[Goanet-News] Kala Academy programmes * Nov 8 to 14, 2008
--- Kala Academy programmes Nov 8 to 14, 2008 --- Nov 6-8: 10 am to 11.30 pm Darya Sangam Lane No.3,4 AR Foyer Area Dinanath Mangueshkar Kala Mandir, Art Gallery and Meeting Room (10 am to 7.30 pm) The Institute of Company Secretaries of India National Convention Invitees Nov 8: 7 pm to 10.30 pm Open Air Auditorium Antonio M. Araujo Tiatr Vontt Lagi Kaliz Pois Ticketed Nov 9: 10 am to 2 pm: DMKM MIL MEL NEL Production All Goa Konkani Solo Singing Competition Ticketed Nov 9: 3.30 pm to 7.30 pm DMKM Mariano Fernandes Tiatr Soglim Sopnam Gupit Ticketed Nov 9: 7.30 pm to 11.30 pm DMKM Agostinho Temudo Tiatr Police Ticketed Nov 9: 5 pm to 9.30 pm OAA Ravindra P. Chari Fusion Musical Programme Free Nov 9: 10 am to 7.30 pm A.Gallery KA-West Zone Cultural Centre Painting Exhibition Free Nov 10: 6 pm to 10 pm DMKM Gomantak Pvt. Ltd. Audio Visual Programme Free Nov 10: 6.30 pm to 10.30 pm OAA Consulate General of Portugal Portuguese Folk Programme Passes Nov 10: 10 am to 7.30 pm Art Gallery KA-West Zone Cultural Centre Painting Exhibition Free Nov 10: 10 am to 7.30 pm Jetty Prashant Later Film Shooting Invitees Nov 11: 7.30 pm to 11.30 pm DMKM M. Menezes Tiatr Nagin Ticketed Nov 11: 6 pm to 8 pm Black Box KA-PDS Swarangan Free Nov 11: 6.30 pm to 10.30 pm OAA Joaquim Monteiro Tiatr Tumchea Hatant Assa Ticketed Nov 11: 10 am to 7.30 pm Art Gallery KA-West Zone Cultural Centre Painting Exhibition Free Nov 12: 7.30 pm to 11.30 pm DMKM Jacob Fernandes Tiatr Ami Chuklim Ticketed Nov 12: 10 am to 7.30 pm Art Gallery KA-West Zone Cultural Centre Painting Exhibition Free Nov 13: 6.30 pm to 10.30 pm DMKM Consulate General of Portugal Musical Programme, Fados Passes Nov 13: 10 am to 7.30 pm Art Gallery KA-West Zone Cultural Centre Painting Exhibition Free Nov 14: 4 pm to 7.30 pm DMKM Priyanka Rane Childern Dance Programme Free Nov 14: 7 pm to 11 pm OAA Socorro Fernandes Tiatr Hanv Porot Ietelim Ticketed Nov 14: 10 am to 7.30 pm Art Gallery Meghamala A. Chanekar Painting Exhibition Free Nov 14: 8 am to 12 noon Lane No 4 Directorate of Health Service World Diabetes Day Free -- FN * Independent Journalist http://fn.goa-india.org Blog: http://fredericknoronha.wordpress.com Tech links from South Asia: http://twitter.com/fn M: +91-9822122436 P: +91-832-2409490 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ MORE UPDATES http://groups.google.com/group/whazzupgoa?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~--- -- FN * Independent Journalist http://fn.goa-india.org Blog: http://fredericknoronha.wordpress.com Tech links from South Asia: http://twitter.com/fn M: +91-9822122436 P: +91-832-2409490
[Goanet] Maka Kityak (Why should I bother)?
Maka Kityak? (based on First they came… a poem attributed to Martin Niemöller. I was first re-introduced to this poem about 2 years ago by Dr. Samir Kelekar) When they falsely accused the young boys of an engineering college of gang rape, I remained silent about their rights. I was not one of them. I wasn't the one who would be scarred for life. I was not their father, mother, sister or brother either. Maka Kityak? When they falsely accused the priest of molesting a young girl in Ribandar, I remained silent; I was not the priest, and I had also heard that the priest had befriended another woman. And I was always told that a priest must never befriend a woman. Besides, Maka Kityak? When they effectively outed the young Ribandar girl's name and that she was molested by the priest, I did not speak out; I was not the girl who would have to live the life she now has to live. Maka Kityak? When they allegedly threatened the Old Goa nuns with rape I remained silent. I was not a nun. Maka Kityak? When they effectively outed a young girl's name and stated that she was molested by politicians' relatives, I did not speak out; I was not the girl who would have to live the life she will now have to live. I am not the girl who will have to be vaginally examined over and over again and then be told that she deserved it anyway because she was a slut. Maka Kityak? and then They came for me. I told them: It is OK. Slander me, Abuse me, do whatever you have to do me After all, I am a pawn. Use me. I know. When you can ruin the reputations of the innocent, and use a young girl's misfortune by further raping her emotional being to further your own political agenda Who am I to object to your actions? Zhuzhe ( no SSC certificate but cabinet maker - hence, a potential target of High-Risk Rodriguez? ) Dear all, The above is written - with my basic position that IF anyone rapes another, he deserves to be rehabilitated in jail. No question about that. He needs some serious 'counseling' to help prevent this from happening again. But do consider what happens when we : 1: Falsely accuse another person of rape 2: 'Out' an innocent victim's name 3: Subject a young girl to repeated high pressure high profile, media intensive vaginal examinations and questioning. Do also consider the fact that Goa has enacted a flawed Children's Act in 2003 and NOT one single lawyer/activist has worked towards bringing it in line with the Indian Constitution. And that: There are NO easily accessible and confidential facilities for young girls/boys (and/or their guardians) to report a rape incident immediately - so that proper examination including DNA testing can be done on site and early. Instead, we have this Kodel drama which even outs the name of the alleged victim. On the other hand, Maka Kityak? Right? jc
[Goanet] GULAB Carols Singing Competition
KALA MOGUI KUWAIT GULAB WORKING COMMITTEE Conveys their Special Advance Greetings for the Christmas Season To All Our Supporters Konkani Loving People To make this Season A Memorable One we are organizing an unique Carol Singing Competition on 19th December 2008 (Friday) at 3:00 p.m. sharp at the Carmel School Auditorium, Kheitan, Kuwait. For details contact Tel: 66502572 / 99391452 / 24726524 or email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Entries for the competition will close on 21st November 2008 and a general meeting will be held on 22nd November 2008 (Saturday) for the participants. Goa's Pride - http://www.goa-world.com http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/gulf-goans http://www.goa-world.com/goa/gulab/
Re: [Goanet] How are you?
I am referring to Romel de Melo's request for Konkani translation of ' Hello ' . I remember we used to say ' Hey ' or ' ei ' pronounced like in English ' Hay '. Tone would change depending on the circumstance and situation. The ' Hello ' became very popular after the telephones came into the village house holds. Another thing I remember being Saxtikar is that we use and still predominantly like to say in conversation eg. ' Xit bit kelem go ' or 'Harem Barem Bazlam kitem aiz ( dry fish)' or ' Nustia ..bustia guetlem tuvem ' very commonly added ' B ' as prefix to the actual word. More examples...dore bore fodtolom, tokli bokli fodtolom, rozar bozar kelem. Thomas Coutinho
Re: [Goanet] surprise expression .
Baradbab: Dr. Jose Colaco is a Goan by birth, who is a Portuguese citizen, living in Bahamas, and who is qualified in British law. If you are still with me and not confused enough, he has a soft corner for Andamanese and the Sidhis and is against freedom fighters. Way back in 1967 or some other time (and being a stickler for unnecessary details but not the important things, I am sure he will correct me on the date), he got a lathi while he was a by stander during some agitation in Panjim. He still remembers that lathi vividly even now. He complains about Goa a lot as we have seen. His big grouse is against Bandodkar because he gave jobs to Bhaile. But then, he doesnt realize that he himself is a bhailo in Bahamas. We have seen how he has tried to defame the victim in this rape case by implicitely accussing her of faking the rape etc (using a testtube) ; but I tell you if he is sued by the victim or her mother for defamation in Florida -- a place which he often visits, he will try to wiggle out of what he said by giving some or the other excuses. He is very good at what I call dancing the kathakali dance. If he can't answer one question that you asked, he will ask you a counter question on something else. Enough said, Samir
[Goanet] Subject: BSNL services
Dear FN, BSNL has major shortcomings in the way they deal with customer grievances and their services leave much to be desired. For example, late February this year, nearly 200 telephones, including mine, from Socorro (Bardez) area went dead and along with it the broadband facility has become non-operational. After repeated visits to their Porvorim Exchange, BSNL informed the affected customers in mid-March that a fault has developed in the phone cable which is buried deep under the stretch of the NH-17 between O' Coqueiro and ICICI ATM and they need permission from National Highways Authority, Delhi, to dig up the highway and rectify the fault. As a temporary substitute they provided us with WLL phones with changed phone numbers BUT WITHOUT broadband/internet connectivity. Till today, after 8 months of denial of internet service, there is NO PROGRESS whatsoever. I for one had no option but to go for a slow dial-up internet facility with a private ISP at a cost of Rs.525/- plus taxes per month so that I could access the internet for emails, web-surfing and net banking purposes. Admittedly, their (BSNL) tariff for services is much lower than private ISPs but their lethargy in these days of CHANDRAYAN-1 puts us right back to the bullock-cart age. Best wishes and regards, SILVAN D'SA, Ambirna, Socorro. Tel: 6454868 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 16:05:07 +0530 From: Frederick [FN] Noronha * [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] BSNL services While BSNL, the GoI-run service provider does has some shortcomings, it has been improving in its services of late. Also, it seems less likely to overcharge (unlike the private) ISPs. See this useful comparison of services offered, a link which was drawn to my attention by Ashley Delaney of Saligao: http://www.bsnl.co.in/service/dataone_tariff.htm#temp
[Goanet] My pledge to Goanet
Folks, I feel that the best way to develop good thinking, writing and debating skills is by learning from someone who displays the same. Sadly, I have come to the conclusion that debating a person who has no thinking skills is just going to waste the precious time I have in this life. As such, I have decided to completely ignore all posts here made by 'our' Mario Goviea. I am convinced that Goanet has much more to offer if the focus remains on Goa and Goans. Lastly, let me plea to all here to spend a moment or two contemplating on whether it is really worth responding to anything that 'our' Mario posts. I firmly believe that if a few of us use the 'ignore' button for a few weeks, 'our' Mario would move on. With a little effort, we could make this a reality. Mervyn3.0 I said calling Portugal a third rate European country was tongue-in-cheek. Then I said that I really should have said second-rate European country:-)) If I were schizophrenic I would have said it was a first rate European country. See the difference? - Mario Goviea __ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com.
[Goanet] These Marwaris speak sparkling Konkani
While goans are apparently giving up konkani in favour of English and other languages, here are marwaris in Bombay who speak the language fluently. Read on. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Mumbai/These_Marwaris_speak_sparkling_Konkani/articleshow/3682954.cms Regards, Marshall -- Hyundai to launch the i20 in India. Catch the exclusive preview on ZigWheels.com http://www.zigwheels.com/b2cam/newsDetails.action?name=Emb11_20080731path=/INDT/News/Emb11_20080731page=1pagecount=2utm_source=indmailutm_medium=footerutm_content=trackingutm_campaign=Nletter_07oct2008_ZW
Re: [Goanet] How are you?
Hi Rico, You are absolutely right in most of what you've said. Konkani interestingly is a very idiomatic language. Hence translating literally from one to the other is not advisable as the meaning can get distorted. Take for example the commonly used sentence Chau marli or suttla to. During exams students will ask khoim poddla or khoinche clssint poddla. This poddla reminds me of a funny incident when a local went to the nearby convent and told the sister in charge who did not know Konkani that well Sister, amcho sezari bhair poddla. to which the nun replied tor, bhitor haddat taka. Konkani is avery interesting language whether you write it in Devnagri or in Roman script. Have a nice day! Richard Cabral Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My (possibly incorrect) view is: * There is probably no one-to-one equivalence in languages. So there's no exact equivalent for 'hello' in Konkani. * One would not ask 'how are you'. Instead, you use a round-about way to get to that point in Konkani. Nisteak kitem? (What's the fish on the menu today... asked before noon, a way of saying 'hi'.) Even 'Boslea?' (Are you seated? Many expats get pretty bugged by this form of greeting, not understanding its connotations, and attempting a one-to-one translation.) In cyberspace [http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071217023102AAllRso] the answers being given are How are you?- Kashi assa? Where ru?-Khay assa tu? Keep in mind that there are a lot of (mostly unacknowledged) dialectal differences in spoken and written Konkani. (Konkani has been more spoken in the past.) The persons attempting to render Konkani (above) into the Roman script are probably not users of that script, and are using it because of the keyboard they use. So don't follow the accepted conventions. While the result might sound okay to their 'guessing' ear, it comes across, as you say, sounding Marathified. Or should we say Sankritisied. (This is also aggravated by the move to rid Konkani of 'impure' foreign languages, and only depend on 'national' ones. You should read a book called Hindi Nationalism by Alok Rai, an IIT prof and grandson of the great Hindi poet Munshi Premchand, for more on a parallel debate in the context of Hindi-Urdu-Hindustani.) I think more appropriate spellings for the above would thus be: Kosho assa? Or Koshi assa? (depending on gender of person addressed). Khuim assa tum? I'm sure someone better equipped could correct us on these issues... * This is supposed to offer a machine translation, but it doesn't work: http://www.savemylanguage.org/app/konkanitoenglish.php FN
[Goanet] Name dropping for beginners
Name dropping for beginners In accepting this non-award I would like to mention… By Cecil Pinto This week marks three years of writing this column. Of course I did take a three month break earlier this year, but then who's really bothered. There was no drop in circulation, nor letters to the editor insisting I come back. Bah! As I pass this milestone with no award, or raise, in sight I might as well use this opportunity to introduce you, dear dedicated readers, to my team. Team?, you ask. What team? I thought you wrote this column alone. Fat chance! Google, Wikipaedia and Answers.com can give you only that amount of information. When you need specialized knowledge and insightful opinions on call, specially when you don't have access to the Net, you need to cultivate a team. That's exactly what I've done. Here they are in no particular order. Frankie Alvares, Aldona - Remember in school we ate ice-cruts? What did we call the white milky ones which were more expensive? Isabel Vas, Dona Paula - Who said, 'I may not agree with you but will defend your right to speak…' or something like that? Apurva Kulkarni, Vasco - You know this illustration of an old woman's face which can also be seen as a young woman looking away – who drew it? Eric D'Souza, Aldona, How much was a Maruti 800 priced at when it was first launched in the 1980s? Jose Lourenco, Margao, Give me two more names of Goans of the caliber of DD Kossambi and Charles Correa. Alisha Colaco, Dona Paula, Is it considered bad form to drop a 'friend' you have never met from Facebook because she keeps inviting you to join weird groups? Vinayak Naik, Taleigao - How many women MLAs has Goa had? Alito Sequeira, Dona Paula - Would it be incorrect to say that what is happening at Gram Sabhas is a sign of civil society breaking up? Edwin D'Souza, Aldona - Other than Solan No.1 were there any IMFL single malt whiskeys in the 1980s? Fatima Gracias, Altinho - What was there before in the place where the Mermaid Garden now is? Joel D'Souza, Assagao - What would be the Konkani equivalent of village-idiot? Alex Braganza, Panjim - Did Symphony and Sky ever jam up for a show? Wendell Rodricks, Colvale - If colour from a new garment runs into another garment in the washing machine, how come it doesn't run away from that other garment too? Alister Miranda, Siolim - When was the Boat Festival re-introduced in Siolim, and by who? Prajal Sankhwalkar, Caranzalem - Were there Portuguese torture houses in Sanquelim? Gordon Lobo, Aldona - What was Inspector Bahadur's dogs name in the Indrajal Comics? Agnelo De Sa, Panjim - Are there USB hubs available with their own power supply inbuilt? Augusto Pinto, Moira - Into how many languages have Manoharrai Sardessai's poems been translated? Miguel Braganza, Which tree most closely resembles the banyan tree, and what is its exact botanical name? Edson Dias, Panjim - Do you know anyone personally who makes a living from Google AdWords only? Frederick Noronha, Saligao - Is there a reason why there are so many non-Goan editors for local English dailies? Sachin Chatte, Porvorim - Is Gabbar Singh's father's name mentioned in Sholay? Tony DeSa, Moira - Are there any compulsory hours of teaching that a school principal has to put in? Victor Rangel Ribeiro, Does Goa really have a Symphonic Orchestra, and how does it differ from a normal orchestra? Frankie D'Cruz, Borda, What's the best place in Margao for a mutton biryani? Gene Lobo, Aldona - Any disadvantages in using cloning software to transfer an operating system? Vivek Menezes, Miramar - Is it true that the Cricket Club of India was co-founded by a Goan? John Raj, Aldona - Does the wind at night blow from sea to land or vice versa? Willy Goes, Taleigao, What is the thumb rule for depth of field in relation to aperture and focal length? Tony Fernandes, Aldona - What is the life expectancy of an RCC structure? Helene Menezes, Saligao - What specific advantages does a co-ed schooling system have? Shelton Afonso, Caranzalem - Other than Assis who does lighting for major stage shows? Skitter Fia, Vasco - Who are the major sponsors of the Sunburn Music Festival this year? Heston Sequeira, Aldona - How much would it cost, and does it make sense, to put in an auto-start system for a 1984 Enfield Bullet? Rahul Srivastava, Ribandar - Give me a male North Indian first name with no caste connotations. Monica Mendes, Aldona - What sort of bank employees benefit the most from VRS offers? Patricia Alvares, Panjim - How many kilometers from Amboli to Kholapur? Sucheta Potnis, Calangute - Is it really cheaper to fly from Goa to Singapore than to Delhi? Noel D'Cruz, Margao - Can a Person of Indian Origin by marriage be the 'local' partner in a company owned by foreigners? Saba Sayed, Vasco - During which years did Subodh Kerkar draw cartoons regularly? Sandesh Prabhudesai, Panjim - What is the percentage increase in Goa's migrant labour population since 1988? Savio Figueiredo, Aldona - Do the
[Goanet] Effects of brainwashing
This is the result of brainwashing our youth into hating. And they have their benefactors too in the guise of sheep's clothing. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/I_was_Malegaon_mastermind_admits_Lt-Col/articleshow/3683035.cms http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Delhi/ABVP_activists_ransack_DU_seminar_venue_spit_on_SAR_Geelani/articleshow/3681834.cms Regards, Marshall -- Hyundai to launch the i20 in India. Catch the exclusive preview on ZigWheels.com http://www.zigwheels.com/b2cam/newsDetails.action?name=Emb11_20080731path=/INDT/News/Emb11_20080731page=1pagecount=2utm_source=indmailutm_medium=footerutm_content=trackingutm_campaign=Nletter_07oct2008_ZW
[Goanet] Petition in Support of Venita Coelho and Intimidatoy Behaviour of Panchas
Dear goanetters As you are aware there is an online petition being circulated regarding http://www.PetitionOnline.com/siamgs1/petition.htmlhttp://www.petitiononline.com/siamgs1/petition.html Well, a hard copy version is going around the Moira village too. Some children are doing the job of passing the petition around house to house. I have some very reliable information that one of the Panch members has tried to intimidate some of the children who went round with the petition, by saying that the Panchayat would file a police case against the young man who has done the work of printing the hard copy version that will have the signature lists and] he also asked one of the children to stop passing the Petition around. If these people were clean, what need would there be for this despicable behavior. Presumably other henchmen of the Sarpanch will also be trying out these strong arm tactics. They will ultimately have to pay for this. Not for nothing is the National Motto of India 'Satyameva Jayate' - 'Truth Alone Triumphs' Augusto Pinto -- Augusto Pinto 40, Novo Portugal, Moira, Bardez, Goa, India E [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] P 0832-2470336 M 9881126350
[Goanet] Fw: Funeral arrangements- Rosebelle Telles
Dear Members and Friends We regret to announce the death of: Rosebelle Fernandes Telles- ( Of Oshwall Academy) which occurred at 2.00pm on Friday 31st October 2008 at the Aga Khan Hospital, Nairobi , Kenya. Funeral arrangements Date: Saturday 8th November 2008 Mass will be celebrated at the ST FRANCIS CHURCH, Parklands- Nairobi Time: 11am Thereafter a cremation at the Hindu Crematorium, Kariokor Wife of the late Tony Telles, Sister of Oswald Fernandes ( Australia), David Lawrence Fernandes (Bombay, India), Julie Lopes Pereira (New Zealand) Phyllis Healey( Australia) Joyce Simpson (UK) for and on behalf of the family Goan Welfare Society __ NOD32 1982 (20070116) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com
[Goanet] Goa BSNL Major Shortcomings
To PGM (D) BSNL, Mumbai Dear Sirs, Your immediate action and reply is requested within 10 days, to the 'BSNL Major Shortcomings' mentioned below by the BSNL Goa Customers, else this matter will be addressed to the 'BSNL Board of Directors' and the 'Ministry of Communications', New Delhi. Looking forward to your reply within 10 days, Yours truly Cip On Behalf of 'Goa BSNL Customers' Goanetter --- On Fri, 11/7/08, Silvan D'Sa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Silvan D'Sa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] Subject: BSNL services To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Date: Friday, November 7, 2008, 1:20 AM Dear FN, BSNL has major shortcomings in the way they deal with customer grievances and their services leave much to be desired. For example, late February this year, nearly 200 telephones, including mine, from Socorro (Bardez) area went dead and along with it the broadband facility has become non-operational. After repeated visits to their Porvorim Exchange, BSNL informed the affected customers in mid-March that a fault has developed in the phone cable which is buried deep under the stretch of the NH-17 between O' Coqueiro and ICICI ATM and they need permission from National Highways Authority, Delhi, to dig up the highway and rectify the fault. As a temporary substitute they provided us with WLL phones with changed phone numbers BUT WITHOUT broadband/internet connectivity. Till today, after 8 months of denial of internet service, there is NO PROGRESS whatsoever. I for one had no option but to go for a slow dial-up internet facility with a private ISP at a cost of Rs.525/- plus taxes per month so that I could access the internet for emails, web-surfing and net banking purposes. Admittedly, their (BSNL) tariff for services is much lower than private ISPs but their lethargy in these days of CHANDRAYAN-1 puts us right back to the bullock-cart age. Best wishes and regards, SILVAN D'SA, Ambirna, Socorro. Tel: 6454868 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 16:05:07 +0530 From: Frederick [FN] Noronha * [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] BSNL services While BSNL, the GoI-run service provider does has some shortcomings, it has been improving in its services of late. Also, it seems less likely to overcharge (unlike the private) ISPs. See this useful comparison of services offered, a link which was drawn to my attention by Ashley Delaney of Saligao: http://www.bsnl.co.in/service/dataone_tariff.htm#temp
Re: [Goanet] surprise expression
Way back in 1967 or some other time (and being a stickler for unnecessary details but not the important things, I am sure he will correct me on the date), he got a lathi while he was a by stander during some agitation in Panjim. He still remembers that lathi vividly even now. Hilarious :-) and how true! RKN
Re: [Goanet] Subject: BSNL services
The power of the mob! Boogie Viegas asked a query, Ashley forwarded in the info after I linked him with Ashley, and then sent in the link to Goanet. You picked it up, and Cip has followed through with action. We can't forget that Goa got access to cyberspace (a BSNL server in 1998, long before many other bigger Indian cities) because of lobbying by Goanet! I do believe that we all learn from each other, and strengthen one another by networking. Thanks for mentioning the issues clearly below. I'll copy them to CSI, the Computer Society of India Goa chapter for further awareness. Btw, Silvan, how's the software work going? I do hope your keeping at it. The software you wrote for churches in Goa was pretty interesting! Maybe overseas friends involved in parish work might be interested in having a look at it too! For the rest, Silvan is a senior citizen active in the field of software. He lives in Sucorro, Bardez, a village others in our network are also connected to -- including admin member Bosco D'Mello, Vally and Anna, journo Armenia Fernandes, artist Venantius, etc. 2008/11/7 Silvan D'Sa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear FN, BSNL has major shortcomings in the way they deal with customer grievances and their services leave much to be desired. For example, late February this year, nearly 200 telephones, including mine, from Socorro (Bardez) area went dead and along with it the broadband facility has become non-operational. After repeated visits to their Porvorim Exchange, BSNL informed the affected customers in ... -- FN * Independent Journalist http://fn.goa-india.org M: +91-9822122436 P: +91-832-2409490
[Goanet] Kala Academy programmes * Nov 8 to 14, 2008
--- Kala Academy programmes Nov 8 to 14, 2008 --- Nov 6-8: 10 am to 11.30 pm Darya Sangam Lane No.3,4 AR Foyer Area Dinanath Mangueshkar Kala Mandir, Art Gallery and Meeting Room (10 am to 7.30 pm) The Institute of Company Secretaries of India National Convention Invitees Nov 8: 7 pm to 10.30 pm Open Air Auditorium Antonio M. Araujo Tiatr Vontt Lagi Kaliz Pois Ticketed Nov 9: 10 am to 2 pm: DMKM MIL MEL NEL Production All Goa Konkani Solo Singing Competition Ticketed Nov 9: 3.30 pm to 7.30 pm DMKM Mariano Fernandes Tiatr Soglim Sopnam Gupit Ticketed Nov 9: 7.30 pm to 11.30 pm DMKM Agostinho Temudo Tiatr Police Ticketed Nov 9: 5 pm to 9.30 pm OAA Ravindra P. Chari Fusion Musical Programme Free Nov 9: 10 am to 7.30 pm A.Gallery KA-West Zone Cultural Centre Painting Exhibition Free Nov 10: 6 pm to 10 pm DMKM Gomantak Pvt. Ltd. Audio Visual Programme Free Nov 10: 6.30 pm to 10.30 pm OAA Consulate General of Portugal Portuguese Folk Programme Passes Nov 10: 10 am to 7.30 pm Art Gallery KA-West Zone Cultural Centre Painting Exhibition Free Nov 10: 10 am to 7.30 pm Jetty Prashant Later Film Shooting Invitees Nov 11: 7.30 pm to 11.30 pm DMKM M. Menezes Tiatr Nagin Ticketed Nov 11: 6 pm to 8 pm Black Box KA-PDS Swarangan Free Nov 11: 6.30 pm to 10.30 pm OAA Joaquim Monteiro Tiatr Tumchea Hatant Assa Ticketed Nov 11: 10 am to 7.30 pm Art Gallery KA-West Zone Cultural Centre Painting Exhibition Free Nov 12: 7.30 pm to 11.30 pm DMKM Jacob Fernandes Tiatr Ami Chuklim Ticketed Nov 12: 10 am to 7.30 pm Art Gallery KA-West Zone Cultural Centre Painting Exhibition Free Nov 13: 6.30 pm to 10.30 pm DMKM Consulate General of Portugal Musical Programme, Fados Passes Nov 13: 10 am to 7.30 pm Art Gallery KA-West Zone Cultural Centre Painting Exhibition Free Nov 14: 4 pm to 7.30 pm DMKM Priyanka Rane Childern Dance Programme Free Nov 14: 7 pm to 11 pm OAA Socorro Fernandes Tiatr Hanv Porot Ietelim Ticketed Nov 14: 10 am to 7.30 pm Art Gallery Meghamala A. Chanekar Painting Exhibition Free Nov 14: 8 am to 12 noon Lane No 4 Directorate of Health Service World Diabetes Day Free -- FN * Independent Journalist http://fn.goa-india.org Blog: http://fredericknoronha.wordpress.com Tech links from South Asia: http://twitter.com/fn M: +91-9822122436 P: +91-832-2409490 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ MORE UPDATES http://groups.google.com/group/whazzupgoa?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~--- -- FN * Independent Journalist http://fn.goa-india.org Blog: http://fredericknoronha.wordpress.com Tech links from South Asia: http://twitter.com/fn M: +91-9822122436 P: +91-832-2409490
[Goanet] Lion Roars
Garden of Eden - 1 Laying it on thick You need to have an imagination for what I am about to reveal, and imagination you have. You just gotta to have it in Goa. Imagine just how little it would take to renovate a garden of 570 sq m. Then imagine, your government is currently spending Rs 1,59,68,204.24 to renovate it because of the Panjim MLA Manohar Parrikar. Now after this colossal figure was conjured and configured, the imagination (this time) of the planners in government went into overdrive. For those who live deep south or up north, the garden is at Rua De Ourem, at Panjim's old entrance and exit road. This once popular area of Panjim is now used by pedestrians to exit and enter the KTC bus stand. Nothing more! This is how the garden deal unfurled. On 24 April 2008 the scheduled date of opening the tender, there were no responses for the first call though two bidders, one who came from Mumbai; bought tenders forms. They were My Associates of Andheri (W) Mumbai and Bhella Constuctions of Ponda. At the next call, two bidders purchased the tender forms: My Associates (again) and A. Ponnuraj of Panjim. Now, why would My Associates try a second time when it refused to bid the first time despite buying the tender forms? Beats me. Beyond Reasonable Doubt On 5 May 2008 the scheduled day of the second call, A. Ponnuraj was disqualified as his EMD (earnest money deposit) was not submitted as per rules. Surprise, surprise! We have here an experienced contractor (the rule states a contractor must completed pre-specified high-worth jobs in the last 5 yrs) who appears incapable of completing a mere EMD formality! This time however My Associates after appearing to be reluctant the first time, quoted Rs 2,00,63,649.50. The figure brought down 2.5 % by the Goa State Infrastructure Development Corporation (GSIDC) to Rs 1,95,62,058. It was however still 68.48% higher than the GSIDC estimated cost of Rs 1,16,10,674 and 39.24% above the reasonable (of GSIDC again) amount of Rs 1,40,48,719.97. If you have not comprehended this jargon, estimated cost is what the GSIDC knows is the estimated cost going by market calculations. Reasonable cost, I guess is, if the contractor is unreasonable enough to quote above the estimated, it requires GSIDC to be reasonable and make unreasonable look reasonable. Remember, I warned you to wear your imagination cap before you read this. So, don't blame me, if this sounds weird. It is. As a result, My Associates' bid was rejected because it was too high. Beyond The Call Of Duty Now, this is where your imagination truly gets stretched like India rubber. In response to the third call, A. Ponnuraj made a second comeback. This time however KG Thomas of Panjim and New Park Sun Gardens of Mahim, Mumbai join the game. But on the scheduled day of the opening 28 May 2008, mysteriously only KG Thomas bids. Does this not stretch your imagination? You have Mumbai's My Associates who drops by twice (1st 2nd call) but does not bid the first time. The second time, it bids so high, it is bound to be rejected. Then you have A. Ponnuraj who buys the tender forms twice (2nd 3rd call) makes a silly (tactical perhaps?) error the first call, then does not bid at the 3rd call. You would think Ponnuraj would want to make amends. No? Finally, you have New Park Sun Gardens from Mumbai who suddenly enters the field at the fag end (3rd call) but does not bid. Not to mention Bhella Constructions, who apparently didn't want to play ball at all. The Games Begin The tactical maneuvering done, KG Thomas waltzes into the scene, and there's a chest full of silver dollars to be dug out of the garden. The only bidder left now is him. He bids Rs 1,72,62,923.50, then agrees to negotiate his quote despite being the only bidder left in the arena. Blows my mind away! So, he reduces his bid by 7.5 % and his quote is now Rs 1,59,68,204.24. The negotiated offer is 9.94% above the reasonable amount of Rs 1,45,24,697.48 and 37.53% above the estimated cost put to tender (pun not intended) that is Rs 1,16,10,674. This makes GSIDC really pleased because it promptly claims the offer made in the third call is Rs 35,93,854 (Rs 1,95,62,058 minus Rs 1,59,68,204) lesser than the offer it received in the second call. Do make a note also that GSIDC's reasonable amount has by now risen from Rs 1,40,48,719.97 to Rs 1,45,24,697.48. It doesn't end here. (Feedback: 6658606, [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Garden of Eden - II The Main Opera Last week you read of Rs 1,59,68,204 being spent to renovate the existing footpath that none uses because it is on the creek side of Rua De Ourem in Panjim; and also the existing garden or so-called garden. Nobody walks on that side because each and every building or public utility is on the other side and as a result protects pedestrians from the sun. It therefore makes no sense renovating that side. What should surprise you even is the fact that GSIDC did not think it was necessary to consult the Town and Country
Re: [Goanet] surprise expression .
My responses[JC] to what Samir Kelekar [SK] wrote: SK1: Jose Colaco is a Goan by birth, who is a Portuguese citizen, living in Bahamas, and who is qualified in British law. JC1: Accurate thus far SK2he has a soft corner for Andamanese and the Sidhis JC2: Accurate thus far SK3: is against freedom fighters. JC3: Incorrect. I am appalled by their negligence. You can see the result of their negligence ...now. Please see the pictures sent by Rajan Parrikar and JoeGoaUK SK4: Way back in 1967 or some other time he got a lathi while he was a by stander during some agitation in Panjim. JC4: Correct and Incorrect. The lathi charge is correct. The by-stander part is correct. The agitation bit is incorrect. The CRP lathi-charged Goans PEACEFULLY walking home (or wherever) after the results of the Opinion Poll were declared SK5: He still remembers that lathi vividly even now. JC5: Correct. SK6: His big grouse is against Bandodkar because he gave jobs to Bhaile. JC6: Incorrect. My big grouse against Bandodkar is for giving jobs to Bhaille which could have beeneasily be filled by Goans who were equally qualified as the bhaille and knew more about Goa than the bhaille did.. SK7: he doesnt realize that he himself is a bhailo in Bahamas. JC7: Incorrect...and understands very well that equally qualified locals get preference over bhaille SK8: We have seen how he has tried to defame the victim in this rape case by implicitely accussing her of faking the rape etc (using a testtube) ; JC8: Either Samir cannot read English, cannot understand it OR is happy being a LIAR. SK9: but I tell you if he is sued by the victim or her mother for defamation in Florida -- a place which he often visits, he will try to wiggle out of what he said by giving some or the other excuses. JC9: Such a law suit is welcome. SK10: He is very good at what I call dancing the kathakali dance. If he can't answer one question that you asked, he will ask you a counter question on something else. JC10: Look at WHO has done the Kathak when asked a simple question: Are you, Samir Kelekar, a Hindu? SK11: Enough said, JC11: Correct. jc
[Goanet] Goans, and English.
Marshall writes - While goans are apparently giving up konkani in favour of English and other languages, here are marwaris in Bombay who speak the language fluently. We adopted the idiom a century ago in British India, out of necessity. In Bombay, we competed with the Irish/Indian mob, Parsees and East Indians for social status and for jobs. Fifty years ago, one belived it helped with obtaining 'bank jobs': that case certainly holds no water today. An Indian who attempts to converse in English with a govt. employee is often ignored; it gets worse in the streets and in stores.One can make a strong case for the use of the vernacular all through High School, with English reserved for the sciences only: it works very well for 99% of Indians.The sight of little children using creole leads me to believe the parents see English as a way out of old class compartments. I fear that with Carnival announcing new losses, their jobs below deck may not be around much longer.The Jesuits dispatch young Goan novices to Bassein for a six month 'immersion' course in Marathi, which enables them to teach in the missions in the vernacular. The learning they provide serves the country well, with a caveat: they produce the occasional Bicholim/Barad nemesis to Marshall and Augusto !eric.
[Goanet] Subject: Cheers Dears: A Song in Praise of the Sarpanch of Moira
Dear Venantius http://flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/2847178926/sizes/m/ Thank you for the flattery: Dear Augosto, In appreciation, admiration and mischief. venantius Extol ye all, Augusto -- he of critical voice through splendid lament Hast penned a poem that should ne'er be forgotten In molten verse and Goan verve -- Jai Manguesh To elucidate revelations of the dastardly Sarpanch of Moira To the Sarpanch, may he be perpetuate for his deeds -- crass and low, Nattok and fozne, staged and fired, http://flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/2847178926/sizes/m/ and urak be poured as a libation on Moira's crossroads To focus on yet another accursed existence A generation past its prime when stories be told Of the Sarpanch of Moira, chorbelelo (fattened) he be Who let his bells be rung, and navel tickled -- with clamour loud; sold out Snorted into Moiras's earth, and harrumphed before turning to dust . I thought I'd google to find out about you, and discovered you seem a pretty cool guy. http://www.flickr.com/photos/venantius/sets/72157594188847366/ You know Venantius, I wish I could comment on your stuff, but sadly I am an incompetent at speaking about things artistic. But you must get in touch with V M - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - if you have not already. He recently curated a very controversial but stimulating exhibition called Aparanta which sought to redefine Goan art. Right now he's in the process of setting up http://tambdimati.net/ - which aims to be a showcase of all things Goan. Another person you shuuld have a look at is www.venitacoelho.com, the best friend of the Sarpanch of Moira. The other day, Cecil Pinto was joking with me that we should have a Pinto Bar mailing list only for Pintos. You know, a joint where only the cremest de la creme of Goa and the World can hang out. I agreed. Besides us, we could get maybe Jerry Pinto [I'm forthwith sending him an invite to join up] This would be a place where we could drink the choicest, most purest e-caju feni available in the e-market. Once in a way, we must specially invite Selma Carvalho to have a sip or two [too much is not good for these females] specially when we are discussing topics like: http://genforum.genealogy.com/pinto/ On the other hand will this be a good idea? I mean, would be able to cope with all of goanet e-hounding us for invites for free e-drinks? -- Augusto Pinto 40, Novo Portugal, Moira, Bardez, Goa, India E [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] P 0832-2470336 M 9881126350
Re: [Goanet] Milind Raikar to perform in Germany, Switzerland
But before studying with the distinguised violinist Milind Raikar learnt the rudiments and more at the Kala Academy and then at St.Cecilia's, Fontainhas. Milind has the genes of music in him since his father was himself a music teacher. Milind Raikar is a Goan who might have been living in Mumbai. He's a great guy though. Richard Cabral Goanet AE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Accomplished Goan violinist, Milind Raikar of Mumbai is visiting Germany. He will perform two solos as part of an Indian Classical Music Concert on November 8 and 9th, 2008. Thereafter he will accompany Don Li in a concert in Lausanne, Switzerland on November 22, 2008. Milind studied with India's distinguished Violinist. Padmashree Pt. D.K. Datar. He has also accompanied Padmavibhushan Smt. Kishori Amonkar, a leading vocalist. http://www.milindraikar.com http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=21461 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGvdog6ZI2c Goanet AE http://www.goanet.org
[Goanet] Surprise expression.
This message is in reply to Message: 9, Dated: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 From: J. Colaco jc Dr. Jose Colaco thanks for your clarification and since you want only Dr. Samir G. kelekar to answer I will not touch the subject any further. Hope Dr. Samir replies. Lastly, Dr. Jose, I picked up the art of changing subject line(s) depending on topic under discussion only from Goanet members and you have done this on -n- number of occasions so there is no need of harping on this minor issue. Best regards, Dr. U. G. Barad
[Goanet] My pledge to Goanet
Mervyn, I am not at all amused with your resolution that too in November. Then Goa-net will be 'saltless' - that is no taste at all - bland-bland. Where on earth we will get contributors of that caliber, that however you convince them, even with documentary evidence, they are not, those who call pickaxe as spade and stick to their shotguns? Be a sport, think of something very very enticing and inviting...like a plastic fish bait !!! Regards Maurice
[Goanet] MEET THE BJP CANDIDATE FOR PALE
Dears, Dr. Pramod Pandurang Sawant,BAMS [Kolhapur], is an ayurvedic doctor and is presently a student of MSW in Pune. He is the BJP man wanting to be the next MLA of Pale-Kothanbi in the Goa Legislative Assembly. Born on 24 April, 1973, this 35 year old Ayurvedic doctor received the Nehru Yuva Kendra's State Youth Award in 1999 [when he was 26 years old] and has worked at the Ayurvedic College at Shiroda-Ponda [reportedly managed by the current Congress President, Subhash Shirodkar] as a Medical Officer. Thereafter, he was an Active BJP worker for the period 1996 to October, 2003 fromOctober, 2008 onwards. If it seems rather clinical, there is a valid reason: Dr. Pramod P. Sawant served in the Government establishement as Ayurvedic Physician under PHC Sanquelim and PHC Bicholim-November 2003 to September, 2008 and could not be officially active in politics. His previous leadership/political experience includes: 1. CR [elected] of S.Y. BAMS at Shivaji University and 2.G.S. [unopposed] of T.Y. BAMS 3.President of a Health Care NGO with projects including i] Manthan ...funded by DEMPO Group 2.AIDS Awareness ...funded by GSACS 3. Rural Information ...funded by Nehru Yuva Kendra 4. Day Care Centres ...funded by Govt. of Goa 5. Village Library ... funded by Govt. of Goa To confirm and for additional information call 0832-2372366 or mobile 9422635922 [Source: Press Hand out of CV at BJP office] The Congress candidate, Pratap Prabhakar Gawas, is simply introduced as the elder brother of former MLA, Gurudas Gawas, who died with his boots on. The elder Gawas is allegedly supported by the NCP and the MGP, but there is no confirmation yet. Former one-and-half terms MLA and two half-terms Minister, Dr. Suresh Amonkar, has reported filed as a rebel/independent candidate. The SGF has some Jose Lobo as its candidate while the MGP and the Goa Su Raj Party have none. In an apparently unrelated action, traffic is disrupted in the mining belt in Codli-Vagona area due to desecrations of religious shrines and other reasons. Watch this space. Mog asundi. Miguel Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger.yahoo.com/invite/
Re: [Goanet] My pledge to Goanet
Mervyn Lobo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Mervyn, I for one fully support and endorse your sentiments. Sadly, I have come to the conclusion that debating a person who has no thinking skills is just going to waste the precious time I have?in this life. As such, I have decided to completely ignore all posts here made by 'our' Mario Goviea. What's the use of battering your head against a rock? Just enjoy the good posts and don't waste your time and talents on the hard nutters. I am convinced that Goanet has much more to offer if the focus remains on Goa and Goans. Certainly. But the forum would, IMHO, be of added value with a few enlightening posts of general nature, that everyone could enjoy. I am sure that this will evoke a barrage of protests but just ignore those. Spare the cudgels and let them (the protesters) stew in their own juice Cheers With best wishes and warm regards, Tony Tony de Sa Ph: +91 832 2470 148M: +91 9975162897 E: tonydesa at gmail dot com --- Things do not change; we change. - Henry David Thoreau
Re: [Goanet] Subject: BSNL services
True. You have a point. I hope someone from BSNL is reading this. FN 2008/11/7 Silvan D'Sa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear FN, ... Admittedly, their (BSNL) tariff for services is much lower than private ISPs but their lethargy in these days of CHANDRAYAN-1 puts us right back to the bullock-cart age. Best wishes and regards, SILVAN D'SA, Ambirna, Socorro. Tel: 6454868 -- FN * Independent Journalist http://fn.goa-india.org M: +91-9822122436 P: +91-832-2409490
[Goanet] What the Draft Regional Plan 2021 has to say for policing activists!
Dear All, Please find the troubling position of the State of Goa present on p. 79 of the Draft Regional Plan 2021. For your reading convenience I am pulling out significant portions. For the whole paragraph you may refer to the end of this message. The extracts read growing organized activism typical of a small but well-informed state and also more than a normal share of VVIP movements add to problems in policingThus Goa has as large a range of crime typologies as Mumbai or Chennai What is the Task Force, and the Govt. of Goa trying to suggest really? That organised activism, of the kind we see in Goa, concerend with the manner in which the State is participating in the desctruction of the livelihood bases of Goans is criminal activity? Perhaps the first thing that the Govt needs to go is to explain what exactly this means, and to pull out this offending sentence forth with, with a public apology tendered by the Members of the Task Force. Please circulate this message widely! 4.5 Protection 4.5.1 Goa is an established international tourist destination. It has one of the five busiest major ports of India and five other minor ports, an international airport and another bigger one on the anvil at Mopa. It is a growing informal and part time labour magnet and has rapidly escalating land values and concomitant growing disputes on land titles. It has open-ended borders with two major States. Add to this, a growing disproportion of personalized vehicles due to escalating affluence and otherwise chaotic traffic through a variety of modes. Also growing organized activism typical of a small but well-informed state and also more than a normal share of VVIP movements add to problems in policing, made worse by seasonal bulges in the visiting force - however welcome they may be for the economy. Thus Goa has as large a range of crime typologies as Mumbai or Chennai -- --- Read my thoughts at www.dervishnotes.blogspot.com
[Goanet] G.O.A. Toronto Feast of St. Francis Xavier
From: sara ferrao [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue Nov 4, 2008 8:07 am Subject: G.O.A. Toronto Feast of St. Francis Xavier [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello all, Please join Toronto Goan Overseas Association (GOA) to the Feast of St. Francis Xavier, a great missionary and patron Saint of Goa starting with Holy Mass celebrated by Fr. Darren Dias O.P. at 12 noon on Sunday, November 30th, 2008. Celebration will be held at Payal Banquet Hall, 3410 Semenyk Court, Mississauga. It will be a wonderful family day of celebration, including fun and games for kids of all ages. You can stock up for Christmas with a variety of Goan goodies at the Goan Bazaar; look forward to spectacular Goan Fashion Show - theme will be Goa Through the Ages; as well we will have a group of teenagers performing a medley: merengue, salsa, rock n roll and bollywood routine. We will have appetizers: Spring Rolls, Alloo Tiki, Chicken Tikka, Pakoras and Buffet Lunch: Goan Chicken Curry, Chilly Fry, Fish Curry, Vegetables, Rice and Dessert: Ice Cream Gajjar Halwa. DJ Fatz will have music for all ages. We look forward to meeting you at the Feast!!You can also view the flyer at www.goatoronto.com Forwarded by Goa's Pride - http://www.goa-world.com http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/gulf-goans Konkani Amchi Mai Bhas Sogglea Goenkaranchi - hench amchem herans. For all Goans, our mother-tongue Konkani, is our pride! http://www.songs-from-goa.at/goa/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5ECJrnqPcI
[Goanet] Note from Chandor: julio dsilva [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: julio dsilva [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi guys, We the Ganv Bhavancho Ekvott, are organising an essay competition in Roman Konkani on the topic 2021 vorsant mhozo ganv Chandor so that we can get an idea of people's aspiration for the village, which can subsequently be given to the authorities when they ask for recommendations and suggestion from the villages. If any of you can write in Roman Konkani, please do participate. The essay should be of around 500 words, a few extra would be a pleasure to read. So start pecking at the keyboard and send the essay by 10th November to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yeah you have to do with this ID till the website is ready -- tentative date for that is 15th November 2008 JULIO
[Goanet] Indian Army officer arrested over bomb attack
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article5107111.ece Shock as top Indian Army officer arrested over bomb attack Jeremy Page in Delhi The Indian Army has been shocked by the arrest of a senior Military Intelligence officer on suspicion of involvement in a bomb attack by Hindu extremists in western India in September. Colonel Srikant Prasad Purohit is the first serving officer in India's Army — seen as a bastion of secularism since the country's independence in 1947 — to be arrested on terrorism charges. His detention is prompting calls for a ban on Hindu nationalist groups accused of stirring political violence, including recent attacks on Christians in eastern India, before national elections next year. It may also force Indian authorities to investigate whether Hindu radicals were behind other recent bomb attacks, many of which have been blamed on Islamic extremists backed by Pakistan's intelligence service. Colonel Purohit, 37, was arrested in Bombay on Wednesday on suspicion of involvement in a bomb attack that killed at least six people near a mosque in the western city of Malegaon on September 29. The Anti-Terror Squad (ATS) of the surrounding state of Maharashtra is now questioning him at its headquarters in Bombay, according to Dinesh Agarwal, an ATS spokesman. Inspector Agarwal denied Indian media reports that Colonel Purohit had confessed to masterminding the explosions, and that the ATS wanted to question other serving military officers. The investigation is progressing, he told The Times. Questioning other serving officers is not on the cards now. However, he confirmed that the ATS had arrested eight other civilians, including a retired army major, Ramesh Upadhyay, on suspicion of involvement. Investigators say that Colonel Purohit and Major Upadhyay were both members of Abhinav Bharat (New India), a Hindu nationalist organisation founded in the western city of Pune in June 2006. Abhinav Bharat's President is Himani Savarkar, the niece of the Hindu radical who assassinated Mahatma Gandhi, the Indian independence leader, in 1948. She accuses India's ruling coalition — led by the Congress Party — of trying to smear Hindu nationalists and has offered legal aid to all the arrested members of Abhinav Bharat. She admits meeting Colonel Purohit, but says that he could not have been a member of Abhinav Bharat because army officers are forbidden from joining political organisations. It's a political conspiracy, led by the Congress, she told The Times. Her group is regarded as one of the more radical in the Hindu nationalist movement, which also includes the Bharatiya Janata Party — India's main opposition party. The BJP, anxious not to undermine its own anti-terror platform, initially distanced itself from Colonel Purohit and the other Malegaon suspects. But in the past two days, it has defended and offered legal support to Sadhvi Pragya Thakur, a Hindu holy woman who is also among those arrested. Whoever is connected with cultural nationalism and Bharatiyata [Indian-ness] cannot be a terrorist, said Rajnath Singh, the BJP chief, who has been photographed with the Sadhvi (the female equivalent of a Sadhu, or Hindu monk). Without sufficient evidence there is no reason to term Pragya Thakur a terrorist,'' he said. Secular parties point to this as further evidence justifying a ban on Hindu nationalist groups they say were behind violence that killed at least 60 Christians in the eastern state of Orissa this year. The Government has so far shied away from a ban, fearing that it would provoke a backlash from other radicals and rally support for the BJP ahead of national elections, due by May. The concern now is that Colonel Purohit's arrest will damage the reputation of the Army, which is generally seen as apolitical and is often deployed to quell communal violence. This incident is a matter of serious concern for all of us. We are very determined to go to the root of the whole thing, said A.K. Antony, the Defence Minister. We are waiting for a report from the Maharashtra police and I can tell you, we are taking it seriously. Lieutenant General S. P. S. Dhillon, the Deputy Army Chief, said: The Indian Army's prestige has been hurt after our officer's name came up in the Malegaon blast case. He called Colonel Purohit's case a freak incident. However, military and terrorism experts said they expected that he was probably just one of several Hindu extremists within the ranks of the Army, which will now have to overhaul its internal monitoring systems. There's been a process of political radicalisation going on for some time, said Dr Ajay Sahni, executive director of the Institute for Conflict Management. At some level a handful of people in the army will have become infected. As far as the institution of the army is concerned there is no danger of radicalisation — army traditions are far too strong. But there will be the odd bad egg. -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe
[Goanet] [Goanet} An Indian foreign policy expert's advice to Barack Obama
http://209.191.86.114/ya/securedownload?clean=0fid=Inboxmid=1_3545841_AK1Wv9EAAF2nSRMthAFqvkzOd3Upid=2tnef=prefFilename=OBAMACIA.htmlcred=bBPZI6sqjHJmCbuGMh7TEjspT7kBirCqm0GaCQ8JGH3WpJYWPVNQaeuL98lufEgiqt5wtzyOCRRjITMZuMexpiJziY_bbEQjAVFuatXt95izqbO3On2Yh1RSzw--ts=1225997084partner=ymailsig=KXJQS.HSk.IdClTnisvE7w-- Excerpt: There is amazement and confusion--- in India over reports that one of the first acts of the President will be to appoint Bill Clinton as his Special Envoy on the Kashmir issue to facilitate a settlement between India and Pakistan 2.Well-informed sources in India say that if the President-elect wants to severely damage the developing Indo-US relations he could not have thought of a better idea than to meddle in Kashmir. So many AmericansPresidents, Presidents-elect and defeated Presidential-aspirants thought they could help in finding a solution to the Kashmir issue and burnt their fingers and damaged Indo-US relations. [end of excerpt]
[Goanet] My pledge to Goanet
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 19:53:58 -0800 (PST) From: Mervyn Lobo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sadly, I have come to the conclusion that debating a person who has no thinking skills is just going to waste the precious time I have in this life. As such, I have decided to completely ignore all posts here made by 'our' Mario Goviea. Lastly,let me plea to?all here?to spend a moment or two contemplating on whether it is really worth?responding?to anything that 'our' Mario posts. I firmly believe that if a few of us use the 'ignore' button for a few weeks, 'our' Mario would move on. Mario observes: You must be kidding me! Really? All I can say is, God be praised!:-)) Has Mervyn become a comedian too? But I wonder what debating is Mervyn talking about? Has anyone noticed any debate between Mervyn and me? Most of my communications with him for the last several months has been to correct his relentless barrage of fact-free information about the USA and its system of government, and his comical financial advice. However, he still doesn't seem to understand how the US is organized and how it functions even after all my patient seminars. His advice speaks for itself. What he seems to be trying to do now, apparently after much reflection, prayer and fasting, is to ostracize me to force me to move on. I have never been so amused since another recent post by one of Mervyn's close friends that was even more hilarious. That one angrily demanded that Chris Vaz and I pack our potlis and leave the US. This one, with feigned sadness and turning the real situation on its head, simply wants me ostracized. Whew! What a relief. This means I don't have to pack my potlis and pay the higher airline prices and surcharges, etc:-)) However, Goanetters who have longer memories have all heard Mervyn make such threats before. These usually last a couple of hours. But will the fact-free comments about the US and its system stop? If they do, Mervyn will have no reason to directly deal with me. Neither will his friends. My philosophy is You are entitled to your own opinions, regardless how misguided they may be, but you are not entitled to your own facts. I wonder if we will hear from all those great libertarians and liberals on Goanet who tell us they are champions of free speech. I'm not holding my breath.
[Goanet] EVENTS: All Goa: Semana de Cultura Portuguesa, etc
All Goa: Semana de Cultura Portuguesa Indo-Portuguese culture, art, music, dance and cuisine Nov 7-15, 2008 * Nov 9, 2008: The Food Festival 7 pm onwards, Community Centre, Taleigao * Nov 10, Pauliteiros de Miranda 6.30 pm onwards, KA open air * Nov 11, 7 pm onwards. Festa Popular Fontainhas Music, song, dance and good food * Nov 13, Maria Ana Bobone and Miguel Capucho 6.30 pm onwards DMK Kala Academy Duet, Portuguese poetry, feeling, emotions, music Margao, BPS Sports Club Gruhashobha Living style exhibition Three days more 10.30 am to 9 pm Panjim, Delhi Darbar Festival of Biryani and Curries Nov 1-30, 2008 MG Road, Panjim +91-832-544 Margao, Clube Harmonia 3-day workshop on Azulexjos (Portuguese tiles) Panjim, Old GMC Complex Piano recital by Morouan Benabdallah Nov 9, 3.30 pm Works of Debussy, Poulene, Ravel and Saint Saens Organised by Alliance Francaise, Pro Musica Fatorda, Ravindra Bhavan Symposium on North Indian Literature Today Nov 13, 2008 Symposium at 11 am, poets meet at 2.30 pm Ph 24135744 or 24131947 Panjim: Junta House, Swami Vivekananda Society Hall Konkani-Kannada Cultural Festival 2008 Nov 8 and 9 Organised by Anu Publications Nov 7: Natl Cancer Awareness Day Nov 7: Panjim Uma Noite Musical at Clube Nacionale Nov 8-9: Ponda Global Akhand Bhajan Sri Sathya Sai Organisation Nov 9: Velim gram sabha, Salcete Nov 8, Boca de Vaca Akash AKandil , dance contests 6.30 pm onwards Nov 8, YMCA Youth meet for those above 14 years. Opp Parade Grounds, Near Methodist Church Campal, Panjim Nov 11-16 Art of living course at Miramar. UPCOMING * IFFI 2008, from Nov 23, 2008 * Indo-Portuguese culture week, Nov 7-15, various venues. * Zuari bridge to be closed on Sun, Nov 9 from 6 am to 9 am -- FN * Independent Journalist http://fn.goa-india.org M: +91-9822122436 P: +91-832-2409490 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ MORE UPDATES AT http://groups.google.com/group/whazzupgoa?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Goanet] Goenkars: Hold on to your cash!
Recession will hit India, be sure about this. The downturn is taking place in spades, in the USA; G.M will have no money to continue beyond Christmas. Amazingly they were thinking of merging with Chrysler - another gone case. Surely the management is not on top, instead of them running the business the business is running them. Ford burned 7 billion in this quarter. In short there is a very real probability that these entities will go bankrupt unless the US cavalry comes to their aid. AIG will go cap in hand once again to the FED, they have probably insured the whole World's Banking. Government should have let them go bankrupt. There will be more than 3 million more, out of workin in US, maybe before Christmas; Akron Ohio, will start burning tyres. Still no sweat, as those out of work will be middle class workers. The poor in the US of A are equivalent to the middle class in Europe ( most learned USA man's statement), so the middle class will be...I suppose the upper class equivalent in Europe. Tata's bad timing in purchasing Rover and Jaguar, they will have to walk away or scale down tremendously. We all know that Real Estate in the USA is gone to the dogs and in some places a house sells for USD1 K and still no takers!. I was amazed to learn that people in the USA can walk away from their mortgage and will not be chased for any out standings. Here in the U.K. if a house is repossessed and is sold for less than what was borrowed, the lender will pursue you for the balance - what is the set up in India? This downturn will take 5/6 years to correct and now that we have all come down to reality after the dewy eyed US Elections, pragmatism will be the order of the day. So lock up your daughters and hold on to your cash, in Goa both are at risk. -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London.
[Goanet] My pledge to Goanet.
Hmm, let me see now, oh yes I've got it and I thought that I was part of the problem; thanks for bringing me down to Earth. I shall immediately crack open a bottle of bubbly. -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London.
Re: [Goanet] Thanks, but no thanks
2008/11/6 marlon menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The Vietnam war is recognized as one of America's greatest foreign policy disasters. Mario responds: Recognized by whom? Only by blind supporters of the Democrat party in America, like Marlon. The REAL foreign policy disaster was when the Democrats cut off funding for the war, just when the VietCong had been devastated by the failure of their Tet offensive. This was confirmed by VietCong Gen. Giap in his memoires, when he said he was shocked when the Americans began withdrawing just when his forces were reeling. Subsequent to the unfortunate American withdrawal, the VietCong and their allies at the time, the Khmer Rouge in neighboring Cambodia, massacred an estimated 3 million innocent Vietnamese and Cambodians who opposed them, including educated people simply for being intellectuals. This showed that they were communist tyrants and not the benign freedom fighters of left wing mythology. Freedom fighters do not massacre their own people. The events that followed the American withdrawal proves that the military action to stem the tide of communism in that part of Asia was well founded.
[Goanet] Talking Photos: What is tea/Coffee without 'Us'
Talking Photos: What is tea/Coffee without 'Us' Or can there be a 'Tulsi-logn' without 'us' Perhaps, the village 'Us-gao' was named after 'us' One of the things that people from OldGoa Novena (Nov/Dec) used to bring home with them was a stack of 4-8 pcs of 'us' So what or who are they 'us'??? Check this out... http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk15/3011087590/sizes/l/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk15/3010250499/sizes/l/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk15/3011100800/sizes/l/ This is also part of 'us' I simply love the chilled juice (with a dash of ginger ). So refreshing!! Tea/Coffee- how many Sugar? 3 please!! Or ever heard ‘goddxem’ without jaggery ? [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
[Goanet] Subject: Cheers Dears: A Song in Praise of the Sarpanch of Moira
Dear Augusto, Truly meant what I said. It would have been flattery on my part, had you written something trivial, but you did not. Your verse was sincere, and was my mischievious response, besides which I was not being ingratiating. Of course the word, sincere does not conjoin with flattering. But your post raised some thoughts that have been on my mind: I do my stuff and allow things to happen in their time. Many people relate to me, and others keep their distance. I am not the best example for children brought up by elders in straitjackets. I am more interested in doing things very deeply and if that means being in isolation so much the better. People are aware that I exist, and if they relate to my journey that is good. I am not a writer, but have an interest and a fascination of sorts with language and words; and that does not make me a writer or anything of that sort. Sometime when I have slipped on Goanet, on hindsights, its because I did not made the obvious, obviously so. Perhaps its my interest in Japan, China, Korea and Tibet and Mongolia that has something to do with my insanities. Definitely Japan. I am deep into Shodo — studying four streams of calligraphy. It has to be Japan and my Goan parentage. I could not have done this in India, besides that, the intensity and focus I need to maintain as the norm. I say this stepping outside of myself. I see man as a phenomenon and the phenomenon that is man — ideas from Teilhard de Chardin. But such interactions are journeys in mapping thoughts and connecting in our Cartesian existences. We must connect, but also remember that connecting takes time and one must only connect towards a coherent growth — although notions of growth between the most connected of individuals can be illusionary. But try we must. So do not rule out the idea of the Pinto bar. It does have a place, it could also be transitory. Do we have a Pinto who could be an adequate Haus Frau at this bar — to boot out those who vomit and are way into pawing, groping and coming at inopportune moments. I am assuming we will all be good mensch. venantius j pinto Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 15:40:53 +0530 From: augusto pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] Subject: Cheers Dears: A Song in Praise of the Sarpanch of Moira Dear Venantius http://flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/2847178926/sizes/m/ Thank you for the flattery: Dear Augosto, In appreciation, admiration and mischief. venantius _
Re: [Goanet] Goanet Digest, Vol 3, Issue 1431
--- On Thu, 11/6/08, Chris Vaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Attempts are being made by a cabal on this forum in the form of a steady drumbeat to muzzle the conservative point of view by intolerant and hateful rethoric. We must guard against any such attempts against an open and honest discussion with regard to the consequence of this election. I think this understates the extent to which conservatives are being oppressed and victimized in this forum and on the talk radio. The truth is that there is actually a world-wide conspiracy against American conservatives hatched by Islamic terrorists, Ahmadinejad and Obama in collaboration with Hugo Chavez, Castro brothers, Chicago thugs, Palestinians, the Clintons, Levinsky, Farrakhan, Ayres, Wright, Rezko and their many childhood Muslim and communist friends. Marlon heads the Goanet contingent. Cheers, Santosh
[Goanet] KONKANI ADAGES: One who borrows, knows the true value of money
Duddvanchi kimmot, uxnnem magta tho zano One who borrows, knows the true value of money Apunn-ui khaina, dusreak-ui dina Neither does he eat, nor does he share. Alxi munxea jeunchi-khaunchi axea, tor kiteak boisola konnxea? (konnxeak?) Lazy man, if you wish to eat, why are you sitting in the corner? Aiz mhaka, faleam tuka My turn (to be buried) today, tomorrow may be yours. (The grim reminder is often painted at Goan Catholic cemeteries). Ail'lea disa soiro, dusrea disa bharo On the day of arrival the guest is a relative, on the second day a burden More adages at: Konkani adages, axioms, maxims, idioms and proverbs http://www.facebook.com/board.php?uid=34190402370#/group.php?gid=34190402370 For a forthcoming book by Valmiki Faleiro. Feedback welcome [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Re: [Goanet] My pledge to Goanet
I'm willing to bet (a rupee) that Mario will be able to bait Mervyn back into debate (or whatever you call it) despite the latter's very public pledge. Any gamblers willing to rate the chances? FN
[Goanet] Goanet Greetings
Mogall Goanetters, Heres a gift for you on your birthday on behalf of Goanetif you would like to hear a Konkani Birthday song in mp3 on your birthday do copy me in your mails to Goanet and I will send you the traditional Birthday song ..Dis Zolmancho...n other Birthday songs in Konkani! There are atleast 4-5 Konkani Birthday songs...so cheer up and be proud to hear Birthday songs in Konkani. Edward Verdes Chinchinim/Jeddah/KSA http://edskantaram.blogspot.com/ ps; each song is 4-5 MB so be prepared to download it indirectly from your inbox ANNOUNCEMENT: Goanet Greetings Sun Nov 2 11:50:38 PST 2008 Dear Goanetters,This is to inform you that the 'Goanet Greetings' section is now LIVE ACTIVE. If you wish to greet somebody on their Birthday, Wedding Anniversary or other milestone, please send a message to greetings at goanet.org with the following details:Name, Birth Date (Year not necessary), Location (city), Email AddressThe Greetings will be published on Goanet and a copy sent to the concerned individual where email is provided. Thank you. Goanet Greetings http://www.goanet.org Where Goans Connect
[Goanet] EVENTS: All Goa: Semana de Cultura Portuguesa, etc
Thanks FN, I sure our FFs will not be too pleased to read your post. Now, a day they are making big issues out of nothing as if they have nothing better to do. They want to wipe out everthing that is Portuguese related. e.g. Road/street names, Fundacao Oriente, Portuguese Consulate, Portuguese culture etc etc If they really want do something, let them bring our FREEDOM Back. Nagesh Karmalli, one of the FFs, in his recent speech admitted saying '...when he see things hapening now-a-days (refering to recent brutal attack etc)..he felt as if 'Portuguese are back'. see video (at 4.49 - 6.11) http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=jEZKp_32PzI Ok, What could FFs also mean? Freedon Fighters Fake fighters Funkott Faido Fun Fighters Flip-Flop Fantasy football Fast Food Fast Forward Fools forum Fun fare [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
[Goanet] Portuguese week celebration opposed - by FFs/RSS
Few minutes ago, I was talking about it here... Portuguese week celebration opposed PANAJI- Goa Freedom Fighters Association opposed the Semana de Cultura Portuguesa, being celebrated from November 7 to 14 in the state, besides opposing the 500th year celebration of the Portuguese arrival in Goa, tooth and nail. Addressing a public meeting near the Martyrs� Memorial at Azad Maidan, on Friday evening, the freedom fighter charged the programme associates as �greedy people,�� and lauded the Chief Minister, Mr Digambar Kamat, for refusing to be associated with the function in progress. The freedom fighter, Mr Naguesh Karmali said, �They claim that they gave us civilization but I say they gave us nothing but `foreign disease� and provided with over 40,000 visa to Goans and this was done through the Portuguese consulate in Goa.� �We are even ready to sacrifice our pension that gives us only medical comforts but we will never accept the Portuguese culture what we objected and opposed to. You go to Mozambique or any other Portuguese colonies, they never allow them to step in,�� stated Mr Karmali. In the end, he said �we will never come on the roads but will do what we would like to oppose the celebration of 500th year in 2010.� Mr Prabhakar Sinari, said, ``We will oppose any culture that destroys our culture and we will fight and oppose this menace of selling Goa to foreigners till the last drop of our blood.�� �Portuguese brought `rape culture� to the state and they raped our temples, women and culture and as such we will never allow their culture to flourish in the state and would oppose it tooth and nail.� said the Goa state RSS chief, Mr Subhash Velingkar. Mr Kashinath Naik, ex-MLA, Mr Jayendranath Halankar, ex-sarpanch of Anjuna, Mr Palyekar, were among others, who spoke on the occasion. http://www.navhindtimes.com/story.php?story=200811088 [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
Re: [Goanet] My pledge to Goanet
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 00:30:10 +0530 From: Frederick [FN] Noronha * I'm willing to bet (a rupee) that Mario will be able to bait Mervyn back into debate (or whatever you call it) despite the latter's very public pledge. Any gamblers willing to rate the chances? FN Mario responds: Fred, It seems you remember such threats that have been made numerous times by these brothers-in-arms as one of them once called themselves. Unfortunately for the forum, these only last a couple of hours, so you actually should have bet a lot more:-)) Secondly, I need to correct you about a misconception you, too, seem to be laboring under. That I bait Mervyn. The fact is I would like to have as little to do with these guys in any shape or form, and restrict myself to correcting their often deliberately misconstrued and mis-stated facts, or putting some context and perspective on some of their opinions that may be based on such misconstrued and mis-stated facts, which cannot be allowed to stand without rebuttal in a public forum. If there is any bait wouldn't that be a deliberate distortion of a fact, sometimes repeated over and over again, rather than my correction of such a fact? On matters of opinion that are based on recognizeable facts, I have always been willing to agree to disagree. As I anticipated, some of the usual suspects who support a restriction on free speech were the first to show their true colors in this thread, while the alleged defenders of free speech and robust debate are yet to be heard from. Since many of them disagree with me on political issues, I wonder if they have the guts to speak out against one of their own friends. This is another excellent example where people show their true colors without doing anything, by not doing anything. From your comments I have no idea where you stand on the free speech issue of trying to ostracize a member of Goanet, of which you are apparently an adminstrator. Pretty amazing.
Re: [Goanet] The Promise of Obama
Dear All, Sorry to say, India will never change.. except for a few like Dr. Kalam, CHANGES (AS SAID BY OBAMA) NEED TO BE DONE FROM THE HEAD OF THE COUTRY, NOT MID WAY. As there is total corruption on the top, so if the top leaders itself are corrupted, what change does one see in India. Sadly GOA is best not spoken of. GOA is a close chapter. with raping, and all corruption.. even the top leaders dont reply to the emails or letters sent out to them. Until then. Cynthia
Re: [Goanet] My pledge to Goanet
2008/11/7 Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm willing to bet (a rupee) that Mario will be able to bait Mervyn back into debate (or whatever you call it) despite the latter's very public pledge. Any gamblers willing to rate the chances? FN RESPONSE: I am with you my man; my offer a beer or two, or three, anywhere in Goa! On the other hand, Mervyn has not been tested on this, his pledge - I am certain he will not succumb! There is again a beer or two, or three, anywhere in Goa that he will hold his word. We do need a time frame on this one - shall we say come September? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cb_xsOGMtiE I fancied La Lolo! -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London.
Re: [Goanet] Goanet Digest, Vol 3, Issue 1431
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 10:54:03 -0800 (PST) From: Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think this understates the extent to which conservatives are being oppressed and victimized in this forum and on the talk radio. The truth is that there is actually a world-wide conspiracy against American conservatives hatched by Islamic terrorists, Ahmadinejad and Obama in collaboration with Hugo Chavez, Castro brothers, Chicago thugs, Palestinians, the Clintons, Levinsky, Farrakhan, Ayres, Wright, Rezko and their many childhood Muslim and communist friends. Marlon heads the Goanet contingent. Mario observes: Marlon heads some anti-conservative contingent on Goanet? Oh, really? That may come as a shock to him, who was last heard from pretending to be a Libertarian:-)) What a comedian, that Marlon:-)) I think that title fits you far more closely, Santosh, whose name you missed adding to the list above:-)) I think the record will show that Marlon wakes up every few months to throw some verbal bombs at people he dislikes, complete with mis-stated and delibertately misconstrued facts for shrapnel, then runs and hides to avoid the incoming return fire:-))
[Goanet] Sesa Holders, Beware !
The downturn is now a near downfall, with Mittal claiming new orders do not exist, General Motors asking for a 'government is a solution' handout of 10 billion, Ford announcing a total burn of 7 billion, and better retail chains disclosing a 20 % plus drop in sales figures. One cannot expect a govt. solution for Tata Steel and Sesa holders, we had been bankrupt socialists for much too long. Carter had capped oil imports at 7 million barrels a day, which meant four cylinder cars; with a GM V-P, Rove, in the White House, horse power was a blowing in the wind, and the goo hit 14 million a day. Our unsold SUVs would make for suitable housing around our plantations in Honduras. A prominent politico, who eyes the White House in 2012, believes Africa is a 'country'. This suggests she need not know that some of our exhaust smells of Nigeria and Angola, the origins of 6 million barrels of the sweet stuff, unloaded every day, in Houston. eric.
[Goanet] : Maka Kityak (Why should I bother)?
This is like 'ONCE BITTEN, TWICE SHY SYNDROME' OR DO ALL THE BUSYBODY GOSSIP MONGERING AND FINALLY SAY 'AMKAN KITYAK? (IT IS NOT OUR PROBLEM). OR WASHING HANDS LIKE PONTIOUS PILOT!!! Keep it up J.C. Regards Maurice
[Goanet] Daily Grook #269
DAILY GROOK #269 ___ CASTE LUST ___ by Francis Rodrigues after brahmin and priest come shudra, after their wedding feast kama sutra! __ puns word-play of all kinds, if you read between the lines! _ http://2008goanconvention.com/nostalgia.php _
Re: [Goanet] EVENTS: All Goa: Semana de Cultura Portuguesa, etc
Faltoo Fellas Free Food 2008/11/7 JoeGoaUk [EMAIL PROTECTED]: What could FFs also mean? Freedon Fighters Fake fighters Funkott Faido Fun Fighters Flip-Flop Fantasy football Fast Food Fast Forward Fools forum Fun fare
[Goanet] Goa news for November 8, 2008
Goa News from Google News and Goanet.org Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories. *** Goa rape: Education ministers son sent to police custody - Times of India [Nov 5, 2008] NEW DELHI: Goa education minister Atanasio Monserratte's son Rohit, 21, has been remanded tothree days police custody in connection with a case of rape of ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/6-0fd=Rurl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Goa/Goa_rape_Education_ministers_son_sent_to_police_custody/articleshow/3676689.cmscid=1265403167ei=it0UScOyBpiQM6uz5IoDusg=AFQjCNFM2IVjhbiKuS248oOaEvc3-bIW_g *** Goa realty deals ring alarm - Times of India [Nov 6, 2008] The Centres advisory was necessitated following the Enforcement Directorate investigation in a number of cases in Goa where foreign nationals from many ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/5-0fd=Rurl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Goa/Goa_realty_deals_ring_alarm/articleshow/3683280.cmscid=1267613320ei=it0UScOyBpiQM6uz5IoDusg=AFQjCNFwq7IhaaYMyzSE175md-w0eAGXAg *** RPT-UPDATE 1-Sesa Goa to invest 4 bln rupees for expansion - Reuters India [21 hours ago] KOLKATA, Nov 6 (Reuters) - Sesa Goa (SESA.BO: Quote, Profile, Research), India's top iron ore exporter, plans to invest about 4 billion rupees in the next ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/4-0fd=Rurl=http://in.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idINBOM41537920081107cid=1267623510ei=it0UScOyBpiQM6uz5IoDusg=AFQjCNGbxPh_E7Dq_Ojhf0sFQJTD1wDoBg *** I-League Preview: Dempo SC Sporting Clube De Goa - Goal.com [16 hours ago] League leaders Sporting Clube De Goa takeon fellow Goan side and defending champions Dempo SC in a seventh round I-League clash at the Pandit Jawaharlal ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/2-0fd=Rurl=http://www.goal.com/en-india/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=952631cid=1267900898ei=it0UScOyBpiQM6uz5IoDusg=AFQjCNFGjxeolmnT3IsljNizbxmYiL531A *** Goa rape case: Rohit\'s custody extended - Times Now.tv [9 hours ago] Prime accused for rape of a German minor, and Goa Education Minister's son -- Rohit Monserrate's -- police custody has been extended to Monday (Nov 10). ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/8-0fd=Rurl=http://www.timesnow.tv/Newsdtls.aspx?NewsID=20396cid=1267971635ei=it0UScOyBpiQM6uz5IoDusg=AFQjCNFzwRjRpZmyUplC-3wXAddO6mXWzw *** Cautious tourists continue to flock to Goa - NDTV.com [13 hours ago] PTI The adverse publicity earned by Goa after the German minor rape case controversy has not damped the enthusiasm of tourists flocking to this coastal ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/3-0fd=Rurl=http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/story.aspx?id=NEWEN20080071726ch=11/7/2008%204:29:00%20PMcid=1267931185ei=it0UScOyBpiQM6uz5IoDusg=AFQjCNFz2xF_v4pyRKb66Ud6BJac08d1Ig *** Real scandal: Dead men buying property in Goa - Economic Times [3 hours ago] PANAJI: In Goa, forming name-sake companies which allows 100% FDI has been a major route for investing in properties. This easy route, adopted often in ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/0-0fd=Rurl=http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/News/PoliticsNation/Real_scandal_Dead_men_buying_property_in_Goa/articleshow/3687541.cmscid=1268051141ei=it0UScOyBpiQM6uz5IoDusg=AFQjCNFnVkDD_aRKTJxvzKpYPf6wQx9KHQ *** Goas iron ore exporters in worst slump they can remember - Thaindian.com [18 hours ago] Panaji, Nov 7 (IANS) Goas iron ore exporting industry is going through one of the worst slumps in its history, says a top official of an ore exporters ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/9-0fd=Rurl=http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/uncategorized/goas-iron-ore-exporters-in-worst-slump-they-can-remember_100116028.htmlcid=1267844930ei=it0UScOyBpiQM6uz5IoDusg=AFQjCNFHCrLiDY1-jZK4dKPVF0pGG7MaEA *** Railways plans belly dancers in Kolkata-Goa-Mumbai package tour - Thaindian.com [6 hours ago] The tour will start from Kolkatas main railhead Howrah Jan 2 for Goa and return Jan 11. We expect 700 passengers - a total sell-out, Srivastava said. ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/7-0fd=Rurl=http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/business/railways-plans-belly-dancers-in-kolkata-goa-mumbai-package-tour_100116379.htmlcid=1268005220ei=it0UScOyBpiQM6uz5IoDusg=AFQjCNGFdrIrKXSG1CGZ2kFoGOBVxCYskA *** Magic, disco on wheels to Goa - The Statesman [3 hours ago] 7: Discotheques and magicians are just some of the plans private travel agency Inova has for a luxury train trip from Kolkata to Goa next year. ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/1-0fd=Rurl=http://www.thestatesman.net/page.news.php?clid=22theme=usrsess=1id=230160cid=0ei=it0UScOyBpiQM6uz5IoDusg=AFQjCNHXPuoGKLloAWh7lJSy92g4flG1CQ Compiled by Goanet News Service http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php
[Goanet] Sonis Sirsat and Tuna Goesa regale audience in Lusofonia week
Goa's top class and polyglot singer Sonia Sirsat regaled a Macau audience with her impeccable voice by singing our Goan mandos, deknis, and the immemorial fados. Her rendition of Cancao do Mar (Dulce Pontes) brought the audience to their feet. Sonia was ably supported by the superb Trio Orlando. Our Goan traditional dances was show cased by Messias Tavares. These group of artists are in Macau to celebrate the Lusofonia week. This years our Goan matou is a replica of the Aguada Farol built in 1612 and one of the oldest in Asia - courtsey Mr. Francisco 'Chico' Lopes. Food delicacies were once again provided by our sisters alias mannas. A big up to our Goan artists who displayed top talents. Freedom Fighters GET OUT OF GOA. You can try to stop Goans culture in Goa, but you chaps can not stop us showing off elsewhere. BC (from the Taipa amphitheatre)
Re: [Goanet] My pledge to Goanet
2008/11/7 Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm willing to bet (a rupee) that Mario will be able to bait Mervyn back into debate (or whatever you call it) despite the latter's very public pledge. Any gamblers willing to rate the chances? FN RESPONSE: A song is worth more than a thousand words; so here goes:- There may be trouble ahead! This is for all of us from Bush forty three. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18No22_j_bM and all that Jazz! This one is for Mervyn from Mario, of Satchmo fame -( Spin a yarn)...if you don't know jazz and all that malarkey...I'm in the mood for love:- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYLMUNeanLk This one is for Obama; who is inheriting one of the worst scenarios, a disaster unfolding. The growth achieved during Forty three's term was a bubble waiting to be burst. Burst it has...so what to do man, let's face the music and dance: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7PONWuUoEIfeature=related -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London.
Re: [Goanet] It's the economy, stupid !!!
2008/11/5 Jim Fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Well, the people of the United States have spoken. My Fellow GoaNetters Mario and Chris AKA Cajie De NJ just don't seem to get it. By the way, I didn't choose the title of this thread to call people on GoaNet stupid. It was a phrase that I believe, was coined by a former Democratic strategist named James Carville, way back when Clinton was running for the Presidency - a time when the then President (Bush's father) had no clue about the status of the economy. QUESTION: Is it pronounced Cajie de 'N' 'J' or 'NIJ' to rhyme or should it be it like, our shashtikars would call it, Caitan de baitan..what ever that means. Here's something stupid:- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BdiAQmEaf0feature=related -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London.
[Goanet] ALEXYZ Daily Cartoon (8Nov08)
Politican seeking public office consults a Fortune-teller I'm an independent standing for elections...what are my chances? I'll give you a Clue...the word rhymes with Hero... To enjoy the visual cartoon please visit: www.alexyztoons.com Site sponsored by www.goasudharop.org
[Goanet] KUWAIT INDIAN FOOTBALL FEDERATION (KIFF) COMMENCES NEW SEASON
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[Goanet] India's Technology Industry Fears Cuts in Outsourcing from US
Hi Goanetters, http://www.voanews.com/english/2008-11-07-voa14.cfm Hope that you are multi-skilled; a job for life is a thing of the past. Call Centre workers take note. Cheers. rubygoes
Re: [Goanet] Surprise expression.
Barad wrote: 1: Hope Dr. Samir replies. 2: Jose, I picked up the art of changing subject line(s) depending on topic under discussion only from Goanet members and you have done this on -n- number of occasions so there is no need of harping on this minor issue. -- Baba Barad, re # 1: I too hope that Samir replies. I will ask a third time: Are you a Hindu, Samir? re # 2: I wish that one day, Barad understands simple English. For Barad's info, it was I (jc) who modified the subject line because Barad had violated a GoaNet rule. If I hadn't changed the subject line, I too would have been violating that rule jc
[Goanet] First Death Anniversary: CRUZ SANNY VAZ
FIRST DEATH ANNIVERSARY http://bp3.blogger.com/_Hw6cK4hsxjk/R2eCEJzG-CI/A0I/eSl9NTHlSBg/s200/sannypic_TBUSH.jpg CRUZ SANNY VAZ (Sanny de Quepem) There will be a Requiem Mass for the repose of the soul of our beloved CRUZ SANNY VAZ at the Holy Cross Church, Quepem-Goa on Monday, 10th November 2008 at 8:00 a.m. and at the Holy Family Cathedral, Kuwait City on Monday, 10th November 2008 at 7:15 p.m. Offered by his sorrowful mother Lourecinha Vaz, wife Mira, son Mivran (USA), daughter Streisan (HDFC-Margao) and family members. May he rest in peace and may perpetual light shine upon him.
[Goanet] Zuari bridge closed
I wonder if the closing of bridges is some culture programme under this new colonization? BC Zuari bridge to be closed on Sun, Nov 9 from 6 am to 9 am
Re: [Goanet] It's the economy, stupid !!!
The state of the union: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNmcf4Y3lGM; --- On Fri, 11/7/08, Gabe Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Gabe Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet] It's the economy, stupid !!! To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Date: Friday, November 7, 2008, 3:13 PM 2008/11/5 Jim Fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Well, the people of the United States have spoken. My Fellow GoaNetters Mario and Chris AKA Cajie De NJ just don't seem to get it. By the way, I didn't choose the title of this thread to call people on GoaNet stupid. It was a phrase that I believe, was coined by a former Democratic strategist named James Carville, way back when Clinton was running for the Presidency - a time when the then President (Bush's father) had no clue about the status of the economy.
Re: [Goanet] Goenkars: Hold on to your cash!
-Original Message- Gabe Menezes wrote: G.M will have no money to continue beyond Christmas. Amazingly they were thinking of merging with Chrysler - another gone case. RESPONSE: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122606964550108607.html AIG will go cap in hand once again to the FED, they have probably insured the whole World's Banking. Government should have let them go bankrupt. RESPONSE: If AIG went under what would have happened to the whole World's Banking?? There will be more than 3 million more, out of workin in US, maybe before Christmas; Akron Ohio, will start burning tyres. RESPONSE: Surely you jest. Why just Akron?? Oshawa, Windsor, St Catherine (all in Canada) where GM, Chrysler, Ford have plants are in a similar bind. I believe every auto job creates 5-6 ancillary jobs in the North American economy. The Big-3 are paying the price for feeding the market with gas-guzzling automobiles and resisting innovation for the past 20 yearsnot to forget those rosy deals with the unions that guarantee benefits until one departs this earthly life. GM is now betting the farm on the Volt and will probably hasten its launch. To make matters worse for them, the price of crude oil has fallen over 60%suddenly those SUVs are not looking too bad again. There is a major crash in the global auto sector coming along in 2009 is what I heard an analyst say on the radio a couple of months ago. Perhaps it is starting to unfold. Here in the U.K. if a house is repossessed and is sold for less than what was borrowed, the lender will pursue you for the balance - what is the set up in India? RESPONSE: Can they find you in India?? This downturn will take 5/6 years to correct and now that we have all come down to reality after the dewy eyed US Elections, pragmatism will be the order of the day. RESPONSE: Now-now.are you making excuses for Obama's forthcoming failures?? Two days after being elected he is already on record saying he may not be able to 'fix' everything in one term. So much for all his pre-election promises, eh??. The poor man..look at his features today as compared to 2 years ago when he began his campaign vs Hillary - the pressures are enormous for his tender shoulders. Is the situation any better in the UK?? Close to 2 million unemployed (6%); Inflation at 16-year high (5.2%); Home prices depressed by 15% as compared to last year. Looks like the doom-and-gloom from the US is spreading across the pond and to the far reaches of the world. Ohh..and dont lose count of Russia's diminishing millionaires..somebody could possibly buy those Londoners in Blue for a song soon...:-) .hold on to your cash, in Goa both are at risk. RESPONSE: One of my prof's often said - Cash is King!!! - Bosco SOURCES: http://www.euronews.net/en/article/15/10/2008/uk-jobless-rate-soars/ http://www.rte.ie/business/2008/1014/britain.html http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601102sid=aXWJfJHDEpP8refer=uk
[Goanet] Mining and Art?
* * On November 4th, The Rt. Hon. Keith Vaz MP, inaugurated, at the Nehru Centre, London, 'Goa Contemporaries', an exhibition of works on paper by seven Goa-based artists. Presented by Kiki's London, the show is co-sponsored by the Vasantrao Dempo Education and Research Trust and Sunaparanta Goa Centre for the Arts, a Dattaraj V Salgaocar initiative. How terribly sad! Not the exhibition itself, whose curator is the well-known writer, Maria Mascarenhas, who is herself an art collector with a discerning eye. From all appearances, a great deal of thought has gone into bringing together the work of Julio De Souza, Swatee Kotwal, Apurva Kulkarni, Deviprasad C Rao, Suhas Shilker, and Norman Tagore. A high point of the exhibition is showcasing the work of Vamona Navalcar, Goa's senior-most artist, and the first Goan to study at the Escola Superior de Belas Artes of Portugal. One is, of course, a little surprised, if not bewildered that the irascible but brilliant Charudutta Prabhudesai finds no place on this otherwise fresh and exciting take on Goan contemporary art. One could even venture that this exhibition must also be taken to Mumbai, New Delhi, Kolkata, Bangalore and Chennai, and yes, perhaps even Baroda and Shantiniketan, if only to dispel the notion that most Indians (even the rich ones) have of Goa…the perfect place to chill out and eat and drink, where the natives are a frolicsome bunch who play the guitar while leaning against a coconut tree. Those who see this exhibition may just make the connection that the lineage of Gaitonde and Souza (my personal favourites) continues in good health. No, at the end of the day I am sad because the funding for this exhibition has came from two sources that have their roots of commerce in mining ore, or, simply put, prioritizing private company-specific profit over the environment. It's a pity I live in Pune, where this venerable city's only football team did not qualify for the national league. Had that happened I would have been out in full force with every single school student who likes football cajoled into joining me with placards everytime Dempo's, Salgaoncar, Vasco (do they have mining interests?) and now even Churchill Brothers (Haven't the Alemao's just bought a mine?) kicks the ball around. I love Goan football, make no mistake about that. My placards would read: 'With such beautiful football, why mine ore and screw the earth?'; 'Beautiful football and mining don't go hand in hand'; 'Play with Goa's future like you play with a ball'; and so on and so forth, depending on how much money I can raise to buy cardboard and paint. If I was in Greenpeace in fact, I would have great fun at stadiums highlighting how mining is destroying Goa for the sake of four or five families who have nothing on their mind but making money out of exporting Goa's mud. When families over the years have made enough wealth to ensure their prosperity for at least another four generations, one would think that they would have thought of diversifying into other forms of commerce and trade that were more ecologically sensitive. The software industry for instance, agriculture, ecotourism…convert the barges into houseboats…there's N number of possibilities if the companies in question just answer a few tough questions on the link between the protection of bio-diversity today and the promise of Goa's future. The time for prevaricating whether mining is profitable or not is absurd, because one must perforce ask at what cost? Now is the time for company introspection and reflection, if not self-critique. Perhaps even the commissioning of an independent social audit or what, in some circles is known as displaying corporate social responsibility. For me, the arts are indelibly linked with respect for the environment and life. The arts * celebrate* life and point us to the spirituality inherent in something as basic as mud. It does not appear that the mining corporations responsible for the non-profits that funded this art exhibition have understood this. Hartman de Souza
[Goanet] Hindu or not ?
In response to JC's question 'Is Samir Kelekar a Hindu?' I would like to quote this beautiful song from Mohammaed Rafi. Na Hindu banega na musalman banega Insan ki aulad hai, Insan banega... I hope it answers all questions. Now, my question to those who try to divide people on religious lines --- are you an insan ? regards, Samir
