[Goanet] Daily Grook #390
DAILY GROOK #390 ___ PORK TALK ___ by Francis Rodrigues swine flu's such a boar i never sausage a recall, ham'ful pigs from mexico so trying tequilas all! _ puns word-play of all kinds, hey...read between the lines! _ _ Share photos with friends on Windows Live Messenger http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9650734
[Goanet] Smitha's books released
Smitha's books released PANJIM (HND): Two books authored by Ms Smitha Bhandare Kamat, titled, 'Souldrops', and 'Fullati Fulla', were released at the hands of Mrs Pallavi S Dempo, Trustee, Vasantrao Dempo Education and Research Foundation. Souldrops is a collection of select published poems in English, while Fullati Fulla is her second book of short stories in Konkani for pre-teens. Pallavi Dempo appreciated the works of Smitha Kamat, and urged her and like-minded individuals to keep the ink of the literary pen flowing. She also stressed upon the fact that books serve as one of the finest gifts that can be offered to society. Naguesh Karmali reviewed both the books and concluded that the works encompass issues that touch, impact and heal the soul of the reader. Bhaskar Naik highlighted how aptitude tests serve to identify potentials of youngsters so that they can be coaxed early in the right direction and not discover one's talents by trial and error. Souldrops was sponsored by Vasantrao Dempo Education and Research Foundation and Third Millennium published the same. Fullati Fulla was sponsored by Konkani Academy and published by Jait Publication. http://oheraldo.in/pagedetails.asp?nid=20912cid=26
[Goanet] Lion Roars
Traffic Jam on the Mandovi *A ‘Touch and Go’ problem* I love this turn of phrase coined by the Captain of Ports Department because it describes exactly how this government lives – precariously. Everything it does is usually ‘up in the air.’ A case in point is the eight pleasure boats that were not permitted to dock at the jetty alongside DB Bandodkar Marg. It was revealed during the recent Assembly session that the eight boats were issued ‘touch and go’ permission which means they can only embark and disembark passengers. It’s a different matter these vessels are nearly always, except when cruising down the congested Mandovi, permanently in a ‘touch’ position. Either that or, I need a cataract operation done. There you are, didn’t I tell you this government is as vague as vague can be? The other turn of phrase that will always stay with me is ‘adaptive reuse’. The Entertainment Society of Goa coined that when it tried to lease the Maquinez Palace to a mall owner from *Dilli *some time back. Mercifully, that one could never reinvent itself and went into adaptive disuse but this one (touch and go) however could regrettably go to the wire. * Floating sumos -2* Last week, I pointed to the floating elephants in the River Mandovi and their lengths – Santa Monica (33.5 x 10 x 3.35m) owned by the Goa Tourism Development Corporation (GTDC) and Swastik (43.5 x 12 x 3m) owned by Swastik Cruises. This is the full list of the herd: Emerald Prince (21.75 x 8.2 x 1.5m), Kapil (22.5 x 9 x 2.85m), Paradise (30 x 10 x 3m) Blessing – owned by Swastik Cruises (24 x 7.5 2.3m), Shantadurga – owned by GTDC (24.9 x 8.36 x 2.61m), Malvika (25.5 x 6 x 2.32m), Swastik Vijaye –Swastik Cruises (16 x 5 x 1.5m), Alexander (11.75 x 3.7 x 1.68m), Columbus (11.75 x 3.7 x 1.68m), Napoleon (11.75 x 3.7 x 1.68m), Vasco da Gama (11.75 x 3.7 x 1.68) – all owned by Sea Scan Pleasure Cruises, Barcolento (29 x 6.1 x 1.83m), Princess de Goa (37 x 12 x 3.2m), Noah’s Ark –owned by Mundas Hospitality (33.53 x 6.7 x 1.51m), Carnival (24 x 6.27 x 2.54m), Paradise-11 (36 x 14 x 3m), and Coral Queen (30 x 11.5 x 3m). *It all adds up to DISASTER* There must be big money to be made on the much abused Mandovi because Kapil, Malvika and Princess de Goa are owned by Priyadarshani River Cruises, while Paradise and Paradise-11 are owned by Paradise Ventures. Add these to the dimensions I gave you last week of the casinos and it all amounts to frankly too much floating bulbous bow (the bulging forward part of a ship) in only a short length of the Mandovi. Add these all to 219 of the 641 barges registered in Goa (wonder where the others are?) and you have an Expressway of danger. Add that to the water carrying or bunkering vessels that ply up and down the river supplying barges with either water or fuel. Add that to the 20 under-50 passenger capacity vessels. And, you have a sum total of 258, all moving up or downstream. Now, imagine what happens when a Panjim-Betim ferry with its single engine fails one day to zebra cross past a barge or vessel bearing down on it. One word –DISASTER. *And more* It isn’t only the Panjim waterfront that is congested. There are 218 passenger and parasailing boats with official permission to operate on various beaches. Add that to god-knows-how many boats operating without NOCs and there is danger lurking everywhere because to this figure, you need to add 71 mostly FRP passenger boats, water scooters, etc. *Tailpiece*: The names of people and so-called writers arm-twisted into defending the mother-of-all ordinances has added up to quite a neat figure. Some were more audacious than others, like the one who called the rest of us ‘empty vessels.’ Other vassals using what I can only describe as language carpentry begged, borrowed and stole meanings to define ‘public interest.’ One language carpenter even brought out his gardening tools. Reading the Herald, I understood for the first time that ‘public’ means ‘one person’ only, okay two, if you must insist. And that ‘interest’ means pursuit of an individual’s happiness. Now Digambar Kamat and his 38 men and one woman will have to pass an Ordinance that will facilitate changing the meaning of ‘public’ and ‘interest’ in all school textbooks. I guess, so they can put the final nail into our collective coffin, they could call it the ‘Public Interest Ordinance’ and pre-date it to come into effect before the mother-of-all ordinances. Now, that’s what you could call transparency in government. * (Feedback 6658606, 9763718501 lionroars@gmail.com) * -- Lionel Messias, Associate Editor (Business and Entertainment) Herald, P. 0 Box 160, Rua Sao Tome, Panjim 403 001, Goa Mob: 9822152164/ 6658606 e-mail: busin...@herald-goa.com e-mail: 2...@herald-goa.com website: http://www.oheraldo.in/ Read my blog: http://freebirdingoa.blogspot.com/
[Goanet] Migrant employment perspective
Selfish politicians identify only two needs. 1) How to make more money for themselves. Mega projects therefore are necessary because they are a valuable source of income through cuts. 2) How to maintain and increase their vote bank. Migrants are therefore necessary. The last thing selfish politicians care is about is their Goan vote bank. But then the last thing the Goans care about is themselves. For a pittance from the politician, they will sell themselves. Well, election results are soon going to be out, and we will know if the Goans have changed. samir
[Goanet] THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRAYERS
THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR PRAYERS The medical team at the Hinduja Hospital-Mumbai have positive news of Jose Rod’s surgery and has declared that he is responding well. The family of Jose Rod thank the Almighty God and graciously acknowledge with great affection, love and gratitude to all friends and well-wishers for your continued prayers. May the Almighty GOD shower on you all His Choicest Blessings. Praise be to the Almighty God. Thank you all. Cajetan de Sanvordem Kuwait.
Re: [Goanet] RELIGION AND SCIENCE
From: Mario Goveia mgov...@sbcglobal.net My personal belief is based on faith and some circumstantial evidence. All religions are based almost entirely on faith. Jane Gillian wrote: What is the purpose of any debate on the existence of God? Mario responds: This question should be addressed to Padre Ivo. Once I had convinced him that science cannot prove or disprove the existence of God, I thought the matter would end right there. However, he has persisted in trying to turn the English language upside down and use some popycock experiments by a Dr. Beauregard to try and use science to prove that God exists. ***Mario, you are misquoting and misinterpreting me. I only repeated that Science cannot prove nor disprove the existence of God. It does not mean that our belief in God is just a figment of mind, without the reality of God, whom we come to know through reason and Revelation. Neuroscientific experiments of Dr.Mario Beauregard show the singularity of the 'mystical experiences', but do not prove the existence of God. Science cannot prove it, but the experiment shows that the experience is mediated by a reality outside the brain. Otherwise, it would be 'hallucination'... Regards. Fr.Ivo
[Goanet] Save Goa Campaign.
Respected Editor, There are letters from various writers to save Goa. It is easy to write from places like UK or US or UAE. These well wishers have to come to Goa, and practically work to save Goa,staying in Goa. Otherwise Goa is a place which is like Heaven for those who never had been in Goa before. Those with proper Indian identities are always welcome. Goa has always respected them and will always do so. Wishing all success to Save Goa Campaign, Damodar Bale.
[Goanet] Lion Roars
*Take a Rest(yl) Agent S* Over the space and time of three columns titled ‘GIDC’s cover-ups,’ ‘We the People,’ and ‘Is the pot calling the kettle black’ the activities of a certain Agent S and Agent B in ‘arranging’ plots at various industrial estates were exposed. Well, this really pissed off Agent S who has unsuccessfully tried to elicit information on how I got hold of all that information (not RTI Btw) or rather who my informants are. Not happening Agent S, I belong to the old school of journos –hard as rock, just ask around. But, I humbly recommend you take Restyl, say 0.25 mg daily, and calm down. Among the ‘volunteers’ he asked for help or has been pledged help, is a man from Margao who sometimes writes. All this makes me wonder why Nitin Kuncolienkar moaned that Goa’s activism was detrimental to industry progressing. Point is when there is so much of business like for instance the kind described in those columns it does mean Goa has nothing to worry about. After all, you can’t expect all businesses’ to be registered with the BSE or, for that matter the Register of Companies, can you? *Land of honey * Exactly what I mean. There’s money to be made in Goa and again you really don’t need PriceWaterhouse to tell you how. Look what it did for Satyam. It cost your government Rs 6,73,12,814 to host, err foist on you and me, the International Film Festival of India, 2008, as of February 19, 2009 as per the Entertainment Society of Goa (ESG.) If you read between the lines, it could mean there is more to come. Sometimes making money in Goa is not the main dish, it is only the garnish. And this time, the Government of India did not invest a pie. This is how it all started. The ESG as is routine now, called for bids from event management companies (EMA) in a two bid system –technical and financial. Three EMAs Wizcraft Pvt. Ltd., Mumbai, Alternate Brand Solutions Ltd. (ABSL), Mumbai and Brilliant Entertainment Networks, New Delhi, qualified to bid. As I have been saying continuously in the past, nothing Goa does, ever benefits *aam admi* companies or* aam admi *for that matter, not even holding the annual St. Francis Xavier’s feast. An evaluation committee of the government’s all-time favourite men and woman (not a typo) using an evaluation criterion and point system later allotted them marks. *Keeping the natives out* The eligibility criteria are 10 marks given for a minimum Rs 45 crore cumulative turnover in the past three financial years. Five additional marks for cummulative turnover above Rs 45 crore but below Rs 80 crore in the three years. Five additional marks for cummulative turnover above Rs 80 crore in the same three years. Reminds you of the TV serial ‘Whose Line Is It Anyway’ produced by comedian Drew Carey. More the cumulative turnover, lesser the points. That’s the perverse way Drew Carey gives his actor-comedians points sometimes, adding a huge fun element to the show. Jokes apart, what a Brilliant (pun intended) way to keep the natives out. Sheer Wizcraft huh. As if to mark up their brilliance a notch, ESG allotted two marks per each international event and one mark per national event organized during the same period. *More ways than one* Then there are marks awarded for a sponsorship criteria that went like this. If a bidder had between Rs 100 lakh and Rs 500 lakh of cumulative sponsorship in the same three years, ten marks were awarded. For above Rs 500 lakh and Rs 10 crore, ten additional marks were awarded. For above Rs 20 crore of cumulative sponsorship, ten additional marks were awarded. Silly me, I didn’t ask ESG to show evidence of proof of turnover and sponsorship ability. But, I’m learning fast. Not that it has any (I am sure of that) or, the means for that matter to verify the evidence, but then again in the land of ordinances proof of life is never necessary. For the record ABSL of the Times Group got the maximum marks and were awarded the EMA contract. But wait, where are all the sponsorships? The high-flying ABSL could bring in only Rs 1 crore, which means IFFI 2008 cost the Goa government a whopping Rs 5,73,12,814 because ABSL could bring only a miserly Rs 1 crore to the table. ESG understandably blames it (low sponsorship) on the ‘tugs and pulls’ between it and the Directorate of Film Festivals, also on the ‘lack of brand image for IFFI.’ Notwithstanding that, shouldn’t it be mandatory for high-flying EMAs to stick to their declared reputations especially when it concerns sponsorship commitments. No excuses, please. ESG did after all ignore the natives and go pan-India allegedly to tap the best. *Tailpiece*: A rival has been arm twisting freelance journalists earning their money the hard way from writing for Herald2day. It’s happened twice so far. Oh dear, the rival doesn’t know it takes two to Tango. Let the Tango begin. *(Feedback 6658606, 9763718501 lionroars@gmail.com) * -- Lionel Messias, Associate Editor (Business and Entertainment) Herald, P. 0 Box 160,
Re: [Goanet] THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRAYERS
Dear Cajetan, Glad to hear that the prayers of countless friends and well wishers of Jose Rod have been heard by Almighty God. And above all thank YOU, for keeping all of us posted of the progress, on regular basis. Do keep up the excellent work! Kindly convey good wishes to Jose and his family, on behalf of self and my family. With warm regards, Rabindra, Carmen Children Kuwait. THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR PRAYERS The medical team at the Hinduja Hospital-Mumbai have positive news of Jose Rod?s surgery and has declared that he is responding well. The family of Jose Rod thank the Almighty God and graciously acknowledge with great affection, love and gratitude to all friends and well-wishers for your continued prayers. May the Almighty GOD shower on you all His Choicest Blessings. Praise be to the Almighty God. Thank you all. Cajetan de Sanvordem Kuwait. _ Rediscover Hotmail®: Get e-mail storage that grows with you. http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Storage2_042009
[Goanet] Supreme Court orders probe into Modi's role in Gujarat riots
*The chickens are slowly but surely coming home to roost. Refer below report.* ** *New Delhi: The Supreme Court Monday asked a special probe panel formed by it to look into the allegations that Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi along with over 50 other politicians and government officials had aided and abetted statewide communal riots in 2002. *A bench of Justices Arijit Pasayat and Asok Kumar Ganguly directed the panel headed by former Central Bureau of Investigation (CBI) director R.K. Raghavan to particularly look into the allegations that Modi was involved in the killing of an MP in Ahmedabad's Gulbarga Society arson case. The panel was asked to file its report within three months. Source: IANS http://news.in.msn.com/national/article.aspx?cp-documentid=2998591 http://www.hindustantimes.com/StoryPage/StoryPage.aspx?sectionName=HomePageid=bf6d34db-6c3f-4446-b853-a8e4224222c7Headline=Probe+Narendra+Modi's+role+in+Gujarat+riots%3a+SC
[Goanet] Konkani name for Kulatha
++ Thanks Mr. Borges for adding to our understanding. ++ In general, what is also fascinating on Goanet is that people in the know wait a long time to put out information they are privy to. Perhaps they are busy, or choose not to be the first ones out of the gates. Hearty laughs aside--it could be possible that there is more than one name. But I cannot attest to that, only surmise--and that too perhaps wrongly. Perhaps I should have also asked my mother. Who knows we would have a third option and some more laughs. This also reminded me that on the one occasion I had inquired on Goanet for words related to sexuality in Konknni, only to be met by nothing but silence. To know Konknni at the level I would like to would take me 40 years of uninterrupted study. So one takes what one gets, till proven wrong or corrected--on the way encountering varying degrees of graciousness. venantius j pinto From: Sebastian Borges s_m_bor...@yahoo.com Subject: [Goanet] Konkani name for Kulatha To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Message-ID: 612119.87882...@web32607.mail.mud.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Dear friends, In Goa kulatha is called 'kullid' (kuLid) and the decoction 'kulldam kald' (kuLdAM kAld); 'kald' is from the Portuguese word for soup. It is a sure fire medicine for stubborn colds, and was my mother's favourite in this regard. It is also used as a general tonic for healthy people. It is still being used as such in my house. I do not know the meaning of 'kaat' in Mangalore Konkani. Or is it a corruption of the Goan 'kald'? The meaning I know in Goan Konkani (catechu juice) does not fit here.. I always wondered why it is called 'horse gram' in English. Now Maurice D. has cleared that. Thanks Maurice.. I had a hearty laugh on reading the word 'Godialle chonne' because this is a literal translation of 'horse gram'; but when I read that the source is TSKK, I calmed down because this research centre specialises in coining words by translation from English, even for commonplace things. One example is 'ainnya madd' (AiNya mAD) for palmyra (Borassus flabellifer) which is commonplace in my region and goes by the Konkani name 'tattmadd' (tATmAD). In Gujarat, where this tree yields toddy and neera, it is called 'tadd' (tAD) and the kernel of its nuts is sold as 'taddgola' (tADgolA) in Mumbai. The Konkani names of most commonplace things always bear some resemblance to their counterparts in neighbouring languages. Therefore, I think we should look around before rushing to translate English words. Mog asum. Sebastian Borges On 26 Apr 2009 (message #6, GD 429), Maurice D mmdme...@gmail.com wrote: This Indian Pulse is called Horse Gram in English and even now called Kulthi in Hindi and is still known as 'kuLith' in Konkani. It is boiled and fed to animals used for ploughing the rice fields, like Buffaloes, oxen or even milking cows.(in the Kanara region buffaloes were/are preferred over oxen pair to plough). I believe even now horses are fed this pulse after boiling it thoroughly. British must have observed this and called this pulse 'Horse Gram' In Mangalore/Kerala, Buffaloe race called 'kambaLa' is famous even now. This is grown after the first rice crop an secondary crop like 'Udid dhal' and it's roots produce nourishing mineareals in the soil of the field. After boiling this pulse, the drained water was used to prepare a soup dish (like 'rasam') by farming community who had buffeloes for ploughing purpose. This soup or broth is called 'kuLta kaat' Maurice D. On 25 Apr 2009 (Message: #3 GD 427), Venantius Pinto venantius.pi...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Maria Josefa, It would be Godialle chonne in Konknni. Godia=horse. I found this from Ms Shilpa Salvi of TSKK--who btw, is a lovely woman. Hope these eamils were of help. Bye now. venantius Goa
[Goanet] Saligao Feasst- Sunday 3/5/09
Dear Members Friends The GWS is forwading this message as requested by the Saligao union- see attachment. Joyce Shamshudin For the GWS
Re: [Goanet] Goa Nite 2009 (Singapore)
Congratulations and best wishes for the evening to the Friends of Goa in Singapore. You have a good theme and good arrangements: Goa Feni from Madame Rosa Goa sausages A Bombay live band And of course my favorite - Singapore Tiger beer. Wish organizers of Goan village functions here in Toronto would do likewise. Here we would have: Scotch and Canadian or European beer Punjabi banquet hall food - typically the butter chicken of which if I see another plate I will puke, mutton masala (meat pieces floating in oil), tandoori chicken and pakoras. Fit for the palate of a Punjabi truck driver on the Grand Trunk Road to Ludhiana. Nobody speaks in Konkani. You may even see someone in a ten gallon Texas hat and cowboy boots. As if somehow Tivim has a strong connection with Texas. The only concession to a Goan village social for such Toronto functions would be some females dressed in their best Gulf fashions of 1975, having reluctance to discard these passe clothing in deference to their memories of Gulf heydays. Roland. -- Roland Francis http://roland-torontogoan.blogspot.com +1 (416) 453.3371 On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 12:06 AM, FRIENDS OF GOA singapore_go...@yahoo.com.sg wrote: Goa Nite 2009 Dinner 'n' Dance at the Singapore Swimming Club, Tanjong Rhy Road, Singapore 6th June 2009, 7[m to 1am Adult - $60 3-12yrs - $30 below 3yrs - free Petula Rodericks Beven Fonseca Live Band from Mumbai Goan Sausages (Chorizo) Air Lifted from Goa Cashew Fenny Shots Courtesy Madame Rosa (Goa) Limited free flow of Tiger beer Community Sunset Mass at 6pm - Church of Our Lady Queen of Peace, 4 Sandy Lane, Singapore
[Goanet] Goans worst racists ?
I am not aware how Goans in Goa could be accused of racism . For racism to exist in Goa it presupposes that there are people in Goa with skins darker than the one Goans usually have. The only time Goans could have exercised some sort of racism with impunity was when they were residents of Portuguese Africa or British East Africa. But what is most interesting is the behaviour of Goans in the U.K. and North America (NA ) towards Goans of Goa/India; It is rather fortunate that not many Goans of Goa/India , who have money to burn , visit frequently UK/NA to meet their counterparts inthe Atlantic Region. Those who do are mostly elderly Goans who venture in this region to meet their children and their families. When Goans from UK/NA land in Goa for holidays they remember all their friends in various villages and specially their birthdays. With the attitude of Wall Street's masters of the universe they expect to be heartily welcomed , feted with six or seven course lunch/dinner and besides they expect their Goan counterparts to have ample time for their disposal. And what happens when Goan country bumpkins visit western countries ? Oh ! no, you are most welcome but we do not have time. you know how busy life is in the west.At most they condescend to entertain Goan visitors at some run down restaurant for tea and biscuits. Well, perhaps we would like to meet you in Goa on our next holiday. Antonio
[Goanet] Hallucinations
--- On Tue, 4/28/09, Fr. Ivo C. de Souza icso...@bsnl.in wrote: Science cannot prove it, but the experiment shows that the experience is mediated by a reality outside the brain. Otherwise, it would be 'hallucination'... The above assertion betrays a lack of understanding of brain experiments and hallucinations. Experimental evidence indicates that hallucinations are associated with the same kind of brain activity that is associated with mystical experiences. There is at present no way of distinguishing between mystical experiences and hallucinations based on electrical recording or magnetic imaging experiments conducted on the brain. Cheers, Santosh
[Goanet] Picketing the Revolution: 'Their' Revolution, Our Democracy and a Fascist Imagination
Picketing the Revolution: 'Their' Revolution, Our Democracy and a Fascist Imaginationhttp://dervishnotes.blogspot.com/2009/04/picketing-revolution-their-revolution.html Portugal’s Carnation Revolution was a significant moment in global history because it marked the simultaneous liberation of both colonizers and colonized from dictatorial power. With the fall of the Salazarist regime, the Portuguese people were able to move into a system of democratic governance. At the same time the African colonies of Portugal saw a halt to the Portuguese colonial wars and were born into independent sovereign existence. For India the fall of the Salazarist regime saw Portugal recognize India’s claims over Goa. There is very little to protest therefore, at least from an Indian nationalist and standard anti-colonialist point of view. It was for these reasons that the presence of a screaming mob from the Hindu Janajagruthi Samiti outside the Instituto Camoes in Panjim was something of a mystery to those attending the celebrations on the twenty-fourth. To unravel this mystery we need to refer to the news report by the Navhind Times dated the twenty-fifth of April. The report indicates that earlier in the day a bunch of ‘freedom fighters’ led by Naguesh Karmali had approached the Vice-Chancellor of the Goa University demanding to know why the University was involved in the celebrations. These freedom fighters argued that “celebration of the national events of Portugal in Goa [are] an insult to the sentiments of freedom fighters as well as people…who fought for the Liberation of Goa from colonial rule”. To suggest why even the commemoration of an anti-colonial moment in Portugal’s history could nevertheless be odious to the Goan people, Karmali indicated that “those persons, who were active part of Portuguese dictatorship under Salazar regime, became integral part of democratic governance in that country after 1974 by sidelining the Communist, whose role in the Portuguese Revolution was undisputed”. Karmali has never been known for logic, and this time his logic is just plain bizarre! It is clear that all he is trying to do is demonize Portugal and the Portuguese people. In the eyes of Karmali, the eyes through which he would like all Goans to see history and Portugal, the Portuguese are irredeemable. They are, forever evil, and we should sever all ties with Portugal. Karmali would be least concerned with the Portuguese however, if it were not for people in Goa who wish to continue having links with the Portuguese. It is these people that irk him the most, and it is really the links of these people with Portugal that he would like sever. “[V]arious activities previously held in Goa and linked to the erstwhile Portuguese rule as well as culture of that country, have a certain community as their focus, and are aimed toward creating a divide in Goan society”. It sounds as if Karmali is suggesting, though admittedly not openly saying so, that it is the Goan Catholics that harbour a fondness for the Portuguese. Thankfully, we know this suggestion to be factually incorrect. A good number of the students at the Instituto bear such surnames as Tari, Chari, Khaunte, Bhobhe, Kamat, Pai, Vernekar, Amonkar, Naik. The students at the Instituto increasingly come from a variety of social and religious backgrounds making Karmali’s statements meaningless. As such we should study Karmali’s statements not for the community he means, but for the community he seeks to create, and the company he keeps. Interestingly at the demonstration on the evening of the twenty-fourth, Karmali himself was not present. This seems to correspond to a larger pattern emerging in India, where the violent positions are by and large taken by lower-caste groups belong to such outfits as the Bajrang Dal, Shri Ram Sene, Hindu Janajagruthi Samithi, while the BJP, largely composed of upper-castes and the anglicized, toes the moderate line and makes soft, polite noises of disapproval. Nevertheless we should see both groups as acting in concert, playing that age-old game of ‘Good Cop – Bad Cop’. When the BJP is seen as the only group that can control these louts, it makes sense to the average citizen, to elect the BJP so that these elements are kept in place. The demonstration outside the Instituto should be seen not as a peaceful demonstration but an active attempt to intimidate, both Goan citizens of India, as well as the Portuguese institutions in Goa. Cultural aspects apart, the systematic picketing and threatening of Portuguese related cultural events in Goa, should and must be seen as an attempt to hound the Portuguese institutions out of Goa. If this is the intention, what possibly motivates this action? On the cultural front, we do not have to fear that the Goan Catholic culture will die if we loose a link with Portugal. Large portions of the Goan Catholic have also had a robust relationship with British-India and the English-language cultures. These
[Goanet] Talking Photo: 'Bol'
Talking Photo: 'Bol' http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk18/3487038666/sizes/l/ Bol pronounce as 'Ball' as in football 'Bol' (Sing/Pl.) It' part of the following over i doz other Goan.. http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk4/213413960/ joego...@yahoo.co.uk for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
[Goanet] THOMAS STEPHENS KONKNNI KENDR
*AWARD CONFIRMING FUNCTION AT TSKK* “TSKK chooses the right people for its awards and TSKK awards are greater than the Sahitya Akademi awards because, they are given to deserving people and they are given by our own household institution.” said Mr. Pandharinath Lotlikar, the ex-director of Panaji Doordarshan. He was speaking as the Chief Guest at Thomas Stephens Konknni Kendr’s (TSKK) awards giving function. He further said “Devanagari and Roman scripts are twin children of a mother. A real mother cannot kill one child for the sake of another. A mother loves her both kids. Let both scripts flourish in Goa in unity. Let the government extend equal facilities to Roman script which are at present exclusively available to Nagari script”. He praised TSKK for its service to Konknni and said that TSKK instead of inviting politicians as Chief guests has set a good example by inviting only veteran Konknni stalwarts to felicitate its awardees. The function was held at TSKK premises at Alto Porvorim, Goa on 28 April at 5.30 pm. The Chief Guest conferred the prestigious Antonio Pereira Konknni Puroskar (APKP) of Thomas Stephens Konknni Kendr (TSKK) on Fr. Almir de Sousa for his contribution to religious Konknni literature. Fr Almir has worked with passion and zeal for the last forty years to implement the Vatican Second Council’s vision to promote local languages in liturgy and para-liturgical domains. Since Konknni is the official language of the liturgy in the archdiocese of Goa, Fr. Almir worked tirelessly to promote Konknni in Goa through his books, articles and Konknni ministry. He is the nineteenth recipient of APKP. The award consisted of a shawl, memento and cash Rs. 25,000/-. The previous recipients of APKP Mr. Tomazinho Cardozo and Mr. Yusuf Sheikh and over hundred fifty people were present for the function. Fr. Almir has written and edited 25 Konknni books. Some of the important books are *Utor ani Jivit* a Series containing of five books; *Magnneacho Turo* 6 booklets, *Somiachem Jevonn, Mis* and 8 books of Konknni Catechism. Fr. Almir held many responsible positions in the Goa Archdiocese. He has served as the prefect of Saligão Seminary, Pro-Notary in Archbishop’s House, Secretary of Diocesan Catechetical Centre, Secretary of Diocesan Liturgical Centre, and Director of Pastoral Centre. He has served as a Parish Priest at St. Estevão and Verna. At present he is the Parish priest of Ucassaim in Bardes taluka. He started the Parish bulletins *St. Estevanchi Zap* and *Vernechi Zap* at St. Estevão and Verna respectively. At Ucassaim he improved the parish bulletin *Zagruti*. Fr. Almir still continues to promote Konknni in liturgical and other religious services in Goa. In his speech Fr. Almir stressed that all Goans must contribute their mite to uplift Konknni by speaking, reading and writing. He expressed his desire that every household should subscribe at least one Konknni periodical and read it. At the same function Konknni poet Walter Menezes was given TSKK’s ‘*Konknni Martir Floriano Vaz Puroskar (KMFVP)’* for his poetry book *Zoit* as the best Konknni book of 2009 year written in Roman script. Walter Menezes is a noted Konknni writer. Besides Konknni, he writes articles in English. The award consisted of a shawl, memento and cash Rs. 5,000/-. Ms Shilpa Salvi and Ms Joanita D’Silva of TSKK recited two Konknni poems of Walter Menezes from his book *Zoit*. While replying to the award, Walter said that he would continue to serve Konknni in roman script and dedicate his next book to Konknni Martir Floriano Vaz and release it on his death day, namely on 20 December. Fr. Ave Maria Afonso, the executive editor of Konknni monthly *Dor Mhoineachi Rotti* for the last three years was felicitated by the chief guest during this function. Ms Preeta Naik Parab introduced Fr. Ave to the audience. The guest of honour and the Provincial Superior of Goa Jesuit Province Rev. Dr. Anthony da Silva, S.J. thanked Fr. Ave for his three years of dedicated service to Jesuits. At this occasion Ms Concy Fernandes, a XII standard student from Vasco was awarded Lourenço Umbelina scholarship by Mr. Walter Fernandes. Fr. Pratap Naik, S.J. the director of TSKK welcomed the gathering. Ms Netra Kundaikar gave vote of thanks. Konknni writer and last year’s KMFVP recipient Mr. Daniel D’Souza compered the function with his excellent style.
[Goanet] NEWS: Sonia a gamble at Rs 18, Manmohan ‘safe’ at 1.35
Sonia a gamble at Rs 18, Manmohan ‘safe’ at 1.35 Mumbai The odds offered on Lal Krishna Advani becoming the Prime Minister are pegged at Rs 2.40 against every rupee one bets, while those for Manmohan Singh are Rs 1.35. The smaller the return, the better the chances of the candidate winning: Indian bookies are unanimous that the Ram temple agenda does not make for good money. The odds offered on Sharad Pawar and Sonia Gandhi becoming PM are even higher, Rs 7 and Rs 18 to a rupee. In the Indian election betting circus (the 2004 polls saw a turnover at Rs 20,000 crore in the black market), there is a figure for every politician. It is alleged politicians contribute more than half the black money in circulation. As far as government formation goes, the odds are against the Third Front at Rs 14, way behind the 77 paise offered for the UPA and Rs 1.37 paise for the National Democratic Alliance. “There is a betting ring for each event in India, the monsoon, cricket, and national events, but the election ring involves a different kind of mindset, and a lion’s heart,” said a bookie. “Cricket betting has anywhere between 200 to 500 bookies in any of the key regions of Calcutta, Guwahati, Mumbai, Jaipur and New Delhi, while betting on politicians in election season has an average of 25 big bookies across the country. Unlike cricket, where betting is done by watching television and the weather forecast, election betting is based on the finer details of what a politician does not say in his election speeches and the cards that political leaders play,” he added. “You must also understand that in cricket we never get the dressing room details for betting but in election season inputs on every politician and party are gathered. Many party workers are constant hotlines for bookies, giving every tiny detail or inside information.” In Mumbai, where bets opened a fortnight ago, the turnover is already touching crores. Veteran and five-time BJP MP Ram Naik stands at 50 paise while Sanjay Nirupam of the Congress can fetch you Rs 1.65, Gajanan Kirtikar 77 paise, Gurudas Kamat Rs 1.30 and Abu Azmi Rs 9. Last year bookies were confident of Congress candidate for North-Central Priya Dutt’s win; the betting was on the number of votes she will win. This year the betting rates are worked between her win at 32 paise against Rs 3. paise for BJP candidate Mahesh Jethmalani. Mumbai-South looks good for Congress MP Milind Deora at 82 paise, with Shiv Sena candidate Mohan Rawle at Rs 1.15. The bookies’ favourite is the “most visible” candidate, Kirit Somaiya, at 72 paise with his rival NCP candidate Sanjay Dina Patil pitted at Rs 1.20. http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/sonia-a-gamble-at-rs-18-manmohan-safe-at-1.35/452832/
[Goanet] COMMENT: The Goan political rigmarole (Mario Cabral e Sa, in GT)
The Goan political rigmarole Good governance is the least worry of the current government By Mario Cabral e Sa mariocabra...@yahoo.co.in Courtesy: Gomantak Times I do hope that last Thursday you exercised your franchise wisely. The chance comes your way, barring a major post-poll upset, once in every five years. That is how long you would normally have to repent your bad choice or to commend yourself on your wisdom. The choice, as I wrote elsewhere, is limited to two parties: the INC-NCP, if you prize secularism, or the BJP if you don't. Voting for an Independent or a regional party would normally be a vote wasted. But in the North Goa context, a vote for MGP is equal to a vote against BJP. Generally speaking, it is true that independents have a better understanding of local issues, but they have no voice in Parliament. Likewise, in South Goa a vote for Matanhy Saldanha is a vote against Cogress and BJP will the gainer. Equally true, Matanhy's voice will never be heard in the parliament and if heard will not be listened to. By the time you read this column -- after a two week break due to unavoidable health reasons -- the fate of both the Goa MPs will lie sealed in the EVMs. But the political scene will hot up in the coming weeks. Mickky Pacheco's disqualification petition against Churchill Alemao and Reginaldo Lourenço pending before Speaker Pratapsing Rane will gain momentum. On the face of it, Pacheco has a good case. Whether or not it is ethical for a member of the cabinet to seek the disqualification of his colleague will always be debatable. Obviously, CM Digambar Kamat either did not try to dissuade Pacheco or tried and failed. It is something we might never know. The exit of a minister will be a godsend to the CM. He has to re-induct Pandurang Madkaikar, who, so far, whatever the inducement proffered, has changed his stance from angry threats of retaliation made some months back to exemplary patience. Additionally, Digambar Kamat, is himself a businesses man and will be well aware of the way businesses are run in the country. He will know how rich a cow PWD has been, is and will be, and that Churchill will not be in a hurry to put it to pasture. Being as shrewd as any good Saraswat is, Diggu-bab needs no prompting about why our roads are as brittle as they are and public buildings as shoddy. They are an illustration of built-in obsolescence. Private entrepreneurs who know how expensive cheap could be, do not, as a matter of prudence and good business practice, allot tenders to the cheapest offerer. In fact, many of them reject outright offers below what according to their departmental calculation would be fair and reasonable. It is a private sector norm still followed by the now nationalised petrol pumps. * * * The point to remember is that the Alemao Brothers are a breed apart. Their intentions are clear: if the Speaker disqualifies Churchill, Joaquim, too, will retaliate. Not for them such niceties as the Speaker being an independent arbiter. That, in fact, any one trying to influence his judgement would render herself/himself guilty of breach of privilege and be liable to stern action, perhaps even disqualification. Not for them either the generally accepted CM's privilege to allocate, which also means disallocate portfolios. As Joaquim Alemao put it, and you are free to draw your illations, they all 'eat at the same tabl'. Make no mistake about it: mealtime unites them. And PWD is a mealy, meaty portfolio. Both the CM and GPCC president Subash Shirodkar have given clear indications that they intend being extremely patient and put up with good father Churchill's tantrums. Shirodkar went as far as to assure Valanka, that her turn will surely come. Buffoonery is sometimes effective. Which does not mean that Churchill Alemao will not be up to tricks. One hears that he has already played some on April 23. The only Congress MLA and minister who is daring and defiant, Aleixo Sequeira has spoken his mind: show him the door, he said almost in so many words. What should worry the citizen is that governance continues to be the least worry of this government. Almost two years have gone by. The remaining three of its tenure hold no hope of improvement. * * * My friend and former colleague John Barros Pereira who cut his teeth as a writer and analyst of local problems in his days of apprenticeship in the short-lived Goa Monitor -- he now teaches English in Kyoto, married a Japanese lady who is an artist and speaks Japanese with his children -- put it very well in one of his frequent letters to the editors of all manner of Goan news and views papers. GOD aka Goa's Ordinance Day is indeed a dark night of the soul for the people of the great state of Goa. That a Supreme Court verdict has been reduced to zero in the
[Goanet] Talking Photos: Shirgao Zatra, fire walking, legendary Milagres Saibinn's sister Lairai Devi etc
Talking Photos: Shirgao Zatra, fire walking, legendary Milagres Saibinn's sister Lairai Devi etc The famous Shirgao Zatra (Fire walking etc) Night of 29th April 2008 till next day early morning This year we left around 1.30am and it was 2am when we reached Mondovi bridge. WE took different route this time via Tivim-Asnora Just after 2.30 we arrived and had to walk about 35 minutes to the temple from the car park (this is the minimum time taken by everybody either route). Fire walking started around 3 am. I thought they were running on live coals for about 50 metres atleast but what we saw was just about 4/5 metre stretch. To be honest, to me it is not really a fire walking. Few will run while it is red hot and most will run when it is almost died down. The crowed was as usual of which Dhonds (Fire Walkers) would be about 30% but by putting all donds and their family together it would make about 50% of the total crowd. Dhonds were in thousands. See pics. Surprisingly, one of the Dhonds, who recognized me in the crowd, was my old time school class mate. Very sharp memory! We left the temple at 4 am and arrived at the car park 4.40am and back home before 6. Following are some of the pics captured this year (prev. years also shown). Trying to make a small clip on fire walking but it did not come out good due to poor light or due to back light conditions. Shri Lairai Devi (legendary sister of Our Lady of Milagres, Mapusa) http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk19/3487757224/sizes/l/ The Temple http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk19/3487755682/sizes/l/ Inside Tempe 1 http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk19/3487756808/sizes/l/ inside Temple 2 http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk19/3487756262/sizes/l/ Fire or Homkund or Pyre http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk19/3486884735/sizes/l/ The Pyre (under the holy tree) http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk19/3487754866/sizes/l/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk19/3487761632/sizes/l/ Dhonds (Who runs thru the fire) http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk19/3487700468/sizes/l/ Dhonds queuing up for fire walk http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk19/3486942045/sizes/l/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk19/3486940959/sizes/l/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk19/3486941749/sizes/l/ Fire Walking http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk19/3487755414/sizes/l/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk19/3487755146/sizes/l/ Prev. Years: Homkund http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk5/2478752073/sizes/l/ Khajem http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk5/2478752317/sizes/l/ Temple http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk5/2478752969/sizes/l/ ladoos http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk5/2478752525/sizes/l/ joego...@yahoo.co.uk for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
Re: [Goanet] Religion and Science
From: Mario Goveia mgov...@sbcglobal.net Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 19:05:58 +0530 From: Fr. Ivo C. de Souza icso...@bsnl.in I cannot study Theology without studying Science at all. Mario observes: Padre Ivo, With all due respect, if you are continuing to insist that the existence of God can be proven by science, after once agreeing that science cannot prove or disprove the existence of God, then, as Goanet's lone voice of reason, truth and peace, I am forced to conclude that you may have studied Theology and Science, but understood little of both. But he can discuss this topic without knowing Theology at all. Mario responds: I think if this discussion was about Theology you wouldn't hear a peep out of Santosh. Unfortunately, this discussion is not about Theology but about questionable experiments that are being passed off as scientific and bogus assertions that there is no conflict between religion and science. ***This long discussion has been triggered by posts of pseudo-science, coming from the scientist Dr.Santosh, who would disprove whatever would refer to God or religion in the name of Science. This is the answer: There is no conflict between Science and Theology. If I had understood little of both, I would have not argued in favour of harmony between the truth systems. I have understood better than Dr.Santosh and you what is the relationship between Science and historical Revelation, that prompts me to stand by my contention. You are misquoting and misunderstanding me. This is neither Science nor Theology... Regards. Fr.Ivo
Re: [Goanet] RELIGION AND SCIENCE
From: Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com --- On Sun, 4/26/09, J. Colaco jc cola...@gmail.com wrote: He gave me additional reason to believe in my beliefs until he places #3 wherein he then goes on to say that we (should) we not take our beliefs too seriously. Hummh! Taking beliefs too seriously, in my opinion, is succumbing to excessive self-righteousness and over-zealousness. To the extent that one can believe over-zealously in the goodness of all normal human beings and that someone made a gaffe, I suppose my statement is applicable to these harmless beliefs of mine as well, or for that matter, this one. ***People have died for their Faith. This is their witness that they cling to a Reality (or to Somebody, God or Jesus). This is not 'self-righteousness' nor 'over-zealousness'. They have to take issues of faith and human freedom 'seriously'. You cannot believe 'over-zealously' in the 'goodness of all normal human beings'. Someone made a gaffe cannot go unpunished, particularly when it damages human life, dignity, safety. The human world is full of human and scientific gaffes... victimising humankind. We experience human greatness, side by side with human frailty. That is precisely the problem of human freedom, the mystery of Sin and Grace. Your 'belief' will not be 'harmless', since it does not correspond to the reality. Scientific statistics prove you wrong... Seriously though, I'd like to study the evidence Santoshbab refers to in #4 The two most thorough reviews on all the intercessory prayer studies published so far are: 1. Roberts L, Ahmed I, Hall S, and Davison A (2009) Intercessory prayer for the alleviation of ill health, Cochrane Database of Systematic Reviews, April 15,(2):CD000368. 2. Masters KS, Spielmans GI, and Goodson JT. (2006) Are there demonstrable effects of distant intercessory prayer? A meta-analytic review, Annals of Behavioral Medicine, 32(1):21-6. ***Any thought or feeling can influence our health. So also any suggestion or prayer can have impact on our health and life. Even 'distant intercessory prayer' does have results. It does not necessarily mean that the incurable diseases will be cured. But it can ameliorate the situation. We have enough evidence in the prayer meetings. Regards. Fr.Ivo
[Goanet] The Information TEchnology Act 2008
Dear Shrikant, Why are you saying There are likely to be strong protest after election... Election in Goa is over unless you are referring to all Indiathinking on this ACT is already being undertaken ... and I assure you the so called SAM will never ever have the place in this PLAYhe played too much with out taking any couching of acting in DRAMA.and finally he just cannot get or rather get any support from so called freedom fighterS... Best regards, Dr. U. G. Barad
[Goanet] FEATURE: Long live the queen... a peep into Sawantwadi (Onilda Fernandes/Lisa Monteiro -- GT)
LONG LIVE THE QUEEN: A PEEP INTO NEARBY SAWANTWADI'S ROYALTY A chance encounter with Maharani Satvashiladevi Bhonsale during a tour of temples in North Goa, took Onilda Fernandes and Lisa Monteiro to Sawantwadi in South Maharashtra where they came face-to-face with history, art and a story of a Queen determined to keep her palace. She's busier than a CEO, overseeing a maternity home and a college simultaneously. As if that's not enough, she also has her own workshop, where she personally works with paintings, embroidery and the likes. Living life queen size? Far from it -- yet admirably, 73-year-old Rani Satvashiladevi Bhonsle (Rajmata) of Sawantwadi never looks ruffled. Even caring for six acres of palace grounds independently, doesn't stymie her. States an adamant Bhonsle, I don't want the government's help. They once tried to take this palace away from me. Why, I live here! Where did they expect me to go? The municipality can be really nasty that way. But I stuck to my ground, literally. And her grudge does have adequate reason. I have seen the buildings that the municipality has taken over. They have completely ruined them. Stonework is replaced by concrete. I would hate to see my private property subject to such a destruction. True to her word, The Palace (Rajwada) in the Sindhudurg district of Sawantwadi, Maharashtra, rightfully remains hers. Quiz Her Highness on the practicality of maintaining such a historical site and she is quick to respond, It is not easy. I have to pay my staff well. But I manage with the income from coconut trees in the palace grounds and handicrafts that we sell. ROYAL BLOOD It's an apocryphal tale. But it bears repetition. One royal family marries into another. In this case, Rani Satvashiladevi Bhonsle from Baroda was married to Lt Col H H Shivram Sawant Bhonsle, Raja of Sawantwadi. I am the third generation princess from Baroda marrying into this family. Thus, my mother-in-law, was a blood relation, actually my aunt, chuckles the Maharani. Take her back into time when monarchy still reigned supreme, and she is quick to narrate, I was only six months old when I was first made to ride a horse. In those days, the moment we could sit, we had to get on horseback. Two people would hold me, while I maneuvered with the reins. Young princess Satvashiladevi was also made to learn table tennis, badminton and cricket besides having two Swiss Governesses to teach her etiquettes and English. Her formal education continued at Private Prince's school in Baroda up till the SSC level, before she was married off, at the tender age of 16 years. Once married, my husband understood my love for painting, embroidery and the likes and encouraged me to pursue my hobbies, acknowledges the Maharani. And why wouldn't he? Being the artistic person that he was. My husband loved art in all it forms. He was a talented musician and even won a gold medal for his Indian classical and western music. However, I remember at one time, he was so fed up of practicing the same notes on the violin, that he actually sat on it!, laughs the Rajmata. Paired together Ever since the queen made the taluka of Sawantwadi her home, both success and adulation wooed the royal couple ardently. Courting both with equanimity, the Raja stood for Assembly election and won the seat of Sawantwadi for 25 years, until the year 1995, when he passed away. Being the Raja's right hand, the Rani assisted him by sitting on many government and semi government committees, like the State Social Welfare Board. She was also District President of Mahila Arthik Mahamandal and President of Mahila Audyogik Utpadak Sahakari Santha Ltd. In 1961, the couple started a joint venture in one of their palaces, a college -- Shri Pancham Khemraj Mahavidyalaya (named after her father-in-law) for the poor and economically backward children. It is one of the first colleges in the region and to this day, it grows, adapting quite a number of new courses like MSc, Zoology, Apiculture, Bio Technology, etc. This academic year I have initiated a K.G. and English medium primary school, declares the ever-progressive Maharani. THAT MAJESTIC TOUCH In spite of their hectic schedule, the royal couple, managed to give art a dream like twirl. Inspired to take the initiative in 1972, the Raja began the revival of the traditional art of Ganjifa cards. Recalls the Maharani, There was only one old man, 87 years or age, who did this kind of work. So, we took upon ourselves the task of getting young students from different walks of life, trained under this artist. And as destiny would have it, the entire Darbar Hall was evacuated of the different administrative offices that functioned there and replaced by workbenches. To this day, you will find at least five-six people working consistently on the intricacies of the Ganjifa cards,
Re: [Goanet] Goa Nite 2009 (Singapore)
Roland Francis wrote: Wish organizers of Goan village functions here in Toronto would do likewise. Here we would have: Scotch and Canadian or European beer Punjabi banquet hall food - typically the butter chicken of which if I see another plate I will puke, mutton masala (meat pieces floating in oil), tandoori chicken and pakoras. Fit for the palate of a Punjabi truck driver on the Grand Trunk Road to Ludhiana. Folks, Village associations here in Toronto have been organizing 'Village Feasts' for the past thirty years. With thirty years experience, these events are well run, well attended and are a lot of fun. These events are usually held in banquet halls that are popular with those attending. The organizers know that the better the banquet hall, the better the attendance will be. In addition to the menu offered by the banquet hall, all 'Village Feasts I have attended have at least one Goan dish, usually sorpotel (and at times with sanna's). The last time I was involved in organizing such an event, someone came up to me, two hours after it was announced that dinner was served, to enquire why there was no food left for him. When I asked him where he was for the past two hours, he answered, I was enjoying myself. Mervyn1650Lobo __ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com.
Re: [Goanet] Goans worst racists ?
This is very funny! All Goans (whether by ethnicity or domicile, or expat-born and foreign-based) are heartily invited to the run-down (don't quote me on this!) Cafe Prakash for tea and whatever snacks are available! And I promise you, I'll be half an hour late too, to add to the pretence of my self-importance :-) FN PS: Ula, thanks for raking up this debate via your letter! Some things simply have to be said. PPS: We may not be the worst racists, but we're pretty bad in our own way! 2009/4/29 Antonio Menezes ac.mene...@gmail.com wrote: When Goans from UK/NA land in Goa for holidays they remember all their friends in various villages and specially their birthdays. With the attitude of Wall Street's masters of the universe they expect to be heartily welcomed , feted with six or seven course lunch/dinner and besides they expect their Goan counterparts to have ample time for their disposal. And what happens when Goan country bumpkins visit western countries ? Oh ! no, you are most welcome but we do not have time. you know how busy life is in the west.At most they condescend to entertain Goan visitors at some run down restaurant for tea and biscuits. Well, perhaps we would like to meet you in Goa on our next holiday. Antonio
[Goanet] Fw: Late Fr.Antonio Pereira award for Fr.Almir from Saligao
From: allwyn de Souza The prestigious late Fr.Anton Pereira award for contribution to Konkanni literature was given to Rev.Fr.Almir de Souza from from Grande- Morod, Saligao. The award is given to those who have made valuable contributions in the field of Konkanni literature . Fr. Almir has several books, articles and contributions towards Konkanni and in the teaching of Cathecism and his work spans over 40 years . He also writes on Dor Mhuinneachi Roti - the oldest Konkanni magazine in Goa established in 1915 and first published from Karachi and now printed at Xaverian Press . Another award of Late Martyr Florian Vaz went to Mr.Walter Menezes for his contribution towards konkanni and another award was given to Fr.Afonso for his contributions to the 'Dor Mhuinneachi Roti ' The award ceremony was held at Thomas Stephens Konkanni Kendr - Porvorim in the distinguished presence of Mr. Premanand Lotlikar , Tomazin Cardoz , several priests, nuns and lay people and was very nicely compered by Mr.Daniel D'Souza ( also from Arrarim - Saligao ) Allwyn.
[Goanet] Goans worst racists ?
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 09:51:29 -0500 From: Antonio Menezes ac.mene...@gmail.com I am not aware how Goans in Goa could be accused of racism. For racism to exist in Goa it presupposes that there are people in Goa with skins darker than the one Goans usually have. Mario observes: Racism is the wrong word to use for Goans in Goa because everyone there is supposed to be of the same race, regardless of their skin color. However, many Goans can be accused of casteism, which is just as bad. Antonio wrote: When Goans from UK/NA land in Goa for holidays they remember all their friends in various villages and specially their birthdays. With the attitude of Wall Street's masters of the universe they expect to be heartily welcomed , feted with six or seven course lunch/dinner and besides they expect their Goan counterparts to have ample time for their disposal. Mario responds: I agree that some Goans from the west behave like masters of the universe when they are in Goa - except me of course, who loves being in Goa when I can and behaves just like any other gaunti. I even manage without a chauffeur and get most of my food from D'Silva's or George's or Godhino's, when I'm not eating at Branco's or Rio Rico's or Viva Panjim, where you may die of hunger while waiting for the excellent food to be served [Sorry, Linda, just telling it like it is!]:-)) However, I must be missing something if these supposed masters of the universe are being feted with six and seven course meals, because I am only being served three and four course meals, some of which I am having to pay for myself:-)) Antonio wrote: And what happens when Goan country bumpkins visit western countries? Oh ! no, you are most welcome but we do not have time. you know how busy life is in the west. At most they condescend to entertain Goan visitors at some run down restaurant for tea and biscuits. Mario responds: Now, Antonio, you are skating on thin ice:-)) Perhaps you are referring to the UK and Canada - except for my friends in the UK and Canada who are the best and always have time for their friends:-)) In the USA, those country bumpkins you are referring to have a hard time getting visas. For those who do get visas, we make time for all our Goan friends, pick them up at the airports in our Mercedes-Benz limousines, put them up at our palatial estates, ply them at our private wet bars with Johnny Walker Black and Green Label Scotch and other premium adult beverages, followed by Drambuie, BB, Harvey's or Bailey's, whichever they prefer, serve them sumptuous meals, all while Luzia Noronha's silky-smooth voice on A touch of class CD plays softly in the background on surround sound systems:-)) I have no idea how anyone considers Lorna better than Luzia. If you don't believe me hear for yourself by clicking on the link below and buying this exquisite CD which has Konkani and Portuguese music. http://www.angelav.com/itm.php?smd=1t=stis=v=h=med=lab=gen=goa=nm=lan=i=34pg=0is=a=iss=vol= Anyway, if I knew you I would show you what I have described above myself, at least the time and food and drink and Luzia's silky-smooth voice part, but you will have to manage in a less than estate sized house and do without the Mercedes. However, if you visit George Pinto in California, whom everyone on Goanet knows personally, you will see everything I have described for yourself. So, let George know when you can visit him:-))
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[Goanet] Goanet Greetings - April 30, 2009
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Re: [Goanet] RELIGION AND SCIENCE
From: J. Colaco jc cola...@gmail.com Dear Fr. Ivo, I had asked Santoshbab for evidence that 'Prayer does not work'. He referred me to two papers which I have not yet reviewed. When I review them, I will put them through the following series of evaluatory questions... Now ... you say you have evidence (possibly from your prayer groups) that prayer works. Would you please direct me (or someone else) to the 'evidence', so that it can be scientifically analysed? I belong to the set of individuals who believes that prayer helps them. However, for me to say that it is likely to help others, I will have to provide scientific proof. If I may say it Fr. Ivo, your posts epitomise why there is such a dichotomy between the Church and the Scientific community. And yet, many among the Scientists are Catholic. Look at your position on Homeopathy: I must say that it is astonishing. ***Homeopathy is working wonders, though it has its own limits just like any other medical system. It is not a panacea for all evils of the world. You can read the book of Dr.S.Chander Madan, Homeopathy Cures when Allopathy Fails, New Delhi, 2005, or you can speak to him. He will answer you better... I do not wish to discuss any more, since you know nothing about it. ( ps: this subject appears to be going nowhere. You, Fr Ivo, are taking an impossible stand. It looks unlikely that you are interested in dialogue. And that is unfortunate for me, a practising Catholic, to see that a Catholic priest is so intransigent. I have grown up in the Jesuit system which has taught me to reason and question matters which affect others. Your posts indicate a diametrically opposite philosophy. ***What do you want me to do: accept that homeopathy is 'bogus', that God is a delusion, that mystical experiences of the Carmelite nuns are 'hallucinations', that Science can explain every mystery of human existence, that Christian Faith is not historical, that Jesus is not the Son of God? All this is firmly established even more than the scientific Bigbang theory... We cannot state that intercessory prayer does not work. This is against Science. See the link www.heritage.com/research/religion/HL816.cfm I did not say that we can force God to cure us, but we pray and get any benefits of inner healing and peace. God will work miracles when he wishes to. Miracles cannot be subjected to double-blind trial. I am working for a dialogue between Science and Theology/Religion. You are resisting to dialogue. I am not 'intransigent', you are. I am speaking to you of something that is already established, you are skeptical. You need to learn more about it. There is no dichotomy between the Church and the scientific community... Vatican is working together with the Pontifical Academy of Sciences. I have learnt not only to doubt and question, but also to research, find out and answer... One day next month, I will write about my encounters with Raul Gonsalves (the Bishop ...not the fake one generated by Rajan Narayan) on the matter of Family Planning. ***It is a very complex discussion from the medical and ethical viewpoint. Regards. Fr.Ivo == Fr. Ivo C. de Souza icso...@bsnl.in wrote: [1] Regarding the power of the intercessory prayer, Dr.Santosh recognizes that evidence indicates that intercessory prayer does not work. [2] Is this belief or scientific proof? [3] We have evidence that it works... [4] Medical experiments do reveal it, from our prayer groups there is more than enough evidence...
[Goanet] RELIGION AND SCIENCE
Hi Fr. Ivo and Mistry, Religion is one of the frequent threads on Goanet. Some of the most active discussants have recently shared with us their knowledge-base about the subject. Since you are active on this subject, you may be forced to respond to any serious or flip remark about religion.. Good luck in making that distinction. Here is a quote I recently read, Those who know a lot about every subject on earth, run the risk of not knowing when to shut up. While intelligent remarks may need a response, the blah ... blah should be ignored so that it flushes down the toilet on its own ... and faster the better. That is a major disadvantage of a sentence by sentence point rebuttal. For some, never-ending e-mails and being on Goanet is a jolly-good way to spend the whole day, while engaging in nothing more than posturing while stroking their ego. Yet this is not therapeutic to most intelligent individuals, who have better things to do, to keep their minds and hands occupied. Being pragmatic is both a state of mind and a sound strategy. Most progressive blogs, now engage in a lead article; followed by varying commentaries from all who care to write. The author does not respond to these comments; though likely they read them for some useful feedback. Clearly an authority cannot be expected to respond to every Tom, Dick and Harry. So I do not think that on Goanet, one needs to respond to every Joao, Caetano, ani Bosteaum ... however much bait they present ... and however articulate and peaceful they may proclaim themselves. So rather than waste your time on minor replies, I suggest that you work your skills in whatever you do to get to the top - Level 5 on the Jim Collins scale. This is done by developing a paradoxical blend of personal humility and professional will. Jim Collins is the author of Good to Great and is mainly about executive skills. In Jim Collins description, the level 5 people / leaders are seemingly quiet people producing extraordinary results. Regards, GL -- Fr. Ivo C. de Souza Religion is a part and parcel of human history. We believe in God. Jesus has given us also the knowledge of God, his Father - Mistri Ganguli Similarly, Humans being animals (or is this speculation and conjecture as well) know that there are entities beyond our being (our existence is not the end of the chain of existence). Some call this superior existence - God, others just believe that there is a super power beyond our animal existence. One does not have to believe in Jesus as son of God to believe in God; we all are creatures of God.
[Goanet] Funny Quotes from Goanet
This week ex-President Pandurang has had an unprecedented expansion of his his mind by reading the following quotes of wisdom: But remember, Science requires also faith. Therefore, I am not mixing science with faith Fr. Ivo, showing how to properly mix science with faith Your reply displays your skill to read and understand what is written. As a scientist, I would have expected better from you. Gilbert Lawrence, apparently attempting to suggest that the following quote of his had a deep metaphorical meaning, not easily understood by ordinary people: So IMO both Religion and Science can be scientific endeavors. Gilbert Lawrence A person with half-a-brain will know that religion is religion; and science is science. Gilbert Lawrence, contradicting his following quote made earlier: So IMO both Religion and Science can be scientific endeavors. Gilbert Lawrence Stating that biology is a lot of chemical reactions, is it a claim that biology becomes chemistry? Stating that radiation oncology involves a study of radiation, is it a claim that radiation oncology is physics? Or to make is more easy for you, if I state that neuroscience involves a study of (electric) brain waves, is it a claim that neuroscience become electrical engineering? Gilbert Lawrence defending and explaining the deep metaphorical meaning behind his following quote made earlier: So IMO both Religion and Science can be scientific endeavors. .Gilbert Lawrence Theology has its methods, exegetical historical, hermeneutical, it is a science. It is a scientific endeavor, it is being developed by history, archaeology, textual criticism, different types of research Fr. Ivo, apparently explaining why Gilbert is literally right in claiming the following: So IMO both Religion and Science can be scientific endeavors. Gilbert Lawrence For some religion could be their science; though I have never met one who makes that claim; and who cannot make that distinction. Gilbert Lawrence, denying that he has met himself in the mirror and Fr. Ivo on the internet. For you to claim that Fr. Ivo was engaging in pseudo-religion, when my comment about pseudo-religion referred to you, was a poor attempt to appear inept. Gilbert Lawrence, demonstrating an excellent attempt to appear inept. Cheers, Santosh
[Goanet] Daily Grook #391
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[Goanet] Now, Check this Video Clip on 'FIRE WALKING'
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