date:20100312

--- On Fri, 3/12/10, Frederick Noronha  wrote:
>
> Here again, the leftovers of our religious assumptions come
> into play.
>

The above statement and the questions posed by Noronha tells me that either he 
has not understood what I have written, or he is once again making up his own 
narrative. Nothing I have said is prescribed by any religion in existence. 
Every statement of mine in this thread stems from three tenets of secular 
democracy, western as well as Indian. The three tenets are:

A. Separation of church and state.
B. Freedom of religion.
C. Freedom of expression.

No religion on earth has these assumptions. These are only found in modern 
secular democratic constitutions, particularly those of United States and 
India. Everything I have stated in this thread holds true in India as well as 
the west. Every single one of Noronha's questions has a trivial and/or obvious 
answer based on what I have written. 

But let me address each of them directly below:

>
> 1. Why should we be just discussing the burqa, when there
> are other dress codes considered inappropriate by members of a
> different community?
>

I mentioned burqa in response to Sandeep's reference to it. What is true of 
burqa is true of kashti. I have already stipulated that nobody can ban the 
kashti. Please see:

http://www.colaco.net/1/SantoshKashtidefence.htm

>
> 2. While giving permission, whose norms are to be accepted?
> (I.e. Churches and temples are not treated as "illegal" in the
> current discourse in Goa, but mosques are!)
>

The norms are established by the secular democratic constitution, and the local 
laws and ordinances. No religion or religious establishment can be favored or 
discriminated against in a secular democracy.

>
> 3. Is it logical for the State to lay down requirements which make it
> impossible for schools to run without government grants
> (e.g. the equal-pay-for-equal-work case in Goa), and then say they
> can't offer religious education if they accept government grants?
>

Yes. In a secular democracy, the state cannot establish or support any religion 
or religious activity with public funds.

>
> 4. Who decides what is "personal or public harm"?
>

In a secular democracy, the courts, the legislature and the voting public, 
through elections and referendums, decide.

>
> 5. Shouldn't criticism be sensitive and avoid situations
> which cause public riots and affray? 
>

Who decides what is sensitive and insensitive, and on what basis? Should the 
practice of casteism or exorcism on epileptics not be criticized because such 
criticism might be offensive to some people, and cause them to riot? 

>
>Is the artistic freedom of a Hussein more crucial than disallowing 
>>communalism to be stoked needlessly?
>

Who decides what are the limits of artistic freedom, and what basis? Who 
decides what the threshold is for stoking communalism, and what basis?

>
> 6. Why would anyone want to/need to "oppose" someone else's
> views?
>

Because when these views are expressed in public they may mislead or misinform 
the public about important issues, or they may cause harm to individuals and 
the public at large. For example, the belief that one should apply cowdung to 
an infant's cut umbilical cord.

>
> Don't people have the right to decide for themselves as to
> what views they wish to hold, however ludicrous these may seem to
> "us"?
>

Yes. Please see my quote from the previous post below:

QUOTE
In a secular democracy with full rights and liberties, one ought to be
free to do the following:
.
4. Hold unscientific, irrational, absurd and/or weird beliefs, as long
as they do not cause personal or public harm, or infringe on the
rights, freedoms and privileges of others.
UNQUOTE
.Santosh Helekar

>
> 8. Why dissuade? Don't people have the right to decide for
> themselves?
>

Dissuade because people have the right to decide for themselves. In a secular 
democracy, if people want to dissuade, they should be free to dissuade, just as 
they should be free to persuade, if they want to persuade.

Cheers,

Santosh

[Goanet] More Tiatrists on Facebook (Sharon, Cajetan, Sylvester, Elvis)

More Tiatrists on Facebook 
 
After Luis Bachaan, here are some more
 
 
Sharon Mazarello (Wilmix)
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?v=info&id=10543217813#!/profile.php?v=info&id=10496878906
 
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HO-UDNNufJk
 

Elvis Mascarenhas
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?v=info&id=10543217813#!/profile.php?id=10423130479
pic
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tiatr/3552648216/
 
 
Sylvester Vaz
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?v=info&id=10543217813#!/profile.php?id=700721684
pic
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk-tiatr2/3843838131/
 
 
Cajetan de Sanvordem
http://www.facebook.com/joegoauk?ref=name#!/profile.php?v=info&ref=mf&id=10882854522
or
http://www.facebook.com/joegoauk?ref=name#!/profile.php?v=wall&ref=mf&id=10882854522
 
pic
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[Goanet] Talking Photos: Old Goa & Cansaulim

Talking Photos: Old Goa & Cansaulim
 
Bom Jesus Basilica (1605)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukchurches2/4422956530/sizes/l/
With the cross in front
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukchurches2/4422190015/sizes/l/

Convent at Boa Vista where Bl Joseph Vaz  resided
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukchurches2/4422953900/sizes/l/
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external
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukchurches2/4381018347/sizes/l/

St. Francis Xavier/ Silver casket
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukchurches2/4422953156/sizes/l/
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Cansaulim Church 1581
St. Thomas
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukchurches2/4409960737/sizes/l/

With School
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk24/4410731054/sizes/l/


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[Goanet] Adeus korchea vellar...

Adeus korchea vellar...

Check this version:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iBj0Of_5Ns

Thanks to jam_pere...@hotmail.com for sending across the link

ABOUT: Fadistas pay tribute to the people of Goa by singing mandó,
Goan traditional music. In an adaptation for Portuguese written for
Manuel Bobone, and with participation of Sónia Sirshat, the fadista…

Sung by the prettiest voice to follow Amália: Maria Ana Bobone
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iBj0Of_5Ns

FN

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Re: [Goanet] 'Khawateen cant discard purdah for politics'

It looks like Sandeep and I agree on all issues below, except one. The only
point on which I disagree with him is on the freedom to impart and seek 
peaceful religious education through private schools and institutions that are 
not supported by tax payer money. I submit that in a secular democracy the 
state has no right to ban any kind of private education, as long as it does not 
promote violence, cause public harm, or cause personal physical harm.

Cheers,

Santosh

--- On Fri, 3/12/10, Sandeep Heble  wrote:
>
> Let me respond to each of the points
> made by Santosh:
> 
> In a secular democracy with full rights and liberties, one
> ought to be
> free to do the following:
> 
>  1.       Voluntarily wear the
> burqa.
> 
> I agree but presently the Islamic society is allowing only
> a one-sided
> propaganda which is what I strongly object to. Those who
> criticize the
> burqa must be allowed to air their views with the same
> freedom that
> those who support the burqa have. A woman may then decide
> for herself
> what is right and wrong for her.
> 
>  2.       Use loudspeakers with
> the permission of the local community
> and authorities.
> 
> What I am opposed to is the persistent and day-to-day use
> of
> Loudspeakers by religious institutions which is hazardous
> to the
> health of the nearby residents and disturbs their Peace
> and
> tranquility. The right to live in peace is a fundamental
> right and the
> use of blaring loudspeakers directly violates this right.
> Concessions
> may however be given by the State to Religious Institutions
> on Festive
> occasions.
> 
> 3.       Impart religious
> education in private schools, not supported
> by tax payer or public funds.
> 
> In my opinion, it is the fundamental duty of the State to
> ensure that
> every child receives modern scientific education and grows
> up learning
> concepts of freedom, liberty, equality and secularism.
> Religious
> education, which violates these cherished principles, must
> be
> disallowed.
> 
>  4.       Hold unscientific,
> irrational, absurd and/or weird beliefs,
> as long as they do not cause personal or public harm, or
> infringe on
> the rights, freedoms and privileges of others.
> 
> I agree entirely. I am not proposing a ban on God and
> Religion :- )
> 
> 5.       Peacefully oppose or
> complain about criticism by others of
> their religious views.
> 
> I agree. It is the violence that I am opposed to and
> strongly condemn.
> 
> 6.       Criticize or peacefully
> oppose religion and religious views,
> or irreligiosity and irreligious views.
> 
> I agree entirely. However, criticism of religion often ends
> up getting
> messy with the adherents of religion resorting to the
> politics of
> threats, intimidation and violence. This is my principal
> grouse
> against religion and its adherents.
> 
> 7.       Peacefully convert others
> to one's own religion or irreligiousness.
> 
> I am ok with Conversion so long as it is not done by force,
> fraud or allurement.
> 
> 8.     Peacefully dissuade others from
> converting to a different religion
> or to irreligiousness.
> 
> Yes, so long as this too is not done by force, fraud or
> allurement.
> 
> Cheers,
> Sandeep
>

[Goanet] M F Hussain saint or sinner

2010-03-12 Thread anil desai

Marshall wrote:

Freedom of Speech or expression is not absolute. It is restricted and
contained by the conditions around us. That is why Tendulkar and Gavaskar
cannot speak freely on certain issues in Bombay. That is why Karan Johar,
Amitabh Bachhan, Shah Rukh Khan and other artistes have to obtain
'clearances' even after receiving the Censor's certificate before their
films can be shown.

Response:

Yet again, Marshall shows his true colours.In his philosophical arguments,
only example he cas find is that of Shivsena and MNS.
Why does he find it so difficult to condemn the violence unleashed against
Culvert in Colva or the treatment meted out to Tasleema Nasreen.
Is he himself a religious extremist, a wolfe in sheep's clothing?

About freedom of expression: It should be exercised with responsibility.

Anil Desai

Re: [Goanet] 'Khawateen cant discard purdah for politics'

"Secular" and "democracy" means different things to different people.
Indian secularism is a different animal from the Western European one.
The West fumed when East Germany chose to call itself the German
*Democratic* Republic. The US sees itself as one big demoracy, and
India claims to be the "largest democracy in the world" (though the
Americans are quick to change that terminology to the "most populous
democracy in the world" for obvious reasons!)

1. Why should we be just discussing the burqa, when there are other
dress codes considered inappropriate by members of a different
community?
2. While giving permission, whose norms are to be accepted? (I.e.
Churches and temples are not treated as "illegal" in the current
discourse in Goa, but mosques are!)
3. Is it logical for the State to lay down requirements which make it
impossible for schools to run without government grants (e.g. the
equal-pay-for-equal-work case in Goa), and then say they can't offer
religious education if they accept government grants?
4. Who decides what is "personal or public harm"?
5. Shouldn't criticism be sensitive and avoid situations which cause
public riots and affray? Is the artistic freedom of a Hussein more
crucial than disallowing communalism to be stoked needlessly?
6. Why would anyone want to/need to "oppose" someone else's views?
Don't people have the right to decide for themselves as to what views
they wish to hold, however ludicrous these may seem to "us"?
7. It depends which religious tradition one belongs to, and the
attitude of that religious tradition towards conversion. Some
religions do not allow conversions, others do not see the need for it,
while yet others adopt an embrace-and-extend policy on conversions.
Semetic religions tend to be of the proselytising kind. Attitudes
would depend on whose point of view carries weight in which part of
the world.
8. Why dissuade? Don't people have the right to decide for themselves?
Here again, the leftovers of our religious assumptions come into play.
FN

On 12 March 2010 20:09, Santosh Helekar  wrote:
> In a secular democracy with full rights and liberties, one ought to be
> free to do the following:
> 1. Voluntarily wear the burqa.
> 2. Use loudspeakers with the permission of the local community and 
> authorities.
> 3. Impart religious education in private schools, not supported by tax
> payer or public funds.
> 4. Hold unscientific, irrational, absurd and/or weird beliefs, as long
> as they do not cause personal or public harm, or infringe on the
> rights, freedoms and privileges of others.
> 5. Peacefully oppose or complain about criticism by others of their
> religious views.
> 6. Criticize or peacefully oppose religion and religious views, or
> irreligiosity and irreligious views.
> 7. Peacefully convert others to one's own religion or irreligiousness.
> 8. Peacefully dissuade others from converting to a different religion
> or to irreligiousness.

Re: [Goanet] 'Khawateen cant discard purdah for politics'

Sandeep, I see your "solutions" and point of view as being centered
around a perspective which you accept as "normal". That's the problem
with all of us on such issues. We let our own point of view decide
what is the norm, and then go about applying it to everyone! FN

PS: Is there some mischief behind Tasleema's article, or is the author
backtracking (see comments below the article)?
http://www.twocircles.net/2010mar02/never_wrote_any_kannada_daily_says_taslima.html

Sandeep Heble wrote:

> 
> I endorse Taslima Nasreen’s views on the burqa
> (http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?233670 ) and I fully share
> her concerns. I strongly condemn the violence that is being
> perpetrated against her by extremist elements and I also unequivocally
> condemn the Political parties (which include the Congress, the BJP,
> the Left and others) for adopting double standards and for failing to
> protect our Artists, writers and other creative and cultural
> practitioners

[Goanet] M F Hussein: Saint or sinner?

2010-03-12 Thread Samir Kelekar

>Accusing an artist of hypocrisy for creating something based on his/her own 
>likes and dislikes is pointless and silly. The essence of any art is artistic 
>freedom. An artist is free to create anything he fancies or fantasizes about. 
>Nobody can tell him what to create and what not to create. All one can do is 
>not buy his art.

Cheers,

>Santosh

To the extent that an artist is a citizen, a human being,
a thinking person, certain questions are not silly.
In fact, it is silly of Hussein to draw only Hindu Goddesses,
and not others, hiding behind something called tradition as
justification. In fact, I am questioning if Hussein's justification
for only drawing Hindu Goddesses came from him as an artist
or had something else to do with it, because it definitely
is unreasonable. 

But then, I am not saying he has done anything illegal. After
all, one can justify anything if one wants to.

Didnt Clinton justify --- "I smoked but did not inhale".

regards,
Samir

[Goanet] Don't ride two-wheeler topless in Goa(State tourism dept.)

2010-03-12 Thread Mauricio Pereira


 The Goa government has asked foreign tourists visiting the coastal state to be 
dressed appropriately, especially while driving a two wheeler. 

"Never ride a two-wheeler without clothes on the upper part of the body" says 
an advisory issued by the state tourism department. 

In what seems to be a fall out of recent statements by local politicians 
condemning skimpy dressing by foreigners, the tourism department has come out 
with 'Dos' and Don'ts for the visitors. 

The booklet is printed in English and Russian. Of the four lakh foreigners 
visiting Goa annually, the British and Russians top the chart followed by 
Germans. 

Recommending a dress code, the department has said that while the Goan attitude 
to informal European styles of dress is generally tolerant, local religious or 
other sensibilities should be borne in mind. 

"If in doubt take local advice especially with regard to topless bathing. 
Nudity on beaches and public places is strictly forbidden," the guidelines, 
which are made available through tourist counters and hotels, read. 

Goa MP Shantaram Naik recently had alleged that scantily clad Russians were 
corrupting the locals. State Tourism Director Swapnil Naik said that the pocket 
booklet aims at educating the tourists. 

"In America, even if you apply for visa they give you such booklets," he said. 

The booklet, distributed free of cost, also mentions that riding without helmet 
is an offence 
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Re: [Goanet] 'Khawateen cant discard purdah for politics'

2010-03-12 Thread Sandeep Heble

Let me respond to each of the points made by Santosh:

In a secular democracy with full rights and liberties, one ought to be
free to do the following:

 1.   Voluntarily wear the burqa.

I agree but presently the Islamic society is allowing only a one-sided
propaganda which is what I strongly object to. Those who criticize the
burqa must be allowed to air their views with the same freedom that
those who support the burqa have. A woman may then decide for herself
what is right and wrong for her.

 2.   Use loudspeakers with the permission of the local community
and authorities.

What I am opposed to is the persistent and day-to-day use of
Loudspeakers by religious institutions which is hazardous to the
health of the nearby residents and disturbs their Peace and
tranquility. The right to live in peace is a fundamental right and the
use of blaring loudspeakers directly violates this right. Concessions
may however be given by the State to Religious Institutions on Festive
occasions.

3.   Impart religious education in private schools, not supported
by tax payer or public funds.

In my opinion, it is the fundamental duty of the State to ensure that
every child receives modern scientific education and grows up learning
concepts of freedom, liberty, equality and secularism. Religious
education, which violates these cherished principles, must be
disallowed.

 4.   Hold unscientific, irrational, absurd and/or weird beliefs,
as long as they do not cause personal or public harm, or infringe on
the rights, freedoms and privileges of others.

I agree entirely. I am not proposing a ban on God and Religion :- )

5.   Peacefully oppose or complain about criticism by others of
their religious views.

I agree. It is the violence that I am opposed to and strongly condemn.

6.   Criticize or peacefully oppose religion and religious views,
or irreligiosity and irreligious views.

I agree entirely. However, criticism of religion often ends up getting
messy with the adherents of religion resorting to the politics of
threats, intimidation and violence. This is my principal grouse
against religion and its adherents.

7.   Peacefully convert others to one's own religion or irreligiousness.

I am ok with Conversion so long as it is not done by force, fraud or allurement.

8.  Peacefully dissuade others from converting to a different religion
or to irreligiousness.

Yes, so long as this too is not done by force, fraud or allurement.

Cheers,
Sandeep

[Goanet] M.F.Hussain

2010-03-12 Thread Vasant Baliga


1.M.F.Hussain is neither a saint nor a sinner,but an  artist who has chosen 
Qatar for business reasons.
He spelled it out himself-

 
March 3, 2010: M.F. Husain speaks to NDTV:"If I were 40 years old, I would have 
fought them tooth and nail...but now I need to concentrate and need all the 
comforts...  I never said that India rejected me... It was largely a practical 
decision ... I would have had to become an NRI.. sponsors... taxes... etc"
So he did not want to pay taxes!
 
2.As far as Hinduism and Hussain are concerned-Some people have been  trying to 
compare his art with the sculptures on Hindu Temples. The Khajuraho temples do 
not contain sexual or erotic art inside the temple or near the deities- 
however, some external carvings bear erotic art. They portray that, for seeing 
the deity, one must leave his or her sexual desires outside the temple. A 
common misconception is that, since the old structures with carvings in 
Khajuraho are temples, the carvings depict sex between deities.
 
The spiritual guru,Sri Sri Ravi Shankar of Art of Living and a great proponent 
and frequent participant of inter faith dialogue had this to say on Hussain and 
his paintings-
 
 "While India has a policy of free expression, one cannot accept blatant insult 
to the heroes of its land. It is the intention behind a man's creativity which 
is questionable," 

"In one of Husain's paintings of Mahatma Gandhi, Karl Marx, Albert Einstein and 
Hitler, he painted only Hitler nude and said that his way of humiliating a 
person is to paint him nude.

"No one has ever sculpted Rama and Sita as nude. Creative expression is always 
welcome. No country has been as liberal as India... Any nude woman could have 
been painted by him but calling the women Sita, Lakshmi (and) Saraswati shows 
his perversion and hatred."
 
"Will MF Husain show the same creativity and the same spirit with Islamic 
heroes and would he, then, be able retain his Qatari citizenship? Double 
standards, bias and hatred do not go well with men of excellence."

 
3.And as far as his decision to embrace Qatar is concerned,Vir Sanghvi,a strong 
supporter of Hussain expressed it very well-
 
So, it looks like it is goodbye to India for MF Husain. His son Owais has 
confirmed that Husain will surrender his Indian passport and accept citizenship 
of Qatar. The other stories have yet to be confirmed: that Husain has already 
begun travelling on a Qatari passport; that the Qatar royal family will spend 
millions on a museum for him etc.  

 
   All of us who like and admire Husain, both as an artist and as a human 
being, will be saddened by the turn that events have taken. There is no doubt 
that self-proclaimed defenders of Hinduism have behaved like the Taliban in 
persecuting this great artist. In Ahmedabad, a gallery dedicated to his work 
was vandalized. In other cities, those who dare organize exhibitions of 
Husain’s art have been subjected to threats of violence.
  
   And then, there are the legal cases. According to some estimates 900 cases 
were filed against Husain all over the country so that he would have to spend 
his time going from court to court, fighting off the nuisance litigators. 
  
   What is more worrying is that even after the Congress took office six years 
ago, the harassment continued.  You would have expected a political party which 
says that it is committed to secularism and freedom of expression to have 
declared that it would bring Husain back from his self-imposed exile in Dubai 
and make sure that he gets the protection he deserves in his homeland. Instead, 
till a few months ago, the government turned a blind eye to the persecution of 
our greatest living artist. 
  
   But Husain’s decision to become a citizen of Qatar also saddens me for many 
other reasons. Most of us in the media have looked at the Husain case through 
the prism of freedom of expression. As far as we are concerned, the issue is 
one of artistic liberty. 
  
   But there are also other ways of looking at the case. Forget, for a minute 
about the Hindu Taliban or the vandals who drove Husain out of India. Try 
looking at the Husain saga through the prism of secular double standards. 
  
   Our position as liberals is that an artist has the freedom to paint what he 
likes. If some Hindus are offended by Husain’s nude Saraswatis, then they can 
simply look away. They have no right to restrict his creativity or to deny the 
rest of us the opportunity to view Husain’s work. 
  
   But sceptics (all of whom are not necessarily Muslim-haters or communalists) 
frequently ask the obvious follow-up question: how would we have responded if 
Husain had painted Muslim religious figures in the nude? 
  
   The answer is an uncomfortable one. Even if he had painted the Prophet, 
fully clothed and portrayed with respect. we would not have risen to Husain’s 
defence with the same vigour.  We would have said “Islam prohibits visual 
representations of the Prophet so Husain shou

Re: [Goanet] M F Hussain Saint or sinner?

Accusing an artist of hypocrisy for creating something based on his/her own 
likes and dislikes is pointless and silly. The essence of any art is artistic 
freedom. An artist is free to create anything he fancies or fantasizes about. 
Nobody can tell him what to create and what not to create. All one can do is 
not buy his art.

Cheers,

Santosh

--- On Fri, 3/12/10, Samir Kelekar  wrote:
> 
> Good point. Further, Sandeep's argument saying Hussein
> painted
> Hindu Goddesses nude because of the tradition in the Hindu
> religion,
> while he didnt do the equivalent because of lack of
> tradition in 
> Islam is in direct contradiction to the argument that his
> drawings
> are creative.
> 
> Creativity being an unfettered thing is completed out of
> tune
> with maintaining traditions. The essence of creativity is
> breaking
> away from traditions.
> 
> In other words, the above is just a cop-out argument of
> Hussein's.
> It is very likely that if he imagines Hindu Goddesses nude,
> he
> would be imagining the Muslim godddesses or equivalent nude
> too,
> and if he is true to himself, he should draw those too.
> 
> Just shows the hypocrisy of the man, and also of his
> defenders.
> 
> regards,
> Samir
>

[Goanet] M F Hussain : saint or sinner?

2010-03-12 Thread Samir Kelekar

Sandeep article on M F Hussain is a height of hypocrisy. While
Sandeep calls the saga of Hussain 
a
cruel reflection of our times and our society’s growing Intolerance."
Sandeep has no comment on what Hussain's obligation to his own
religion is.

Sandeep calls opposition to Hussain's painting as a sign of
barbarism, however, he has no hassle in justifying the barbarism
in say Islam where he casually attributes
 it to the fact that it is part of
the Muslim religion, or it is part of their tradition.

Any thinking person -- be it Sandeep or Hussain or Marshall
--- ought to ask the
fundamental question --- if I can do such paintings of the
Hindu Gods or Goddesses, why cant I do it in my own religion ?


And if I can't do it, what is the reason ? Can one justify
the barbaric status of one religion saying it is tradition, while at the same 
time talk
about "freedom of speech" when another religion is concerned ?

These double standards are very obvious to any neutral observer.

One needs to see how these so called defenders of "secularism"
go running with their tail between their legs when Tasleema
Nasreen is attacked by the Muslims. For heaven's sake,
dont call yourself secular at least. You are disgracing
that good word.

Freedom of expression is
not a right that applies only selectively or as per convenience.

There is a limit to how much of a tunnel vision one can have.
Yes, the protestors are taking Hinduism to "dark ages"; if 
succesful, Hinduism will then become like Islam which is
still in the dark ages, and then presumably Sandeep and Marshall
will have
no problems with it!

regards,
Samir

[Goanet] Eustace Fernandes R.I.P.

2010-03-12 Thread Vasant Baliga

Dear Friends,
Eustace Fernandes,who created the Amul Ads passed away today after a long 
illness,patiently borne.He was a good friend and a generous soul.
He was a great Goan and constantly helped the church.As he finally heads 
home,let us pray for him.
Regards
Vasant Baliga
http://www.campaignindia.in/news/2010/03/11/eustace-fernandes-a-journalist-remembers

Re: [Goanet] Patritoism was guiding force...

2010-03-12 Thread Alfred de Tavares


Was'nt it Clemens/MT who explained? Politics is
the last refuge politicians...each & all of them
devils devoutly proclaiming their cannonizable 
qualities?

Alfred de T

> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 04:23:02 +
> From: ole_...@yahoo.co.uk
> To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
> Subject: [Goanet] Patritoism was guiding force...
> 
> I am not sure what patriotism Thai is talking about. Today sectarism still 
> prevails in Goa's so called 'democracy'. The ill effects of Land to the 
> Tiller are well known. The shunting of Concani and spread of poor quality of 
> English language in schools are all the good things that Goans are faced with.
> 
> BC
> 
> 
> 
> Patriotism was guiding force for Bhau to run Goa:
> Shashikala
> Patriotism was guiding force for Bhau to run Goa: Shashikala
> PANAJI: The former chief minister, Ms Shashikala Kakodkar, remembering 
> her legendary father, late Bhausaheb alias D B Bandodkar on the eve of 
> the commencement of his birth centenary celebrations said that 
> patriotism was the guiding force for Bhau to run Goa.
> 
> ?Bhau was never a politician by choice, but the situation that prevailed 
> during the post-Liberation period, including unanimous decision of the 
> Maharashtrawadi Gomantak Party leaders, forced him to head the state 
> administration,? she recalled, observing that even though her father was 
> not a statesman, he stood by his decisions and ensured that they were 
> implemented in true spirit, for the benefit of the masses. ?Two of his 
> radical decisions were opening Marathi medium schools in nook and corner 
> of Goa, and bringing land reforms in the region,? Ms Kakodkar stated, 
> pointing out that Bhau was totally unimpressed with the British system 
> of education, which was adopted by the independent India, and was of the 
> opinion that basic education in Marathi and Konkani as well as Urdu 
> language, if the students existed, would not only link the children to 
> their culture and tradition but also build their national character.
> 
> 
>   
  
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Re: [Goanet] Goa For sale Advertisement saving Goa

2010-03-12 Thread Pandu Lampiao

I say  real nice. I say make it quick, lets be done with the sale of Goa.

Please forward the spam to 20 other folks like a cha*n letter.Whats
wrong with selling. Price of property in Mississauga is cheaper than
some hot villages, like Moira, Aldona, Assagao, Raia, Benaulim no.
Everything is 80 L or above. Can you afford? You could try smug*ling
but you need to invest in a boat for dat!  If you have it (property),
isn't it better to sell and move some place else,like Sawantwadi? Make
some jambul wine and grow chickens!

Like the saffron clad former CM prophetically said, Goichis would be
living in the slums. They are. Come visit Zuarinagar or Shanti Nagar,
as you are going towards Velsao (old road), to your left Concani
works there, ain't going to work in Dona Paula I would think? Then if
you still in your senses (that place sti*ks), swing left at the
junction, to Titan, then head towards Margao from Kesarwaltake the
old road through Nagao, Verna (best time,evening). Stop at a tavern,
and order a shot of feniyour Cannad, Telegu or Bihari lessons may
come handy. That is your typical Goan village today!

Did you ask for this change? Do you want this change? Can you live
with this change? Its very late to ask these questions now.

Goi is too far gone down the slippery slide and there ain't the
minutest chance to save or attempt to save. Save what? Be realistic
now, have an urrak (you may not get it next season) and take a look
around, maybe ride the Kadamba to a few places, look and take a moment
to reflect. Do you think there is going to be an improvement? Dream
on, mostly about the old days, that may ease your blood pressure.

Then on another day (if you have the time, and have sufficiently
recovered from the urrak hangover- the urrak was spurious huh?), go to
a politicians house, and hang around, wait in a queue if you see one.
You'll be surprised. Please, please, don't wink at the politicians
wife, you may get __. When you see the politician, do touch
his feet, maybe bite off his toe (someone did this to a saint once, so
you may use that in your defence)..and then ask yourself.what
is this rascal capable of? Ofcourse remember, you are a bigger rascal
for voting him in, don't say that aloud- the neighbours may hear.

Just a small tit-bit.there are the Goichi rich (not involved
directly in politics) who have bought whole villages (all in one
district of another state) because they seem know there ain't any hope
and they think they have a pretty hot investment and a safe haven on
their hand (no I ain't saying where though).

Yo Mervyn, remember the doddering uncle with the walking stick who was
determined to save Calangute when he returned (he didn't say when)? Do
you think we should  send him some bus tickets and play his age as a
matka number?

For most Goichis, crowding round the matka outpost is the only hope to
a slightly decent life, of financial windfall, a drink of
urrak...maybe, the only hope at all.

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[Goanet] Update: You can be a part of Goan history

2010-03-12 Thread George Pinto

Konkani filmbook: Seeking sponsors
Hurry, deadline is this Sunday, March 14, 2010

Something outstanding is happening in the Goan community. An appeal to help a 
Goan writer publish a book on 31 Konkani celluloid films to date (some Konkani 
films from Managalore), has resulted in generous sponsors reaching out 
financially to help get the book published. 

>From Goa to Mumbai to Dubai to Toronto to Austin to California, sponsors have 
>come forward to help. This community effort should make every Goan proud. Your 
>message is clear - YES WE CAN! Some have donated in memory of a loved one, all 
>have donated with kindness and generous spirit to make sure this valuable book 
>gets published. If you have not donated as a sponsor, do it now, do it for 
>Goa. Be a part of Goan history. We owe our children and grandchildren Goan 
>history (in this case Konkani film history).

Author Isidore Dantas' book in Romi Konkani script on Konkani films is a 
monumental effort and treasure trove of valuable information covering all 31 
celluloid Konkani films made to date (music, songs, actors/actresses, etc.). A 
scholarly and well-researched book which belongs in every Goan household, this 
book is destined to be a classic. You might be surprised that the names of 
people in the book might include some of your own family
members/relatives going back to the early days of Konkani films.

The book is yet to be published given the challenge of the traditional
model to sell Goans books (they are rarely profitable which discourages
Goan authors from publishing). As a means to be creative and innovative to make 
the publishing model work and to make this a community effort, I am appealing 
to the larger public to help with funds for publishing the book. If any one is 
willing to donate to the publishing costs in any amount in excess of US $100, 
their name will be listed as a sponsor in the book in a tasteful manner. Or you 
could donate in the name of your parents, grandparents (in memoriam if 
necessary). This way your association with such an iconic classic and legendary 
book will be there for posterity.

Please email me at georgejpi...@yahoo.com and let me know. The deadline for 
Sponsorship has been extended to Sunday, March 14, 2010 since a couple of 
people just got the appeal and would like a few more days to respond.

Thank you.

George
___

ISIDORE DANTAS - brief profile:
I have been writing to Konkani magazines from the age of eleven. At
present I am 62. I have contributed to Aitarachem Vachop, Udentechem
Nekhetr, Vauraddeancho Ixtt, Sot, Divtti,. The Goan Sports Weekly,
Gulab, Poddbimb. I now regularly write for Jivit in Roman script and for
Uzvadd in Devnagri script. Whenever time permits I contribute to Goa
Today, Gomantak Times and Sunaparant. My first book on Konkani proverbs
was released in September 2007 entitled Vozram-a treasure trove of
Konkani adages with English interpretation at the hands of the Goa Chief
Minister. In October 2008, I was awarded the Al Jerry Braganza Award for
the work on Konkani films again at the hands of Goa CM. Besides this, I
regularly contribute to Akashwani, Mumbai. I have also written the
sub-titles for the Konkani film DVD Bhuianrantlo Monis.

The research work on celluloid Konkani films which I now wish to publish
consists of about 300 pages with about 250 photographs. It comprises of
information on all 31 Konkani celluloid films produced so far in Goa,
Karnataka and Maharashtra. It includes Black... produced in Kuwait and
also the latest Poltoddcho Monis which won award at the Toronto
Festival. The book contains 101 songs out of which 85 are with music
notes. The book also consists of a chapter on Konkani people who have
contributed to Bollywood.

[Goanet] 'Khawateen cant discard purdah for politics'

2010-03-12 Thread Marshall Mendonza

Samir
With extremists and fundamentalists from both sides feeding on each other,
it is those who are caught in the middle who are the victims. Unfortunately,
we seem to have begun to accept that two wrongs make a right. We also seem
to suffer from an inferiority complex that we always seem to compare
ourselves with the lowest common denominator and benchmark ourselves and our
values against what is lower than ours rather than what is superior or ideal
for us. No wonder all our resources and economic gains are frittered away in
destructive activities.

In a lighter vein, your question to Sandeep and me reminds me of an anecdote
that I read. Khrushchev had just succeeded Stalin and was addressing the
General Assembly for the first time. He criticised Stalin severely,
denounced him and found upteen faults with his policies. At which point
someone from the audience interrupted his speech by shouting out loudly
'what were you doing when all this was going on?' There was a stunned
silence. No one knew what to expect next. Khrushchev, himself was taken
off-guard and lost his composure. After a while, he composed himself, and
looking in the direction from where the voice came, asked 'will the
gentleman who said that kindly stand up and introduce himself?' There
followed a pin drop silence. Khrushchev repeated his question once again,
only to be followed by deafening silence. He then said ' I was doing exactly
what this gentleman is doing now'. He then went on to complete his speech.

Freedom of Speech or expression is not absolute. It is restricted and
contained by the conditions around us. That is why Tendulkar and Gavaskar
cannot speak freely on certain issues in Bombay. That is why Karan Johar,
Amitabh Bachhan, Shah Rukh Khan and other artistes have to obtain
'clearances' even after receiving the Censor's certificate before their
films can be shown.

Regards,

Marshall

[Goanet] M F Hussain Saint or sinner?

2010-03-12 Thread Samir Kelekar

Anil Desai writes:
>Or is there no tradition
amongst Indian pseudo secularists of being critical towards non-hindu
>extremists?

Good point. Further, Sandeep's argument saying Hussein painted
Hindu Goddesses nude because of the tradition in the Hindu religion,
while he didnt do the equivalent because of lack of tradition in 
Islam is in direct contradiction to the argument that his drawings
are creative.

Creativity being an unfettered thing is completed out of tune
with maintaining traditions. The essence of creativity is breaking
away from traditions.

In other words, the above is just a cop-out argument of Hussein's.
It is very likely that if he imagines Hindu Goddesses nude, he
would be imagining the Muslim godddesses or equivalent nude too,
and if he is true to himself, he should draw those too.

Just shows the hypocrisy of the man, and also of his defenders.

regards,
Samir

Re: [Goanet] 'Khawateen cant discard purdah for politics'

In a secular democracy with full rights and liberties, one ought to be
free to do the following:

1. Voluntarily wear the burqa.

2. Use loudspeakers with the permission of the local community and authorities.

3. Impart religious education in private schools, not supported by tax
payer or public funds.

4. Hold unscientific, irrational, absurd and/or weird beliefs, as long
as they do not cause personal or public harm, or infringe on the
rights, freedoms and privileges of others.

5. Peacefully oppose or complain about criticism by others of their
religious views.

6. Criticize or peacefully oppose religion and religious views, or
irreligiosity and irreligious views.

7. Peacefully convert others to one's own religion or irreligiousness.

8. Peacefully dissuade others from converting to a different religion
or to irreligiousness.

Cheers,

Santosh

--- On Fri, 3/12/10, Sandeep Heble  wrote:
>
> If I had the power to legislate, I would fully support the right to
> criticize religions. I would also ban the forcible imposition of the
> burqa, loudspeakers in religious places, religious education in
> schools and other educational institutions for children, caste and
> other discriminatory practices, etc. I would also demolish all the
> illegalities happening in the name of religion like illegal roadside
> shrines. In my opinion, a true secular society would think on these
> lines.
>
> The sad part about our democracy is that the believers want the >right
> to freely propagate their own beliefs, even if the beliefs might be
> unscientific, irrational, absurd and weird, even if the beliefs are
> against the cherished principles of freedom, liberty and equality,
> even if the beliefs are against human rights but they will oppose even
> valid criticism against their beliefs. That is my principal grouse
> against religion and its adherents. That they do not believe in the
> principles of reciprocity.
>
> The ugly genie of religious intolerance will keep popping out from the
> religious lamps that they hold. They want full freedoms but will deny
> others theirs. If somebody will say anything that goes against their
> beliefs, they will complain about sentiments being hurt. They will
> also indulge in violent activities, street rioting, mob violence,
> fatwas and will do anything and everything to suppress the other
> person’s rights and freedoms.
>

[Goanet] Tiatr Houseful in 2 hours?

Tiatr Houseful in 2 hours?
 
Prince Jacob in association with TAG celebrating 100 shows of 
Tiatr ‘ZAIAT ZAGE’
Also, celebrating 25 years of  his production 1985-2010
 
Today at 7.30pm Margao (Pai Tiatrist Hall).
FREE show but one needed to collect entry passes issued 2 per head.

Available as from 10th Mrach between 9.30-12.30 and 4pm-6pm
This details was given in a large Ad dtd 10/3/10

Next day, in even bigger ad, it  claimed ‘show is houseful’
‘All records shattered Houseful Show in just 2 hours’
‘Sorry friends the show is houseful’

Today, 12/3/10,  in another larger ad, it says
Entry for valid pass holders only
And that Chief Guess is PWD Minister Churchill Alemao
Guest of Honour Power Minister Aleixo Sequeira and Forest minister 
Philip Neri
Strangely, TAG’s president Tomazinho’s name is missing.
The  event is supported by TAG though.
 
Tiatr Houseful in just 2 hours?
Very doubtful! 
Unless 50%  or more seats were reserved for the director..
 
Also, today is supposed to be a 'dhukicho Sunkrar' as we are in lent (Korezm).
 
Fyi, recently held TAG’s first Tiatr Festival, 25% of the seats were 
reserved for the Directors of the competiting tiatr.  Which mean 300 
seats out of 1200.  
This is one of the main reasons where most tiatr shows were houseful. 
Also, some directors buying more tickets (for publicity purpose) cannot 
be ruled out as it happened all the times at KA’s tiatr festival, Panjim.

Prince Jacob is one of the core members of TAG.
 
see the membership list here
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk12/3283889014/sizes/l/
 
CC to TAG/President


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[Goanet] Eliminating Acid Reflux Without Medication | Better Health Research

2010-03-12 Thread Con Menezes

Eliminating Acid Reflux without Medication
"Better Health Research"
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http://www.betterhealthresearch.com/health-articles/eliminating-acid-reflux-without-medication-19418560/

[Goanet] Patritoism was guiding force...

2010-03-12 Thread Bernado Colaco

I am not sure what patriotism Thai is talking about. Today sectarism still 
prevails in Goa's so called 'democracy'. The ill effects of Land to the Tiller 
are well known. The shunting of Concani and spread of poor quality of English 
language in schools are all the good things that Goans are faced with.

BC



Patriotism was guiding force for Bhau to run Goa:
    Shashikala
Patriotism was guiding force for Bhau to run Goa: Shashikala
PANAJI: The former chief minister, Ms Shashikala Kakodkar, remembering 
her legendary father, late Bhausaheb alias D B Bandodkar on the eve of 
the commencement of his birth centenary celebrations said that 
patriotism was the guiding force for Bhau to run Goa.

?Bhau was never a politician by choice, but the situation that prevailed 
during the post-Liberation period, including unanimous decision of the 
Maharashtrawadi Gomantak Party leaders, forced him to head the state 
administration,? she recalled, observing that even though her father was 
not a statesman, he stood by his decisions and ensured that they were 
implemented in true spirit, for the benefit of the masses. ?Two of his 
radical decisions were opening Marathi medium schools in nook and corner 
of Goa, and bringing land reforms in the region,? Ms Kakodkar stated, 
pointing out that Bhau was totally unimpressed with the British system 
of education, which was adopted by the independent India, and was of the 
opinion that basic education in Marathi and Konkani as well as Urdu 
language, if the students existed, would not only link the children to 
their culture and tradition but also build their national character.

[Goanet] Audio / Video Review - 'Piracy', 'Nisha'

2010-03-12 Thread Goanet A-C-E!


VIDEO REVIEW/ AUDIO REVIEW  
Written by J P Pereira
Thursday, 11 March 2010 23:52

*** Issue of piracy highlighted  ***

The house of Sinari’s, Panaji has released their latest video film by 
Joywin Fernandes. ‘Piracy’ deals with the issue of piracy of Konkani 
audio and video productions which is rampant in Goa. As soon as a new 
programme is released, library owners and others have no qualms, burning 
the new releases onto a CD and blatantly hiring these out to willing 
viewers, who pay a lesser amount of Rs 30 for a day. These people who 
sell releases illegally make a huge profit and in most cases, the 
producer turns into a pauper.


The story tale revolves around a family. The father returns from the 
gulf with some earnings and decides to invest money into making a video 
film. The film is produced, released and copies are supplied to various 
audio-video shops. Soon the unscrupulous elements begin duplicating the 
film for hire and the producer has to bear the brunt. Watch the film to 
know how the curse of piracy causes so much of unhappiness. The video 
also leaves the viewers with a pertinent thought-How will the Konkani 
entertainment industry survive if piracy continues?


Heading the cast is Justino and Antonette de Calangute. Beautiful 
performances are enacted where love and support for one another is 
depicted and the pain when everything is lost is also well visualised. 
The two are supported by Jaju, Samuel Carvalho, Jackie, Rupesh (great in 
a cameo), Anthony Fernandes, Marcus, Agostinho and others.


Lenoy Gomendes provides the music and the theme song by Connie-M is 
catchy and pleasant. Joywin Fernandes has photographed, produced, 
written and directed the video film. The story carries a strong message 
that tells the viewer, that piracy can be curbed. It can be curbed best 
not with the help of the law but by avoiding the hiring of duplicate 
discs and instead buying original ones. Kill Piracy and do buy your own 
copy and enjoy the film.



*** Love songs in ‘Nisha’ ***

Pereira Productions, Arpora have released the soundtrack of ‘Nisha’, a 
film produced by Neville Pereira. The album has songs from the film 
along with some bonus tracks.


The title song ‘Nisha’ by Sudesh Bhonsale has some punchy music and 
loads of fillers on the saxophone. The rest of the tracks are love 
songs. ‘Mog re Tuzo’ by Reshma and Lawry Travasso, ‘Mog amcho Dogaincho’ 
by Ulfa and Aurville and “Mog Sodanch Kortolom’ by Kavita and Socorro de 
Santa Cruz followed by ‘Tum io Moga’ by Sadhana Sargam and Lawry Travasso.


Jacob, Socorro, Ivy and Alex continue with ‘Birthday song’, ‘You’re My 
Love’ by Sadhana Sargam follows and the album ends with ‘Tujea Bogor’ 
another romantic song by Reshma with Neville.


Neville Pereira has composed the music and lyrics. He also plays the 
keyboard for some tracks. He is joined by Ally on the guitar, Shyamraj 
on the saxophone and flute with Aurville programming the drums and 
Frazer programming the bass. A pleasant album.


http://www.navhindtimes.in/buzz/9644-video-review-audio-review


Goanet A-C-E!
Arts ~ Culture ~ Entertainment

[Goanet] Congress Govt. in Goa accepts that inflation in their tenure of 3 years has gone up by 46%.

2010-03-12 Thread SHRIKANT BARVE

Congress Govt. in Goa accepts that inflation in their tenure of 3 years has 
gone up by 46%.
Labour Minister Joaquim Alemao said that the minimum wages to various skilled, 
semi-skilled and unskilled workers would be raised from Rs 103 per day to Rs 
150 per day in 20 scheduled employment categories. The last wage revision was 
done in March 2007.

http://www.oheraldo.in/news/Local%20News/minimum-wages-hiked-to-Rs-150/34527.html


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[Goanet] Sewage choking Colva

2010-03-12 Thread Arwin Mesquita

http://www.oheraldo.in/news/Local%20News/Sewage-choking-Colva/34540.html
 Sewage choking Colva

HERALD REPORTER

MARGAO, MARCH 11
Welcome to the world famous tourist village, Colva. The village may boast of
attracting large number of tourists at its beach, but the government appears
blind to the unsanitary environment plaguing the village in recent times.
The sewage disposal has come to haunt the locals and the panchayat, even as
the village is already grappling with the tones of garbage generated by
hotels and restaurants and a growing number of housing colonies.
An inspection of the village countryside on Thursday revealed the worst
fears of local activists. Storm water drains have been conveniently used by
the hotel establishments to discharge sewage and waste waters.
That’s not all. Believe it or not, a traditional road – used by the local
residents — lay submerged under sewage and waste water, forcing the locals
to take an alternate road.
Neither the Sarpanch Agnela Borges, nor the panchayat secretary, who
accompanied the members of the Colva Civic and Consumer Forum during the
site-inspection, had an answer to the discharge of waste waters in the
drains and open space.
As convenor of the Colva Civic Forum Judith Almeida and other activists
demanded stringent action against the hotel establishments, Sarpanch Angela
promised to convene a special meeting to discuss the emerging health hazard
before cracking a whip against erring hotel and restaurant owners.
Pointing to a garbage dump, Judith termed the situation as a mini-Sonsodo in
Colva, with neither the local body nor the government finding any permanent
solution to the garbage woes.
“The garbage situation is going from bad to worse. How much more time would
the local body and the authorities require for finding a solution?” she
demanded to know.
At another location, garbage was found burnt by the establishment owners in
the absence of any garbage disposal mechanism. “Will the authorities open
their eyes at least now? The Tourism Department should open it eyes to the
menace. Certainly, the department does not invite tourists to look at the
filth and garbage,” she added.
Sarpanch Angela is not averse to issuing show cause notices to the erring
establishments and has drawn up a scheduled to issue the notices within
eight days time. “I am sending notices to the establishments inspected
today. Besides, the matter will be placed before the meeting (of panchayat
members) to work out a long-term solution,” the sarpanch added.
Judith, however, said that the Forum activists would wait for 15 days; she
threatened to gherao the panchayat members and knock the doors of the
Judiciary, if no action was taken against the erring establishments during
the 15 days.
 “In the past, the Forum had approached the High Courts to wake up the
authorities from deep slumber. Only the High Court can give the hapless
residents solace and relief from the emerging health hazard in the village,”
Judith asserted, while demanding revocation of licences of the erring
establishments.

-- 
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Please also see below:
1. Benaulim Village Action Committee: http://www.bvacbenaulim.blogspot.com/
2. "Rape of Goa" : http://www.parrikar.com/blog/the-rape-of-goa/
3. MAND - an adivasi-rights resource centre : http://mandgoa.blogspot.com/
4. EVERY GOAN SHOULD SEE THIS VIDEO:
http://infochangeindia.org/Infochange-documentary.html
5. For the Love of Konkani: http://www.radiogoa.net/
6. Goa's Identity Movement website: http://www.goamag.net/gim
7. Goa's Identity Movement group on Facebook:
http://www.facebook.com//#/group.php?gid=193497031686
8. Official Government Site NRI Office (GOA): http://www.globalgoans.org.in/

[Goanet] Daily Grook #643

2010-03-12 Thread Francis Rodrigues


DAILY GROOK #643
===
BRIEF THIEF
===
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[Goanet] 'Khawateen cant discard purdah for politics'

2010-03-12 Thread Sandeep Heble

Samir Kelekar wrote on Goanet:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Khawateen-cant-discard-purdah-for-politics/articleshow/5673989.cms

Marshall and Sandeep, defenders of "freedom of speech", check this out.
Have some guts to write a while diatribe against this!

samir

My response:

Samir,

What guts does one need to share opinions? I have my own issues with
religion and I have made them clear on several previous occasions.

I endorse Taslima Nasreen’s views on the burqa
(http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?233670 ) and I fully share
her concerns. I strongly condemn the violence that is being
perpetrated against her by extremist elements and I also unequivocally
condemn the Political parties (which include the Congress, the BJP,
the Left and others) for adopting double standards and for failing to
protect our Artists, writers and other creative and cultural
practitioners.

The concepts of God and Religion have been used consistently by the
stronger to suppress the weaker and it goes without saying that the 3
major religions of the World - Christianity, Islam and Hinduism - have
traditionally always been hostile towards women. Christianity is much
better now. Hinduism is reforming slowly while Islam continues to be
held hostage by its orthodox religious adherents.

If I had the power to legislate, I would fully support the right to
criticize religions. I would also ban the forcible imposition of the
burqa, loudspeakers in religious places, religious education in
schools and other educational institutions for children, caste and
other discriminatory practices, etc. I would also demolish all the
illegalities happening in the name of religion like illegal roadside
shrines. In my opinion, a true secular society would think on these
lines.

The sad part about our democracy is that the believers want the right
to freely propagate their own beliefs, even if the beliefs might be
unscientific, irrational, absurd and weird, even if the beliefs are
against the cherished principles of freedom, liberty and equality,
even if the beliefs are against human rights but they will oppose even
valid criticism against their beliefs. That is my principal grouse
against religion and its adherents. That they do not believe in the
principles of reciprocity.

The ugly genie of religious intolerance will keep popping out from the
religious lamps that they hold. They want full freedoms but will deny
others theirs. If somebody will say anything that goes against their
beliefs, they will complain about sentiments being hurt. They will
also indulge in violent activities, street rioting, mob violence,
fatwas and will do anything and everything to suppress the other
person’s rights and freedoms.

A short time back, I posted the following two articles:

Johann Hari: Why should I respect these oppressive religions?
http://tinyurl.com/d8u5ok

Johann Hari: Despite these riots, I stand by what I wrote
http://tinyurl.com/bny9ma

The arguments used by the author to support his contentions are
nothing short of brilliant. I agree entirely with what he says. In a
true democracy, the cherished principles of Freedom of speech and
expression must cut both ways. If you want to say that religion is
good, you must also hear out why religion is bad. The “Quid Pro Quo”
must exist without which reform just won’t happen.

Cheers,
Sandeep

[Goanet] Tiatr for Lent/Easter - Part III

Tiatr for Lent/Easter - Part III
 
Lent:
7. 
ASA TUM TOIAR?  By Inacio Dias releasing  11/3/10.
His prev. Lenten show was ‘Tumch Mhozo Dev’
 
Easter releases
14.
 Oldrin wants to explain whether RAJKARONN  is ‘borem’ or ‘suj’ ?
 
15.
Maxcy Pereira says breaking house? No problem but
  GHOR MODDAT GHORABO SAMBALLAT 

DOGUI  BODMAS releasing on 12th April (not  on 18th April as said earlier).
 
Films/VCDs
Film NISHA  by Neville Pereira releasing 15th March 2010
With Nancy, Roseferns, John, Sheik Amir, Priyanka, Ophelia, 
Lawry, socoro de St. Cruz,  etc

KONNAK CHUKONAM  by Mindroy Carvalho
A song VCD 

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