has taken interest in avacados, I am 'appy. And Mervyn too; its good a good fruit/veggie for the body after an evening of you-know-what. Like I said, I am experienced in such matters. Seriously, the avacados available in the Mupca market (the man who sells unusual vegitables, herbs etc inside the market) are the Caribbean variety...large and green (when ripe as well) as compared to the Mexican/Chilean variety, which are small, usually black/dark when ripe. In order to seed avacados, scoop a seed float it in a glass/bottle with a large opening with water..the seed floats and let the 'de-ant' face up..the seed with germinate but I ain't sure the number of days. When germinate, transfer the seed to the groundin a cool area...usually a shady area. My neighbor Albertin-maana had an avocado tree grown in the whitish sands of costal salcette.and she had crops though unpredictable like her temper. In Salcette-Goa, we have a saying.stolen fruit tastes sweeter; the 'boorkois' from her jardin were worth the afternoon (rather than the avacados) raid when the old duck was doing siestia'ing. The avacados were brought there by returning Afrikaars. Here is a link off the internet: http://www.nda.agric.za/docs/avocado/avocado.htm 2008/8/7 parnell belliappa [EMAIL PROTECTED] hi just saw yr mail..
Re: [Goanet] Resignations, Popular Politics and the Force of Law
Let me make a few relevant points vis a vis the RP-2021 and the Task Force assembled to help cobble it together. 1. As we understand, the 'Regional Plan' is a broad-based and a holistic plan of what is needed by way of infrastructure for a period under planning and more. 2. Regional Planning is a matter for the experts who know their jobs and not any village Tom Dick and Harry, since this planning is based on projections of growth and on actual statistics. 3. 73rd. and 74th. amendments cannot and must not be implemented unless the Panchayat Raj Act is exorcised fully and completely to remove all the loopholes which presently makes the Act just a flushable piece of toilet paper. (I have been telling this to Soter of Peaceful Society and others every opportunity I get). 4. As it is , Panchayats are playing havoc w.r.t. illegalities galore. Give them more unregulated powers to make money? No Sir. 5. Village people do not know what is long term planning. But, thing to do is to open up discussions on the same once formulated at village levels to explain what is what and why things are planned the way they are. If there are serious disagreements, then these must be looked into. 6 The Regional Plan cannot and must not be conjured looking at villages and constituencies but taking into consideration that Goa is a village and any planning for one portion must be in consonance with the rest of Goa and not discordant. 6. Leave it to the people and we promise you NOTHING WILL BE DONE. Real experts must be put to work sans hidden agendas of builders, industrialists, commission agents et al. 7. Regional Plan is all about building Bridges, Highways, Roads, putting industries, Educational complexes, religious places of worship, water works, mining, river transportation, agriculture in all its branches, maintenance of forests, its wild-life, preserving the ecological balance, safe maintenance of beaches and riverfronts, the extent of more settlements based of normal (not migrant influx) population growth, in conjunction with the 'building code', planning for airports, ports, railways etc. etc. We have said enough , but we would like to expand the logic of all what is said a bit further. The problem is not the Regional Plan, the ODPs, the Village development plans etc. The problem is GOVERNANCE. Goa falls flat on this score. Goa's governance has become free for all. If a strangle hold is held on Goa's need based and selfless Governance ( which is not possible unless there is a dramatic change in Goa's political SYSTEM), Goa is going to be further torn apart into bits and pieces since every single person wants his/her share of things the way they like. If such stranglehold governance is put in place ( REAL POLITIC ) then the Goa's gold pot (treasury) which is now handled by people like Digu, Narvekar, Babush, Viswajeet et al, will be actually handled by the Village Panchayats and Municipalities vide Constitutional 73rd. and 74th amendments. The Cabinet bugs will no longer get to share the warmth of the 'Gold pot which will be distributed to villages panchayats and municipalities. Therefore, the shine of contesting Assembly elections will be lost. The rush is always where the gold is, therefore everyone will want to be in the Panchayats and Municipalities to be closer to the warmth generated by the gold pot. Who will, then contest the assembly seats? It will be persons like Averthan, Patricia Pinto, Oscar Rebello, Soter D'Souza , Miguel Braganza, Dr. Francisco Colaco, educationist like Aureliano Fernandes, and such people like Wendell Rodricks, Jason Keith Fernandes, maybe a Geraldine Fernandes here and a Judith Almeida there. Pressure will also come on persons like Anthony D'Silva of Ambelim and a lot more people, like floriano lobo or Dr. Dumo who are basically unelectable under the prevailing circumstances. Prestige will be more important to them than the siphoning-off of the gold pot. Therefore they will willingly take up the seats which no Narvekars, Babushes, Alemao's, Ranes etc will want. And sitting in the legislative assemble, they will enact laws rules and regulations that will put the 'dog in the manger to shame' in the understanding that If I will not eat, then I shall not allow you to eat either. The Narvekars and Babushes etc at the panchayat and municipal levels not being able to pocket the gold coins to which they have staked their claims on long term basis will be forced to look for jobs elsewhere where they must actually earn their living, since being at the panchayat and municipal level will entail that they do massive social service for nothing in return. And that is when the 73rd and the 74th amendment to the constitution will be most safe along with the Regional Plans and the ODPs and what have yous. We feel that young minds like Jason Keith Fernandes and other must consider the above. floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: Jason Keith Fernandes
[Goanet] Why not setup a Goan REIT
I think some Goan bank needs to take initiative on this.. Many people are arguing on how one should not sell your properties while others are arguing for it. If you look at the Twinkle Khanna case, not only are Goans selling their properties, they are not even making much money out of it. Brokers seem to be profiting more than the sellers themselves. I think best way to deal with this issue is to have a REIT in Goa, with Goan investors from all over the world. This would be a more professional way to deal with issues Goans are having with housing. REIT (or Real Estate Investment Trust) are similar to mutual funds which used to invest in real estate. Many Goan NRI's would be interested in investing in Goa, without going through the hassles of property maintenance. This would be a more preferred route. * REIT will buy and maintain old Goan properties and then earn a income by leasing this places. * Buy large plots and sell them to Goans by dividing in small lots of 250 sq.m (or similar) with marginal profits, cutting out the builders. This will help the Goan aam aadmi. There are other possibilities as well which would be better known to experts in this field. There are many Goans working in field of finance and banking who might be of help in the issue. REIT's are just making an entry into India, with ICICI,HDFC,DLF launching their own schemes and these are future landbank investors. regards Rishikesh REIT Definition (from Investopedia) A security that sells like a stock on the major exchanges and invests in real estate directly, either through properties or mortgages. REITs receive special tax considerations and typically offer investors high yields, as well as a highly liquid method of investing in real estate. Equity REITs: Equity REITs invest in and own properties (thus responsible for the equity or value of their real estate assets). Their revenues come principally from their properties' rents. Mortgage REITs: Mortgage REITs deal in investment and ownership of property mortgages. These REITs loan money for mortgages to owners of real estate, or purchase existing mortgages or mortgage-backed securities. Their revenues are generated primarily by the interest that they earn on the mortgage loans. Hybrid REITs: Hybrid REITs combine the investment strategies of equity REITs and mortgage REITs by investing in both properties and mortgages. Individuals can invest in REITs either by purchasing their shares directly on an open exchange or by investing in a mutual fund that specializes in public real estate. An additional benefit to investing in REITs is the fact that many are accompanied by dividend reinvestment plans (DRIPs). Among other things, REITs invest in shopping malls, office buildings, apartments, warehouses and hotels. Some REITs will invest specifically in one area of real estate - shopping malls, for example - or in one specific region, state or country. Investing in REITs is a liquid, dividend-paying means of participating in the real estate market.
Re: [Goanet] GICA (The Japanese Sponsored Sewerage and water augmentation system for Goa).
Dears, Did you know that the Japanese have been more concerned about the non-existent sanitation and hygiene maintenance programs in Goa's tourist and commercial areas such as Margao, Calangute and Mapusa? Yes, Indeed. The Japanese came up with 'GICA', where Margao, Calangute and Mapusa have been sponsored free of cost state of the art sewerage system because they were shocked at the state of deterioration of hygienic conditions of these three places in particular. Plus, the sponsor is also for the re-piping of the water lines from Selaulim and Opa water works, the work which is being carried out at the moment, to the best of our knowledge. Does our Goa government pay a farthing for the replacement of the water pipes program that is ongoing? The answer seems to be no. The state of the art sewerage scheme offer is believed to be on hold presently because two of our Goa's seniormost government ministers have been the thorn in the Japanese flesh. The Japs have appointed their own trusted men to oversee the works when started, but our guys, it is believed want their own people. The Japs refuse to move. It is believed that they will either have their way or cancel the free offer. It is also believed that when the Jap team took a round in our esteemed Mapusa Municipal market, they were shocked to their bones to see the market hygiene and sanitation. That is why the free offer. The Japs have rightly chosen Calangute because the entire coastal belt's ground water resources have been poluted beyond salvage and going worse each time mega buildings are licenced to operate on septic tanks and soak pits. If the Japanese withdraw the offer, which is believed to have a completion period upto 2015 or so, Goans will have to stone our commission agent government ministers to death and throw them into the stinking Mapusa gutters. There will be no better justice than this. I wonder as to how many Goans are even aware that such a 'free of cost' scheme exists at all, and that too from foreigners who love Goa. floriano goasuraj BTW: the Mapusa Nagrikancho Ekvott ( a new emerging entity of the Citizens of Mapusa and the surrounding areas) for the cleanliness and upkeep of Mapusa shall be meeting the Mapusa Municipal Chairperson on 18th (Monday) August, 2008 at 4 p.m. to hand over a ' Citizens' Charter of Demands' (signed by upwards of 5000 citizens). This is a very very serious attempt made by concious citizens of Mapusa who having been fed up with what is going on, and have decided once and for all to sit on the heads of the non-performing Mapusa Municipal Council members and make them perform or have them face the consequences. The RTI Act has been made use of to the hilt and Mapxekars are anxious to see the Mapusa Municipal Council trudging up and down the many steps of the Bombay High Court at Altinho, Pamjim henceforth, if better sense does not prevail. This is for the kind information of all who love Mapusa City and more so, the Mapusa Municipal Market. Needless to say that the Citizens of Mapusa have stumbled upon GICA to their immense surprise.
[Goanet] WORLD GOA DAY -2008 - CELEBRATIONS
Dear All http://worldgoaday2008.blogspot.com/ is the WGD report by Noel G de Souza in the latest issue of the Indian Link newspaper dated 1st August. You can see a full report on WGD 08 plus lots of photos by visiting us at www.goansw.com Kind regards Tony Colaco - President GOA NSW Inc. .. TOGETHER we CAN MAKE IT HAPPEN - GOANSCAN ! TOGETHER we have MADE IT HAPPEN ! rene barreto - Overall Coordinator., WORLD GOA DAY WORLD ALLIANCE OF GOAN ASSOCIATIONS http://worldgoan.blogspot.com/
[Goanet] Menino Mascarenhas elected Nuvem Dy Sarpanch
Menino Mascarenhas elected Nuvem Dy Sarpanch HERALD NEWS DESK Menino Mascarenhas was elected Deputy Sar-panch of Village Pancha-yat Nuvem, at a special meeting held at Panchayat premises on Monday, August 3, 2008. Menino defeated Newton Colaco by 7-4 votes in a one-to-one contest of the 11-member panchayat. The vacancy of deputy sarpanch was created as incumbent Milagrine Miranda quit the post in June this year. Block Development Officer R. K. Chari presided over the meeting. It may be recalled that Menino was elected Nuvem sarpanch in 1999. Nuvem Kuwait Parishioners takes this opportunity to congratulate Menino Mascarenhas and wish him all the very best. NUVEM KUWAIT PARISHIONERS http://nuvemparishionersofkuwait.blogspot.com/ Goa's complete online news edition - Thursday, August 07, 2008
[Goanet] ABC Beaches of Goa (Anjuna-Baga-Calangute)
Dear Joe, Many thanks for posting the clippings on ABC Beaches of Goa - Anjuna-Baga-Calangute. I viewed the clippings of Anjuna beach several times but could not see the shore; there can't be a beach without a shore. Obviously, you did not visit Anjuna beach - you visited Anjuna rocks. Anjuna beach is around three hundred meters from the colorful shops you showed on your clippings. It's not only you but most people who visit Anjuna land on the spot you visited and think it is the Anjuna beach. We have a beautiful beach with a large shore where people bathe freely. The Flea Market takes place adjacent to Anjuna beach shore - not adjacent to the rocks shown on the clippings. Miss Scarlett’s dead body was found on the shore of Anjuna beach – not among rocks. When you are in the North next, please visit actual Anjuna beach and re-post the clippings. When in Anjuna, please call me on my mobile 9420979201 - landline (0832)2274954. You are doing a wonderful service to the Goan community. Please keep up the good work. Moi-mogan, Domnic Fernandes Gaumvaddy, Anjuna http://www.goanet.org/post.php?name=Newslist=goanetinfo=2008-July/authorpost_id=077764 _ From salsa lessons to filmy gossip, news to music concerts - watch it all on MSN Video http://video.msn.com/?mkt=en-in
[Goanet] Permissible distance between 2 airports
http://avindia.blogspot.com/2007/11/moca-wants-to-reduce-minimum-distance.html Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão. _ From salsa lessons to filmy gossip, news to music concerts - watch it all on MSN Video http://video.msn.com/?mkt=en-in
Re: [Goanet] Avocado...
2008/8/7 Pandu Lampiao [EMAIL PROTECTED]: .. In order to seed avacados, scoop a seed float it in a glass/bottle with a large opening with water..the seed floats and let the 'de-ant' face up..the seed with germinate but I ain't sure the number of days. When germinate, transfer the seed to the groundin a cool area...usually a shady area. RESPONSE: You have every chance that the seed will start to rot! I have a book on cultivating from seeds; for Avocado it is: keep it half suspended in water the broader end immersed the top end dry. To achieve this use two tooth picks which you have to prick in to support the seed in a glass of water. Better still follow this advice:- http://www.ghorganics.com/Germinating%20and%20Growing%20Avocados.html -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London.
Re: [Goanet] Why not setup a Goan REIT
2008/8/7 Rishi [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I think some Goan bank needs to take initiative on this.. Many people are arguing on how one should not sell your properties while others are arguing for it. If you look at the Twinkle Khanna case, not only are Goans selling their properties, they are not even making much money out of it. Brokers seem to be profiting more than the sellers themselves. I think best way to deal with this issue is to have a REIT in Goa, with Goan investors from all over the world. This would be a more professional way to deal with issues Goans are having with housing. REIT (or Real Estate Investment Trust) are similar to mutual funds which used to invest in real estate. There are several Real Esstate companies, which if you invest it you can use for your pension pot with tax benefits. Check the footsie: British Land, Land securities and more. The Govt of Goa would have to grant tax free status for gains of shares in the R.E.I.T's -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London.
[Goanet] SPORTS: Lawrence of Indian football (Hindustan Times)
Lawrence of Indian football When Climax Lawrence's uncle named him Climax 29 years ago, he would have never thought that the kid would one day come up with something special to avoid an anti-climax. On Wednesday, the midfielder came up with his first international goal in three years to save India the ignominy of dropping two points in their first match of the AFC Challenge Cup against minnows Afghanistan. His last goal for India came against Bangladesh in the group stages of the 2005 SAFF Cup in Pakistan. I give credit for the goal to Bob Houghton, says Lawrence. Last time in Portugal, he told me that I should look for scoring opportunities. I have been working on that for quite sometime and the results came today. One could see the change during the inaugural I-league season itself when Lawrence scored a brace, his first strike for Dempo in over two years, against JCT to help his team win. He also scored a goal against Gouveia Select during India's tour of Portugal last month. With the clubs beginning to recruit foreign strikers, India's current goalkeeping coach Marcus Pacheco, who was then the coach of Salgaocar, converted Lawrence into a midfielder in 2000 and the change in position proved to be the Goans trump card. Lawrence broke into the national side in 2002 under India's foreign coach Stephen Constantine and has not missed a single game except when he was out for over six months due to an ankle injury in 2005. Houghton also pointed at the midfielder's ability to play games after games with the same intensity during the post match conference. He is one of my favourite players since he gives his 100 per cent, Houghton said. The Navelim-born Lawrence credits his first coach Mickdom Rebello for all his success. Micky began coaching me when I was 12 and he changed my approach towards football, says the man who idolizes Spanish midfielder Xavi. In fact, Lawrence has even decided to name his child as Rylan Xavi. http://www.hindustantimes.com/StoryPage/StoryPage.aspx?id=fded15de-56a8-40a4-acb6-9eefd7704813
[Goanet] Mobile Fone Question: Goa
Wondering if anyone on the GoaNet knows what mobile fones work in Goa: You need to determine as to who the GSM operator is in GOA, and ask if above band's are operational. And what are preferred providerscosts economy etc. Many thanks in advance. When walking through the Margao garden, one couldn't be caught with a unstylish instrument no? My friend Bombil-jii thinks all the dolls from Velim to Betalbatim will be impressed with a chaka-chak imported mobil fone!
Re: [Goanet] Notes from the Goan Convention
Well, I am just back from a couple of days outside the province. A lot of stuff has been posted re: the above issue. I will answer the post-dated cheque (did it bounce?), the visa for the woman and other issues. Eugene
[Goanet] Goans selling houses
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 17:17:10 + From: Albert Desouza [EMAIL PROTECTED] We goans have the habbit of preaching. We are just emotional. Take an example of a big portuguese house which was actually built to accomodate at least three to four big families. Big halls, big dinning rooms garden etc etc. now worth say forty lakhs or more. Most of the sons have gone to Canada, Australia, US New Zealand. Only one nuclear family lives over there. The family made up of just four members and the head of the family and his wife working in Goa may be each drawing twenty thousand. Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 05:02:44 +0530 (IST) From: lenny dsouza [EMAIL PROTECTED] My advice to all is that if you think the price is right for you go ahead and sell, because the cash to in hand means that you can buy something else, day by day the power of buy with a rupee is decreasing. Its time we live peacefully and not bother if our neighbour is catholic or not as long as he is living peacefully in his house. Catholic and non catholic have lived in harmony for over hundred years in goa, why are we today pointing fingers at them, was the state of goa, not hindu, before the portuguese came, and was there no mogul raj on it, my request to all goans is just dont try to dig graves, as there are many skeletons there, which will only escalate things. Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 08:34:43 +0530 From: Ana Maria de souza-Goswami How will goans be 'poverty-stricken' by selling property. What they do with the money is nobody's business. Parents can sell the property because it belongs to them and not the children, and besides if most of the children are living overseas and do not want to come back to Goa, why can't they sell the property especially those who need the money. If it hadn't been for rich Indians and foreigners who have bought our ancestral homes, they would have gone to seed. Mario observes: Dear Albert, Lenny and Ana Maria, You three have all NAILED it, mi amigos, each in your own inimitable words. Thank you for these pithy but incisive commentaries based on R-E-A-L-I-T-Y, as compared with the E-M-O-T-I-O-N and S-E-N-T-I-M-E-N-T we have seen from some on this issue. I wish we would hear more often from Goans like Albert and Lenny and Ana Maria, who seem to cut to the chase and look at things from a practical angle and trust that people will do what is in the best interests of themselves and their families. Of course, you will continue to hear my never-humble opinions until they plant me 6 feet under or incinerate me as the case may be:-)) Bernice, I also respect your decision because it is based on what you truly believe, not on someone else's opinion who has nothing to do with you or your property. I hope you see that others may not be walking in your chappals. All I can say to Arwin is that the evidence shows that there are numerous Goan identities, and there are new ones emerging from the influx of new-Goans. You are obviously free to cling to your own Goan identity. After all, it is yours. Ana Maria wrote: Please lets end this subject of selling ancestral land and tackle other issues, as garbage, rash driving, etc. Mario observes: While I have no problem with people expressing their deeply held opinions on any subject, which others can counter or comment on if they wish to, I agree with Ana Maria that there are far more pressing issues that affect daily life in Goa, as well as major issues like corruption in obtaining building permits and licenses and defacing the Goan countryside. I am always happy when decent individuals, regardless from where they hail, appreciate my ancestral homeland enough to want to live there, invest their money there and improve the houses they buy there. Isn't that the ultimate compliment to our homeland? After being a part of American diversity for 37 years now, I am always amazed when some of my countrymen, some of whom have experienced western diversity themselves, are so determined, when it comes to India, to continue the five thousand year tradition of building walls between different people who are their ethnic kin using the most obscene reasons imaginable. Regarding the concerns that some have expressed, my position is that most people in Goa who decide to sell will sell their properties responsibly and use the money responsibly for the benefit of themselves and their families, notwithstanding the odd person who is profligate.
[Goanet] Just ran into this... useful resources for learning langauges
Telephone Phrases in Portuguese http://www.palabea.net/lectures/416 -- FN * Independent Journalist http://fn.goa-india.org Software for Kids Blog: http://softwareforkids.wordpress.com
[Goanet] Where have the Toronto Goans gone? (Victor Rangel-Ribeiro in Times of India, Panjim)
Where have the Toronto Goans gone? Goans from the US, Australia and Goa attended the Goan International Convention in Toronto. Despite the small group, there was a buzz of activities and bonds of friendships renewed VICTOR RANGEL RIBEIRO Times News Network Consider this paradox: A Goan International Convention is held in Toronto, Canada, a city that with its suburbs claims a Goan population of 20,000, and is home to the Goan Overseas Association. You would expect attendance in the hundreds, if not the thousands, right? Now look at who showed up for the convention held in Mississauga, a Toronto suburb, between July 23 to 26: Nascimento Caldeira came from Melbourne, Australia; Virginia Bras e Gomes from Lisbon; Cornel da Costa, his daughter Joana, Renee Barretto and two others flew from London; George Pinto and Filomena Giese and eight others from California; three flew in from Wisconsin as well. NRI Commissioner Eduardo Faleiro, fashion guru Wendell Rodricks, architect Dean D'Cruz, State Bank manager Trevor Fernandes, cartoonist Alexyz, and a 14-person mando troupe came from faraway Goa. My wife and I drove 1,600 kilometres to get there, 800 each way. At the end of that hard 11-hour drive we found, not hundreds, but just 80 or so registrants who attended the workshops and presentations.Thirty-nine of these were from outside Canada, another six were from such distant Canadian cities like Vancouver and Quebec. Of the remaining 35, most were from Mississauga; only a handful were from Toronto itself, even though that city is only 40 kms away. The low numbers did not dampen the enthusiasm, as guiding spirits Kevin and Lisette Saldanha, along with Ben Antao, Francis and Clare Rodrigues, Bosco De Mello, Mervyn Lobo, and Walter Tavares kept things flowing. Participants in Wendell's fashion workshops came away enthused; the thirteen at my writing sessions kept demanding more. Audiences were stirred by the screening of The Rape of Goa, and Dean's presentations of environmental and architectural issues and of Clinton Vaz's pictorial essay on Goa's garbage crisis. Konkani received a push. Alexyz's fabled cartoons lined the walls of an entire room. Novelist Ben Antao presided over book launches that included Marinella Proenca's Heart Beat, Alexyz's Goa, Goan, Goaing, Gone?, Cheryl Antao-Xavier's Dance of the Peacock, Ben's own novel, Living in the Market, and his travelogue, The Islands of Sicily. A new book titled Goa: Aparanta -- Land Beyond the End, was also unveiled. Christine Pinto and Lea Rangel-Ribeiro spoke on identity and the diaspora; Coralie D'Souza unfortunately was taken ill as she began to speak. Francis Rodrigues conducted a music workshop and a session on Goan music. He also introduced the Lady Mayor of Mississauga and NRI Commissioner Faleiro. The Mayor praised Goans' contribution to the city; Faleiro promised to give NRGs a seat on various boards. Evening events included a beauty contest and Goan Idol. Both drew a crowd. A mando performance was well received, as was a Konkani tiatr that ended at 1 am. Close to 400 attended the Saturday night ball, proving once again that we Goans, while blessed with two extremities, prefer to cultivate the one that lies closest to the ground. Attendees agreed the convention had been a success. New friendships were formed, old bonds renewed. Best of all, Renee Barretto announced plans for yet another conference next year, this time in London. http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Default/Scripting/ArticleWin.asp?From=ArchiveSource=PageSkin=TOIBaseHref=TOIGO/2008/08/07PageLabel=17EntityId=Ar01700ViewMode=HTMLGZ=T
[Goanet] Goanet: ABC Beaches of Goa (Anjuna-Baga-Calangute)
Thanks Dominic, Nice to hear from you after long time. If the Anjuna beach you talking about in not included is this clip then I must have really missed it altogether. I must visit it soon. In this one (ABC beaches) photos were taken at the Ajuna beach at Wednesday Flea market. http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=MB3vpFffw9k Is this the beach or the shore you are talking about? Please let me know. thanks. Quote: Dear Joe, Many thanks for posting the clippings on ABC Beaches of Goa - Anjuna-Baga-Calangute. I viewed the clippings of Anjuna beach several times but could not see the shore; there can't be a beach without a shore. Obviously, you did not visit Anjuna beach - you visited Anjuna rocks. Anjuna beach is around three hundred meters from the colorful shops you showed on your clippings. It's not only you but most people who visit Anjuna land on the spot you visited and think it is the Anjuna beach. We have a beautiful beach with a large shore where people bathe freely. The Flea Market takes place adjacent to Anjuna beach shore - not adjacent to the rocks shown on the clippings. Miss Scarlett’s dead body was found on the shore of Anjuna beach – not among rocks. When you are in the North next, please visit actual Anjuna beach and re-post the clippings. When in Anjuna, please call me on my mobile 9420979201 - landline (0832)2274954. You are doing a wonderful service to the Goan community. Please keep up the good work. Moi-mogan, Domnic Fernandes Gaumvaddy, Anjuna ABC Beaches of Goa (Anjuna-Baga-Calangute) Calangute beach http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8MzXi-k4YI Anjuna beach http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=iXgvVyYHPCE Baga http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=xVux-m224jg Another ABC (all in one) http://youtube.com/watch?v=MB3vpFffw9k [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa __ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html
[Goanet] Oscar Rebello: I am a social activist by accident (Arti Das, in Gomantak Times)
Oscar Rebello: I am a social activist by accident 'You can remove the Goan from the GBA but you can never remove GBA from the Goan.' This was the candid statement made by former convenor of the Goa Bachao Abhiyan, Dr Oscar Rebello. In a tete-a-tete with ARTI DAS, he spoke at length about the GBA, Goan politics and the art of being happy. Q: Can you tell us about the experience of being convenor of the GBA and what you learnt from it? It was a wonderful experience. Actually, I am a social activist by accident. I thought of joining it during the tree-cutting incident at Taleigao that resulted in the arrest of Patricia Pinto and Satish Sonak. I really admire the work of these social workers and I don't think I had the time and commitment towards it because of my practice -- as I am a full-time physician. You have to study laws and acquaint yourself with the social problems afflicting the people. But, I never had time for that. Also, it was nice to see different people with different ideologies joining hands for a common cause. Q: The GBA went through two phases -- first, when it opposed the Regional Plan 2011 and second, when it was part of the process to formulate a new plan. Which was more difficult? The first phase was much easier as it is very easy to destroy something. The latter part of construction was quite difficult. It was so because it had different viewpoints and opinions. It was difficult to come at any consensus. People of Goa were really disturbed and somehow I felt that we were squeezed between the people of Goa and the government. Q: During the whole process you got a chance to interact with politicians on a more personal level. Has this changed your opinion about politicians? Personally, I never hated politicians. Their lives are quite different and are very much committed towards their work. However, there are some who are taking Goans for a ride. Our aim at GBA was to guard against politicians' attempting to hijack our movement. Being part of the Task Force, I interacted with many politicians and they really gave some valuable suggestions. Politicians like Matanhy Saldanha, Manohar Parrikar, Mauvin Godinho and Victoria Fernandes had some good ideas. But, there are politicians who play games to come in power. Q: GBA made you more famous than you already were. Of course, your skills as a public speaker also helped. Are there any chances of you joining active politics in the near future? Being a good orator does not mean you are a good politician. As I said before, I don't have time for that social commitment. And I think that I am a good communicator who did the job of passing our message to the society, and I did only that. I believe that my contribution to the GBA is just two per cent. The rest of the groundwork was done by the other members. It is just that the media needed a face for the organization and that was mine. For me, politics is a totally different ball-game altogether. It requires a lot of study of the matter, commitment and I don't think that I am equipped for that. Q: Do you think that the GBA should have been dismantled soon after the Regional Plan 2011 was scrapped by the government? GBA was not some association but an idea that brought people together. If we had to dismantle it after the scrapping of the Regional Plan, then it would have been like shunning our responsibilities. It was very important to work towards the solutions and participate in the process. Q: Is your resignation a result of the failure to bring about a consensus in the GBA on certain issues? Yes I accept it as my personal failure. I feel that I couldn't hold people together and also couldn't push forward my viewpoints forcefully. But I am now not in a mood to join back. At the same time, I am of the opinion that I did my best. There is a lot of distrust now. I hope the new Regional Plan 2021 will come up as a healthy plan. I think ideally we need environmentalists, social activists, builders, mine owners, and people from every field to sit together and come up with an ideal solution. But, for this, you need an honest government. Q: What do you have to say about Goa's current social structure? And what are your suggestions to bring about harmony? If you look around then you will realize that Goans are not happy with the current situation. The most important solution is that we should all respect the law of the land. Here, you will find people breaking laws to get their work done, which makes the situation more chaotic. People should be more responsible towards it. The other aspect is the environmental conservation of Goa to maintain its natural beauty. Lastly, we must address the economic issues more strongly. For example, if we put a ban on mining activities, then at the same time we should introduce an alternative, thus no one suffers. Q: It is always said that government is a reflection of the people. So, do you think that we got the government we deserve? Yes, you can say
Re: [Goanet] [Goanet-News] Why did Oscar, Patricia and Ritu resign? (Herald)
Anyone in the public arena knows that there will always be criticism alongside the praise. Oscar, Partricia and Rit have done Goa great service and they will always have my respect. There is no need to go into detrails as to why they resigned. That is is their personal decision and it should be respected. What is deplorable is how a few Goans who sit and do nothing for Goa criticise and get personal with people who are doing things for the better. It is a shame that we entertain such people on the net who hide behind group names or false names. It is thanks to these fw that upright people like Oscar get disillusioned and discoraged There is a lot of muck on Goanet and it is best to ignore the tripe from the real matters concerning Goa that Goanet is an excellent forum for. There are many who may gloat about what has happened and Oscar's resignation. But we should not let them get away with that. We must continue to fight for what is the best for Goa. To people like Oscar, Patricia and Ritu.thank you for all you have done for our beloved Goa. There was no need for for you to take so much time to do this at the cost of your own professional time. But you did it. And it has benifitted all Goans and Goa. For that God bless you and rest assured there are many people like me who appreciate your contribution and are grateful for what you continue to do Wendell Rodricks On 05/08/2008, Goanet News [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 2008 Toronto International Goan Convention Theme: Goan Identity And Networking Today. http://2008goanconvention.com/index.php Mario Miranda Festival, July 24-26, 2008 Old GMC Building http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-July/077732.html * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * http://www.oheraldo.in/pagedetails.asp?nid=7956cid=2 Quote: Alongside this entire process, a strong campaign of accusations against the three -- a number of them being personal slurs on their character -- was being conducted over e-mail, and even being posted on public forums like the Goanet, a large e-group. What disheartened them further was that some members of the GBA core group were leading participants in this campaign. Why did Oscar, Patricia and Ritu resign? SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT PANJIM, AUG 4 — What were the issues that caused Dr Oscar Rebello to resign as Convenor of the Goa Bachao Abhiyan (GBA), and his colleagues Patricia Pinto and Ritu Prasad to step down as the GBA's representatives on the Task Force for the Regional Plan (RP) 2021? According to informed sources, the core group of the GBA had differences over what was meant by preparation of RP2021 with public participation as envisaged by the 73rd and 74th Constitutional Amendments, which prescribe that bodies of local self government— like municipal councils, panchayats and zilla panchayats— should play a major role in developing these plans. No precedent The problem is, nowhere else in the country have regional plans been formulated according to these amendments, so Goa would have to work out a model from scratch. Earlier, during initial deliberations of the Task Force, the GBA had proposed that a pilot study be conducted in a few villages and municipalities, to develop a procedure for this consultation. But the bodies chosen for the purpose -- the Council for Social Justice and Peace and the Panchayati Raj group -- were not registered societies, and therefore not eligible to receive government funds directly. Finally, the Peaceful Society at Marcaim offered to come forward and receive the money on their behalf. But while the government wanted audited accounts of the project funds, the Peaceful Society said it would have to submit audited accounts for the society as a whole to the Registrar of Societies at year-end, and could not give accounts with original bills to the government for just this project, or it stood to lose its registration. In the melee, the pilot project fell through. After a major hiccup in between, when the GBA core group 'rejected' the recommendations of the Task Force in his absence and Dr Oscar offered to quit, the differences were patched up and the GBA team in the Task Force got down to work in earnest once more. Broadbased planning They prepared a detailed note for the Task Force. It noted the difficulties in implementing planning methodology according to the 73rd and 74th amendments, since the socio-economic Five Year Plans, which should be the basis for the preparation of the Regional Plan, have already been formulated top-down, rather than bottom-up, till 2012. They therefore proposed a detailed consultative process for broadbasing the RP 2021 provisions, by requiring the Task Force, in the true spirit of democracy, to explain the plan proposals to the people at the grassroots level through the local bodies, and by incorporating a 'Taluka Committee' into the planning process.
[Goanet] Mobile Fone Question: Goa
Apologies, I copied your query and posted it. Here are the providers, Goa Airtel - @airtelmail.com http://www.airtelmail.com/ Goa BPLMobil - @bplmobile.com http://www.bplmobile.com/ Goa Idea Cellular - @ideacellular.net http://www.ideacellular.net/IDEA.portal Here is the answers on the dual band operations information; for further information, please read the RFI (Request For Information documents): Loaded with complete 2.5G GSM/GPRS voice and data capacity, the super-thin MOD 9002 GSM/GPRS modem is designed to fit your needs. From rough-and-tumble automotive to industrial applications, this is the platform that does it all. The MOD 9002 GSM/GPRS modem offers data flow with high-performance (GPRS Class 2 or Class 10) and are available in 900/1800 MHz dual band operations. The MOD 9002 GSM/GPRS modem is optimized for use as the best for wireless Automotive and Machine-to-Machine applications Regards - From: Pandu Lampiao [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Mobile Fone Question: Goa Date: 2008-08-07 15:08:37 GMT (3 hours and 13 minutes ago) Wondering if anyone on the GoaNet knows what mobile fones work in Goa: You need to determine as to who the GSM operator is in GOA, and ask if above band's are operational.
[Goanet] Goanet: Mobile Fone Question: Goa
Goanet: Mobile Fone Question: Goa I have used several phones in Goa and never had a problem with it. Most Nokia works inlcuding the older models like 2000, 3000 series. Singlle band , dual band or triband all works here. All you need to make sure is that your phone set/unit is unlocked from your foreign network provider. Most foreign network where it comes as bundle etc they lock you in. But this can be unclocked by payment say Rs.500 to 1000. Some latest models may not be able to unlock as it takes sometime to get the software to unlock. E.g. UK new 3g were not able to unclock for the first few weeks but later on one could get it unclocked by paying 5 pound more. How to know you phone is locked? Just intechange the sim card with a sim card from a diffrent network provider. The message wil say ' fail to register' etc that means it is locked. If you are able to dial or receive calls then it is most proabely is unlocked. Do the test before leaving your country. As in Goa they may not be able to unlock it specially the latest models. In Goa unloking charge are Rs.500 to 1000. In Goa you can use any network sim card. eg. Ideal, Airtel, Bsnl etc. But not Reliance and Tata Indicom as they supply their own sets CDMA. New sim card cost around Rs.199 and pay another 199 and you get life time incoming free. (Provide you top by at least once in 3 month or 6 month) Charge per call: Re.1 local call landline or cross network Rs.1.50 std calls Rs. 7.20 to Uk land line Max per minute ISD charge is 12/minute e.g. gulf etc Any other info, pl feel free to ask. tips: Memory cards are usually cheaper in Goa/India. Same top brands like scandisk etc Anyone can buy sim card in Goa. all you need is your ID like passport, driving license. Always go for pre-paid. Post-paid may neqwuire addtional docs like biils etc Did you know? In the year 2000/01, when I first had my phone in Goa (ATT, now Idea) The call charge was Rs.5 per minute local. Again, there was charge of Rs.2.50/minute for incoming calls too. fyi, I still use nokia 3330, 5210, 6100. Quote: Wondering if anyone on the GoaNet knows what mobile fones work in Goa: You need to determine as to who the GSM operator is in GOA, and ask if above band's are operational. Many thanks in advance. When walking through the Margao garden, one couldn't be caught with a unstylish instrument no? My friend Bombil-jii thinks all the dolls from Velim to Betalbatim will be impressed with a chaka-chak imported mobil fone! [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa __ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html
[Goanet] Vows: Anu Lala and Arvind Trindade (New York Times)
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/03/fashion/weddings/03VOWS.html?scp=1sq=Trindadest=cse Vows Anu Lala and Arvind Trindade John Marshall Mantel for The New York Times CENTRAL PARK, JULY 19 The couple at their reception at Tavern on the Green. More Photos By LOIS SMITH BRADY Published: August 3, 2008 FOR Dr. Anu Lala, 27, and Dr. Arvind Trindade, 28, the transition from best friends to more-than-friends was as difficult as walking on lily pads or embroidering a silk sari. They met in 2002 as first-year medical students at the New Brunswick campus of the University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey, and soon chose each other — as study buddies. Both could outlast almost anybody in the library, but they were also willing to stop studying sometimes. We both love medicine, Dr. Lala said, but not in a nerdy way. We were like, 'Let's finish this chapter and go rent a movie,' whereas other people in med school were like, 'Let's finish this chapter and go read another chapter.' Sometimes during study breaks, they would go to the nearby Barnes Noble bookstore, where Dr. Lala, who has a voice as melodious as her name, would read aloud excerpts from her favorite novels. While she was growing up in Wyckoff, N.J., in a traditional, tightknit Hindu family, her parents and brother would gather on Sunday nights and read essays, poems and interesting newspaper articles to one another. As a child, she also learned Sanskrit and traditional Indian dancing, which she still does, along with hip-hop dancing and stand-up comedy. Briefly, she had thought that Dr. Trindade, whose family is from the state of Goa in India, a former Portugese colony, might be the Hindu dude she had always imagined marrying. We liked each other from the get-go, she said. We clicked. But when I found out he was not Hindu, but in fact Christian, I thought, 'Well, it's over.' Dr. Lala, who often adds quotes from her favorite Hindu philosophers and poets at the bottom of her e-mail messages, said she feared that her parents would disapprove and she did not want to disappoint them. Anu is full of life, a great sense of humor, very versatile and duty-conscious, said Harish Alwani, a cousin of Dr. Lala's. She's a family person. Her parents are her world. She and Dr. Trindade, who grew up attending a Roman Catholic church in Princeton, N.J., continued studying together, with a friends-only agreement. I just couldn't stop hanging out with her, he said. I could tell her anything. With Anu, I was uninhibited. If I was sad, she could make me happy. If I was happy, she could make me happier. By their second year of medical school, they were spending even more time together. And when they weren't together, Dr. Trindade said, he thought about her all the time. So one afternoon when they sat down to study after a yoga class he asked her, What are we? She didn't know the answer. There's no denying we're in a relationship, and we're lying to each other if we don't acknowledge things,' she remembered his telling her. Dr. Lala said she was quiet for awhile and then asked him, What do you suggest we do? He suggested they try becoming boyfriend and girlfriend. Later, he walked her home. We were holding hands, and it felt good to hold his hand, but really awkward, she said. I knew he was going to kiss me. I remember being very wide-eyed and feeling very flushed. But at the same time, it felt right. They dated for a year, but she remained conflicted. I'd call my brother crying and say, 'Should I end this?' she said. He'd say, 'It's wonderful, and you don't end things that are wonderful.' Dr. Lala added, I kept thinking: 'What's going to happen? We can never get married. My dad would freak out.' I never talked to my dad about it. I talked to my mother, who talked to my father. In their third year of medical school, she transferred to the New Jersey medical school's Camden campus, hoping to get distance between herself and Dr. Trindade, and maybe get over him. Instead, she really missed him. She summed up their third year this way: We continued to see each other, we continued to love each other's company and I continued to freak out about it. I talked about it so much, anyone else would have said, 'O.K., let's just end it.' Skip to next paragraph Multimedia Vows | Anu Lala and Arvind TrindadeSlide Show Vows | Anu Lala and Arvind Trindade But Dr. Trindade waited patiently the way some people wait in traffic jams, unperturbed. I didn't know if she would come around, he said. I just hoped that as our relationship grew stronger, it would overcome the barrier. Then, one afternoon in Camden, she was on a psychiatry rotation and interviewed a depressed patient about loneliness. I literally excused myself and called my mother, she recalled. I said: 'What am I doing? I'm so deep into this. I can't imagine my life without him.' I asked, 'Do I have your approval?' And she said, 'When you're with him, do you miss anyone else? Do you feel complete?'
[Goanet] Who is that beautiful girl?
Who is that beautiful girl? http://tinyurl.com/5pr8bq Well, we were seating/surfing in a Delhi Cybercafe, sunddenly a beautiful young girl came in and took the computer/terminal almost next to me (the only vacant available). I smiled, she smiled too. I was over the top. I only came here to check my mail say for 15 minutes but stayed on till she finished hers. I keep looking at her but she never looked at me again. She was busy with her work on the PC. I wanted to talk to her but had no guts to do so. Suddenly, she left and I did not notice when. May be she was looking at me when she left? Don’t know where the guts come from, I actually dialed her number from my mobile. ‘Hi, it’s me! - Who? The one who was seating next to you just now in the cybercafé.. - What happen? Have I left something behind on the desk? No, I was just wondering if I can be your friend… - Sorry, right now I am with my boyfriend, bye. A minute later.. My cell is ringing… it’s her number in the display. I was over the moon again. I answered; Hi - How did you get my number? Well, your entry was just below mine on the Cybercafé Register - You fool Am I? (said to myself) In Delhi, that what you can do, I mean phone any one or even visit anybody’s home. For this, just visit any cybercafé and have a look on the register. No cybercafé in Delhi ( at least the area where we stayed ‘Pahar Ganj’) will allow you without your ID. The only acceptable IDs are Passport and Driving License. Bank Photo card, PAN cards etc are not accepted. They will check your ID card/passport and then take a photocopy of it for their records. That’s not all. They will also make you to write your personal details like full name, full address and Tel. no. on their registers. Come 15th August, they say even the pay-phone users are required to provided the ID details. Hotels too very strict. Every guest should provide his or her ID card of which they will take photo copies for their records besides full written details on the hotel registers. They insist on full postal address with contact number. So, if you find a nice girl or a woman or for that matter a handsome man (for ladies etc) in any cybercafé or hotel etc I sure you know how to get his or her contact details. Or if you get a strange sms or miss call on your cell or a nice card or a love letter by post or a parcel or some flowers at your doorstep from an anonymous person or admirer, at least you know how he/she got your details (if you visited cybercafés or recently been staying in a hotel) [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa __ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html
Re: [Goanet] Goans selling houses
Mario Goveia wrote: My advice to all is that if you think the price is right for you go ahead and sell, because the cash to in hand means that you can buy something else, day by day the power of buy with a rupee is decreasing. Folks, Inflation in India is running at an annual rate of 10%. This means that within seven years of selling his ancestral property, a person will be left with cash that is worth next to nothing. Unless a person can take his money and make a return of more than 10%, every year, the person's wealth will decrease. He will soon find himself broke AND homeless. Of course, you will continue to hear my never-humble opinions until they plant me 6 feet under or incinerate me as the case may be:-)) Mario, I invite you to visit me and let your opinions be known even after you are gone ;-) Mervyn3.0 __ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com.
Re: [Goanet] Young Jesuit Saints
Gilbert Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any religion honoring individuals as 'saints' is no different from other scientific fields which honors those who made a major contribution to the particular field; or fundamentally inspired others; or shifted the line of thinking leading to a paradigm shift in perspective. Dr.Santosh Helekar commented: The above equation of religion and science is absolutely wrongheaded. In no way is religion a scientific field nor is it in any way like a scientific field. *** As usual, Dr.Santosh is sounding his trumpet of slogans of conflict between Science and Religion. The parallelism between the Saints who have devoted their lives to the betterment of humankind and the Scientists who have devoted their skills to the uplift of the quality of life is valid. The Church calls Saints those who have lived a quality of life and worked for the betterment of the society. Science will praise those who have discovered new scientific-technological discoveries and have raised the standard of life. Science does not revere any scientist as a saint, no matter how eminent. ***Certainly not, that is the task of the Church. It simply recognizes his or her scientific contribution, and fully expects others to modify or improve upon it. ***Logically so, because Science deals with scientific skills. For example, unlike a religious committee that recognizes a saint, a Nobel prize committee does not have to certify that a new science prize winner has performed two miracles. ***Quite right, because Nobel Prize Committee does not canonize Saints. The contributions of scientists are supported by objective evidence. ***That is why it is called scientific field. They do not rely on supernatural entities and mechanisms, and they can always be confirmed or falsified by others. If falsified, the natural explanations that were inferred from them have to be modified or replaced by better supported ones. ***That is the definition of the scientific methodology applied to natural phenomena. Science grows step by step through the scientific hypotheses and theoretical models. Supernatural beings go beyond the scientific realm. This is not true of supernatural explanations and miracles, which are accepted entirely based on faith. ***Let me correct the statement: Miracles are assessed by scientific procedures as being extraordinary events, beyond the reach of of physical laws. They will be called miracles by theological authorities who ascribe these events to God through the intercession of the Saints. They are accepted with prudence. All human means should be used in the case. Miracles do not discredit Science. They are signs of God's existence. There is no conflict between the scientific discoveries and Faith. Regards. Fr.Ivo
[Goanet] Goa news for August 8, 2008
Goa News from Google News and Goanet.org Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories. *** Unattached MLA inducted into Goa government - Hindu [Aug 5, 2008] PANAJI: Unattached MLA of the United Goans Democratic Partys (UGDP) Atanasio Monserrate was on Tuesday inducted into the Congress-led coalition government ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/3-0fd=Rurl=http://www.hindu.com/2008/08/06/stories/2008080656201300.htmcid=1233357156ei=e4WbSPWuJ6PKgAOF1KHyBAusg=AFQjCNGG6prF4ol9IHEsgyJPdaC3ZHjiGQ *** Scarlett murder case: Goa court issues notice to police - Press Trust of India [Aug 5, 2008] Panaji, Aug 5 (PTI) A court here today issued notice to police following a complaint filed by a Goa-based NGO against Fiona Mackeown, mother of deceased ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/2-0fd=Rurl=http://www.ptinews.com/pti%5Cptisite.nsf/0/10AF80EB8E42D55A6525749C0050A82F?OpenDocumentcid=1233857457ei=e4WbSPWuJ6PKgAOF1KHyBAusg=AFQjCNFtnV_eNQBbwv5lzqa1FhSkmUmv-g *** Anti-diabetes project for Goa soon - Times of India [Aug 4, 2008] The government's role is only to provide them space at the Goa Medical College, Kamat said. The staff of the state health services department will ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/8-0fd=Rurl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Goa/Anti-diabetes_project_for_Goa_soon/articleshow/3326494.cmscid=1233649292ei=e4WbSPWuJ6PKgAOF1KHyBAusg=AFQjCNGBtxykjp4hXw8z8NSP2P1d2ve1VA *** Global recession hits Goa tourism industry - Economic Times [Aug 5, 2008] 5 Aug, 2008, 1310 hrs IST, PTI PANAJI: Global recession has badly hit Goa's tourism industry forcing almost 20 percent downfall in tourist arrival to the ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/5-0fd=Rurl=http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/News/News_By_Industry/Services/Global_recession_hits_Goa_tourism_industry/articleshow/3328409.cmscid=1233684127ei=e4WbSPWuJ6PKgAOF1KHyBAusg=AFQjCNEjMO1jgZpRK90ygqgijYEC3sueKw *** Mother of murdered Goa teen accused of neglect - AFP [Aug 5, 2008] ... A social welfare group asked a court Tuesday to charge the mother of a 15-year-old British girl who was raped and killed in India's Goa with neglect. ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/4-0fd=Rurl=http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5iUZGwgzny1Vi8BMQS3bM_6dSA7gAcid=0ei=e4WbSPWuJ6PKgAOF1KHyBAusg=AFQjCNESzAwFQRbISlDOK80Jl7GdExR2dg *** Goa\'s complete online news edition - Thursday, August 07, 2008 - Herald Publications [13 hours ago] Chinese workers prepare fireworks outside the National Stadium, also known as the Birds Nest, ahead of the opening ceremony of the 2008 Beijing Olympics ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/0-0fd=Rurl=http://oheraldo.in/pagedetails.asp?nid=8037cid=1cid=1234607772ei=e4WbSPWuJ6PKgAOF1KHyBAusg=AFQjCNHEKWb4PuTWQaw_v2WQ_367vT4viw *** RTI case: Goa HC stays Information Commissioner\'s order on ... - Indlaw.com [Aug 6, 2008] The debate whether Goa Governor SC Jamir's confidential report to the Center on political developments in the state come under the purview of the Right to ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/9-0fd=Rurl=http://www.indlawnews.com/Newsdisplay.aspx?4fbf4a2c-a52f-484e-b9b6-3017ced8e6e2cid=0ei=e4WbSPWuJ6PKgAOF1KHyBAusg=AFQjCNFIsgnSSPuwZDWsIkqiGIdf3JK7Pw *** Goa Vacations: Backpacking Travel Tips - American Chronicle [Aug 6, 2008] Goa, the westcoast paradise in India, is an ideal destination for the backpackers. The beaches, hills, forests, and cities of Goa offer all the variety ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/7-0fd=Rurl=http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/70605cid=0ei=e4WbSPWuJ6PKgAOF1KHyBAusg=AFQjCNG3r4CwI8ZslkdXSoP59RR-iGmfjg *** Sesa Goa slumps on possible government intervention - NDTV.com [Aug 5, 2008] Sesa Goa declined 6.08% to Rs 3332 at 15:29 IST on BSE on reports the government may ask iron ore miners to sell the iron ore to steel makers through ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/6-0fd=Rurl=http://www.ndtvprofit.com/2008/08/05161357/Sesa-Goa-slumps-on-possible-go.htmlcid=0ei=e4WbSPWuJ6PKgAOF1KHyBAusg=AFQjCNGSfUNjGBvGT54HG4bywL4AWJwCbg *** Russian at IPHB refuses to leave Goa - Times of India [Aug 5, 2008] PANAJI: A 28-year-old Russian has the Russian consulate in Mumbai and the Goa government in a quandary as he refuses to leave Goa because he loves India. ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/1-0fd=Rurl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Goa/Russian_at_IPHB_refuses_to_leave_Goa/articleshow/3331345.cmscid=0ei=e4WbSPWuJ6PKgAOF1KHyBAusg=AFQjCNHifIXkYrrp9qxUsd-37cZINuNfJw Compiled by Goanet News Service http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php
Re: [Goanet] The Toronto Convention and Goanet moderation in particular
2008/8/7 Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- I'm afraid I have to apologise for prematurely starting this rumour. Faleiro, has publicaly stated in Brazil that the convention will be moving to Australia next. http://nri.in.msn.com/article.aspx?cp-documentid=1588026 Given all that has transpired in Toronto, perhaps it is for the best. Despite that, I was looking forward to being part of it in London and doing my wee bit for Goa. selma RESPONSE: I don't think you were mistaken, not one tiny bit. Today's copy/paste job by Cecil also states the same. Cornel also had claimed before today that the convention was coming to London; nothing to do with your post - Cornel was there in Toronto, so he knows what transpired. Londoners proposed but Faleiro disposed! Don't blame me, I am a small fry, have no influence with Faleiro! 'Get real' or words to that effect were posted by the Toledo samaki, we Goenkars are good at dancing and lifting the glass up. We can't and are not capable of any tangible reformation of Goa, the people living in Goa have their fate in their own hands. I am once again a happy bunny. I am also glad that Ms Filomena Giese stated that Ms Emerald Saldanha, had won the beauty pageant on her own merit. We grown ups can fight like cats and dogs, it is the youngsters that suffer sometimes, with emotional scars. My sons went through this and they don't care to mix with Goans any more. One already has an English girlfriend and the other...don't know where he is heading! Peter Giese, working as Chief Dealer at Irving Frankfurt; a German, any relation of Ms Giese? -- DEV BOREM KORUM. PRESIDENT OF KASHTIKARS. Gabe Menezes. London.
[Goanet] Government says.
Inflation crossed 12% for the first time in 13 years at 12.1% for the week ended July 26, on the back of costlier food items. This figure is actually 35 % at Aam Admi's level. LONG LIVE AA M ADMI GOVERNMENT . LONG LIVE CONG. LONG LIVE DI GU. Best regards, Dr. U. G. Barad
Re: [Goanet] Notes from the Goan Convention
I completely agree with George's observation. It is particularly paradoxical to note how Eugene Correia complains about the absence of younger generations at the Convention, and then, at the same time, engages in the ladainha of personal, social and inter-organisational petty tirades and disputes which are the main reason why young diasporic Goans stay away from these initiatives. At a more general level, I was not able to attend the Convention, but although I am sure that if I had done so, I would have a handful of constructive criticism and suggestions for improvement, I would also like to congratulate all who made it possible, especially all who volunteered. Parabens! Constantino H. Xavier New Delhi / Lisbon (currently in Verna, Goa) --- George Pinto georgejpinto at yahoo.com Sat Aug 2 21:34:50 PDT 2008 Dear Eugene I am disappointed by your Notes from the Goan Convention posts. They are vinegar posts. So much hard work, goodwill, positive accomplishments all from very fine people in the Toronto Goan community and you have overlooked that, instead we are presented negatives. I know from personal experience how difficult and time-consuming these ventures are to undertake and pull-off. Goans must be encouraging and grateful. In the near future, I will post a write-up from one of the attendees. Regards, George _ Got Game? Win Prizes in the Windows Live Hotmail Mobile Summer Games Trivia Contest http://www.gowindowslive.com/summergames?ocid=TXT_TAGHM
Re: [Goanet] The Toronto Convention and Goanet moderation in particular
Selma I was not working on a rumour! In Toronto, I was approached by Rene Barreto who informed me that he would be taking responsibility for the 2009 Convention in London. This info surprised me totally but he asked for and received my assurance on the spur of the moment that, I would support him in principle. However, I did tell him that I had a preference for a bi-annual even rather than an annual one. I particularly felt that a year was too little time to get a Convention going in London, whoever organised it. Soon after, I heard from reliable sources that there were tensions among some, regarding the running of the Convention in London and indeed there have been explicit indications of this in Goanet posts emanating from London. The fact is that, Rene has invariably been associated with World Goa Day--something that seems not to have won too much favour in London--especially with the parent Goan Association, UK. If I am wrong on this, I am sure I will be soon corrected. I had also indicated to Rene, in writing that, I could not support the concept of a World Goa Day until it clearly indicated that, it was fully committed to the eradication of caste among Catholic Goans and that he was in a strong position to do this. After the Convention in Lisbon in 2007, I was informally approached by Rene if I would run a similar event in London. I asked for details as I did not know what the genesis of the Convention was, nor had I attended in Lisbon. However, I had also indicated that I was not too keen on being a Convenor. As far as I am concerned, I would not be willing to work towards a Goan Convention in London, outside the democratic framework of the Goan Association UK. Cornel --- Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm afraid I have to apologise for prematurely starting this rumour. Faleiro, has publicaly stated in Brazil that the convention will be moving to Australia next.
Re: [Goanet] Kuwait's famed SEBY THE WINGS to perform in Kuwait
Tks Ayres for the info. Is Joao Succoro Demelo son of Carlit Mestri? I was under the impression that it was Radio Serenaders...late Carlit Mestri and his sons (elder son played all the instruments) who brought Seby to fame. Although I am not a singer now, but Carlit Mestri gave us some valuable tips for singers...be it for the school tiatr/choir. Fyi with Carlit Mestris guidance, I did sing two songs for St. Boscos Annual day tiatr..and m sure those in his band who used to have rehearsels at home gained a lot...including Seby.I did see Seby rehearsing those days! Edward Verdes Chinchinim/KSA - Original Message - From: gwasha Hi, You guys look over the horizon, and say the grass is greener yonder, You have old RADIO SERENADER'S BASS PLAYER , in your midst, You should at least acknowledge him, about Seby we have no issues, but do you think he would have stood out without the Band, Look out for the bassist of Radio Serenader's, JOAO SUCCORO DEMELO, he is the one who contributed much to Seby's singing and made him what he is today, Succor has played with the all time greats of India, from Remo,Ronny Pinto, Ronny Menezes,Just to name a few, I believe he contributed a lot Seby becoming a star, regards Ayres deSouza
Re: [Goanet] Young Jesuit Saints
--- On Thu, 8/7/08, Fr. Ivo C da Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ***Let me correct the statement: Miracles are assessed by scientific procedures as being extraordinary events, beyond the reach of of physical laws. The above statement is wrong. No scientific procedure is followed by anybody to assess any miracle. No genuine scientific field or study has ever certified any event as extraordinary, and proclaimed such a certification to be a valid scientific procedure. Cheers, Santosh
[Goanet] Oscar the savor of Goa!
This message is in reply to Message: 5, dated: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 Cheers to the posting of hAVE a nICE dAY!! Message is too Ice..just nICE. Best regards, Dr. U. G. Barad
[Goanet] Oscar Rebello: I am a social activist by accident
Dears, One thing one must admit, Dr. Oscar Rebelo can be quite forthright and candid. With his powerful oratory, innocent looks and expressive eyes, he had become the darling of the Press. He knew it , too. At the Solidarity meeting with the Naxalite turned Goa SuRaj party member, he decline to speak because the newspaers and the print media would use his face and diminish the importance of the other speakers who were more involved with Seby than him. He did right. Outside the GBA, it can still be great to be with him ... as it was in the GBA till Valentine's Day in 2008. After that every GBA meeting with him was like a date-rape ... late arrivals, early departures, sullen moments, abuse and the verge of violence on 28 July, 2008. He had become as insolent as a infatuated guy who cannot handle genuine love. The writing was on the wall. If the GBA used Oscar as its public face earlier, so are the others who are out to destroy the very image that Oscar had helped to build. To them Oscar is expendable. It becomes imperative that one man must die, for the movement to survive. Oscar will soon realise that it suits both sides to destroy his image. It took some leaders of the KPA more than a decade to regain their credibility after the 04 February, 1987, betrayal left them red-faced. The Regional Plan for Goa 2021, if it comes out in the form it is now on the drawing boards ...without the PEOPLE actually being consulted on what was being PLANNED FOR THEM by the builders, industrialists, the mine owners and the politicians with willing helpers signing off without even the concurrence of the GBA will most definitely be rejected by the People of Goa. The man and the woman in the street will want to agitate. They will look to the GBA for leadership. It is for this reason that a concerted effort is being made through the Print and the Electronic mediato defame the GBA, to break it up. Even Oscar's interview is a part of the process in which young journalists and TV crew are sucked in like floatsam in a tsunami before it strikes. I have been researching the Opinion Poll and the KPA while documenting the progress of the GBA since its inception. The tell-tale signs are there. Red herrings abound to divert the attention of the people from the REgional Plan for Goa 2021. The induction of one minister after another is used to further marginalize the marginalized ST and OBC leaders. Give the dog a bad name and shoot it in the leg. No one will accuse or abuse you. It is a dog after all. Besides the dog has a bad name! We have other red herrings, too. Then will come the tsunami of the Regional Plan 2021 worse than Regional Plan 2011. Dr. Oscar Rebelo's face will continue to be used for some more time by the media. Then it will be consigned to the dustbin of history. There will be no statue built in his honour. The Government of Goa has to this date NOT built a statue in honour of Dr. Jack de Sequeira. Rightly so. The ones who fathered the Opinion Poll by ripping the garments and raping Goa in the backrooms of their mansions, know who the REAL father is but one cannot honour a rapist with a statue, either. Nor name a road after him. He does not even get a Padma Shree! If we are NOT to be condemned to see history repeat itself, we must act now RESPONSIBLY. Why call oneself a GOAN or a PRO-Goan when one's commitment for Goa is best described as under: QUOTE I don't think I had the time and commitment towards it because of my practice -- as I am a full-time physician. UNQUOTE. So who exactly is an ANTI-Goan, my dears? Soter D'Souza who leads the shouting brigade of the GBA, Ramesh Gauns who fights the expansion of mines in Bicholim, Rama Velip who fights the re-opening of disused mines in colomb, Geraldine Fernandes who fights the mega housing projects in Benaulim, Elsy da Costa who fights against the basalt crushers in Santo Jose de Areal, Rui Araujo who fights against the Pinky shipyard in Chicalim, Sabina who fights the Casino ships or the neo chamchas of the Establishment?? Shall we have the trial by the media that is busy celebrating vana-mahotsav with plants on its front pages and editorials this season? If one calls oneself a Goan, it is time to ask for proof thereof. Actions speak louder than words. Give me a silent doer like Fr.Romualdo de Souza SJ any day! Mog asundi. Miguel Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 00:05:13 +0530 From: Goanet News [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] Oscar Rebello: I am a social activist by accident Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] GOMANTAK TIMES, August 7, 2008, Page A10 Contact the writer: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact the newspaper: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oscar Rebello: I am a social activist by accident Q: Can you tell us about the experience of being convenor of the GBA and what you learnt from it? I don't think I had the time and commitment towards it because of my practice -- as I am a full-time physician.
