[Goanet] Aitaracheo Katkutleo: Tiatrachi Tiketti Vaddleat, Tiatracheo Dorzo Vhaddoiat

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   Tiatrachi Tikett Vaddlea. Tiatracheo Dorzo Vhaddoiat!  
  
“Aicho Sunaprant vachla tumi?”
“Kedov ail’lem potr. Ten’nachean tujea hatant goltta. Vachtolom koso?”
“Dor vaddoili zalear kitli? Eksarkele somptech 10 rupia?”
“Petrolachi vhadd 4 rupianim zalea nhi? Tea hixeobar her vostunchi dor apxinch 
choddot ravtta. Khoinche vostucher 10 rupia vaddoileat?”
“Tiatrache tikettir”
“Kitem? 60 rupianim axill’li tikett 70 rupiancher pavli? Dakhoi, dakhoi. Kitem 
vachlam Isvorak kollchem. (Sunaprant disalear chappun ailoli bhatmi vachlea 
uprant) Sarkem tugelem. Hea fuddem tiatrak votli?”
Kitem mhonllem tumi? Dusreangele bailam bhoxen TV-cher yetle serial 
voranchi-voram ibaddun polletam hanv? INOX-ant, novim-novim sinema choltat 
thoinsor ken’na tori tumi vorchem mhunn agro kela tumkam? Na nhi?”
“Tiatrak vochum naka, oxem mhonnlolem na hanvem”
“Mhageli ekuch avodd Konknni tiatranchi”
“Khobor asa ti mhaka.”
“Tor? Tumgelem kiteak zhodd zalem?”
“Toxem nhi ghe tem. Non-Stop Khell Tiatristanchi Sonstha hichem nanv aikil’lem 
hanvem. Ochkit Konkani Tiatr Writers and Directors Forum-an ken’na sanv zolm 
ghetlo? Hea vicharant poddlam hanv. Fokott tikettichi dor vaddovpak forum 
ghoddla kai?”
“Tem tumi sodunk vochat. Tiatrachi dor xeborancher choddum. Mhaka tiatr chukunk 
favo na”
“Itli avodd kiteak tuka?”
“Tiatracho mhull kanni polletanam sabar vixeian bhorlolim kantaram ani vinod 
aikupak melltat” 
“Sorkarachi ttika marun kantaram zalear, apnnalem banxirim mellim astonam 
dusreangele kopdde dhutat ti kaposidad aikupak ek vegllich tiatrachi dorja 
somzota tum? Gorje bhair ani favo nhoi axill’le kodden mottean bobo marlear ek 
nott vo notti apnnali bhumika voznadik korta oxo somoz?”
“Tumkam kitem kollta tiatrachem? Poilea voilea svater tumi tiatrak votat?”
“Ani hanv tuka khoinsor dhoddill’lom tor? Tiatrachea vosreant nhi? Sorgest 
Padmashree M. Boyeracho Ekuch Rosto tiatr polletanam poilech nodren tunvem 
mhoje kallzak choppko maril’lo. Dusrea disa tugeleo ghorcho rosto sodun 
kaddpak, mhagelea khas ixttacho adhar ghetil’lo to, tugeloch khaxea bhav 
Rumaldo mhunn mhaka khoim zanniv? Boyeracho Ekuch Rosto tiatran, Goychea 
Hindu-Kristi ghorabeank kitem tori dilem nam? Hea ghoxttichi yad asa nhi tuka?”
“Uprant ami chukoinastana tiatrak votalim, punn atam tumi…..?”
“Oi! Ten’nache prosidh tiatristanche dorjedar tiatr pollevpak bhouch umed 
yetali. Morallachi kantaram, duetam, trikott gavun tiatr-sanjek ek vegloch rong 
yetalo. Somajik vixeiyancher boroiloli kanni aslear mansugechea utramni 
bhorxil’le vinod melltale. Ek-ek porddea fattlean scenes ghalun sompil’le 
Mumbaiche tiatr-digdorspi J.P.Souzalinho ani Prem Kumar, tiatr rong-machi 
voilea panvddear vorun dovortale. Halinchea tiatramni Hindi cholchitranchi 
chori kel’li kanni ani pozddea sobdamni bhorxill’le vinod zalear, ghorje virett 
sorkarachi ttika marun kantaram ani her sangatti tiatristache melle kopdde 
povitr rong-machier haddun nigutt korchem. Hich ek onek torechi atanchea 
tiatranchi style zalea. Adle poromporik tiatrachi dorja aichea tiatristamni 
xennoilolean, mhojem mon tiatrak vocho sarkem uronk na.”
“Margai mhunn mollbak tenklea nhi? Bore dekhave bhorsun rong-machi nettovunk 
adlea tempar sovai bhitor zatalem. Atanchea kallar aktoranchi dor ani her 
khorch mhollear sogott tiatr digdorspeank ani odik korun kontrodorank ek tiatr 
machier haddpak marog poddta. Lok zalo zalear faido, nam tor…?”
“Dor vaddoili, hacher hanv virodh nhi. Punn tiatrachi dorzo vaddounk zai. 
Dolleank boro sarkele nazuk dekhave ani borea vincharanche sonvad ani somajak 
zagrut kortole vixei loka meren haddun kitem tori tiatr pollennarank chintpa 
sarkelem divnk zai. Kaim tiatranchi hatborop (script) pollelear tiatr 
borovpeani tanchea jivitant kitem tori Konknnilean vachlam vo vachtat vo nam ho 
dubhav lagta. Bhov thodde tiatristank soddlear urill’lea tiatristamni aplo 
partth boroch gombhirponnin xikchelo asa. Don vo tin tiatr nhessle ani kantaram 
ghoddpi tiatristamni kantaram dilolim tim machier gavun abru zoddlear tum ek 
vhodd partist vo kantorist zalo oxem somzun tuji dor vo fee vaddovnchi nhi. 
Sotha kantaram ghoddchim.”
“Mhonnchem? Machier gaitat tim kantaram khaxea gaitole ghoddi (composed) nant?”
“Tiatrache tikettcher duddu vaddoileat tea toren tuje-i vichar vaddle mughe? 
Isvoran t

[Goanet] Missing coffee at Goa's Marliz in Margao

[Clinton Vaz]

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When I was in primary school, I had a routine. Every day, after my 
school ended at 3.30pm (Manovikas), I was taken for a short walk from 
the school premises behind the Police Station to my fathers shop 
opposite Lohia Maidan. On the way I always demanded that we stop by 
Marliz to get myself a chocolate cupcake. I usually ran back to my 
fathers shop, a few shops ahead, while my mother stopped by at the shop 
to talk to friends that were also shopping for bread, or cakes. Old Mr. 
Marliz frightened my little brother with his loud voice, but always sent 
us free patties during the Grace Church Feast.


Today, Marliz is quite dilapdated. His son from Raia still owns the 
place, but i've hardly seen him around. The storekeepers deputed there 
all seem drunk, and have been very poor with service. On one occasion he 
preferred to talk to another store attendant rather than attend to me, a 
customer. He didn't mind that I walked out of the store after 5 minutes 
of being ignored despite reminders to him that I wanted some bread. 
Though their bread still tastes good, it's packed in 20micron carry 
bags... a really shabby way of packaging a product of marliz.


Sadly, I don't shop there anymore.

Clinton..

[Goanet] Church vs State (formerly Fr Cedric Prakash)

[Cajetan Alvares]

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Mario asks:If he is not running for office what is all the fuss about?If he
is not running for office he can speak out all he wants regardless of
whether anyone agrees with him or not.
-
Well that is exactly what he is doing,
As they say, dont teach grandmother how to suck eggs,
Similarly. dont get excited and tell Priests about their duties and show
them the Vatican Red Card.
Now, say sorry to Fr Cedric and Fr Ivo, for winding them up for no reason
(you started this topic - formerly, formerly).
Caj

[Goanet] Death in the family

[Venantius Pinto]

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 I have always found those terms very interesting: toh bhair podlo and toh
piddear zalo. On esggesting that he is no longer with us as in
now inhabiting another space or plane, and the other suggesting corruption
of the mortal body.
Also, those days I think are quite gone where women would lament and be in
need of aliment (beverages) to replensh themselves. Doubt whether anyone
below 55 bawl as much these days. But this too has to do with levels of
sophistication, simplicity and fears of any given family.

On another note, my Dad always took something that was the favorite (often
an addiction) of the person who has passed away and kept it a little ahead
of the path to the grave. For his sister, my aunt Cecilia it was two packets
of Charminar, since she was a two pack a day Charminar girl. Cecilia
(Cissy) was one ballsy gal who never got married, since her Dad found the
guy she fell in love with too hip or something. In fact they both did not
get married. For others it was a bottle of liquor or something else. I think
for his little niece it was biscuits or something. He did these things in
his own quite way. The  same for Hindus, and others but these woudl be given
away usually to beggars, and others.
Here is a book I did on my Dad's funeral. Its called, Ode to a Fragment of
Silence. It reads from right to left. I could not attend the funeral whcih
was ten years ago. Click on All Sizes and then Original.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/venantius/3080894258/in/set-72157607433652234/

Link to Oriiginal:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/venantius/3080894258/sizes/o/in/set-72157607433652234/

venantius j pinto


> Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 10:45:30 +0530
> From: Antonio Menezes 
> Subject: [Goanet] Death in the family
>
> When a member of a family expires (in konkani  toh bhair podlo or toh
> piddear zalo ) it
> is undoubtedly  a very sad occasion not only for the other family members
> and for the
> neighbourhood as well.
> Amid general sadness  there is a touch of humour.  I believe our tiatrists
> draw a lot of
> inspiration from it. In poor families when a husband dies. his wife takes
> to
> ''verse galta''.
> when surrounded by other women from neighbourhood. The widow simply pours
> out all
> her emotions  in a sing song  session often in rhyme.A lot of secrets come
> out much to
> the astonishment of other women present. But the best I have ever heard was
> one from a
> widow from somewhat elite background  who wailed over the dead body of her
> husband
> husband thus :  ''Now that you are gone, Tony Joe darling who will open
> whisky bottles ? ''
>
>
>

[Goanet] Fr Cedric Prakash

[Venantius Pinto]

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The follow response by Cedric Prakask SJ in an 2004 interview, may be
helpful, considering that salvation (or rather its denial) often appears
to be such a huge issue. It also shows that in many ways the church is in a
sense an adolescent, grow.ing slowly but one could also see it as some
willingness to grow. In fact a priest mentioned this to me about three
decades ago. Lets hope that process stays on track.

The link to the whole interview from the India Committee of the
Netherlands/ Landelijke
India Werkgroep  site, which I presume
has been read by many on Goanet is below. Btw, India should also consider
having XYZCountry Committee of India for various countries. Perhaps a way of
getting into the games, since I often hear it referred as such -- a game
(Baba, toh soglo khell). Everything is a game!

from: http://www.indianet.nl/iv040629.html
*Q: But what about the exclusive truth claims of different religions? Some
of them imagine salvation or heaven to be the sole preserve of their
adherents. How do you think this issue can be addressed in the course of
dialoguing between adherents of different religions?*

A: In the Catholic case, prior to the Second Vatican Council, the position
was the there is no salvation outside the boundaries of the Catholic Church.
But now our official position has undergone a major change. Salvation, we
now believe, is indeed possible outside the Church. You don’t have to be a
Christian in order to be saved. A good Muslim or a good Buddhist or a good
Hindu can also be saved. On the other hand, many right-wing evangelical and
fundamentalist Protestant churches believe that non-Christians, no matter
how pious or good, will be doomed to hell. Naturally, this constitutes a
major barrier in any inter-faith dialogue venture.
+++

venantius

[Goanet] Cabbies beat up cop at Santa Cruz airport

[Ruby Goes]

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Goanetters,
Is this the way to carry on?

http://www.dnaindia.com/mumbai/report_cabbies-beat-up-cop-at-santa-cruz-airp
ort_1277034

rubygoes

[Goanet] Another feather in the cap of the Goa Su-Raj Party

[floriano]

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Another feather in the cap of Goa Su-Raj Party.

The Party, in its 'ROAD MAP FOR GOA' which is actually the Party's raison d' 
etre with the Road Map ( released on August 20, 2005) being the Party's 
permanent MANIFESTO has mentioned [ Chapter III - General Administration at 
(6) (e) Bridges & Fly-Overs- Page 32]


Quote
Possibly a suspension bridge to connect Dona Paula Plateau to Dabolim/Vasco.
Unquote

It also mentions
Quote
A bridge to connect North Goa riverine belt to the capital city possibly 
connecting Nerul/Verem to Campal/Miramar or Dona Paula plateau in Panjim 
shall be considered.

Unquote



The front page headline caption 'Tears & Cheers In Budget' [Herald -Saturday 
July 25, 2005] has indeed brought cheers and tears of joy to our eyes to see 
'DONA PAULA - VASCO TO BE SEA-LINKED.


At Goa Su-Raj we are more than happy and satisfied to note that our Road Map 
is being leafed through for inspiration by the powers that be.


We believe that if the Party's Road Map is implemented in true spirit by who 
so ever it may be by taking all the credit whatsoever to themselves, the 
Party's wishes and endeavours will be accomplished even to the extent of the 
Goa Su-Raj Party not having to be in the rat race of the 'hypocritic' 
electoral processes. We shall happily retire.



Sd/-
floriano lobo
Gen. Sec/spokesperson
Goa Su-Raj Party
9890470896


PS:  This Party does hope that the powers that be go on leafing through our 
Road Map for Goa especially through the Chapter III (9) (f) (1) River 
Fronts - Example, and make this dream come true for Panjimites in particular 
and Goans in general. This is our Party's vision for the beautiful Ribandar 
Causeway. 

Re: [Goanet] Church vs State

[Santosh Helekar]

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One of the hallmarks of secularism and secular justice is its commitment to 
treat all religions and non-religions equal in all respects. So when someone 
claims to fight for justice and human rights of people who are victims of 
religious extremists and religious persecution, I immediately ask whether 
he/she shares this ideal of secularism, and demonstrates it through his/her 
words and/or actions. 

One simple test of this ideal is to examine whether he/she has spoken out 
against religious extremism and harmful practices of all religions and 
ideologies, including his/her own. In India, this would mean that in addition 
to speaking out against Hindu extremism, one would have to express one's 
concern about Islamist terrorism, non-Hindu terrorism in the Northeast and 
left-wing Maoist extremism in many parts of the country. Indeed, the latter two 
are responsible for most of the deaths due to political violence each year in 
India. This test is especially important when we are dealing with a priest of a 
particular religion because he has an inseparable conflict of interest.

I am sorry to say that I have found no evidence that the religious figure in 
question and the religio-political contributors to this forum have demonstrated 
an even-handed and equitable treatment of extremists of all religions and 
ideologies that affect India. There is nothing that dispels my suspicion that 
their fight is more a parochial and self-centered agenda-driven crusade on 
behalf of their coreligionists than a genuine fight for universal justice.

And when a priest who has stepped into the partisan political arena in a 
secular country advocates that secular governments should listen to the advice 
of his supreme religious leader, as he does in the following article on his 
blog, I cannot help but be doubly suspicious.

Cheers,

Santosh

--- On Sat, 7/25/09, Marshall Mendonza  wrote:
> 
>  Response: Could you kindly provide references where it is
> stated that Fr
> Cedric Prakash has become a politician or ran for political
> office?
> 
>  I see no conflict in serving God and man in a secular
> democracy where the
> areas converge.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Marshall
> 


  

[Goanet] Fr Cedric Prakash

[Cajetan Alvares]

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Ah, I've always said I have a long memory on Goanet :-)Now, let me put in as
succintly as I can:1. Men believe, making young girls dance naked, will
appease the rain-God.2. Men believe, letting young girls have convulsions,
will rid them of the devil possessing their body.Is there any tangible
difference between the two? No, both are irrational beliefs and the reason
we know they are irrational is because our body of knowledge has expanded.
It is just a matter of educating people to expand their body of knowledge.
With education comes change. Best,Selma
---
I knew you had a bone to pick with me (long time coming, I was waiting) I
too have a long memory.
Thanks for putting Pagan Rituals and Pota in the same bracket.

Belief in Paganism does not mean decent moral code of conduct has to be
ignored.
Your No 2. Yes, there is a huge difference, all girls do not want to take
their clothes off (even men for that matter).
Not all girls have convulsions (even educated people have convulsions, they
just get hypnotised).

All girls in that village were forced by the elders to strip if not they are
beaten, I have lived in Madhya Pradesh Jungle Mines for 5 years, I know the
punishment.

When I was in Pota one man started talking in tongues, no one else, his
sister said I knew he would do that (are you saying he and his sister are
not educated, he is a business man and she a teacher).
It is a choice to get psychologically traumatised, his sister chose not to
(education has nothing to do with convulsions).
Another woman started crying hysterically, she was removed, for being a
nuisance.
Another Hindu man came marching up to the alter and prostrated (attention
seeking) (that Hindu man was in the same bus with us).

Your No 3. Yes, our body willing to except knowledge should be educated. But
who will take on that task?
Certainly the Hindus have not done that as yet (2009), instead they kill the
missionaries who try to educate them.
Shouldn't the educated Hindus instead of going to the Banaras or the
Himalayas for personal purification of going to heaven, help the priests (I
mean to at least tell the people that these Priests do not BITE and see for
themselves too that these priests do not instigate violence; instead they
choose to talk big on Internet).

Its OK for FN to say let people believe in whatever they want to, if so, why
Afghanistan and Iraq?
If Hindus do not want to educate people in this 21st century of ours. What
chance have these people got?

Last of all, to have convulsions or not, it is a personal choice,(some do,
some dont).
There are young people who will marry outside their cast (or whatever) JUST
to annoy authority - these people will never get convulsion no matter how
much you try, instead they will give you one. That is the difference.
Caj.
Selma, after studying astrology (out of curiosity) - (Sir Isac Newton said
to his friends "if you have not studied astrology do not comment - I have").
I now know that you cannot change a person's psyche, if they are vulnerable
to be hypnotised they will, Daren Brown picks one out of 100 to be
hypnotised, because he knows they can be manipulated.

Re: [Goanet] HIGH AND LOW TIDE AND IT'S EFFECT.

[Mervyn Lobo]

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Santosh Helekar wrote:
> The claims below regarding gravitational effects of sun and moon on blood 
> flow and brain activity are completely bogus.


>> On Fri, 7/24/09, MD  wrote:
>> It is true if you happen to get injured or cut during the high tide,
>> the blood outflow is more as it is caused by the gravitational force cited 
>> above.

>> These tides affect even people suffering from physiatric problems as
>> it has effect on the brain activity.  The role of the Gravitation is
>> strange but true…the entire solar system is controlled by this force



Not so fast, Santosh.
In a previous life in Africa, I would get five guys calling me on any weekend 
when there was a full moon. They would want to take me out on their boat so
that I could show them the spots where lobsters went totally mad, walking 
around in circles. 

These guys were convinced that on a full moon, prawns, crabs and lobsters
went berserk and became easy prey. Much as I tried, I could not convince
anyone that the lobsters were always around. 

The reason these guys spotted and shot lobsters is because they were 
convinced that lobsters were easy prey on a full moon. When they paid 
attention to lobster signs, they found lobsters.
 
As they say, a picture is worth a thousand words. 
Here is a new moon/high tide lobster picture:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/45002...@n00/3289433676/sizes/l/in/photostream/


I am convinced that those who believe that the moon has an effect on their 
brains, will er, get effected by that belief. 
 

Mervyn1650Lobo


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[Goanet] G’bye Goa - Goan Emigration-2: HERA LD(Goa), July 26, 2009

[Valmiki Faleiro]

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G’BYE GOA: GOAN EMIGRATION-2
By Valmiki Faleiro

If Afonso de Albuquerque turned Portugal’s quest for oriental spices into an 
aspiration
for an Eastern Empire, his dream began to crystallize during the tenure of the 
greatest
administrator after him, Nuno da Cunha (1529-38.) Hormuz had been captured in 
1515
and Malacca in 1519. Cunha consolidated Portuguese presence all over India. In 
his
time, Portugal’s capital city in Africa-Asia was shifted from Cochin to Goa, in 
1530.

In 1534, his 21-ship armada forced the Sultan of Gujarat to surrender the seven 
islands
of “Bom Baiya” (Bombay) to the Portuguese. These, clubbed with nearby 
possessions,
were called “Praças de Norte.” In 1536, Cunha intervened for the Nawab of 
Bengal,
Muhammad Shah-III, against Sher Shah, and gained fort-factories in Chittagong, 
then
Bengal’s principal city. Satgaon followed. He also secured trading rights in 
Hooghly,
Bandel, Calcutta and several riverine areas in Bengal.

Cunha helped the Gujarat ruler and obtained Diu on the coast of Kathiawar. He 
died on
board while sailing home in 1538, near the Portuguese island of Azores in the 
Atlantic.
He was, by his wish, accorded a sea funeral.

The seeds sown by Nuno da Cunha would yield rich dividends. By 1555, the 
dominion
around Bombay covered a much larger area, including the island of Salcete near 
Thane.
The Portuguese had a dozen fort-factories in the Bombay area (Fort-Bombay, 
Sewri,
Mahim, Worli, Bandra, Sion, Vasai, Arnala, Mahim Kelvi, Chaul, Morro de Chaul 
and
Caranja.) Further north there were five forts, at Moti Daman, Nani Daman (Daman 
was
captured in 1558), Diu and two at sea, “Fortim do Mar” and St. Antonio at 
Simbor – the
last place in India to be freed in 1961. Bombay, as we know, would be one of 
the largest
destinations of Goan émigrés, when under the British.

To the south of Goa, the Portuguese were entrenched in ten fort-factories: two 
in
Cochin, one each in Calicut/Kozhikode, Quilon, Chaliyam, Cananore, Cranganore/
Kodungalur, all in Kerala, and in Mangalore, Barcelor/Basrur and Onor/Honavar.

The Portuguese spread in India opened new economic opportunities to Goans. Home
fires burning dim, they out-migrated to these places in large numbers. Hundreds 
of
Goans did well in Bengal and the Gujarat, Malabar and Coromandel coasts.

Outside India, the Portuguese captured Ceylon (it was they who gave the island 
nation
that name) and ventured far into the East. Other than Spice Islands, Malacca 
and others
in the Malay Archipelago, they took Pacem in Sumatra and places in the 
Indonesian and
South China seas, including Macao and Timor. Goans were in Macao by the 17th
century. Goan soldiers actually helped defend it in 1784.

With complete control of the African coasts, Bahrain and Oman in the Persian 
Gulf,
India, Sri Lanka, right down to the South China Sea and the Celebes, Portugal 
became
the undisputed master of Asian trade with Europe. And Goa, the capital city of 
its
Eastern Empire, was referred to as "Goa Dourada," among other sobriquets. It 
was said,
"Quem viu Goa, dispensa de ver Lisboa" (he who has seen Goa need not see 
Lisbon.)
The city’s cosmopolitan population was variously estimated from 2,00,000 to 
half-million.

Though Goan seafarers had links with East Africa in the 10th Century AD as 
traders,
Portugal’s expansion in Africa from the point of view of emigration, assumes 
relevance.
The first known Goan in Mozambique was Calisto, assistant to a missionary. Both 
were
killed there in 1560. Goans helped the Portuguese colonialise Mozambique, and 
in 1594,
to capture Mombassa.

Portugal’s empire blossomed in Africa, extending over large areas, from Guinea 
in the
north, to Sudan, Congo, Angola, Benguela, Nigeria, Ghana (the Gold Coast), 
Dahomy,
and Mombassa, to the islands of Pemba and Zanzibar.

As Portugal’s empire expanded in Africa, Goans in significant numbers emigrated 
to
Portuguese Africa. There were adventurers, mercenaries, entrepreneurs, educated,
skilled and otherwise. Many made it big in business, some even enthroned 
themselves
as local fiefs and kings. I named a few in ‘Goan Businessmen-4’ (‘Herald,’ 
16-Dec-2007.)

Today I’ll mention only the academic, Dr. Rosendo Ayres Ribeiro, who held 
several
world patents, including one for malaria cure: qu

Re: [Goanet] Church vs State

[Santosh Helekar]

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--- On Sat, 7/25/09, Santosh Helekar  wrote:
> 
> And when a priest who has stepped into the partisan
> political arena in a secular country advocates that secular
> governments should listen to the advice of his supreme
> religious leader, as he does in the following article on his
> blog, I cannot help but be doubly suspicious.
> 

I forgot to provide the article mentioned above. Here is the link to it:

http://humanrightsindia.blogspot.com/

Cheers,

Santosh


  

[Goanet] Please identify this historical monument

[JoeGoaUk]

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The monument
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukchurches/3756019479/sizes/l/
 
View from it’s sideway
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukchurches/3756020597/sizes/l/
 
This in infront (with rain clouds in the background)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukchurches/3756019955/sizes/l/
 
 
Clue: 
1577
It’s about 432 years old
The village (with Church) was once abandoned by the villagers due to a killer 
plague that killed many. The Village/Church now has about 350 Catholics.


joego...@yahoo.co.uk 

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[Goanet] Some Books on Goa Which Can Be Read On Line at Google Books

[Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक न ोरोन्या]

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Books on Goa: Read On Line at Google Books Click on Link

Villages of Goa In the Early Sixteenth Century by Henry Baden Powell

http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=oIdDIAAJ&oi=fnd&pg=PA261&dq=related:aRPPMqFXKicJ:scholar.google.com/&ots=9RsJrEayTx&sig=J3-7CxV1Da3F8Jk852GKyKNKggA



Some Neglected Aspects of the Conversion of Goa  by Rowena Robinson

http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=2cIOqGcvHqoC&oi=fnd&pg=PA177&dq=Medieval+Goa:+A+Socio+Economic+Study&ots=-ycS6X_CLt&sig=B14L_Yz0p7ik-_LSVvlP8nShJXo


Language and Diaspora:The Use of Portuguese, English and Konkani by
Catholic Goan Women  by Stella Mascarenhas-Keyes

http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=7CSomUzJQuYC&oi=fnd&pg=PA149&dq=Medieval+Goa:+A+Socio+Economic+Study&ots=QapaKEyZZS&sig=-7LNhlUVD0QkgaoBtaDCW15Vhq8

Re: [Goanet] Church vs State (formerly Fr Cedric Prakash)

[isouza]

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From: "Mario Goveia" 

From: "isouza" 

Precisely at this juncture we need prophets who will live and die for
Truth in the "secular" democracy. Catholic priests and lay people have the
duty to speak against abortion, which is a crime, and "gay marriage", 
which is a contradiction in terms...scientifically, medically, 
biologically, sociologically and ethically... What Fr.Cedric is doing is 
not against his priestly vows, but the concrete expression of his 
commitment and ministry for the people of God, particularly for the 
oppressed ones.


The work of Fr.Cedric Prakash is a priestly ministry, it is not the work
of a politician only but of every citizen, within their limits. Fr.Cedric 
is not "running for office".


Mario asks:

If he is not running for office what is all the fuss about?

If he is not running for office he can speak out all he wants regardless 
of whether anyone agrees with him or not.


***This "logic" can suit somebody who is far in the diaspora and is not 
concerned about the Dalits of India, but Fr.Cedric Prakash loves them, is 
devoted to their welfare and is facing threats to his own life in defending 
the fundamental rights of the children of God, the Dalits, the oppressed 
people... He is not "running for office", but he is running after the 
legitimate rights of our own brethren, and therefore he is concerned about 
being heard by those who oppress them and by those whose duty is to defend 
the Indian citizens...

Regards.
Fr.Ivo

Re: [Goanet] Missing coffee at Goa's Marliz in Margao

[Gabe Menezes]

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2009/7/25 Pandu Lampiao 

> 
> * G * O * A * N * E * T  C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S *
> 
>
>  Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services,
>  training and research and is looking to buy land of approx 1500 to
>  2000 sq mtrs betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas
>
> If you have land to sell, please contact:
>
> contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or phone +91-9881499458
>
> http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html
> 
>
> Aye Joe,
>
> I went to Marliz for their good ole plum cake...and the chap from
> Carnataka (till he opened his bouche, I though he was amcho Goicho)
> told me, ' ye bewda ke saat aachha laagta haai". Drunk at noon too, he
> was this chap.
> *sigh* I was told Marliz has been sold and someone from upcountry is
> the new owner. There were no customers (Sol-sette aunties) and no
> flies either. In my quest for the best Sol-sette plum cake, I did make
> inquiries and its a fair bus ride away from Margao (no I ain't
> telling, you don't mind no).
>
> RESPONSE: My man if you can just make it another 3 kms down the road, to
Navelim, the Rosary complex shopping area; the shop facing you on your right
as you walk into the cul de sac has a really declcious plum cake - he will
even have it cut into pieces for you, on request!
-- 
DEV BOREM KORUM.

Gabe Menezes.
London.

[Goanet] Goa news for July 26, 2009

[Goanet News Service]

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Goa News from Google News and Goanet.org
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*** Goa hikes entry fees to casinos ten times - Hindu Business
Line
tandard.com/india/news/goa-cabinet-withdraws-sez-policy/68794/on&usg=AFQjCNEtTDXKO30vsTcHU85GaA-3tQSK9w">Goa
Cabinet withdraws SEZ policy
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*** Pranab assures assistance to Goa - Hindu
efuses-special-status-for-Goa&usg=AFQjCNHmj-OR_EZ5vTAIA57pxnWukUZu2Q">Pranab
refuses special status for Goa
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*** Clouds blank solar eclipse in Goa - Times of India
gdAapFalhCokZwA">Eclipse: Goa team promises stars
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*** Goa govt sanctions walkie-talkies for fishermen - Press
Trust of India
alkies to communicate from mid-sea to the control rooms on ...
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*** Local \'Goa\' on Malaysian sands - IndiaGlitz
diaGlitzNow people are expecting more from their next movie,
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*** Missing coffee at Goa\'s Marliz in Margao - Merinews
fter eating hole and a meeting point for the Satiskars
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*** HJS alleges terrorists\' hand in desecration of temples in
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*** Goa police spends 2.15 cr on mordenisation - Hindu
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*** Sesa Goa makes preferred allotment - SteelGuru
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*** Israel army encourages soldiers to \'get stoned\' in Goa? -
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[Goanet] Workshop on Hazards of Mercury and its Safe Disposal.

[Goa Desc]

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 --
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family members, relatives, neighbours and friends.
Help CONSUMERS in Goa to be better informed.
--
--
Workshop on Hazards of Mercury and its Safe Disposal.

The Goa Desc Resource Centre in collaboration with
Toxics Link New Delhi, European Environmental Bureau (EEB)
and the Goa Civic and Consumer Action Network (GOACAN)
is organising a one day workshop on the Hazards of Mercury
and its Safe Disposal at the Caritas Holiday Home, St. Inez,
Panjim on Saturday 25th July 2009.



The workshop which will be inaugurated by Dr. Simon  N. de Souza,

Chairman, Goa State Pollution Control Board will see the participation

of Medical Institutions, Health Professionals, Government Departments,

NGOs, Consumer Forums, Lecturers, Students and concerned citizens.



The workshop is part of an awareness program on the Safe handling

of Mercury incase of spills, information on alternatives to Mercury

as well as the larger issues of handling, segregation, transportation,

treatment and disposal of Medical Waste.



The workshop seeks to review the situation in Goa by involving all

the stakeholders and prepare an effective Action Plan for the

management and eventual phase out of Mercury.

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Re: [Goanet] Missing coffee at Goa's Marliz in Margao

[Pandu Lampiao]

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Aye Joe,

I went to Marliz for their good ole plum cake...and the chap from
Carnataka (till he opened his bouche, I though he was amcho Goicho)
told me, ' ye bewda ke saat aachha laagta haai". Drunk at noon too, he
was this chap.
*sigh* I was told Marliz has been sold and someone from upcountry is
the new owner. There were no customers (Sol-sette aunties) and no
flies either. In my quest for the best Sol-sette plum cake, I did make
inquiries and its a fair bus ride away from Margao (no I ain't
telling, you don't mind no).

In the good old days, the whole area around Marliz was thick with the
plum cake aroma, the smell of burnt cake paper!

Aside from their patties, their chocolate roll cake was a short cut to
sinful heaven!!! Not to mention their uncomfortable wrought iron
chairs  where well-fed Sol-sette aunties sat ackward trying to keep
their balance and the parties going directly from plate-to-mouth!!

Where patties go, good old Cajlin in the Cansaulim market is gone as
well (a few years ago...still around but...). Their prawn patties were
soft and flaky (no, I am not referring to the pompous posting Pedro
from Mississauga), spicy to let one one stream of sweat and sweet
onion and subtle saltiness of the prawn. Apparently the children are
doing well in some place called the Goulf!!!

On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 9:26 AM, JoeGoaUk wrote:
> 
> * G * O * A * N * E * T  C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S *
> 

>
> Besides, Tea/Coffee, Marliz was also popular for patices, crochets, cakes etc
>
> They also used to take outdoor orders like boufet etc.
> 'Leitao torad'  was the best.
>
> I even remember visiting their residence somewhere  behind Vidya Neketan or 
> behind Caro on Abede Faria Road? They had plenty of piglings, as and where 
> there was an order, the workers there used to lift a piglet/Leitao by its 
> hind legs.
>
>
> joego...@yahoo.co.uk
>
> for Goa & NRI related info...
> http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/
>
> For Goan Video Clips
> http://youtube.com/joeukgoa
>
> In Goa, Dial  1 0 8
> For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
>
>
>

[Goanet] Open letter to Goa CM

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CENTRE FOR PANCHAYATI RAJ - PEACEFUL SOCIETY

  'Ashirvad' H.No. 842 /1, Alto-Porvorim, Bardez, Goa 403 521Phone: 
0832 2903352

 Regd. office: Peaceful Society, Kundaim, Goa 403 115  
Phone: 0832 2392236

 

OPEN LETTER

 

Date: 24th July 2009

 

To:

Shri Digambar Kamat,

Hon'ble Chief Minister,

Government of GOA.

 

Dear Shri. Kamat, 

We are very much aware about your much publicised concern for Goa and your 
repeated assurances to govern in the best interests of the 'aam admi'. This 
burdensome challenge could perhaps leave you with hardly any time to recall the 
political history of this great nation. If I may be permitted to remind you, it 
was the Indian National Congress which struggled against British rule so that 
the people of this country could shape their own destiny. It was the then Prime 
Minister late Shri Rajiv Gandhi of the Congress Party, who 40 years after 
India's independence from British rule, took the bold step to fulfill this 
dream of independent India and the Father of the Nation Mahatma Gandhi by 
introducing the 64th Amendment Bill to the Constitution of India in the Lok 
Sabha on 15th May 1989 with the popular slogan of "Power to the people". The 
dream became reality on 21st December 1992 when the motion on the 73rd 
Constitution Amendment was finally carried through with the required three
 -fourth majority in the Lok Sabha. But 15 years after the seventy-third 
Constitution amendment the much promised and advertised power to the people of 
Goa appears to have been lost in transit from New Delhi to Goa while the 
precious natural resources in Goa's pristine villages gets plundered and it's 
internationally acclaimed identity is systematically erased. 

The persistence of the Goa Government in re-introducing the controversial Goa 
Panchayat Raj (Amendment) Bill, 2009 with insignificant cosmetic changes is no 
consolation to the people of Goa. Whether the bureaucrats swing into action if 
the Village Panchayat does not execute the order within one month, or whether 
they immediately get the Secretary of the Village Panchayat to execute the 
orders, is of little consequence. The term 'order' itself reflects a colonial 
mindset. The crux of the issue is the overriding powers that are increasingly 
being vested in the hands of government officers (civil servants) and 
semi-government corporations over a constitutionally elected Village Panchayat 
which is recognised as an "institution of self-government" by the Constitution 
of India. In a federal structure, does the Union Government order and direct a 
State Government, or does it recommend and request? 

This lame excuse that the present provisions of the Goa Panchayat Raj Act, 1994 
do not provide sufficient powers to the Directorate of Panchayats to direct the 
execution of an order in an appeal is not at all convincing. For that matter 
there are several areas in which the Village Panchayat is helpless in executing 
it's own orders and as a result injustice is caused to the people, but the 
Government of Goa has done little over the last 15 years to give it more teeth. 
The Supervisory Committees in the Gram Sabha are helpless in ensuring the 
proper implementation of Panchayat works. There are umpteen instances where the 
Gram Sabha (the apex body in the Village Panchayat) resolutions have not been 
executed by the Sarpanch of the village. Has the Government of Goa through its 
Directorate of Panchayats ensured that justice is done to the people? And where 
does a citizen go when the Directorate of Panchayats drags its feet for years 
together in dispensing justice over illegal const
 ructions, blatant irregularities and corruption matters in Village Panchayats? 
The same remedy that exists for seeking justice in the event that the 
Directorate of Panchayats fails to deliver also exists in case the order of the 
Directorate of Panchayats is not executed by the Village Panchayat. 
Fortunately, myself, as an elected  member of Village Panchayat and thereafter 
as an activist, did have the opportunity to work closely with the former 
Director of Panchayats late Mr. G. G. Kambli. We therefore wonder whether such 
a situation for an amendment would have arisen should a competent officer like 
late Mr. Kambli have bee

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[Goanet] Who the Bleep cares about British racism?

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Selma Carvalho:  Who the Bleep cares about British racism? 

Title: Who the Bleep cares about British racism? 
By: Selma Carvalho
Source: Goan Voice Daily Newsletter 26 July 2009

Full text:

In keeping with my last week's topic on racial slurs, it's interesting
indeed to note 19th century British views on Goa and Goans. When Richard
Burton, the indefatigable British explorer visited Goa circa 1846, while on
sick leave from the service of Her Majesty's Empire, apart from referring to
Goans as "niggers" and "blacks", thought of "this race as decidedly the
lowest in the scale of civilized humanity we have yet seen. In appearance
they are short, heavy, meager and very dark; their features are uncomely in
the extreme. They are dirtier than Pariahs, and abound in cutaneous
diseases." Perhaps Burton can be forgiven, for this rakish, British army
officer, who later became famous for leading an expedition to Lake
Tanganyika and entering Mecca disguised as a Muslim, was an untameable
maverick. His prose contained possibly every thought that popped into his
head and every emotion that found its way into his veins, and one has to
read his writings with a tremendous sense of humour. But, Burton wasn't the
only one echoing such sentiments about Goans around that time. In fact, what
he wrote was considered to be pretty accurate reporting by the British in
the 19th century. 

A prominent British newspaper, The Graphic, had this to say about Goans in
September of 1890: "Goa is a sleepy Hollow of a place whose inhabitants have
no greater ambition than to find employment on British territory.in addition
to the natives, Goa has a considerable population of half-castes, who
although black as Africans, pride themselves as having Portuguese blood in
their veins. They are a pugnacious and litigious lot, and idle withal, not
to mention a little weakness for alcohol." Now the graphic was a very
popular illustrated paper, founded by William Luson Thomas, a social
reformer and, a contemporary and friend of Charles Dickens. He would have
moved in fairly liberal and progressive circles, and yet it wasn't
outrageous in England at the time to indulge in such stereotype and be
blighting about skin colour, for the same paper, on December 4, 1875, wrote:
"The inhabitants - the Goanese are a mixed breed of Portuguese, Hindoos and
Africans, "blacker in hue," a writer to the Daily Telegraph tells us "than
almost any natives of the Peninsular."

Even more galling than the bias against skin colour are the blatant
stereotypes by the British of Goans as butlers, cooks and ayahs, a phrase
alleged attributed to Nehru many years later, yet it was the British who
created this phrase and used it frequently. Following Portugal's reluctance
to parcel off Goa to the British in order to settle a royal debt, the Bombay
Telegraph in British India, grudgingly reported in 1857: "it seems that the
Portuguese have resolved to retain possession of Goa, preferring that it
should remain a nursery for cooks and ayahs." Nowadays of course such
outright racism would be unheard of in the UK although certain rags are
still steeply inclined towards conservative, left-wing and racially charged
biases.

It is ironic perhaps that the same race of "black Goans" were completely
entrusted and absolutely indispensable to the running of the civil services
in East Africa. Indeed, it often happened that when the white officer was on
tour of the bush country, the Goan clerk was left alone in charge of both
the money and the native Africa police force. On occasion having to defend
the outpost against attacks. It must be said however that post World War II,
British attitudes changed considerably not just towards Goans but generally
towards non-white populations, although one wonders if racism in the UK is
entirely a thing of the past.

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[Goanet] Fr Cedric Prakash...Lets learn from him!!!

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The person of Fr Cedric Prakash seems to be providing readers of goanet
plenty of food for thought !!!I did a google search on him and am simply
amazed by his consistency and his commitment in his defense of human rights
of all...He is truly a Priest for our times!

Interestingly Fr Prakash was at the forefront in Relief and Rehabilitation
,when the Sikhs were killed and hounded in Delhi,after Indira Gandhi's
assassination in 1984That is almost 25years ago!

Later the Govt of India(CONGRESS!!!) awarded him the KABIR PURASKAR for his
role in promoting communal peace and harmony in Ahmedabad,after the
demolition of the Babri Masjid

And again, the Minorities Commission gave him the Minorities Rights Award
2006...this apart from several other  national and international
recognitions ..

Rajiv Desai, Santosh and your ilk ..ARE YOU LISTENING???..If not convinced
then check the blog of one Shantanu Dutta..which I paste here below..

The tile of the article is really apt for some
Cheers
Bosco!





 *Learn you bigots from Fr Cedric*

Fr Cedric Prakash is a shining example for all self and own community
servers. He has stood up both for Gujarat Muslims and Kashmiri Pandits. To
him, what matters are humans, not religion..

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INDIA’S NATIONAL COMMISSION for Minorities has chosen Cedric
Prakash,
director of the Jesuit-run Prashant Centre for Human Rights, Justice and
Peace as the 2006 recipient of its Minorities Rights Award for his work in
the area of human rights in the country.



The Jesuit priest was also honoured this year with France’s Legion of
Honourfor his action on behalf of victims of the 2002 Gujarat
massacre. Father
Prakash dedicated this prize to Aminaben Rasool, a Muslim mother who saw her
son murdered during the 2002 massacre and has not been able to find his
body. In his acceptance speech, he talked not just about the plight of the
Muslims in Gujarat, but also that of the Kashmiri Pandits, displaced in
their own land owing to internal strife.



At a time when society is increasingly polarized and caste, language,
religious and ethnic groups fight for their own rights — even under the
minority grab — it is gratifying to see someone more concerned about the
rights of other communities than own. Undoubtedly, Fr Cedric Prakash is
involved the issues of religious persecution of his Christian community in
Gujarat, but he did not get stuck there as many would possibly have done. He
acted and intervened as a humanist, not just as a priest of the Catholic
Church just shepherding his own flock.



We need more such examples of people who subsuming their own identity, look
beyond the confines of the narrow domestic walls and see the scene beyond
and react and respond appropriately. It is particularly helpful that he can
switch from being a defender of Muslims in Gujarat to being a spokesperson
for the cause of the displaced Kashmiri Pandits. It’s unfortunate that the
issue is not regarded as rights violation, but rather, has been pushed to
the realm of Hindu-Muslim subject, as pointed out by some rights watchers.



Interactions with intellectuals and activists reveal that in actual fact
neither the government nor the social organizations are sincerely trying to
restore the dignity of the Pandits who are living as refugees in their own
country.



Many years ago, December 06, 1992, when the Babri Masjid structure was
demolished, I came across a quote for the first time that I have seen many
times since. It was the experience of the Rev Martin Niemoller in 1945 when
living in Nazi Germany.



*First they came for the Communists, **
and I didn’t speak up,
because I wasn’t a Communist.*

*Then they came for the Jews,**
and I didn’t speak up,
because I wasn’t a Jew.
Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I was a Protestant. *

  *Then they came for me,*

*and** by that time there was no one**
left to speak up for me.*



Rev Martin Niemoller was protected until 1937 by both the foreign press and
influential friends in the up-scale Berlin suburb where he preached.
Eventually, he was arrested fo

[Goanet] re Homosexuality, Celibacy, Marriage et al.

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--- On Sat, 7/25/09, isouza  wrote:

[1] There cannot be "gay marriage", which is a contradiction in terms both
in  the light of reason and of faith.

[2] Legal may not be ethical.

[3] Abortion is a crime, even scientifically investigated.

[4] Abortion should not be legalized, as "gay marriage" should not be
legalized, so also incest, homicide, pedophilia...


Dear Fr Ivo,

I know it is not illegal to be unreasonable; I wonder if it is ethical to be
so.

I am glad that you placed  "gay marriage" in italics.  For, all the
individuals who are homosexuals wish - are their civil rights (as in
succession and hospital visitation rights for loved ones). I doubt they
would care about the word "marriage" in their relationship.

In the same vein, I ask: Is mandatory celibacy .reasonable or even
ethical?

And ...would you agree (or perhaps not) - That celibacy should be by choice
and should not be enforced?

Like Santoshbab, I am intrigued (but not surprised) that you would place
homo-sexuality et abortion in the same class as incest, homicide and
pedophilia.

I leave you with this question - allow me to ascertain if "we" are even
marginally capable of 'reasonableness'.

### If a pregnant woman's life is threatened with the continuation of her
pregnancy, would you afford her an abortion or allow her to die?

Giving her Carrot Juice and 'Homeopathic remedies which cure everything
possible' is not an option.

jc

[Goanet] Missing coffee at Goa's Marliz in Margao

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>Hello Gabe,
>It seems only yesterday that the memories have been triggered by your
>article - vow I can recall the taste and smell of the patties that made my
>mouth water albeit - circa 1975 to 1980. Out of Goa since then. Thanks for
>triggering those memories.
>Ashley D'Silva

I have faint but fond memories of Marliz, as a child who was born
hardly 200 meters from Marliz in my mother's place. I still remember the smell 
of coffee. I also remember some posters on the wall; things like "smile" and
stuff like that.

These are early memories of a place which I found to be the most sophisticated 
in Margao.

I dont think we should let Marliz close. We should revive it. Any takers?

regards,
Samir



  

Re: [Goanet] Church vs State (formerly Fr Cedric Prakash)

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Mario wrote:

My opinion has to do with conflicts of interest between vows that REAL 
priests take versus whom they would be required to represent in a secular 
democracy. For example, the Vatican places stringent restrictions on 
Catholic politicians in matters of abortion and gay marriage, which may 
clash with secular policy. This would apply ten fold to priests.

Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 10:38:15 -0700
From: "isouza" 

Precisely at this juncture we need prophets who will live and die for 
Truth in the "secular" democracy. Catholic priests and lay people have the 
duty to speak against abortion, which is a crime, and "gay marriage", which is 
a contradiction in terms...scientifically, medically, biologically, 
sociologically and ethically... What Fr.Cedric is doing is not against his 
priestly vows, but the concrete expression of his commitment and ministry for 
the people of God, particularly for the oppressed ones.

The work of Fr.Cedric Prakash is a priestly ministry, it is not the work 
of a politician only but of every citizen, within their limits. Fr.Cedric is 
not "running for office". 

Mario asks:

If he is not running for office what is all the fuss about?

If he is not running for office he can speak out all he wants regardless of 
whether anyone agrees with him or not.

[Goanet] Church vs State

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Mario Goviea:

Even the Bible recognized that God and Shivaji should be kept apart.

Response:

I understand that the reference was to temporal matters. I am however, open
to correction.

Mario Goviea:

However, I don't believe the debate is about Fr. Prakash simply speaking
out, but about becoming a politician and running for office.  It is about
the conflict of loyalty when one takes an oath of office in a secular
democracy and an oath to serve one's God at the same time.

 Response: Could you kindly provide references where it is stated that Fr
Cedric Prakash has become a politician or ran for political office?

 I see no conflict in serving God and man in a secular democracy where the
areas converge.

Regards,

Marshall

[Goanet] Goa, Coconut Oil and Liberation Make-Believology!

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 16:02:26 -0400
From: "J. Colaco  < jc>" 

I can see the word "liberation" does ring a bell with those who
trespass (for reason of Coconut or other Oil; later blamed on 'faulty
intelligence' ) into the land of another. Gundagiri, is what it is.

Mario and the Fixed News Crew are welcome to that "Liberation"
theology err make-believology.

Mario responds:

Any rational person would know that the Gundagiri was that of the Portuguese 
who conquered and colonized Goa by force and exploited it for hundreds of years.

JC wrote:

I am not going to discuss that here - until Mario can show us where
the 'fugetios' are. Isn't that the reason why the Bushies moved their
attention from the Area of real problem to the Area where Coconut Oil
was aplenty? Never mind the number of innocent people killed i.e.
including the US soldiers, the number wounded, and the millions who
have and will have PTSD (Post Traumatic Stress Disorder).

Mario responds:

Any rational person would know that the thousands killed in Iraq were killed by 
Muslim sectarian fanatics, aided and abetted by Al Qaeda, Iran and Syria, and 
with the immoral support of those who would have preferred the dictatorship of 
Saddam Hussein to continue.   The US soldiers were assisting the Iraqi armed 
forces, at their request, to STOP the violence.

JC wrote:

For this, the war-monger among us will have numerous reasons and
justifications...including "liberation". (You can read his posts here
in the archives some of them make interesting (as in jokey)
reading)

Mario responds:

The opponents of the liberation war-monger among us is the brutal 
dictatorship-monger among us.  I would support the liberation war monger over 
the brutal dictatorship monger any day of the year, especially since the 
victims of the brutal dictatorship agree with me.

JC wrote:

Perhaps, Mario Goveia will show me the word "liberation" in the pdf
reference he provided. Perhaps, he does not understand English.

Mario responds:

One needs a modicum of common sense and sequential logic to follow this:

The Portuguese had conquered Goa by force and colonized it for hundreds of 
years.  In 1961, after refusing to comply with the precedents set by Britain 
and France and numerous requests to vacate the premises, they were firmly 
evicted by the Indian Army.  Thus Goa was liberated from the European invaders 
and colonists.  The pdf reference was of the treaty by which the Portuguese 
accepted their defeat and ceded sovereignty of the colonies they had forcibly 
annexed back to India.

JC wrote:

Now why go to the UN which Mario and those war-mongers do not
recognise when it is inconvenient, Look at what the Indian Supreme
Court had to say 12 years before Mario Soares and Yeshwant Chavan
signed the 1974 accord.

(M. Hidayatullah, C.J., S. M. Sikri, R.S. Bachawat, G. K. Mitter and
K.S. Hegde, JJ.)

'Goa ANNEXED by India after swift military action'

Mario responds:

It is simply a fact that Goa was annexed from the Portuguese colonists after 
swift military action after they had occupied Goa illegally for hundreds of 
years.  What's wrong with that?  When a foreign invader is kicked out the area 
they had previously annexed by force is "liberated" from them, by definition.

The subsequent treaty simply recognized this fact.

JC wrote:

Nuff said!

Mario concludes:

Precisely.  By any rational definition, Goa was annexed and liberated by force 
from the Portuguese invaders who had previously annexed it by force.

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--- On Sat, 7/25/09, isouza  wrote:
>
>There cannot be "gay marriage", which is a contradiction in terms both in
> the light of reason and of faith. Legalizing does not mean
> that ethically is sound. Legal may not be ethical. Abortion
> is a crime, even scientifically investigated. Abortion
> should not be legalized, as "gay marriage" should not be
> legalized, so also incest, homicide, pedophilia... Religion
> throws light on human nature.
> 

Very sorry to see the crimes of incest, homicide and pedophilia being equated 
to someone's sexual orientation and to a legal medical procedure, on account of 
parochial religious beliefs. We need to speak out against this type of 
dangerous prejudiced mentality.

Cheers,

Santosh


  

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Gabe,

But surely, he will jump up and down and tell you that it is OK for
Pedru from Betalbatim to trespass into his house because he (our man)
was suspected of pouring Caju Feni over his wife; This the same Caju
Feni that Pedru had sold him.

His reasoning would be thus:

1: He had used Caju Feni before 'on his own relatives' because they
were unruly. (We only use Agente Laranja)

2: He was (according to faulty intelligence) "believed" to have
contact with the dreaded 'Colemaos'.

3: Sacramento Colemao was once in O-High-O to receive medical
treatment. This was proof of contact.

4: There was also a 'sexed-up' dossier (foreward by Antonio Boratt)
that He (our Man) was capable of throwing Caju Feni all over the
rusty-belt in 45 seconds.

5: The 'inspectors' cannot find the Caju Feni - not because - the caju
does not exists (as he claims) but because he is moving it from room
to room.

6: Why can't he prove it that he does not have Caju Feni? When last
did he pour Caju Feni on his wife?

Such is the logic of the Fixed News brainwashed.

No wonder - amcho Urakbaba has to now do the 'cleaning up' while
Mario's chaps are going for a hike in the Appa-lay-Shiuns via Buenos
Airesor visit some airport toilet seeking ?etc

These are the same guys ...who were so "Kris-chen" -lee horrified with
the escapades of amcho Guilhermo ani Monica. (Have not heard much
these days from the then-scandalised Viviana)

But hey wait for him. He will make his usual spiel with his usual
gunda-giri solutions.

He is, after all, the only voice of rejunn and trootiness.

jc


2009/7/25 Gabe Menezes  wrote:

The man does not know the meaning of liberation fullstop.

Tell that to the 5 million displaced Iraqis,Tell that to the
Hundreds of thousand of Christians who had to flee Iraq because of the
'liberation'..Equally tell that to the Goans who were not
consulted after being 'liberated', whether they wished to be
assimilated into India - heck at least they didn't do the same to East
Pakistan!

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International Centre Goa (ICG) and Taleigao Chess Academy(TCA) in
association with Goa Ayurveda and Yoga Academy  organized an interactive 
session on “Prakruti Identification for Community Swasthya” on Saturday July
25, 2009 at 4.00 pm at Goa Ayurveda and Yoga Academy, Nuvem, Margao.

Following dignitaries expressed their views during this discussion:
Dr. Vivek Shanbhag - Director of Goa Ayurveda and Yoga Academy, Dr.
Deepali Naik of Hospicio- Margao, Dr. Venkatesh Hegde,Teacher, Art of
Living, Dr. Suraj Kanekar, President Bharat Swabhiman-Goa unit, Dr.
Anura Bale &  and Dr. Dikshit, both Faculty at Gomantak Ayurveda
Mahavidyalaya & Research Centre, Shiroda,  Dr. Laxmi Bharne, Dr. Sharmila Rao, 
Dentist  and Shri Shrikant Barve of TCA.

Dr. Shanbhag in his starting presentation mentioned that Chinese
concepts of Yin, Yang & Chi and Western conecpts of Endomorph,
Mesomorph & Ectomorph are similar to Ayurvedic concept of Kapha, Pitta
& Vata Prakriti. He emphasized that knowing your Prakriti helps in
staying healthy, avoiding diseases and improving mental and social
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Re: [Goanet] Missing coffee at Goa's Marliz in Margao

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Hello Gabe,
It seems only yesterday that the memories have been triggered by your
article - vow I can recall the taste and smell of the patties that made my
mouth water albeit - circa 1975 to 1980. Out of Goa since then. Thanks for
triggering those memories.
Ashley D'Silva
Thane/ Mumbai

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Subject: [Goanet] Missing coffee at Goa's Marliz in Margao


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http://www.merinews.com/article/missing-coffee-at-goas-marliz-in-margao/1577
7065.shtml
   Missing coffee at Goa's Marliz in Margao Armstrong Vaz Sat, Jul
25, 2009 14:46:30 IST  THE CLOSED shutters of Marliz restaurant, once
Margao's much sought-after eating hole and a meeting point for the Satiskars
(residents of Salcete taluka in the Indian state of Goa), points to yet
another grim story. A sad tale of yet another Goan enterprise folding up.
The place had become synonymous with the high and  mighty of Salcete as they
discussed the day's hot stories over coffee while enjoying the fragrance and
greenery of the Margao Municipal garden.

Just as Mumbai's once famous and now closed Bastani restaurant was a perfect
place for Goans to start their day, back home Satiskars craved for Marliz's
coffee. If Basanti's meat mince was once highly-prized by Goans, here in
Margao it was coffee which ruled the roost at Marliz. There are many stories
of marriage, business deals, jobs, career options and land deals woven
around Marliz. But the name Marliz, has a story of its own. Like the Taj
Mahal, here was a man inspired by love for his wife, to name his business
venture after her - Maria and Luiza; she died soon after its establishment.

For many Salcete residents,it was not only about having their first morning
coffee while reading newspapers here, it went much beyond that. Its ideal
location, a few meters away from the old Margao bus station, meant that it
drew customers from varied fields. It served as a link for many
professionals, teachers and government servants. It was a place where the
creamy layer of Salcete met over a cup of coffee. Having your morning coffee
at Marliz was just an excuse for the gossip-happy Goans to  make their way
to the restaurant. There were many items on the menu you could pick up for
your breakfast, but there were others which were not served by the Marliz
staff, but which came as  side "assortments".

The morning newspapers had all the news that the Satiskars asked for. But
some craved for news which did not go into print - the untold stories of
affairs, bribery scandals, and more hot news. Its client base came from the
far-off villages of Cavelossim to Cansaulim, Curtorim to Cuncolim, Quepem to
Raia. Ask Assolna-based Panchayat Secretary Theophilo Almeida  or his
politician-cum-businessman friend John Baretto from Benaulim and they will
have numerous stories to tell, related as they were to Marliz. It was here
that land deals, engagement proposals, career options, job opportunities and
business options were discussed and fine-tuned.

If you wanted to bribe some government official then there were people to
guide you to that effect. The collector's building was a stone's throw away
from Marliz. The high and mighty from the collector's building came to
Marliz to have coffee. They needed the caffeine dose to give them the
adrenalin rush for their routine work. As college students, we sometimes ran
into our professors he

Re: [Goanet] Fr Cedric Prakash

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--- On Sat, 7/25/09, Cajetan Alvares  wrote:

> Your memory has served you right (I knew you would get at
> me some later
> date, I have been to Potta before you to see the acting).
> There is a big difference -- You have to see the broader
> picture.
--
Ah, I've always said I have a long memory on Goanet :-)

Now, let me put in as succintly as I can:

1. Men believe, making young girls dance naked, will appease the rain-God.
2. Men believe, letting young girls have convulsions, will rid them of the 
devil possessing their body.

Is there any tangible difference between the two? No,  both are irrational 
beliefs and the reason we know they are irrational is because our body of 
knowledge has expanded. It is just a matter of educating people to expand their 
body of knowledge. With education comes change. 

Best,
Selma


  

Re: [Goanet] Fr Cedric Prakash

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It is easy to ridicule beliefs we don't subscribe to, whether we were
born in a tradition or otherwise. We will always compare The Other
unfavourably with Us, and our beliefs. Don't you think that we should
simply let people believe in what they want to, instead of trying to
tell others how wrong they are? More so, when their beliefs don't
imping on us in any manner whatsoever? FN

2009/7/25 Cajetan Alvares :
> (Cajetan, if my memory serves me right (and forgive if it has failed me) but
> weren't you the one who was chiding me for pointing out the ridiculousness
> of Potta, especially the excorcisms?Can you tell us know how is this
> different from the excorcism, healing sessions and other acts carried out
> under the banner of faith at Potta?best,selma)
> ---
> Your memory has served you right (I knew you would get at me some later
> date, I have been to Potta before you to see the acting).
> There is a big difference -- You have to see the broader picture.

[Goanet] July 26 – THE FEAST OF ST. ANNE AND ST. JOAQUIM

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Anne and Joaquim were
grandparents of Jesus Christ.  They were
an exemplary couple.  Theirs was the best
family next only to their daughter’s, Mary’s, which comprised of Mary, Joseph
and Infant Jesus.

 

Anne and Joaquim spent most of
their time in prayers.  They were simple,
pious, God-fearing, patient, kind-hearted and a peaceful couple.

 

When Mary was three years old,
Anne took her to a temple and offered her to God’s service and thus she
fulfilled her promise.

 

In the past, people only
celebrated St. Anne’s feast on July 26, and St. Joaquim’s feast was celebrated
in August.  However, in the recent past
we have been celebrating their feast jointly on July 26.

 

This feast gives us an
opportunity to remember our old parents, grandparents and other elderly people
in our neighborhood/parish, who may be ailing in their homes and helpless.

 

They looked after us and took
care of us when they were in good health. 
Today, they are old and frail and need our assistance and shelter.  Just 
because they are old, we should not dump
them in a corner or admit them to Old-Age homes.

 

We must behave with
responsibility towards our old parents, grandparents and other elderly people,
and set a good example to our children, as otherwise they will follow and repay
us in the same coins as per the good old Konkani saying:  “Korta tea mapan 
bhogta” (You get repaid in
the same coins.)

 

At this great feast, let us
emulate St. Anne and St. Joaquim, follow in their footsteps and promise to look
after and take care of our elderly.

 

St. Anne’s feast is celebrated
all over Goa but it is celebrated with more
fervor in the South.  Per my knowledge, besides
Telaulim (Santana), the following churches in Goa
are dedicated to St. Anne:

 

Parra Church


 

Olavlim (Pomburpa) Church


 

Boddiem (Tivim) Church


 

Ponda Church


 

Agonda Church, and 

 

One chapel in Saligao.

 

In Anjuna church, we have an
altar on the left of its entrance dedicated to St. Anne.  At home, we still 
have in our oratorio or
olotor a small wooden statue of St. Anne, which was brought from our maternal
grandparents’ house in Benaulim around sixty years ago.

 

St. Anne’s feast is also known as
“Tovxeanchem fest” (Feast of Cucumbers.) 
This being the season of “tovxim” (cucumbers), people offer the
vegetable at the feet of St. Anne and make a humble request.

 

The tovxeanchem feast is
celebrated with great pomp and gaiety at the 310-odd-years old St. Anne Church,
Santana-Telaulim.  The historic church is
unique in the whole of Asia for its hollow
walls and is one of the best examples of Indian baroque.  It is a heritage 
monument of great importance
in Goa.

 

The church was founded in 1577
but was rebuilt by Msgr Francisco de Rego 1681-1689, and completed by his
successor, Fr. Antonio Francisco da Cunha in 1695.

 

It is believed that while the
edifice was under construction, an old lady appeared in a vision to a senior
villager and she told him that the church was her home and she wanted to live
in it.  Another old lady from the village
also saw the same vision.

 

The church had not been dedicated
to any patron saint till then.  And so,
the church was dedicated to St. Anne.

 

Newly wedded couples go to
Telaulim, offer a cucumber at the feet of St. Anne and petition:  

 

Portuguese:  ‘Senhora, tomai pepino, dai me menino’; 

 

Konkani: ‘Saibinni, hem tovxem
ghe ani mhaka ek ballok di’ (Our Lady, take this cucumber and give me a child.)

 

It is not only the childless
couples who go to Telaulim, bachelors and spinsters, too, go there.  Bachelors 
take a long spoon and petition:
 

 

Portuguese:  ‘Senhora, tomai colher, dai me mulher’; 

 

Konkani: ‘Saibinni, hem kuler ghe
ani mhaka bail di’ (Our Lady, take this spoon and give me a wife.)

 

Similarly, spinsters take some
lentils and beseech the saint:  

 

Portuguese:  ‘Senhora, tomai urido, dai me marido’; 

 

Konkani: ‘Saibinni, hi uddid-dal
ghe ani mhaka ghov di.” (Our Lady, take this uddid-dal and give me a husband.)

 

It is a tradition that has been
followed for long and is significant to the things presented.  A ‘kuler’ 
(spoon) relates more to women and
‘ballok’ (infant) to the males.

 

The feast of St. Anne and St. Joaquim
falls on July 26, but in Telaulim it is c

[Goanet] Missing coffee at Goa's Marliz in Margao

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[Goanet] Missing coffee at Goa's Marliz in Margao
 
Oi, Marlizantli cha/kofi hobodda lagtali.
Matxe marog pun decent.
 
Moga mhojea, visornaka mevonk maka marlizakodde.
 
Soirik: 
Okol-nouro eka mekak pounk etat vhoir  ‘Grace’ igorjekode
Mandli zaliar Cha/cofi piunk sokla Marlizant
Ou Jevonn Longinant
 
 
Marliz is seen in this Margao tour at 2.10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkjdbRL1kaE
 
 
it strarts with 'Moddgonvam Prasar' then Osia twin cinema, porne bazar, Court, 
Ispisanta igorz, olem ispitol, Kuroi, Tiatra hol, porne prasar, pulis estesao, 
Marliz, Jardin, Kamra, Longuinhos, Cine Lata, Gandhi market, minezis formas, 
Rly. station, skybus, Fatorda moidan etc etc
 
 
the article
http://www.merinews.com/article/missing-coffee-at-goas-marliz-in-margao/15777065.shtml
 
 
At a shop, next to Marliz. there used to be a big board displaying VIP 
breifs/underwear by the shop entrance (Now Usha Store, Ithink).
And we never used the word  'underwear' instead we call it 'Marliz'
and we still call it by that name.
 
There was also a Raikar Photo studio to the left of Marliz
 
Besides, Tea/Coffee, Marliz was also popular for patices, crochets, cakes etc
 
They also used to take outdoor orders like boufet etc.
'Leitao torad'  was the best.
 
I even remember visiting their residence somewhere  behind Vidya Neketan or 
behind Caro on Abede Faria Road? They had plenty of piglings, as and where 
there was an order, the workers there used to lift a piglet/Leitao by its hind 
legs.

 
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[Goanet] Wife sues Mistress

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Wife sues mistress for husband's affair; and as cause of breach of marriage 
contract - legally called tortuous interference of an exisiting contract.  
To make the suit worthwhile, the mistress has to be rich as in the following 
case.
Smart wife - gets trophies from the husband and mistress.   

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/17/chip-pickerings-wife-clai_n_237429.html

Regards, GL


  

[Goanet] Fr Cedric Prakash

[Cajetan Alvares]

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(Cajetan, if my memory serves me right (and forgive if it has failed me) but
weren't you the one who was chiding me for pointing out the ridiculousness
of Potta, especially the excorcisms?Can you tell us know how is this
different from the excorcism, healing sessions and other acts carried out
under the banner of faith at Potta?best,selma)
---
Your memory has served you right (I knew you would get at me some later
date, I have been to Potta before you to see the acting).
There is a big difference -- You have to see the broader picture.

Exorcism is spiritualsm without blood letting and no offering of virgins at
the high alter, plus it is voluntary activity on a person who is
psychologically trumatised, no forced labour or sacrificial offerings.

Just focing naked virgins to plough the field? It just doesn't end there.
Have you not heard about the 'Incas' of Peru?
I did write about this before, about Panjim blood sacrifice (JoeGoauk's
photos) but the moderaters curtailed my post.
"Human sacrifice", - and you want the journalist to be there taking pictures
(its just not going to happen).

What makes you say that the above will not take place after this naked
ritual and there is still no rain?
One has to see the broader picture and the consequences.
Caj.
(Selma, are you saying Potta is Paganism?)

[Goanet] WORLD GOA DAY - LEICESTER ........ its all about Sharing and Caring !

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WORLD GOA DAY - CELEBRATIONS - LEICESTER - UK


Goemkars and Friends !

I am delighted to inform you that the LEICESTER GOAN ASSOCIATION - LEICESTER , 
UK 
will be participating in this year' s WORLD GOA DAY celebrations. 

Ivonia Pereira , the Welfare Secretary writes in  * Sharing and Caring* LGA 
mailing list  
- that the WORLD GOA DAY  "bumper "  weekend will be as follows :

1st August, 2009 - Saturday - Mass at Sacred Heart Church - followed by an 
informal Get together

2nd August, 2009 - Sunday 

12-45 Lunch   ..

2pm  Tiatr * MUMMY MHAKA TUJE VENGENT DHOR * at the Y Theatre
 (YMCA ) 7 East Street , Leicester  LE1 6EY - 12.00 noon.

Licenced bar in operation. 


For details please visit WORLD GOA DAY BLOG : 
http://worldgoaday2009.blogspot.com/2009/07/world-goa-day-leicester.html

Sing along -  PROUD to be a GOAN  :
http://www.cynthiafernandes.com/Proud%20to%20be%20Goan.mp3
For words : 
http://worldgoaday2009.blogspot.com/2009/06/proud-to-be-goan-song_6196.html

 

rene barreto
WE Care , we Share ! 

WORLD  GOA DAY - A day set aside  to CELEBRATE our Goan  Cultural Heritage.
It is also  day when we promise to work TOGETHER .to put Unity into our 
commUNITY. 
==



  

[Goanet] ] Time and tide wait for no man, so do Panjim Rickshawalas and Motor-cycle Pilots..

[valley]

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It is a sad thing that is happening in Goa , but we have and are living with 
it. I say this because , I recently had a bad incident at Margao Kadamba 
bus stand. I was in a hurry and wanted to go by a two wheeler to Borda and 
asked the driver how much he would charge. He quoted me Rs. 50 / = It was 
exhorbitant and I started negotiating with him. Just then a non- goan comes 
up with a brief case and asked him to be taken to TVS show room at Borda and 
he again quoted him Rs. 50 /= .THE MAN GOT ONTO THE BIKE AND OFF HE WENT , 
LEAVING ME WITH A DIRTY SARCASTIC SMILE.


I felt ashamed of myself and walked it to my place within 15 mins. of 
walking distance. Where do we go from here and what do we do  There is 
no meter system in Goa and it the RAJ of the fittiest !


Val


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Time and tide wait for no man, so do Panjim Rickshawalas and Motor-cycle 
Pilots


JAGO GRAHAK JAGO

Should there be a rise in the petrol/diesel cost, poor Pvt Bus owners etc 
have to wait for months or years to get the same reflected in the bus 
fares.
It has to be approved by the Cabinet, then wait for official notification 
etc.


Although our Taxi –walas, Ricksaw walas and Motor-cycle pilot walas are 
also governed by the same RTO or RTA law, they wait for no one.
Every petrol price rise there is an always fare rise which is fixed by 
themselves.


In about 12 months, their charges increased by up to 67%
e.g. 12 months ago, motor cycle pilot charges from Bus stand to Miramar 
Beach was Rs.30.
then it gone up to 40 and now after the recent rise in the petrol, it is 
Rs.50

Those who were charge 25, now charge 30 and so on.

Again, Rickshaw were charging 40-50, then straight gone upto Rs.70 and now 
Rs.80-90

Minimum charges Rs.30-40

Even if you are a regular traveler, it is advisable to ask for the charges 
before you actually sit on/in it.

This is to avoid overcharging and arguments.

What the current official charges or tariff for two and three whelers?
Is there any such info on their website?

RTA or Transport minister, are you reading this?

Copy to Goacan, GT, H, goadesc

JAGO GRAHAK JAGO

On behalf of aggrieved citizens


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[Goanet] Goa hikes entry fees to casinos ten times

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Goa hikes entry fees to casinos ten times 

PANAJI: In a bid to dissuade youths from visiting off shore casinos, the
Goa Government on Friday increased its entry fees by ten times and also
hiked the fee to procure license to serve liquor on the floating
gambling houses. 

While the entry fee has gone up from Rs 200 to Rs 2,000, the license fee
has increased from Rs 25,000 to Rs 10,00,000. Presenting the additional
budget, Goa's Chief Minister, who also holds the Finance portfolio,
termed the decision to hike the entry fee as a step to discourage the
youths from falling prey to the lure of casinos. 

"Youth are the future of the state and we do not wish that they spend
their money in casinos and fall prey to the vices of gambling," he said.
Mr Kamat said the increased entry fee would add Rs 36.50 crore annually
to the state exchequer. 

The budget also proposed to increase the license processing fee for
retail sale of liquor on vessels or crafts used for the purpose of
gambling and having license for casino from Rs 25,000 to Rs 10,00,000. 

Goa has five off shore casinos in its waters which have come under
scanner time and again from several NGOs and Opposition members. The
Bharatiya Janata party, which had led a scathing attack on government
for allegedly patronising the casinos and demanding their closure, said
these measures would not dissuade youths from going to casinos. - PTI

 http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/blnus/27241820.htm

~(^^)~

Avelino

Re: [Goanet] Goanet] Goa's Secret Police Harass Rama Velip

[Ashley D'silva]

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Ref : Goa's Secret Police Harass Rama Velip

Nobody has bothered to reply . Why is it so? Are  Goa-netters really
interested in solving the problem or is it a coffee table discussion to show
that someone somewhere in the world is really interested in the welfare of
Goa? Platitudes are great but they don't serve the purpose..???
Ashley

-Original Message-
From: goanet-boun...@lists.goanet.org
[mailto:goanet-boun...@lists.goanet.org] On Behalf Of Samir Kelekar
Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 11:50 AM
To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
Subject: [Goanet] Goanet] Goa's Secret Police Harass Rama Velip


Ashley writes:
>Dear Goanetters,
>It's a shame that Rama Velip of Colamb village is being harassed. Can
Goanet
>do something for him.
>Ashley

Can we have Phaldessai's number ? We can definitely call him and ask him
under what law is he making midnight calls ?

If ten people call, it will surely have an effect.

samir



  

[Goanet] Daily Grook #476

[Francis Rodrigues]

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[Goanet] Missing coffee at Goa's Marliz in Margao

[Gabe Menezes]

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http://www.merinews.com/article/missing-coffee-at-goas-marliz-in-margao/15777065.shtml
   Missing coffee at Goa's Marliz in Margao Armstrong Vaz Sat, Jul
25, 2009 14:46:30 IST  THE CLOSED shutters of Marliz restaurant, once
Margao’s much sought-after eating hole and a meeting point for the Satiskars
(residents of Salcete taluka in the Indian state of Goa), points to yet
another grim story. A sad tale of yet another Goan enterprise folding up.
The place had become synonymous with the high and  mighty of Salcete as they
discussed the day’s hot stories over coffee while enjoying the fragrance and
greenery of the Margao Municipal garden.

Just as Mumbai’s once famous and now closed Bastani restaurant was a perfect
place for Goans to start their day, back home Satiskars craved for Marliz’s
coffee. If Basanti’s meat mince was once highly-prized by Goans, here in
Margao it was coffee which ruled the roost at Marliz. There are many stories
of marriage, business deals, jobs, career options and land deals woven
around Marliz. But the name Marliz, has a story of its own. Like the Taj
Mahal, here was a man inspired by love for his wife, to name his business
venture after her - Maria and Luiza; she died soon after its establishment.

For many Salcete residents,it was not only about having their first morning
coffee while reading newspapers here, it went much beyond that. Its ideal
location, a few meters away from the old Margao bus station, meant that it
drew customers from varied fields. It served as a link for many
professionals, teachers and government servants. It was a place where the
creamy layer of Salcete met over a cup of coffee. Having your morning coffee
at Marliz was just an excuse for the gossip-happy Goans to  make their way
to the restaurant. There were many items on the menu you could pick up for
your breakfast, but there were others which were not served by the Marliz
staff, but which came as  side “assortments”.

The morning newspapers had all the news that the Satiskars asked for. But
some craved for news which did not go into print – the untold stories of
affairs, bribery scandals, and more hot news. Its client base came from the
far-off villages of Cavelossim to Cansaulim, Curtorim to Cuncolim, Quepem to
Raia. Ask Assolna-based Panchayat Secretary Theophilo Almeida  or his
politician-cum-businessman friend John Baretto from Benaulim and they will
have numerous stories to tell, related as they were to Marliz. It was here
that land deals, engagement proposals, career options, job opportunities and
business options were discussed and fine-tuned.

If you wanted to bribe some government official then there were people to
guide you to that effect. The collector’s building was a stone's throw away
from Marliz. The high and mighty from the collector’s building came to
Marliz to have coffee. They needed the caffeine dose to give them the
adrenalin rush for their routine work. As college students, we sometimes ran
into our professors here. In the college canteens we did not have a chance
to share the same table with our teachers and have coffee. Here at Marliz we
did.   If the high and mighty strengthen their professional, social and
business links with their association with Marliz, there is another untold
story about Stanley Coutinho, a newspaper vendor, who did business from his
counter outside the restaurant, until the High Court decision to clear all
building passages led to his doom.

He was evicted from the place like many others during the late 90s, in a
drive enforced by the Margao Municipality follwing High Court orders. Others
who were evicted slowly returned to the place, but Coutinho lost in his
fight for survival. The high and mighty who were once so good to him, failed
to bail him out of the situation, leading Coutinho to shut his business
forever. His place has now been taken over by a non-Goan newspaper vendor
who sells newspapers from the foothpath, a few meters away from Marliz. Yet
another non-Goan doing business at the expense of a Goan. But the story of
Marliz has not being entirely wiped away from the Goan radar. Another sister
concern stills operates in the same building of Margao’s Grace church,
selling cakes and Goan sweets. Hope is round the c

[Goanet] Moira People Drink Toilet Water - Goa Will Follow

[augusto pinto]

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*The Health Officer PHC Aldona has instructed some residents of
Povacao Ward in Moira to refrain from using well water for human
consumption with immediate effect.* (PHCS/09-10/407 of 01/07/09).


The reason why  the wells of Povoacao Moira are not fit for drinking
is most almost certainly because septic tanks have leaked and polluted
the groundwater. Builders and contractors are responsible for this
apart from the authorities who should be regulating them.

These authorities are:

Goa State Pollution Control Board
Directorate of Health Services
Planning Authorities: the PDA /TCP
Local Authorities: Village Panchayats / Directorate of Panchayats
PWD : Public Health E /Water Resources Dept.

Goa State Pollution Control Board (GSPCB) has rules for the
prevention, control or abatement of pollution of streams and wells in
the State of Goa  (see - Extraordinary Gazette (Series I No. 50) dated
10th March 2000.) Obviously these are not being followed.

The reasons for this problem are:
1) Septic tanks are being built  that do not meet safety standards.
2) Building  societies in small plots of land add drastically to the
problem of ground water contamination.
3) Contractors flout all the rules of sanitation in the labour camps
that they erect at building sites.
4) Irresponsible contractors use heavy duty pumps to draw water from
the existing wells causing a fall in water levels of surrounding
wells. This makes the well water salty.

The Water Act, 1974 has made it  mandatory *that soak pits shall not
be permitted within 20 metres distance from any source of drinking
water?.* This condition is vital for the survival of a village like
Moira.

What happens in Moira must be happening in villages all over Goa. If
the Government does not take action then people all over Goa will have
to drink toilet water.

-- 


Augusto Pinto
40, Novo Portugal,
Moira, Bardez,
Goa, India
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P 0832-2470336
M 9881126350

Re: [Goanet] Fr Cedric Prakash

[Carvalho]

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--- On Sat, 7/25/09, Cajetan Alvares  wrote:

> Reply:
> Naked, unmarried girls plough the fields to embarrass the
> gods into sending
> rain (DNAIndia)
> http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_naked-unmarried-girls-plough-the-fields-to-embarrass-the-gods-into-sending-rain_1276802
> IS THIS THE RELIGION ALL INDIANS ARE TO FOLLOW?
> I suppose this is a better religious practice than the
> Christian one?
> Should they be allowed to carry on?
> If the Hindus are not prepared to correct them, should the
> Christians ignore
> them too?
> Is the 21st Century that you and I are living in?
> Caj
>--
Cajetan, if my memory serves me right (and forgive if it has failed me) but 
weren't you the one who was chiding me for pointing out the ridiculousness of 
Potta, especially the excorcisms?

Can you tell us know how is this different from the excorcism, healing sessions 
and other acts carried out under the banner of faith at Potta?

best,
selma


  

Re: [Goanet] Goa, Coconut Oil and Liberation Make-Believology!

[Gabe Menezes]

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2009/7/24 J. Colaco < jc> 

>
>
> My point was about the land of Coconut Oil i.e. Goa.
>
> Perhaps, Mario Goveia will show me the word "liberation" in the pdf
> reference he provided. Perhaps, he does not understand English.
>
> Now why go to the UN which Mario and those war-mongers do not
> recognise when it is inconvenient, Look at what the Indian Supreme
> Court had to say 12 years before Mario Soares and Yeshwant Chavan
> signed the 1974 accord.
>


RESPONSE: It is not true that the man does not recognize the U.N. When it
suits he quotes that Sadaam did not conform to the U.N's requirements. When
it suits the man gives short shrift to the BBC, Al Jazeera, the Times of
Londonequally when it suits he cuts and pastes freely from these august
institutions.


The man does not know the meaning of liberation fullstop.

Tell that to the 5 million displaced Iraqis, 2 million of whom are refugees
in Jordan and Syria; sure they are very very happy, if not estatic that they
have been 'liberated' by George Bush.

Tell that to the Hundreds of thousand of Christians who had to flee Iraq
because of the 'liberation'.

Equally tell that to the Goans who were not consulted after being
'liberated', whether they wished to be assimilated into India - heck at
least they didn't do the same to East Pakistan!

In short liberation, libation same thing for the 'it's Miller time' man.

DEV BOREM KORUM.

Gabe Menezes.
London.

[Goanet] Time and tide wait for no man, so do Panjim Rickshawalas and Motor-cycle Pilots..

[JoeGoaUk]

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   and is looking to buy land of approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs
   betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas

If you have land to sell, please contact:

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Time and tide wait for no man, so do Panjim Rickshawalas and Motor-cycle Pilots
 
 JAGO  GRAHAK  JAGO  
 
Should there be a rise in the petrol/diesel cost, poor Pvt Bus owners etc  have 
to wait for months or years to get the same reflected in the bus fares.
It has to be approved by the Cabinet, then wait for official notification etc.
 
Although our Taxi –walas, Ricksaw walas and Motor-cycle pilot walas  are also 
governed by the same RTO or RTA law, they wait for no one.
Every petrol price rise there is an always fare rise which is fixed by 
themselves.
 
In about 12 months, their charges increased by up to 67%
e.g. 12 months ago, motor cycle pilot charges from Bus stand to Miramar Beach 
was Rs.30.
then it gone up to 40 and now after the recent rise in the petrol, it is  Rs.50
Those who were charge 25, now charge 30 and so on.
 
Again, Rickshaw were charging 40-50, then straight gone upto Rs.70 and now 
Rs.80-90
Minimum charges Rs.30-40
 
Even if you are a regular traveler, it is advisable to ask for the charges 
before you actually sit on/in it.
This is to avoid overcharging and arguments.
 
What the current official charges or tariff for two and three whelers? 
Is there any such info on their website?
 
RTA or Transport minister, are you reading this?
 
Copy to Goacan, GT, H, goadesc
 
JAGO  GRAHAK  JAGO  
 
On behalf of aggrieved citizens 


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[Goanet] Fr Cedric Prakash

[Cajetan Alvares]

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 Santosh Helekar said:
Let us get to the bottom of this warped logic. How does one persuade someone
to convert to a new religion without telling them that their old religion is
worse than the new one? Any reasonable and practical person should
understand this logic.BTW, speaking out against any religion and its harmful
practices is an integral element in secularism. One of the harmful practices
is using one's religious identity and religion to gin up political
support.Cheers,Santosh
---
Reply:
Naked, unmarried girls plough the fields to embarrass the gods into sending
rain (DNAIndia)
http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_naked-unmarried-girls-plough-the-fields-to-embarrass-the-gods-into-sending-rain_1276802
IS THIS THE RELIGION ALL INDIANS ARE TO FOLLOW?
I suppose this is a better religious practice than the Christian one?
Should they be allowed to carry on?
If the Hindus are not prepared to correct them, should the Christians ignore
them too?
Is the 21st Century that you and I are living in?
Caj

[Goanet] Konkani-speaking People of Mumbai realizing need to Unite

[D'Souza, Avelino]

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   and is looking to buy land of approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs
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Konkani-speaking People of Mumbai realizing need to Unite

Mumbai, Jul 24: Goan Review Art Foundation (GRAF), in association with
Konkani Association-Mumbai (KAM), organized a Konkani seminar on
'Mumbointlea Konknneacho Ekvott Koso Zoddop?' and 'Mumbointle
Goenkarance Kudd ani Sonstha Koxeo Samballop?' on July 19, 2009 at  St
Sebastian Goan High School Hall, Dabul at 4.00 pm. 67 people attended
the seminar.

Fausto V da Costa, president of GRAF, commenced the seminar by
impressing upon the audience the need to get all the Konkani speaking
people of the metro together and the need to protect the Konkani
Associations and Clubs (Kudd) in Mumbai. 

General secretary of Konkani Bhasha Mandal, Maharashtra and Konkani
writer and activist  Lawrence D'Souza, Kamani, the main speaker of the
session said, "There are about 50 lac Konkani-speaking people in India
and about 12 lac in Mumbai alone. In the initial years of 19th century,
the people were mostly staying in the stretch between Colaba to Sion in
the east and up to Mahim in the west. Therefore, it was not difficult to
get the people together to attend functions and tiatrs, plays etc. Life
was good and people got time to meet. But now, the people have spread to
Dombivli and Mira Road. The life style has undergone a sea change.
Travelling has become tedious, particularly after a days hard work and
people look forward to relax after reaching home. The TV has further
made it attractive to stay at home to watch the programmes at leisure."

He then elaborated that Konkani language being spoken in different
states is now being written in their own script. As of now, Konkani is
being written in Roman, Devnagiri, Kannada, Malayalam and Urdu
(Persian/Arabic). He pointed out, that each area has adopted a number of
words from the local language into Konkani like Portuguese in Goa, Tulu
in Mangalore, Malayam in Kerala, Marati in Maharashtra etc. As a result
a dialect of any one area is not understood fully by all. He said, this
has been creating a major stumbling block in bringing all the
Konkani-speaking  people together. 

"In modern times we must particularly pay attention to the youth.
Now-a-days, the youths have become computer-savvy. We must use the
computer and the internet to propagate our language. One simple method
is to post difficult words one by one, giving details along with it,
like meaning, pronunciations etc. We have a platform in the form of
Konkani Basha Mandal, Maharashtra, to promote Konkani. This has been in
existence for the last 66 years and has had a chequered existence," he
explained. He pointed out that as of now, there are many Konkani
associations and named a few. However, there is no unity among the
Konkani-speaking people," he lamented.

He further reminded the audience that there is a big treasure of works
done in Konkani by our ancestors. "We must take advantage of this and go
forward irrespective of which state we belong to," he exhorted.

In conclusion, Fausto mooted the idea of forming a federation of all
Konkani associations in Mumbai. The activities of the associations could
then be controlled. He further explained that the Konkani Bhasha Mandal,
Maharashtra being the oldest Konkani institution in Mumbai having Goans,
Mangaloreans, Sawantwadis, Karwaris, Saraswats etc., as its members,
could act as the mother association to all the Konkani associations in
Mumbai. The second part was the registration of Goan Clubs. The
discussion proceeded with Fausto recollecting the discussions held
during the last seminar on March 29, 2009. One club reported that they
had a problem where the manager was not co-operating with the members by
not getting the original documents from an illegal occupant who was
forced to leave the premises. Members of that club were advised to call
for a general body meeting of the club and get a new manager elected and
also to file a police case that the documents of the club have been
illegally taken away. Another club had a problem of guest members trying
to take over the club and selling it. However, one senior member managed
to get the support from the village in Goa including a letter from the
Sarpanch, after which he got the members from Goa and held an election
and formed a new committee.

[Goanet] ST status: Gouly community DNA sent for testing

[D'Souza, Avelino]

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ST status: Gouly community DNA sent for testing

PANAJI: The DNA of the Gouly community of Goa has been sent to the
Centre for Cellular and Molecular Biology, Hyderabad for testing if it
qualifies for the central government's Scheduled Tribe status. The
social welfare department informed the assembly last week in a written
reply to a question tabled by the Quepem MLA Babu Kavlekar. 

The state government, informing about the status of the proposal for
grant of ST status to the Gouly or Dhangar community in Goa, stated that
an anthropological study report of the community in Goa is being done by
the Karnataka university, Dharwad and the same is awaited. 

While stating that the government is serious' about the proposal, the
reply states that the Karnataka university has informed that DNA
analysis report on the Gouly of Goa is awaited from Centre for Cellular
and Molecular Biology, Hyderabad. 

The reply states that after receipt of the report, the same will be
placed before the state government for decision and thereafter the same
will be submitted to the central government for appropriate decision.
Goa has around 19 other backward classes and demands for inclusion of
more communities keep pouring in. Initially, Gavdi, Kunbi, Velip and
Dhangar were the first communities to be included in the list of OBCs,
but recently the first three (Gavdi, Kunbi and Velip) have been included
in the list of Scheduled Tribes of Goa. 

They are considered the original settlers of Goa. The ST population is
said to be about 1.5 lakh while the OBCs comprise about 4 lakh. The
issue of granting the status of Scheduled Tribes to Gouly community, or
dhangars as they are referred to, has been hanging fire for some time.
The state government had originally proposed to include four
communities, Gavdi, Kunbis, Velips and Dhangars, but three communities
were accorded recognition recently. 

Inclusion of Dhangars or Goulis in ST list was opposed by some sections
on the ground that they are migrants from neighbouring state and not a
Goan tribe. However, some say that Portuguese records, which refer to
Goan people's life styles, indicate that they belong to Goa. Therefore,
research on the community has been undertaken to determine their status.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/NEWS/City/Goa/ST-status-Gouly-communi
ty-DNA-sent-for-testing/articleshow/4817911.cms

~(^^)~

Avelino

Re: [Goanet] Fr Cedric Prakash

[Santosh Helekar]

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   and is looking to buy land of approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs
   betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas

If you have land to sell, please contact:

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How interesting? The post appended below was apparently provided to educate me, 
and to refute my contention that people convert to a new religion because they 
come to believe or are told that their old religion is worse than their new 
one. The funny thing is that, not only does it provide random anecdotes that 
hilariously support my contention, but that it gives further insight into this 
type of unrelenting sectarian chauvinism that we see on Goanet in various 
disguises.

Here we are given cherry-picked examples of conversion from Hinduism, Islam, 
agnosticism and Anglicanism to Catholicism. All roads are selectively diverted 
to Rome, so to speak. Not even a single anecdotal case selected is of a 
conversion from Catholicism to something else. No prizes for guessing why.

But coming to my original point, nearly every single convert in the anecdotes 
below confirms, rather than refutes the essence of what I was saying. Each 
person clearly states or implies that his/her native religion was bad in some 
way, and definitely worse than the new religion of Catholicism which he/she 
converted to. I give below the relevant quotes:

"My grandfather, every bit the virtuous priest, had enormous influence over 
me..But even in my early, formative years I was unable to relate to the 
religion he fervently practiced. Later, in my school days, I once spent my 
summer holidays with him in Trichy. Memories of dawn walks with him, for the 
ritualistic dip in the Cauvery river, cow in tow, are still fresh in my memory. 
I learnt many shlokas, some of which I still remember. But I never understood 
any of it and none of it helped me connect with God."
.Anand Mahadevan

"It was during this period that I began carefully studying the Quran. However, 
I found I could not digest the teachings."
.Syed Ainul Hadeed

"I go for prayer meetings regularly and I have renounced all forms of idol 
worship."
..Rajeev Menon

"But my faith was shattered when I came across a verse in the Quran that 
prescribed corporal punishment for stubborn women. I was shockedI found 
Christianity a far more liberating religion."
..Salma Ali

"Every Thursday, we also prayed to Sai Baba. At least 150 devotees would turn 
up at our house for the prayer sessions. Frankly, I could not make any sense of 
the rituals and yearned for a relationship with a god I could talk to, a god 
who would listen to me when I spoke to him."
..Jaya Ramamurthy

Please also note the negative reason Muggeridge gave for converting to 
Catholicism:

"It was the Catholic Church's firm stand against contraception and abortion 
which finally made me decide to become a Catholic."
.Malcolm Muggeridge

Cheers,

Santosh

--- On Fri, 7/24/09, Marshall Mendonza  wrote:
>
> Response:
> I suggest you read the following testimonies to understand
> better.
> 
> http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?238770
> 
> http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?238771
> 
> You may also read Malcolm Muggeridge's book Conversion on
> the influence of
> Mother Teresa
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_Muggeridge
> 
> Also check Tony Blair's testimony whether he was told that
> his former
> religion was worse.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Marshall
>