[Goanet] Illegal Migrant Rehabilitation - Rawanfond
*http://www.oheraldo.in/pagedetails.asp?nid=23784cid=26*http://www.oheraldo.in/pagedetails.asp?nid=23784cid=26 All Goans need to support the people of Navelim, who are fighting to prevent their land/fields from being used, to rehabilitate Illegal Migrant Gaddas at Rawanfond. Corrupt Goan MLA's will do what it takes to stay in power; even if it means displacing Goans from their own land, to house their migrant vote-banks; who are illegally occupying land in this case. The Goa Government has the attitude that they can do what they want and I think we Goans are to blame for the same, for electing re-electing them; over over again!! Nevertheless, it is still not too late for us to wake up force our corrupt MLA's and ministers to act; in the interest of Goa Goans!! Arwin Mesquita (UAE) ** http://www.oheraldo.in/pagedetails.asp?nid=23784cid=26 Please post your comments on my Blog: http://goanidentity.blogspot.com/ Please also see below: 1. Benaulim Village Action Committee: http://www.bvacbenaulim.blogspot.com/ 2. Rape of Goa : http://www.parrikar.com/blog/the-rape-of-goa/ 3. Rape of Chicalim : http://rapeofchicalim.wordpress.com/ 4. Boycott Cidade de Goa : http://boycotthotelcidadedegoa.blogspot.com/ 5. MAND - an adivasi-rights resource centre : http://mandgoa.blogspot.com/ -- Please post your comments on my Blog: http://goanidentity.blogspot.com/ Please also see below: 1. Benaulim Village Action Committee: http://www.bvacbenaulim.blogspot.com/ 2. Rape of Goa : http://www.parrikar.com/blog/the-rape-of-goa/ 3. Rape of Chicalim : http://rapeofchicalim.wordpress.com/ 4. Boycott Cidade de Goa : http://boycotthotelcidadedegoa.blogspot.com/ 5. MAND - an adivasi-rights resource centre : http://mandgoa.blogspot.com/
Re: [Goanet] Goa's Freedom Fighters
Mario Goveia wrote: I could have sworn that all those people lining up across Goa to vote in local, state and federal elections since 1961 were all Goans:-)) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 22:09:21 -0400 From: J. Colaco jc cola...@gmail.com You could have sworn a lot of things based on your customary 'faulty intelligence'. It is perhaps that very same faulty intelligence which made you use the phrase since 1961. If you would recheck the 'intelligence', you will note that there were NO elections in 1961 or in 1962 but in late 1963. But how does one convince the 'only voice of reason and truth on GoaNet' of this very basic truth? Mario responds: Jose, To begin with, in a previous post you wanted us to, Duck the question: Were Goans given the choice to autonomously decide their future? whereas it was only since the Portuguese were kicked out in 1961 that Goans were really given the choice to autonomously decide their future which had previously been hijacked and suppressed by their Portuguese colonial masters. Regarding your other comments shown above, where did you see me write that there were elections IN 1961 or 1962? What about since 1961 did you fail to understand, or did you miss the fact that December 1961 is when Goa went from a colonial dictatorship to becoming part of the Indian democracy?
Re: [Goanet] Goa's freedom fighters
Bernado Colaco wrote: Hi Jose, What is not pure waste of time for you? Tentative maratization of Goa!. Tibet is an autonomous region of China. The Dalai Lama wants more autonomy. Please discuss Goa issues on Goa net. Don't go geometric. == My dear Bernado, Let me try 'unconvolute' your post and attempt to respond. 1: Reading a good book is NOT pure waste of time for me. 2: Tentative (uncertain) maratization of Goa vs Settled chow-meinification of Tibet? 3: Autonomy and Tibet in the same sentence (sans qualification) is highly 'oxygenated moronism' 4: I was discussing Goa on Goanet, when Bernado came up with a blah blah blah link about Nehru and brought the topic of China invading India on the table. Now, suddenly, bernado wants to play 'Peking Duck'! 5: My choice is between my linear geometry and your obfuscated trignometry. jc
[Goanet] British families buying property in Goa
I have been following the above postings on the Goanet. Let me elaborate what I know in point form. 1. Any foreigner who wants to buy property in Goa, cannot do so, u nless he buys in the company name. 2. A couple friends of mine, both with British passports. She of Indian origin with an OCI card, he a white British with a PIO card have bought a place in Goa in her name. All very legal. 3. A lot of foreigners have bought places but not signed a 'sale deed' , but a 'lease' which means they are not the owners of the property, mainly flats. These flats were sold by Catholic builders. 4. Those Goans/Indians having foreign passports have now to produce an OCI card if they want to sell their ancestral property in Goa. This has come into effect sometime last year. 5. There are a lot of unscruplous lawyers/builders who are taking people for a ride. 6. Sometimes the titles are not clear especially in Form 1 to IV, and yet sellers are selling properties to people. The buyers also are gulliable and are not verifying the papers. Most of my foreign friends have bought houses/flats legitimally. Ana Maria de Souza-Goswami -- next part -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.0/2209 - Release Date: 06/29/09 14:43:00
[Goanet] Australia and Canada - Two Immigrant Worlds Apart
Even before the recent attacks on Indian students erupted, Goans in Canada who visit Australia return with indelible impressions of racism in Australia. Common perceptions from their visit are: They work much less hard in Australia. They can afford more than us (probably tax-level difference) Sports is more encouraged and nurtured there. They are a definitely racist population. The patronizing remarks made to the Muslim community by various Australian Govt officials from time to time would never be condoned or tolerated in Canada. There was an attempt in Ontario by the community to establish Sharia Law for themselves but strong voices from their women and from others scuttled the attempt. The important thing in Canada is that there was no rancor, just sensible debate. The anti-sharia lobby won and that was that. Now reading this TOI article referenced in Goan Voice UK ( http://www1.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/World/Indians-Abroad/Old-Indians-in-Australia-say-youngsters-invite-attacks/articleshow/4716992.cms), it can be seen that the old Indians in Australia are a pretty ingratiating lot, bent on been seen in a good light by other Australians, finding out all sorts of excuses to distance themselves from the current incidents involving Indian students rather than unitedly standing up against what is clearly racism. One has to live in Canada to appreciate how well integrated the various communities are in the cultural mosaic. While it is my pet peeve that immigrants should be taught oneness rather than encouraged in their diversity, one cannot but help appreciating how immigrants from all over the world are taught to be self-confident in Canada as compared to the seeming desire by immigrants in Australia to try to please white Australians lest they be seen as different. Roland Francis http://roland-torontogoan.blogspot.com +1 (416) 453.3371
[Goanet] Re the Price of Fish
Good morning Eddie, I will try respond to your questions 'in brief'. Q [1] some(of the trawler fishermen) are others are (suppliers to the local market) in part or not at all. Does it make a difference? A [1] Yes. = Q[2] we were discussing foreign tourists and you raised the question of the price of fish? Sorry if I failed to recognise the red herring :-) A[2] Happens = Q[3] ** as a stickler of semantics you ought to have stated that one season partly coincides with the other. The reduced fishing season extends for 6 weeks; the other for 6 months! A[3] Yes = Q [4] Do let us know if you believe that the presence of foreign tourists plays a significant part in the price of fish. A [4] Depends = Q [5] Also, if the price of fish is high, where is the money going to? Do you favour exploiting the fisher folk? A [5] H good wishes and good night from here jc
[Goanet] Daily Grook #452
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Re: [Goanet] Are the Gram Sabhas really democratic?? Are they empowered??
Dr. U.G. Barad wrote: A friend of mine attended a Gram Sabha in his area. He found out that the voters in the area are allowed to attend. There were about 8000 voters in the area! He was told that the quoram is 10% of the members!!. If at the start of the meeting, there is not sufficient quoram then the meeting is adjourned for 30 minutes, and restarted with whatever number were present after 30 minutes. In this case, the number present were NOT EVEN 150 or even less. It seemed to him that there was really no method to check if those present were ELIGIBLE to VOTE on the issues at the meeting. In fact, he said that some of the speakers were not known to him, nor to those whom he asked around. So, if this is true, I am wondering if the Gram Sabhas are democratic? I appreciate the fact that Dr. Barad has given scope for generating some debate on this very important issue of local governance and democracy. In my opinion the eligibility criteria for membership of Gram Sabha, besises the name being on the voter's list of the village, must also be amended to provide for a requirement that the voter must has at least one year of permanent residence in the village. Because that would be the minimum time required for one to assimilate into the politics and culture of that locality. Regarding the quorum, it has been repeatedly stated by the elistist urban mindset that the presence of a few people who decide on an issue does not reflect a democratic decision. In the first place, if the notice of the Gram Sabha meeting is sent out within the prescribed time limit and the public is informed about the agenda, I do not see how the quorum matters. If people are interested they should attend the meeting otherwise decisions have to be taken as the village government cannot cease to function because some of its constituents behaving irresponsibly. What happens when the entire opposition walks out in parliament, does it stall parliament decisions? When it comes to Gram Sabhas the numbers get questioned while in other cases it is accepted as democratic? The election results are also a case in point. Can we say that the results of the elections are democratic when candidates win with just a 30 or 40% of the vote share? It is important that we be practical when we make criticisms. When there is pandemonium at the Gram Sabha meeting it quickly gets dubbed as 'anarchy' by urban elitist leaders of Goa Bachao Abhiyan fame. But when the State Assembly and Parliament is adjourned or disrupted for days on end, and all sorts of demands are made by the members, do they also call this anarchy? When decisions of the people do not conform with the ambitions and greed of the rich and famous or the real estate lobby, the Gram Sabha numbers make it undemocratic and the debates makes it anarchist? The problem is that some hi-thinking and hi-fi socialites feel out of place at a Gram Sabha as they would want everything to conform to their way of thinking. We do have some specimens in Alto Pilerne, Alto-Porvorim and Alto-Salvod do mundo who literally remark about other members of the Gram Sabha as 'villagers'. These villagers and those villagers.. This is nothing but 'Bhatkar shahi' in its new avatar. Traditional wisdom and academic knowledge are often poles apart and it is important that we keep our village meeetings simple, leaving scope for a blend of both types of knowledge. This does not mean that Gram Sabha meetings do not need structuring, if not it leads to confusion of the present type. I do not say that everything is well at the Gram Sabha meetings, but it is we who need to make it work. Who will empower the Gram sabhas if some of us who are empowered, are ourselves negligent and behave naive? I have been struggling for the last 20 years in my village and there have been ups and downs. But I am not discouraged and keep exercising my right and fundmanetal duty. The people are far more safer to voice their opinions and demands than in 1998 and before. The thought of my presence itself puts a lot of mental strain on the panchayat members who have to plan at least 4 days in advance of how they will tackle me by trying to pre-empt my actions. Goons have failed to silence me and so also other devious tactics. Most often they get beaten at their own game. So that is the joy of the Gram Sabha meeting and merely attending one meeting and jumping to conclusions is not fair. Democracy is not about offering us everything on a platter, which we expect to be guaranteed merely by a Constitution and law courts in place. We will have to endlessly struggle to protect our democracy which will always be under stress and strain due to the presence of certain opportunistic forces trying to exploit situations and undo democratic systems. -soter d'souza socorro
[Goanet] Goan to Las Vegas
Goan to Las Vegas The quick road to perdition By Cecil Pinto In the last week four interesting reports appeared in the local newspapers. By themselves, individually, they are not cause for alarm but taken collectively they reveal a disturbing trend that needs to be examined more carefully. Report #1. Goa mulls changes in marriage laws. Chairman of the Committee MLA Francis D'Souza said that the 30 day domicile clause was hampering Goa’s prospects of becoming a sought after wedding destination. “It is creating trouble for those foreigners and people of Goan-origin settled abroad who want to get married in the state.” Report #2 Woman cancels wedding after finding fiance was porn star. Haylie Hocking, 27, only found out that strapping 30-year-old fitness fanatic Jason Brake made adult films just weeks before the big day. A friend organising her hen night searched online for a male stripper and spotted Jason with a woman in a porn movie. Report #3 India woos gay tourists. The already throbbing closet may just break open with this piece of news. Enthused by the success of gay nights at pubs, the Queer Pride Parade last year and thematic art festivals across the country, tour agencies are offering custom-made tours for the ultimate gay travel experience. Indjapink, a travel agency, puts together packages for gay men only. Report #4 British topless tourists face prosecution. Around 50% of women who sunbathe topless do so without first checking if it is legal to do so in their holiday destination, according to a survey by the Foreign Office. And one in seven men admitted having sex in a public place on holiday - an extremely serious offence in some countries. The Foreign Office (FO) research also found that 5% of men admit to streaking and mooning - an offence for which Britons have been charged in Corfu. The FO also warned that homosexuality is illegal in many popular holiday destinations, including Morocco and Goa. Now let us examine the connection between these reports, and the consequences for Goa. Take the wedding thing first. A local Goan Catholic wanting to get married has to go through a civil registration process that is totally lacking in grace. A filthy disorganised Sub-Registrar’s office is where you will be signing your death warrant in the presence of about three dozen strangers - clerks, peons, other applicants, their friends, witnesses and purchasable witnesses. After the ignominy of this horrible experience there’s a waiting period of a few weeks after which you may get married in church and be doomed forever. For Goan Hindus I assume the procedure is similar but at least Catholics have things like preparing Mass Booklets and Table Takeaways to keep busy in the interim period. For foreigners and non-residents there is a compulsory domicile period of 30 days. Now the Government wishes to do away with this, and other formalities, so Goa can become the wedding destination of the world. Why? So that they can then find out that their spouse was a porn star later? Let them wait, like us locals. As it is we do enough, bending over backwards to facilitate the tourist so we can get their Pounds and Euros. Why should we let their currency also eat at our social mores? Another argument put forward is that young Goans working abroad find it difficult to get leave for more than a month and hence have trouble getting married. I find this argument ridiculous. You are about to make what will probably be the most important mistake of your life and you don’t want to spend a few weeks mulling it over? Jobs abroad will come and go but do you know how difficult it is to get a divorce here, leave alone an annulment. If anything I feel there should a 3 month waiting period between the official application for marriage and the final certificate. In most civilized nations if you seek to buy a gun, or if you apply for a crucial job, there is a waiting period during which some agency or the other does a background check. Of course marriage is not exactly like a loaded gun nor does it involve National Security, unless you’re Bill Clinton, but it is a societal construct that has caused more devastation than all the guns and armies in the world. Ok a background check may not be possible but surely a cooling off period gives the couple enough time to ponder on the long road ahead and say, “What the hell were we thinking?” Not that it always works. In France the compulsory waiting period is 40 days. Despite this they have a President who is into his third marriage. His current wife also models nude and famously said, “I'm monogamous from time to time, but I prefer polygamy and polyandry.” Las Vegas is currently the quick-wedding capital of the USA. One can get married in minutes with the absolute minimum of documentation and procedure. The average Las Vegas wedding doesn’t last long either, but Las Vegas is also the divorce capital of the world with easy divorces available in just two weeks. Funny isn’t it. They
[Goanet] Goa Konknni Akademi
Ixttamno, Hanvem Goa Konknni Akademichea Upodheokx podacho tabo ghetla ani kamui suru zalam. Tumchea sohokarachi opekxa dhorun mukhar vetam. Tumcheo suchovnneo aslear jerul patthouncheo chodd korun sahitya ani Konknni bandnne vixim. Mog asum. Vincy GOA KONKNNI AKADEMI-CHO VINCY QUADROS UP-ODHEOKX Goa Konknni Akademiche halinch zal'le Sabar Monddollache boskent Akademicho novo Up-odheokx mhonn Vincy Quadros hachi nivodd kelea. Tacho karyakall tin vorsancho astolo. Tachem nanv namnnecho sahityik Damodar Mauzo hannem suchoilem zalear DKA Odheokx Premanand Lotliker and KBM Odheokx Prashant Naik hannim onumodan dilem. Op-Odheokxache nivoddi uprant Akademiche karyakarinnicher Damodar Mauzo, Premanand Lotliker, S. M. Borges, Rajany Bhembre, Mahabaleshwar Sail ani Satish Dalvi oxa sov vangddeanchi ekmotan nivodd zali. N. Shivdas, Odheokx, Vincy Quadros, Up-Odheokx, voile sov vangddi ani Gõy Sorkarche Rajbhas Sochiv he Vavurpi Monddollache vangddi asat. Vincy Quadrosachea Up-Odheokx podachea nivoddicher Sorvsadarann Monddollachea zaitea vangddeamni khos porgottaili. Viucy Devnagri ani Romi lipi Konknni borovpeam modlo ek pul. Tannim donui lipimni khub borovop kelam ani aizmeren tachim chear pustokam prokaxit zaleat. Tache Kristanv ani Hindu oxa donui somazam kodden natem asa. Koslem-i kam zobabdaren korop ho tacho sobhav. Vincy tornnatte pillgecho protinidhi zaun aplea aplea karyakallant vavurtolo oxi ast vangddeamni hea vellar zal'lea aplea ulovpantlean uktaili. Quadrosan jyest vangddeamni apleacher dakhoil'lea visvasa khatir upkar manle ani aplea karyakallant apunn Konknni Akademiche ani Konknniche seve khatir bandil astolo mhonnpachem utor dilem. Konknni mogeamni taka boro yevkar dilo ani tachea hatantlean Konknnichi bori seva zaunk subhetsa dileo.
Re: [Goanet] Are the Gram Sabhas really democratic?? Are they empowered??
When there is pandemonium at the Gram Sabha meeting it quickly gets dubbed as 'anarchy' by urban elitist leaders of Goa Bachao Abhiyan fame. But when the State Assembly and Parliament is adjourned or disrupted for days on end, and all sorts of demands are made by the members, do they also call this anarchy? When decisions of the people do not conform with the ambitions and greed of the rich and famous or the real estate lobby, the Gram Sabha numbers make it undemocratic and the debates makes it anarchist? --- Soter D'Souza is fooling himself if he thinks that gram sabha disarray is an urban elitist problem created by the ambitions and greed of the rich and famous. When I have a little time I will write a long post on exactly how much a perversion of democracy these institutions are and to think that they could be empowered to take decisions binding on the State is a frightening thought, not to the urban, rich and famous but to the poor, disempowered, disenfranchised and voiceless people of Goa. best, selma
Re: [Goanet] Australia and Canada - Two Immigrant Worlds Apart
I'm not quite sure what racist impressions these Goans got, and where. There are more Sri Lankans here in Melbourne than Indians, so much so Indians are mistaken for Sri Lankans (rather like Indians are taken for Pakistanis in UK). Also, a number of Indians are of Fijiian origin. And there are more Greeks (the greatest concentration of Greeks outside of Athens, as someone put it), Italians, Chinese and Vietnamese than anglos in Melbourne. And today its been reported that there's some 10,000 (yes that many) Afghan/Sri Lankan and other refugees waiting in Malaysia to be boated illegally to Australia, in addition to hundreds others already that have arrived here illegally this year alone. So you decide on all the racism you want. In my suburb, you will find shop-names written in Greek/English, Italian/English, Vietnamese/English and Chinese/English, where the former script is more prominent than the latter. Of late, a number of Bangladeshi and Indian shops have sprung up to add to the Sri Lankan shops. Preston market and Queen Vic market (the latter has the reputation of being the biggest market South of the Equator) have such a selection of condiments and foods you'll wonder in which country you are. Almost all the fish-mongers and butchers in the Preston market are Chinese/Vietnamese, and a sizeable number of the same sort of shops in Vic market are Greek/Italian. Of all people, a Goan, who has been here for a lot longer than I have, was the other day complaining of racism some 25 years ago to a friend of mine, who is a Mauritian. Yet another Goan bloke, who came here some 10 years ago, said he would never had been in the position he was (chief accountant) if there was racism in this country. Different states of Australia have different behaviours, and you can see that at supermarkets. In Sydney, the check-oiut people hardly talk to you (rather like London). In Rockhampton (mid-Queensland), they tend to have long conversations with you. I haven't had much experience of shopping in Adeliade and Perth, though I've been there on short visits. In Melbourne, you are greeted with And how are you today with a big smile. I don't know if the same sort of differences exhibit themselves in various parts of Canada. I don't say there are no issues. As ar as I'm concerned, I would have faced the same sort of envy/petty jealousies that one faces at work, even in India. I cannot call that racism in any sense of the word. I have been attacked and robbed in London, but that was purely for my money, as they thought I was well-paid after an evening concert (I had my violin in my hand and wore an evening jacket with a bowtie). Ever since that episode in 1980, I have dressed in casual clothes taking my good stuff in a holdall, as other members of the orchestra did, before and after a concert. I don't have a first-hand experience of Canada, so I won't try to comment. Gabriel. - Original Message From: Roland Francis roland.fran...@gmail.com To: Goanet goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Tuesday, 30 June, 2009 2:40:37 PM Subject: [Goanet] Australia and Canada - Two Immigrant Worlds Apart Even before the recent attacks on Indian students erupted, Goans in Canada who visit Australia return with indelible impressions of racism in Australia. Access Yahoo!7 Mail on your mobile. Anytime. Anywhere. Show me how: http://au.mobile.yahoo.com/mail
[Goanet] Michael Jackson's Nonsense Chant
Michael Jackson's Nonsense Chant at: http://www.visualthesaurus.com/cm/blogexcerpts/1902/ Yesterday, Ben Zimmer traced http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=1542the nonsense-syllable chant at the end of Michael Jackson's *Wanna Be Startin Somethin* back to its roots in Manu Dibango's *Soul Makossa*, a 1973 Cameroonian hit that played a role in the origins of disco in New York City. The chants in these songs are nice examples of a phenomenon that I discussed a couple of years ago (Rock syncopation: stress shifts or polyrhythms?http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/%7Emyl/languagelog/archives/005154.html, 11/26/2007), where linguistic accents and musical beats start off aligned at the beginning of a phrase, and then go out of sync, typically with one or more of the later textual accents shifted to the left, i.e. ahead in time, relative to the apparent musical beat. Madhav, please take a look at it. venantius
[Goanet] Fwd: Bookworm Update
-- Forwarded message -- From: sujata noronha bookworm_...@yahoo.com Date: 2009/6/30 Subject: Bookworm Update Dear Bookworms, Greetings in the new school year! We have been silent for a while now, because we have been busy - which is always a good thing for reading initiatives. We had a good summer at the Bookworm Library, with both our morning and evening sessions filled to capacity. While we did recognise that most parents find Bookworm a safe, creative space to spend summer time we continue to believe that being surrounded by books will make readers of some children. We welcome a lot of our regular members back. The thanks goes to parents who support reading and make the time and effort as well as spend money on books. You know that this is one of the best ways to grow. We support you! July will see the 3rd year of THE BOOKWORM MAGAZINE out in circulation. We are amazed at how quickly we have grown to enjoy putting the Magazine together. We hope to reach out to more schools and urge all of you to get a subscription today. The Magazine is underwritten by Bookworm to keep the price low and continues to be available at Rs.75 for an annual subscription. Our Book Treasury Program has taken root in a number of schools that we support and we are most proud of this initiative that happens because of your support towards our Annual Jumble Sale. We hope to post quarterly reports on this program to keep you in the loop. Wednesday Art Classes have a steady group of budding expressionists and the class always produces art work that astounds while children learn about Indian art forms and some of the Great European Masters. We have the addition of some wonderful books of Art. Please ask if interested. New books for all ages are in the Library now. If you are looking for something in particular please ask because a lot of the books are now shelved separately for lack of space - that is how much we have grown! Events during this year will include a Creative Writing Workshop with Sandhya Rao (scheduled tentatively for October), an exciting Book Quiz, Teachers Workshop, All Things Christmas, Jumble Sale and some more.. watch for details. Until next time, happy reading ! Elaine Sujata ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^* Visit our blog: http://goabookworm.wordpress.com 9823222665 or -832-2420146. Bluebelle 2nd Fl, Tamba Colony, St. Inez. ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*
[Goanet] British citizens buying property in Goa
Hi Goankars,anamari...@dataone.in My reply to e-mail below:-(1)When buying in the Company name, should company be of foreign origin or have an Indian partner or wholly owned by Indians? (2)The female friend, may have been of Indian origin, but now is a British citizen, so under what laws of the state of Goa, prevalent at the time of purchase, was this British woman allowed to buy property in Goa? (3)The period of lease prevalent at the time of purchase by British nationals, was for how many years? (4)What is meant by the wordsThose Goans/Indians having foreign passports. I presumed, that once you become a citizen of a foreign country, you can no more be called Indian or Goan, you are henceforth known as Britisher or American, not Goan or Indian. (5)The words unscruplous lawyers/builders who are taking people for a ride. Really? Britishers are now DONKEYS (6)The words titles are not clearbuyers also are gulliable and are not verifying the papers. Really British Buyers are not verifying papers and are gullible??? Could someone on Goanet please explain, how the British ruled the world? From: Ana Maria de souza-Goswami Subject: British families buying property in Goa I have been following the above postings on the Goanet. Let me elaborate what I know in point form. 1. Any foreigner who wants to buy property in Goa, cannot do so, u nless he buys in the company name. 2. A couple friends of mine, both with British passports. She of Indian origin with an OCI card, he a white British with a PIO card have bought a place in Goa in her name. All very legal. 3. A lot of foreigners have bought places but not signed a 'sale deed' , but a 'lease' which means they are not the owners of the property, mainly flats. These flats were sold by Catholic builders. 4. Those Goans/Indians having foreign passports have now to produce an OCI card if they want to sell their ancestral property in Goa. This has come into effect sometime last year. 5. There are a lot of unscruplous lawyers/builders who are taking people for a ride. 6. Sometimes the titles are not clear especially in Form 1 to IV, and yet sellers are selling properties to people. The buyers also are gulliable and are not verifying the papers. Most of my foreign friends have bought houses/flats legitimally. Ana Maria de Souza-Goswami
Re: [Goanet] Australia and Canada - Two Immigrant Worlds Apart
Thanks Gabriel for your post. Goanet benefits from from various points of view. Roland. On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 4:20 AM, Gabriel de Figueiredogdefigueir...@yahoo.com.au wrote: I'm not quite sure what racist impressions these Goans got, and where. There are more Sri Lankans here in Melbourne than Indians, so much so Indians are mistaken for Sri Lankans (rather like Indians are taken for Pakistanis in UK). Also, a number of Indians are of Fijiian origin. And there are more Greeks (the greatest concentration of Greeks outside of Athens, as someone put it), Italians, Chinese and Vietnamese than anglos in Melbourne. And today its been reported that there's some 10,000 (yes that many) Afghan/Sri Lankan and other refugees waiting in Malaysia to be boated illegally to Australia, in addition to hundreds others already that have arrived here illegally this year alone. So you decide on all the racism you want.
[Goanet] Traditional Sangodd at Candolim - Kids special
Traditional Sangodd at Candolim - Kids special http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sH_X2JtC3zI joego...@yahoo.co.uk for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
[Goanet] How Alcohol Changes the Brain ... Quickly | LiveScience
How alcohol changes one's brain. Frightening scenario. Con http://www.livescience.com/health/090615-alcohol-brain.html
Re: [Goanet] Goa's Freedom Fighters
Mario Goveia wrote: [1] I could have sworn that all those people lining up across Goa to vote in local, state and federal elections since 1961 were all Goans:-)) Mario Goveia wrote: [1] What about since 1961 did you fail to understand, or did you miss the fact that December 1961 is when Goa went from a colonial dictatorship to becoming part of the Indian democracy? Dear Mario, The above quoted speak for themselves. What I really fail to understand is your 'faulty intelligence'. BTW: did ya find them yet? Unless you 'fail to understand' the meaning of 'them' (;-) OK now Mario please give me your well rehearsed spiel. jc
[Goanet] Puppies on a beach
A puppy on a beach http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk19/3669502129/sizes/l/ Plenty more puppies hiding here (at least 15) http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk19/3670309532/sizes/l/ joego...@yahoo.co.uk for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
Re: [Goanet] Goan to Las Vegas
Cecil Pinto wrote: For foreigners and non-residents there is a compulsory domicile period of 30 days. Now the Government wishes to do away with this, and other formalities, so Goa can become the wedding destination of the world. Why? So that they can then find out that their spouse was a porn star later? Let them wait, like us locals. As it is we do enough, bending over backwards to facilitate the tourist so we can get their Pounds and Euros. Why should we let their currency also eat at our social mores? Cecil, The Govt of Goa is not the moral authority of Goa. When the tax contributors demand faster service, the function of any Govt is to deliver that service. On the other hand, the Catholic Church does consider itself as the moral authority of anyone calling him/herself Catholic. It sets rules that its members cannot challenge. For example, the Catholic Church here in Toronto will only marry a couple after they have taken a one year course on the nature and meaning of marriage. This authority brings forth the situation where God can give you instructions to marry someone and the Church responds with, not until a year has passed. Now let us examine the connection between these reports, and the consequences for Goa. Take the wedding thing first. A local Goan Catholic wanting to get married has to go through a civil registration process that is totally lacking in grace. A filthy disorganised Sub-Registrar’s office is where you will be signing your death warrant in the presence of about three dozen strangers - clerks, peons, other applicants, their friends, witnesses and purchasable witnesses. After the ignominy of this horrible experience there’s a waiting period of a few weeks after which you may get married in church and be doomed forever. Keep in mind that no longer do Catholics only marry Catholics or Hindu's only marry Hindu's. I feel organized religion has every right to discriminate against its members who want to marry a spouse of different or no faith. Conversely, your Govt should have no objections to any couple who have decided to get married. The duty of the Govt is to facilitate and register a marriage, just like it does with births and deaths. If you think that the Goa Govt civil registration process is bad, I can assure all here that nothing compares to the farce in Las Vegas. As you know, I had an arranged marriage. All I had to do was show up. I arrived in Vegas at 11.00 pm on a Friday night, met my in-laws for the first time and then marched to City Hall to get the marriage licence. Picture this, it is 1.00 am. There are twenty couples in line in front of me and twenty couples behind me and I am the only sober person in line! My (current) wife keeps insisting that I have to be present to obtain the marriage licence while all I can hear are the slot machines at the nearby casino's calling me by name. When we walk out of City Hall, twenty minutes later, with the marriage licence in hand, there are a dozen people trying to persuade us to jump into a limousine and get married, for another small fee, right away at their 24 hour chapel. Now to the point. This entire reply was only a build up to lead up to what every person here who has got married knows i.e. the wedding day is only a ceremonial process. The decision to get married is the real marriage commitment. Whether you get married in the same church that your forefathers did or whether you get married on a tropical beach is of no value to a marriage. What is if value, is how you treat your spouse during a marriage. That, my friend, is the difference between 'heaven,' and not so heaven. Mervyn1650Lobo BTW, a picture of a little Goan marriage in Las Vegas. http://www.flickr.com/photos/45002...@n00/1565585904/sizes/l/ __ Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail. Click on Options in Mail and switch to New Mail today or register for free at http://mail.yahoo.ca
Re: [Goanet] All system of medicine should work together Dr. Jindal Dean GMC, Bambolim
The problem I have with this speech is that it reinforces (I think for diplomatic reasons) popular myths about the drawbacks of conventional medicine vis-a-vis so-called alternative medicine. I believe forthrightness should trump diplomacy in informing the public about how best to take care of their health concerns. Here are my points of disagreement: 1. The implication that ayurveda and homeopathy have evolved to any extent comparable to conventional scientific medicine is not true at all. Ayurveda is essentially unchanged since at least a thousand years ago. Homeopathy as practiced today is virtually the same as it was when Hahnemann, its founder concocted it. None of their practitioners have made any significant efforts using objective and reproducible methods to find out if their remedies work against their intended targets, let alone to actually discover how they work if they do. Mere assertions, appeal to authority, personal experience and testimonials, and special pleading cannot distinguish them from the rituals of witchcraft and astrology. 2. It is important for people to know the science behind side effects. Side effects have nothing to do with whether a medication is natural or synthetic. They are essentially a consequence of two well-established biological facts regarding the human body (true of other animals as well because of common evolutionary descent): a) The molecules of a drug compound (irrespective of whether it is derived from a natural source such as an herb or is synthesized) can interact with more than one type of molecule inside the body, each interacting molecule mediating a different bodily function; b) Alternatively, they might interact with only one type of molecule, which in turn plays multiple and diverse functional roles in the body. The claim that ayurvedic remedies have no side effects is borne out of ignorance about their pharmacology i.e. ignorance about what kinds of molecules the active chemicals in them interact with inside the body. No ayurvedic practitioner has bothered to even find out if any of their remedies are absorbed into the body when taken orally, in the first place. In the case of homeopathy, it is a safe bet that its nostrums do not have any side effects because they do not contain active chemicals that would have an effect on the body, at all. They are entirely made up of small amounts of inert sugar, alcohol or water. 3. The talk about holism and holistic approach is sappy New Age nonsense. These words have no meaning in science. Mere words and metaphorical language might have literary appeal, but they have no therapeutic value for any serious physical illness beyond the feel-good sensation that they might produce for some people, especially when a problem is of a psychological nature. The only legitimate problem with how conventional medicine is practiced today is its depersonalized and commercialized nature. The doctor-patient relationships have become substantially business and legal transactions. Cheers, Santosh --- On Mon, 6/29/09, SHRIKANT BARVE shri8...@yahoo.com wrote: Full speech of Dr. V. N. Jindal. Good morning friends, first of all I will like to compliment International Centre Goa, and Taleigao Chess Academy for organizing this meet. The topic is very relevant and interesting ‘Different Systems of Medicines our Health’. In fact, I must say, we are very fortunate that in our country so many different systems of medicines.
[Goanet] What is Sangodd?
This is in reply to a query.. What is Sangodd? Two or more fishing boats/canoes joined together to form a SANGODD As in this case there are 4 boats http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk19/3671933000/sizes/l/ These are the fishing boats. No fishing on this day i.e. the feast of their Patron St. Peter (Also St. Paul). Instead, they would use their boats to make a sangodd which is a sort of floating stage which travels from one place/ward to another making a brief stop at their traditional fixed stations – they would chant loudly and repeatedly ‘Viva Sam Pedr’ Viva Sam Pedr(u) I think, traditionally, they used to perform on the floating stage by using exclusively local talents or from the fisher folk community. But now, I guess, to keep up with the time, they hire professional artists from outside their village. However, they always include a few of local talents as can be seen this video (srs.) Such as Rosario, Caitan, Anthony etc Check this out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENFyFoiBLyo i am not an expert but remember reading something like this over the years joego...@yahoo.co.uk for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
[Goanet] ALEXYZ Daily Cartoon (1Jul09)
*** R.I.P. Alban Couto *** - Goa's First Development Commissioner - Advisor to Gov Jacob - To Goa Govt 2003-2008 To enjoy the visual cartoon please visit: www.alexyztoons.com Site sponsored by www.goasudharop.org
[Goanet] India: Jain Irrigation to supply mango pulp to Coca-Cola
Goanetters, Which variety/varieties of mango would they use? Golden Circle do a mean version of Aam Ras. http://www.freshplaza.com/news_detail.asp?id=46546 Here, I'm delighted with a quantity of Californian cherries. Firm, tart, sweet, plump. Delish. Antioxidants United! Stay healthy and wise! rubygoes
[Goanet] DD to air debate on NRI Goans
DD to air debate on NRI Goans Doordarshan Kendra, Panaji, will telecast a debate on Welfare of NRI Goans' on Friday at 6pm. Commissioner for NRI affairs Eduardo Faleiro, along with prominent NRIs and resident Goans, will feature on the programme. Handicraft competition In a bid to promote innovation and new trends in Goa's handicraft sector, Goa Handicraft Rural and Small Scale Industries Development Corporation will organize a sculpture and handicraft competition. The competition is open to individuals, amateurs, artisans, etc, who are permanent residents of the state and are above 18 years of age. The last date for receipt of entries is September 10. Applicants should send their original creations (real lifesize 3-dimensional works) by using indigenous natural material like sea shells, bamboos, tile paintings, terra-cotta, etc. There is no restriction on the size of the sculpture/handicraft, but very large and unwieldy entries will not be accepted. The participants are free to send up to five entries based on any meaningful concept/design. The top three will receive Rs 50,000, Rs 35,000 and Rs 25,000 respectively. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Cities/Goa/DD-to-air-debate-on-NRI-Goans/articleshow/4722054.cms
[Goanet] Sherlock Holmes in Goa
The outbreak of quizzing in Goa has given rise to grave concern in the highest circles. Sherlock Holmes (assisted, as usual, by the redoubtable Dr Watson) was called in to tackle the problem. For more details, check out http://fakeer.wordpress.com/2009/06/22/the-case-of-the-crazy-quizzer/ For a more serious take on quizzing activities in Goa, check out the blog of the Sunday Evening Quiz Club at http://seqc.blogspot.com/ -- Whatever it is, I'm against it -- Groucho Marx
[Goanet] Rs. 1000 Fake Notes Alert
Fake rupee 1000 notes are in circulation. This alert is coming from the Reserve Bank of India. The fake notes are under 2AQ and 8AC (2005-2006) series and are signed by Dr. Y V Reddy These fake notes sport the silver strip and for all purposes appear to be perfect. Please exercise caution even when accepting Rs. 1000 notes from financial institutions. This is an authentic alert. floriano goasuraj 9890470896
[Goanet] Socorro Civic Consumer Forum meet at Porvorim, Zodiac Park
Dear Friends, The Socorro Civic and Consumer Forum is holding its monthly general meeting at the house of Peter D'silva, Zodiac Park, Porvorim on Thursday 2 July 2009 at 6pm. Issues to be discussed: Save the Frog Campaign, People's Plan to Combat Malarias, Japanese Encephalitis Vaccination, LPG Safety Camp, Road Safety and Traffic Management, Consumer Awareness Fortnight, Proposals for July Gram Sabha. Complaints from consumers on telephones, electricity, banks, LPG, water supply will be taken up. Please come armed with a notebook and pen and bring another person with you. See you there. -- Valentine (Vally) Coelho Convenor - Socorro Civic and Consumer Forum Ph: 9326128259
[Goanet] All system of medicine should work together Dr. Jindal Dean GMC, Bambolim
Santosh writes: The talk about holism and holistic approach is sappy New Age nonsense. Let me clarify couple of things before I start. I am not a proponent of Ayurveda or Homeopathy. I am 100% in tune with the diagnostic approaches of allopathy. However, I have problems with the approach of treatment-- 1) it appears that the basis of many of the treatments of allopathy is empirical --- that is, it works in most cases. Perhaps, only in few cases, an analytical reason is found as to what exactly happens. For instance, a recent study says that a certain drug given for diabetes is responsible for cancer in patients. Now, no reason is given as to why it could cause cancer. If all the effects of the drug were understood before introducing it, there would be no need for such a study later resulting in such findings. 2) Secondly, modern medicine works on individual parts of the body. For instance, a heart disease will be treated by doing something to the heart only. What effect it could have on the body as a whole (which is meant by holistic approach) is not looked at. 3) It has been found that things such as yoga, pranayama improve the health of people in general and could be in fact a cure for many diseases for which drugs are given in modern medicine. Why doesnt modern medicine document the effects of yoga and pranayama systematically and incorporate them in its approach ? Why arent doctors taught to tell patient do yoga, but instead taught to give pills and more pills ? I have a dislike for the fundamental concept that an external item has to be given to the body to heal, when the body can perhaps be healed internally by following regimes such as yoga, pranayama, dieting and exercising. Of course, I am fine with modern medicine when it comes to treating physical injuries etc. regards, Samir
Re: [Goanet] Are the Gram Sabhas really democratic?? Are theyempowered??
Selma, You couldn't be more right. Allowing gram sabhas to decide what is needed and what is not, what is right and what is wrong, democracy will be in the coffin ready to be buried, because gram sabhas cannot decide anything. The course for the democracy to follow must be laid by experts who have the gumption to call a spade a spade and not be influenced with lollipops or with selfish interests. Note must be taken of the recent utterings by Pai Panandikar on Goa's Development Commission and his refusal to take the post. I have been telling Soter that his playing with the Panchayati Raj is fine, but he will never get an opportunity to shoot a goal unless and until his Peaceful Society does not remain peaceful w.r.t. the drastic amendment to the Panhayati Raj Act are effected and pronto where the Sarpanches are made totally accountable and are even sent to jail for serious lapses. (Case in point is truckloads of red earth is being dumped over the sand within 200 meters of the HTL at Calangute by one of the hotels which took the brunt of the HC in my writ petition if the Sarpanch is not responsible, who is?) Goasuraj will amend both the panchayat raj act as well as the Municipalities Act before it moves to devolve powers to the local bodies under 73rd and 74th amendments. If it does not succeed in doing this, then it will move to throw the Panchayati Raj Act lock stock and barrel out of Goa and go back to the (modified) Comunidade system of governance which has served Goa well for as long as Goa existed. We don't want jokers sitting under banyan trees deciding the fate of villages and their developmental potentials.(Comunidades used to clear the gutters before the onset of monsoons and again during mid monsoons. Panchayat members, in spite of getting their monthly stipends, do not look at these for years together) . I shall be eagerly awaiting your rebuttal to Soter's write-up. rgds floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: Carvalho elisabeth_...@yahoo.com To: estb. 1994!Goa's premiere mailing list goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 4:31 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Are the Gram Sabhas really democratic?? Are theyempowered?? When there is pandemonium at the Gram Sabha meeting it quickly gets dubbed as 'anarchy' by urban elitist leaders of Goa Bachao Abhiyan fame. But when the State Assembly and Parliament is adjourned or disrupted for days on end, and all sorts of demands are made by the members, do they also call this anarchy? When decisions of the people do not conform with the ambitions and greed of the rich and famous or the real estate lobby, the Gram Sabha numbers make it undemocratic and the debates makes it anarchist? --- Soter D'Souza is fooling himself if he thinks that gram sabha disarray is an urban elitist problem created by the ambitions and greed of the rich and famous. When I have a little time I will write a long post on exactly how much a perversion of democracy these institutions are and to think that they could be empowered to take decisions binding on the State is a frightening thought, not to the urban, rich and famous but to the poor, disempowered, disenfranchised and voiceless people of Goa. best, selma
[Goanet] Some more 'Fulam' such as PERPETIN, ABOLIM, Butanv, DOXINN, ALFINET etc
Some more 'Fulam' such as PERPETIN, ABOLIM, Butanv, DOXINN, ALFINET etc We call this ‘perpetin’ or Perpetina http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk3/84973309/sizes/l/ Copa fulam http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk3/84973311/sizes/l/ Alfinet http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk3/84978661/sizes/l/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk3/84976403/sizes/l/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk3/84981508/ doxinn http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk3/84978662/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk3/84982615/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk3/99662722/ chamfo http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk3/99662461/ Another type ‘Sant Anton’ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk3/84978663/ Abolim http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk3/99662910/ Butanv http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk3/99662813/ all these from my 2005 collection joego...@yahoo.co.uk for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
