[Goanet] AN INDISCIPLINED CHIEF SECRETARY

2013-06-01 Thread Aires Rodrigues
Discipline is vital to the success of any administration but Chief
Secretary Mr. B. Vijayan who is heading the bureaucracy in Goa is not
leading by example. Mr. Vijayan who came to Goa in Nov 2010 completed his
two year tenure way back but has just refused to move out of Goa despite
his transfer order having been issued. After having sent repeated reminders
asking Mr. Vijayan to swiftly shift to Arunachal Pradesh, the Union Home
Ministry has now reportedly issued him a show cause notice for having
failed to comply with the directives.

My spy camera in the corridors of power has revealed that Mr. Vijayan who
is due to retire in Sept next year is now contemplating taking VRS and is
eyeing the post of State Chief Information Commissioner which will enable
him make Goa his retirement nest for the next five years. Mr. Vijayan may
succeed in this mission as he has obligingly been bending and bowing down
to all the dictates of Chief Minister Manohar Parrikar by signing on the
dotted line


Aires Rodrigues
T1 - B30, Ribandar Retreat
Ribandar - Goa - 403006
Mobile: 9822684372


[Goanet] Alexander's Ragtime Band - Dixieland Crackerjacks - YouTube

2013-06-01 Thread Con Menezes
Your weekend musical entertainment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvXQ6MBh_2s


[Goanet] Kiran Mazumdar Shaw, three other Indians on Forbes’ philanthropy list - Mumbai Mirror

2013-06-01 Thread Con Menezes

http://www.mumbaimirror.com/news/india/Kiran-Mazumdar-Shaw-three-other-Indians-on-Forbes-philanthropy-list/articleshow/20358088.cms


[Goanet] Mumbai's Dharavi slum industries thrive - Channel NewsAsia

2013-06-01 Thread Con Menezes

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asiapacific/mumbai-s-dharavi-slum-industries-thrive/684002.html


[Goanet] Kuwait Tiatristanchem Bhirem Toair zalea dakhounk |Tiatristanchi Moladik Kala 2

2013-06-01 Thread Goa World


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athvech torecheo dakhovnneo machier haddun ithias rochpi Kuwait-Goa 
Tiatristanchi Sonvstha (KGTS) 
machier haddta ek oznadikh Tiatr 
TIATRISTANCHI MOLADIKH KALA 2 
bospagari (retired) tiatristam passot June-ache 28 tarker 2013 (Sunkraradis) 
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THOUGHT FOR THE DAY: You must speak straight so that your words may go as 
sunlight to our hearts.  


[Goanet] Fwd: Song for the day....

2013-06-01 Thread Gabe Menezes
Xavier Cugat - Always In My Heart

my Mom's fav.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOt_c-J_BdQ



-- 
DEV BOREM KORUM

Gabe Menezes.


[Goanet] Kishwar Desai on Lancelot Ribeiro

2013-06-01 Thread Eugene Correia
Eugene Correiahttps://www.facebook.com/eugene.correia.3?hc_location=stream
Given below is the last two paras of a column by Kishwar Desai, author of
Sea of Innocence, based on the Scarlett murder case in Goa, in an Indian
newspaper today. She touches on Lancelot Rebeiro's work. Lancelot was
half-brother of Francis Newton D'Souza, the acclaimed Goan painter/writer.

Even in the UK we are wondering whether the easy access to
pornography on the Internet could be one of the reasons?
B ut let's move on to more pleasant things. We attended a wonderful
restrospective of artist Lance Robeiro, J.N. Souza's brother at the
resplendent Asia House. And what an amazing exhibition it was. It was
obvious that the artist deserved much more recognition during his lifetime
than he had ever got. His daughter Marsha Rebeiro had put the exhibition
together with the tireless Betty Yao, who is also a member of the Pan Asian
Women's Association.
Rebeiro was born in Bombay, but in his early paintings the jewellike
colours of the churches and houses belong obviously to his original Goan
heritage. Even more interesting was the fact that he had painted in so many
different styles in his lifetime that it looked almost like the exhibition
was of four or five different artists and not just a single one.

Now one hopes that Rebiero's work will return to India, especially to Goa.
Wouldn't it be wonderful to have these paintings hung -however briefly -in
the home and the place where he was born?

Eugene


[Goanet] Son'varachim Sungttam: Sorkar ani Porza

2013-06-01 Thread Goa World
 SON’VARACHIM SUNGTTAM:
SORKAR ANI PORZA
- Jose Salvador Fernandes 
Gõy Vidhan Sobhechi fattli vinchnnuk 2012 vorsa zali. Motdaramni, Kongres Pokxa 
kodde Gõy rajya khatir vavrunk ani raj cholounk favo te tankiche ani kopxieche 
monis nam te polleun, tea pokxak panch vorsancho visov dilo. Bharotiya Janata 
Pokxak (BJP) sodrier haddlo. Fattlea vorsantlea Mars mhoineant. Mhonnche, ek 
voros tin mhoineacho - pondra mhoine - kall sorlo. Hea pondra mhoineamni, BJP 
sorkaran Gõy rajyache udorgoti khatir  kitem melloylem, zoddlem ani xarti 
pavoylem tem konnak khobor nam. Svota BJP-kui tachi mahiti asa zalear khobor 
nam. Gõy rajyacheo vinchnnuko lagim pavta-pavta BJP jairatintlean aplo 
jahirnamo porgott kortalo. Kongres ani vinchnnuk loddovpi her-ui pokx oxem 
korpant fattim nasle.Tea jahirnameamni, motdarank bhulounk, fulounk vo potrank 
posunk zalear khobor nam, aplea pokxak sodrier haddlo zalear, pokx motdaram 
khatir oxem-toxem kortolo mhonn pott’tiddken ani kinvanttean jahir kortale. 
Vinchnnukam uprant, zo pokx sodrier ailo, ani jea pokxak atam pondra 
mhoineancho kall bhorlo, tea pokxan hea pondra mhoineachea kallant apnnem 
rajyache gadier bosun rajya khatir kitem melloylem, zoddlem ani xarti pavoylem 
tem, tea pokxan motdarank adlech pott’tiddken ani kinvanttean, jairatintlean 
sangunk zai aslem. Punn sangpachem nanch zalear anik kitem sangtele?
Punn fattlea vorsa BJP sorkar Gõyche sodrier yet porian tem az meren, hea 
sorkarak khuinchech vatten tharo naslolea porim disun ailam. Poilo prosn 
upraslo – mullavea xikxonnachem madeom. Tache fattafatt, prosn manddun 
dovorlolea bhaxen, bekaideachea minacho prosn udelo ani minacheo khonddi bond 
poddleo. Sorkari tizorimni yevpi yennavoll bond zali. Hea, aplea hata bhair 
aslolea prosnachi sorkar azun-ui khoros kaddta. Anik khubxea prosnam modem atam 
uprasla Mopa vimantollacho prosn. Fattlea satolleant Mandoviche nodint ubi 
zalole M V Casino (Horseplay) botticho prosn uprsala. Mhonnche, BJP sorkar 
Gõyant he khepek sodrier yet porian, hea sorkarak prosnacher prosnak fuddo 
korunk poddlam, ani tacho porinnam’ rajyache udorgoticher zala hantum matui 
dubav nam. 
Toxem polleunk gelear, her rayjamni prosn asonant oxem nhoi. Astat. Thoddeanche 
prosn suttoytat, thoddeanche suttun suttonant. Anik kaim zonnanche prosn-prosn 
sutt’ta-sutt’ta okosmat anik kitem addkholl ubi zata, ani tem sogllem lambter 
poddta, ani te-te poristhiti promannem padd-ui poddta. 
Gõycho BJP sorkar fattle pondra mhoine sot’ter asot porian je tache mukhar 
prosn ube zaleat, te sorkara kodde suttounk zaunk nant. Fuddarak zatole vo nam 
ti-ui khobor nam. Punn ek mat khorem: sorkaran motdarancher vinchnnuke adim 
visvas dakoylolo to, atam sodrier yetoch dakounk nam. Dekunuch khubxea 
prosnamni sorkarak modli nhoi, punn poll-vatt kaddchi poddlea, ani taka lagun 
Gõyant sodrier aslolo sorkar ‘amcho sorkar’ vo nam tem lok chintunk poddla.
Rajyachi udorgot zatoli zalear, sorkara ani vinchun kaddlolea motdaram modim 
divop-ghevop aschem poddlem. Aichi poristhiti niyall’lear, sorkar apnnak 
vinchun diloleam koddchean fokot gheta, punn aple vattenchem tankam dinam oxem 
dista. Dekik: Sod’deak Mopa vimantollacho prosn ubo zala. Porza mhonnta MOPA 
vimantoll naka. Sorkar mhonnta, nam hanv kortanch! Hanga sorkar aplech porje 
kodde ‘temam’ khellta kai dista. Oxe torechim ‘temam’ khellche bodlek sorkaran 
porjechim motam ugtea monan aikololim zalear, Mopa vimantolla vixim aichi ji 
poristhiti nirmann zalea, ti ghoddie zaunchi nasli. Karonn, apnnem nivddun 
dilolo sorkar aplea dastiank ani prosnank kan dinam tednam porza rostear 
denvta. ‘Goans for Dabolim Only’ hi te poristhitichi ugti dekh asa.
Sorkar ho porje khatir asta. Dekun, lokxayent porza aplea khatir aslolea porim 
khuincho-i sorkar vagta tednam, to sorkar rajyache sodrier asun-ui porje mukhar 
khala poddta. Porza magir taka sodanch tirpe nodren polleta. Tannem suchoylolea 
yevzonnank virod korta. Taka aplea monantlo bhair ghalta. Sorkar aslo-i sarko, 
naslo-i sarko uloyta ani vagta. 
Osli poristhiti khuincheach rajyacher, ani khas korun Gõy rajyacher uprsachi 
nhoi mhonn opekxa ballgum-ya. .  .  


Re: [Goanet] Tradition of Mhar or Zudev celebration on 23rd June every year

2013-06-01 Thread radharao gracias
Kill the Jew is part of the historical anti Jewish tirade of
Christianity. The practice was observed in Goa on 23rd of June, i.e. on the
eve of the Feast of St.John the Baptist. The date is significant and
relates to the imprisonment and beheading of St.John the Baptist by King
Herod of the Jews. Kill the Jew is reprisal for the slaying of St.John
the Baptist !


On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 12:40 AM, Alfred de Tavares 
alfredtava...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Eric, I think there is an inadvertant miss' infra, as our jc would say...

 Should'nt it rather be 'mar'.

 'Mhar' is a cobbler or bamboo-worker by profession  which, lamentably,
 places the group as untouchable---casteless;

 Whereas, 'mar' is (to) kill; 'mar zudev/zudev mar' thus rendering it as
 kill (the) Jew.

 Although casteless, there was never any bitterness/animosity vs the shoe-
 or
 baset- makers, in Goa, unless, woebegone, one of them dared enter a Hindu
 brahmin house through the front door, enter a Hindu temple by whichever
 door or even cross the shadow of a H. brahmin, however tainted the later
 may
 be...

 Oh...I forgot, if the poor devil dared use a village well...he/mostly, she
 was done
 for.

 Chacha...trying to impress (a bit) on his knowledge of 'castology'.



  Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 22:58:05 -0700
  From: ericpin...@yahoo.com
  To: joego...@yahoo.co.uk; goanet@lists.goanet.org
  Subject: [Goanet] Tradition of Mhar or Zudev celebration on 23rd June
 every   year
 
 
 
Kill the Jew !   The practice is banned. Israel had
  issued a formal protest to the Foreign Ministry several
  years ago. The government in Goa then responded.eric.
 
 
 
  On the 23rd June every year, a day before Sao Joao, we also celebrated
 'mhar' or 'zudev', an old man made up of straw (with pant, shirt, shoes,
 hat etc) sitted on a chair, we carried him house to house where we used
 these pidde to hit or strike the ground saying 'Mhar re, Zud re, ku, ku,
 ku'. This was a tradition in salcette, don't know it's significance though
 (Zudev also mean Judev).



Re: [Goanet] Coconut

2013-06-01 Thread joe lobo

 Hey  Mervyn,
 Your  description  of  Barbados  sounds  like  a  mixture  of  old 
Zanzibar, Goa  and heaven.my  question  :--is  it 
an  expensive  tourist  trap  like  any  of  the  other  Carribean  islands 
or  is  it  affordable to  a middle  class  person  like  myself?   For  one 
thing  it  is  closer  than  the  rather  long  20  hour air   journey to 
Goa and  the  irritation  of  a  visa  visit  to  the  Indian  consulate in 
TO  !!
- Original Message - 
From: Mervyn Lobo mervynal...@yahoo.ca

To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 10:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut


Bosco D wrote:

Josenotwithstanding this thread leading you and our buddies Mervyn 
Rico to be flown by Captain Tobias Wilcox on Coconut Airways flight 372 to
Bridgetown, Barbados [1], your below comment reminded me of a quote
attributed to Steve Jobs aka the Gamechanger:

A lot of times, people don't know what they want until you show it to 
them

[2]




Bosco,
1) If there is a place in the Caribbean that is almost like Goa, it has got 
to be Barbados.


a) For starters, its flag has Poseidon's Trident on it.

b) Its fish market - Oistens - has almost the same variety of seafood as the 
Panjim fish market. More importantly, there are women there who buy the 
catch as soon as the fishing boats come in, deep fry the same and serve it 
with a sauce made of bonnet peppers, lime, garlic and coriander with a side 
order of fried breadfruit. The result is close to heaven.


c) Believe it or not, the sea around the island is infested with flying 
fish. The way you go fishing in Barbados is by renting a dory. When you get 
to the fishing grounds, the captain instructs you to stand up in the dory 
carrying a large cardboard panel. Sooner or later you will see a 16 inch 
flying fish get out of the water i.e. 150 yards away and fly straight 
towards you. All you have to do is make sure the flying fish hits your 
cardboard and falls into the boat. The only fish more tasty than a flying 
fish is Kingfish and Bangares.


d) The state of the art cricket stadium there is named after Gary Sobers.

e) Almost forgot, the rum, well, if I mention that, the nation will be 
overwhelmed with tourists and probably lose its charm.




As for 2)
Well my favourite Apple joke is about the actress Gwyneth Paltrow. She named 
her first child Apple. A comedian then remarked that if she had a second 
child, she would have a pair.


Mervyn



[Goanet] Some Panjim City news in Pics

2013-06-01 Thread JoeGoaUk
 

This time of the year, waves are behaving badly
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk73/8865932188/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk73/8865927706/in/photostream/


We will not stay off the shore, not even a day during the fishing ban period 
Says the fishing canoe owners
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk73/8853113398/in/photostream/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk73/8865923002/in/photostream/

New temple spotted at compal grounds, river bank
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk73/8883516506/in/photostream/

city Rain Clouds
over doorsdarshan tower
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk73/8892055346/in/photostream/


Can you see the rain?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk73/8864904882/in/photostream/


Designer shopping in the city
Allen Solly
VanHeusen
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk73/8866005412/in/photostream/

Deltin Casino making the news
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk73/8913581290/in/photostream
View from Verem side
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk73/8852437149/in/photostream/


http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk73/8852488201/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk73/8842346374/in/photostream/

Casino junctions
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk73/8853097662/in/photostream/

Fish drying on footpath
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim9/8865343313/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim9/8865957314/

Miramar road mega project ? – next to Riomar Hotel DB Road
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk73/8762136388/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk73/8762149902/in/photostream/

Another? Very next to Hotel Solmar
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk73/8762156052/in/photostream/

Black out at Miramar
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk73/8865308795/in/photostream/



Dixtt – Keni DB Road
Evil eye
suno gaur se Duniya walon 
buri nazar na humpe dalo
chahe jitna zor lagalo 
sabse aage honge hindustaani
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk73/8762144020/in/photostream/

Jetty Extension, Renovation work
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk72/8871057406/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk72/8871069092/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk72/8870468693/in/photostream/

multi-level Parking
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk72/8870480111/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk72/8871097146/in/photostream/

Under the new Patto-bridge
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk72/8871103936/in/photostream/

At CoP – Captain of Port Jetty
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk72/8871110320/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk70/8722549389/in/photostream/

video - Jetty renovation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMi_uRCkfyc

Panjim beef stalls closed
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk71/8731702242/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk71/8731700792/in/photostream/

Almeida’s wine stores, Panjim
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk70/8642080350/in/photostream/

Tisrio bulk sale on DB road
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk73/8912974213/in/photostream

she is upto something
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk73/8912980789/in/photostream/

Who cut this city tree? 
unsolved mystery
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk73/8904060943/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk73/8891122138/in/photostream

joego...@yahoo.co.uk 

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In Goa, Dial  1 0 8 
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[Goanet] Of trees, plants, fruits..

2013-06-01 Thread JoeGoaUk
 
Who cut this city tree?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk73/8904060943/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk73/8891122138/in/photostream


Figs, anjir, Rumddam
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk73/8891106258/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk73/8890492203/in/photostream/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk73/8853065690/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk73/8852443287/in/photostream/

the tree grown on the wall
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk73/8853076436/in/photostream/

Mankurad mangoes Rs.800 per doz 
May 27, 2013, Panjim Market
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk73/8853092098/in/photostream/

Your next choice is Mangilar
Rs. 300 now
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk73/8853084186/in/photostream/

On’nos
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk73/8751763990/in/photostream/

coconut tree
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk73/8751770288/in/photostream/

Raw mangoes on a tree at night
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk73/8774162562/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk73/8769363571/in/photostream/

ambeak ek Piklolo  ambo
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk73/8806270060/in/photostream/


http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk73/8795684129/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk73/8795698945/in/photostream/

a dwarf caju / Kaz
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk72/8750547685/in/photostream/

Normal  caju apple
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk72/8751672360/in/photostream/

Musarat Mangoes
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk72/8750562267/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk72/8751686784/in/photostream/

Mango tree but with different leaves
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk72/8752434167/in/photostream/

Totapuri Mangoes
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk72/8818011250/in/photostream/

jackfruit bulbs
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk71/8736668611/in/photostream/
Mango slices
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk70/8723348100/in/photostream/

Zamllam
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk70/879625/in/photostream/

Ghonttam
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk70/8723350526/in/photostream/

Carrot dos
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk70/8722232177/in/photostream/

Tree with tie shape pods
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk70/8723642144/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk70/8723644142/in/photostream/


A Tree roots, shoots
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk70/8665843949/in/photostream/

joego...@yahoo.co.uk 

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For Goan Video Clips 
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In Goa, Dial  1 0 8 
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[Goanet] Educational complex at Navelim

2013-06-01 Thread Nelson Lopes
Birth of Higher secondary school at Navelim

The little known genesis  of Higher Secondary school at Navelim has to be
said . A ;private party had applied for opening of Higher secondary school
at Navelim  The  party had no administrative expertise , educational
background or infrastructural background The DSE was not even aware of
 this move nor was it contemplating its presence and much desired foothold
in  South Goa. I was heading the Secondary school at that relevant time
.The then Director of Education Mr S.V.Kurade in his goodness, interests
and foresight asked me to carry this message personally to the authorities
for an immediate response, failing which the request was in all likely hood
would be considered. It was not incumbent upon him to sound the DSE.
Accordingly I met the then Ex Officio Chairman of DSE and conveyed the
message. The rest is history. It will be seen , as  aforementioned, how the
Higher Secondary School at Navelim came into existence and not with  any
particular regional  considerations, as expounded vociferously to day. The
 final decison was of DSE and Fr Rober Vaz only with all good intention but
without any consultations and approvals. .The presence of DSE in the South
was a much felt need  to meet the Educational requirements, opportunities
of the students of the surrounding areas,not specifically of the concerned
area in particular. The student strength for all these years has been drawn
from all over surrounding areas. for its survival. There was never
difficulty ofgetting admission for those who sought. It would be
academically interesting  to know , how many students from Navelim
patronised the  place in the past years, as a new twist is given under
political pressure of appeasement. Fortunately to day, as the result of the
first step, the edifice has grown into a full fledged college and Navelim
 can be justifiable be proud. and reap the benefits. It is the Govt of Goa,
which incurs major expenditure and pays rent for the premises and other
infrastructural facilities. With the increase in pass percentages and
uncertainty of near closing of popular facility at Margao, the pressure to
secure admission is real .There must be a sufficient cut off percentage to
join Science stream and to be able to cope up with. When the demands are
high those obtaining higher marks stand a better chance on merit without
discrimination and favouritism .Why in the past there was no clamour to
join the institute at Navelim ? Are those who scored high percentages from
Navelim seek admission at Navelim as the first preference or are they
those, who are refused even an admission form  elsewhere? The St Xaviers
College at Mumbai in sixties had  a policy of reserved quota for catholic
students , who could not compete on merit with the very high scores of
 other students. The admission was however on merit basis of the Catholic
students seeking admissions and not as a matter of enforceable right. This
was Constitutionally, legally permissible \as the college enjoyed minority
status . Such a criteria can be put in place . Goa Govt has a policy of
geographical limits for high schools, but it is not fair to deny talented
students the choice of Educational Institutions
The credit of opening the Higher Secondary School at Navelim,  legitimately
goes to DSE ,as the founders .  I am rather  sceptical about any  employee
claiming,  assuming the credit as the founder. Suffice it to say, one can
 at the best have the honour, privilege of being the first Head and
responsible for laying good foundations to stabilise the Institute
The  Manager Fr Robert Vaz assured  and extended full support to provide
 all the infrastructural necessities and without whom the starting of this
facility would at best remain a dream unfulfilled The DSE could not force
unilateral decision without his positive and active  cooperation
Nelson Lopes Chinchinim
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Re: [Goanet] [GOAN-NRI] Tradition of Mhar or Zudev celebration on 23rd June every year

2013-06-01 Thread lino dourado
Hey Joe,
Amge mhar Dabolincho 
Tumge mhar Mopacho
Ku re ku
 
Atta-kitti zata
Petti chavi katta
Amkam kitem potta
Ku ku ku


[Goanet] Was there any tea plantation in Goa during colonial times?

2013-06-01 Thread eric pinto



- Forwarded Message -
From: alan machado 
 


  
Tea needs an elevated and cool region and so is grown in some places on the 
inland slopes of the western ghats- Kelagur and a few other estates- very 
limited unlike coffee. Goa does not have this climate though I read some where 
of some wild coffee bushes- perhaps some experiment

Further inland to the south east you get the higher Nilgiri mountains where tea 
is grown extensively. Then you go to the Himalayas- Assam and Darjeeling. 
That's it for India

Alan Machado

      Thanks to Frederick Noronha.
---

On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 9:51 AM, William Robert Da Silva  wrote:

 
  
There was once a D(eputy) C(ommissioner), Mangalore, in undivided South 
Kanara, a researcher in his own right while in bureaucratic harness. His name: 
H. L. Nagegawda. He translated as many as possible European travellers' 
-logue into Kannada in many volumes, called 'Pravaasi kann'da Indiaa.'  You 
have material there on Coffee and Tea as discussed by travellers. He also 
wrote a monograph, Bet'ttadinda bat'ttalige (From Ghat to Glas), the story 
of divine elixir, kavveh of the Ethiopeans; and chai of Chinese (this latter 
partly). Later he turned to folklore and established a Folklore Museum, 
singlehanded. It is worth a visit.

In Western ghats, besides Nilgiris, there is Kelaguru and Meguru; Kellaruuruu 
Matthias's cultivated tea; I have visited and passed days in their estate, 
celebrating Eucharist in their private chapel, in 1970s. I have also seen the 
Tea picking, Two leaves and a bud'; the process of various types of tea, until 
the 'dust tea' is left - famous in south India, cooked with milk, ginger, etc. 
and drunk. It is not merely boiled but cooked! This tea is called KeLgur 
Tea.' 

William





-- Forwarded message --
From: Mário Moura 



Dear


My name is Mário Moura, I am a PHD History sudent, I was born, raised and 
live in Azores, Saint Michael's Island, Portugal as I am completing a seminar 
on tea production and exportation in the ancient colonial portuguese empire, 
I wonder if you know if tea has been grown in Goa or elsewhere?



Mário Moura



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Re: [Goanet] Unrest Eternally !

2013-06-01 Thread joe lobo


Venantius,
   I   have  often seemed  puzzled  in  my  mind  as 
to  how  cremation  of  an  entire  body  with  the  solid  wooden  casket 
only  amounts  to   a  small  canister (urn)  of  ashes.  I  phoned  a 
couple  of funeral  parlours in  my  area  who  directed me  to  the 
crematorium operators to  answer  my  queries.   Their  answers seem  to 
dodge my question.  as  to  whether  the  body  was  removed  and 
the casket   resold (  recycled) ?.maybe  you  could  illuminate  me



- Original Message - 
From: Venantius J Pinto venantius.pi...@gmail.com

To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 1:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Unrest Eternally !



Hi Mervyn,
Now you make very good points. Interesting story on TStrange. Language is
very interesting in where a thought points us to. I read this joke
recently: A duck goes into a bar and asks for a drink. The bartender says:
Can it put it on your bill.

The tidal pool anecdote is really interesting, and STRANGE. The funky bit
to my mind (and perhaps yours too) is the relationship of the two to each
other, conflated with the tidal pool, undertow and all. Lord this is a
riot. Good one.

Good idea of the brass band. My brother got a brass band for my Dads
funeral. The sad part was that they all looked horribly sad. I did a book
on Dads funeral. And imagine that my parents had a ten piece band at their
wedding. Anyway, if I was at the funeral then for sure I would have yelled
at the people to snap out of it.

Thanks for the clarification about Niagara. I am also very please that you
did not misconstrue my exhortation to damn your ashes.

Thank you.
+
venantius j pinto



Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 16:51:22 -0700 (PDT)

From: Mervyn Lobo mervynal...@yahoo.ca
To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!
goanet@lists.goanet.org
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Unrest Eternally !

Mervyn wrote:
VJP,
Till this very day, if you are Catholic and you conk off in Toronto and
nobody comes to claim your body, Catholic Charities will bury you for 
free
- with all the last rites. I am not sure if the cremation approval 
started
when they started running out of space at paupers graveyards in Europe, 
but

that is my guess. Catholic Charities here have a whole set of lawyers and
they will even bury family members together when requested.?

This leads me to the story of a lawyer named Thomas Strange who was
shopping for a tombstone. After he had made his selection, the 
stone-cutter
asked him what inscription he would like on it.?Here lies Thomas 
Strange,

an honest man and a lawyer, responded our lawyer.?Sorry, but I can't do
that, replied the stone-cutter. In this province, it's against the law 
to

bury two people in the same grave, and the authorities would be confused.
However, I could put 'Here lies an honest lawyer.'?

But that won't let people know who it is protested the lawyer.?
Sure they will, replied the stone-cutter. Everyone who reads it will
think, 'That's Strange!'


-x-


The request that conformed into my idea of strange, however, was when I
attended a ceremony where the ashes of someone and his mother-in-law were
dropped into the same tidal pool.?

?
As for cremation, during the process the water component of the body gets
vaporized. This condenses and can later fall as rain on someone who is
riding his motor-bike home. In my mind, the only better farewell scenario
is to have a brass band, with happy musicians, swinging you slowly down 
the

streets of New Orleans. This, I agree, is the height of pretentiousness.

Niagara Falls is far more cheaper for my last dispatch. I am
also?assured?that some of the participants will next go to one of the
casino's there?to enjoy those living moments.?


Mervyn
PS. Gabe, rest assured that it is perfectly legal to scatter ashes into
the Niagara Falls.?







[Goanet] How will this affect Goa?

2013-06-01 Thread J. Colaco jc
One notices the tangential but very shifty machinations of the
political hacks and hacktivists

Some who were very active when the BJP was in minority in Goa and CCP,
had numerous  political posts which suddenly stopped and converted to
sports when BJP majority was obtained in both. Now that the BJP is in
minority in the CCP, surely the political posts will resume.

Some who were hammering the so called 'Kangress' suddenly have turned
their attention to folks like Aires Rodrigues.

And then, there were the honest and well meaning 'believers' among
professionals who are shocked at 180 degrees that 2013  brought about.

Wonder why they are shocked. Did they not know what politics is all about?

Nothing personal guys ...just Politics. Let's not have any hard
feelings about such minutia. It does not really affect you on foren
where you live!


So what about the big prize ie the Centre?


After calling Mrs. Sonia Gandhi, Rahul Gandhi and Manmohan Singh all
kinds of names, they had kind of relented a wee bit. Their Bhangarocho
Bhurgo was going to lead them to Operation Vijay 2 in Karnataka aka
the State where it had become cool to physically beat up Adult Women
who wanted to have a drink in a pub or hold the hands of someone they
loved. Nobody from those quarters raised any voice of protest
agianst the Moral Policing or of the BJP corruptiondid they?

2013 came and the Women beaters (but Porn fans) got the red card.  Oh
dear oh dear!


They NOW have their eyes focused on the Centre.

Their Bhangarocho Bhurgo is facing many stumbling blocks. The main one
from the Foot Traveler himself. The one and only one who started it
all for them.

Ah well

AND what of the Congress or Kangress as 'they' like to call it?

From my vantage point: A veritable 'tumulto' e 'confusão' is in store.

Not very sure HOW it will affect Goa, but affect it will.

jc


TOI June 1, 2013   http://tinyurl.com/EkDonTeen-1

GWALIOR: Barely two weeks after he embarrassed BJP by saying the party
lost Karnataka due to opportunistic politics, L K Advani sought to
run down Gujarat chief minister Narendra Modi suggesting his Madhya
Pradesh counterpart Shivraj Singh Chauhan deserves more credit.

Advani reiterated his argument that Chauhan's achievements rank higher
as he is the CM of a bimaru (laggard) state, while Modi only
improved economically well-off Gujarat. He only made it a better
state, Advani said, referring to Modi.

Addressing party workers here on Saturday, Advani went a step ahead
comparing Chauhan to Vajpayee, discovering a common trait in the CM's
humble manner that he said is reminiscent of the saffron patriarch.


[Goanet] Ghee – A Little Known Superfood | The Holistic Truth

2013-06-01 Thread Con Menezes

http://theholistictruth.com/high-vitamin-butter-oil-a-little-known-superfood/


[Goanet] SUNDAY SPECIAL: Konkani music... from two other continents

2013-06-01 Thread Frederick FN Noronha * फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या * فريدريك نورونيا
I DON'T QUITE recall when this reached me, but the date on the cassette
cover says 18.11.[20]10. That must have been the time when Mervyn Maciel
spoke at the Goa Book Club in Panjim.

After lying around on my paper-cluttered desk for a long while, Ricky gave
a clue when he mentioned that the Margao Electronics would be able to
convert the aging cassette into a digital file. Taking the chance, I did
drop it over. Mervyn Maciel, one of the singers on the Jock Sequeira-led
initiative, was thrilled when I surprised him with the link.

*
See cassette cover:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/8917181432/sizes/l/in/photostream/
*** Listen to music: https://archive.org/details/suk-ani-duk ***
Other mostly Goa recordings: https://archive.org/details/goa1556
*

Suk Anim Dukh (Joy and Sorrow) calls itself 'Songs of Goan Life'. There's a
photo of the singers on its cover, shot in either East Africa or probably
the UK. This gives hint of this initiative -- an attempt to keep Konkani
alive among the diaspora community, notwithstanding challenges of distance,
language loss, and what not.

The lyrics are by Jock Sequeira, and vocalists are Jock himself, Sibila
Pinto and Mervyn Maciel. Musicians are Adolfo Saldanha (violin), Alfredo
Figueiredo (Portuguese guitar), Denzyl Sequeira (guitar) and Derrick
Sequeira (keyboards).

By email, Mervyn shared with me that this cassette was done some 20 years
ago (a few months before Jock's death). He wrote: He was suffering from
cancer and we wanted to 'hasten' the making of this tape. You will notice
his voice is not very clear; otherwise he had a wonderful and powerful
voice.

It was recorded in Jock's home in Wimbledon with the help of his two sons
(Denzyl  Derrick). There was no proper sound-proofing, and the like. The
musicians were our local Goans.Jock was a multi-talented man who did his
B.A.B.T. from St. Xavier's in Bombay. Was a prolific writer too both in
English and Konkani. Good friend of Lucio Rodrigues and  and many others,
as Mervyn explained.

He went on to say: The songs produced on this cassette were originally
struck as 78[RPM] records by HMV in Bombay. We don't have any of the
records and had to do most of the recording from memory. Jock moved to
Kenya in 1946 and taught in various schools in Mombasa. Was much liked for
his oratory and interest in encouraging debating societies/elocution etc.
He rose to become EducationOfficer in Kenya and later moved to England
where he taught for many years in London schools. He passed away in
December 1993.

Jock happens to be Mervyn's cousin. Unfortunately, while converting the
recording, some of the songs seem to have got skipped from the cassette.
Commented Mervyn: Wish we can get all the songs uploaded, especially those
about my Dad's death at sea and the others about caste, etc. Also, Jock's
farewell to Goa in that song, Vetam, vetam, vetam.Sorry to have set you
extra homework, Fred.

Anyway, let me try on my next trip to Margao...

And if anyone would like to share old Goa-centric resources (music,
photographs) with others online, please get in touch and we'll see what
best can be done...

While on this point, if you have any images or inputs for a write-up on
Ahmadi Goans (in Kuwait), please get in touch with
aerogirl123@hotmail.comwho is collating information on the subject
currently. Any help will be
acknowledged.

*** Listen to music: https://archive.org/details/suk-ani-duk ***
--
FN  Land +91-832-240-9490 Cell  +91-982-212-2436 f...@goa-india.org
Goa,1556 titles: http://bit.ly/Goa1556Books2
Links to my books: http://fredericknoronha1.wix.com/fngoaindia


Re: [Goanet] Coconut

2013-06-01 Thread Jose Colaco
On May 30, 2013, at 6:29 PM,   joe lobo jl...@rogers.com wrote:

:--is  it an  expensive  tourist  trap  like  any  of  the  other  Carribean  
islands or  is  it  affordable to  a middle  class  person  like  myself?   For 
 one thing  it  is  closer  than  the  rather  long  20  hour air   journey to 
Goa and  the  irritation  of  a  visa  visit  to  the  Indian  consulate in TO  
!!

COMMENT:

For what it is worth:

As one who has been there on Uni work, my impression is as follows:

1: boring
2: expensive
3: cost of accommodation matches neither the quality of the room nor the service
4: beaches of average quality
5: minimum five hour air journey from Eastern seaboard feels like 20 hours
6: waste of time.
7: the working desis I encountered all wanted to know if I could find a job for 
them out west of them.
8: a walk on the Board Walk indicates hotels 'in tears' ...pun intended.

The reasons why after a few trips, I said No Thank you  To any more even 
though they were expenses-paid.

True, that I too live close to the beach etc ...but you are right about the 
rest of the trap bit.

If you really wish a quality holiday in these parts: Not  inexpensive - Direct 
Flights 

Couples ( Jamaica)  Sandals ( Bahamas) and Punta Cana (DR), The Cove -Atlantis 
(Bahamas) or Iberostar Laguna Azul (Cuba)

best

jc



Re: [Goanet] Unrest Eternally !

2013-06-01 Thread Venantius J Pinto
Dear Joe,
Its jadugiri at least in the West. Things vanish, and are tied to the kind
of service one pays for. There are more ashes than the bhik they give back
to family. The UTakers will dodge this question. But nothing should stop
them from saying that since the urns are normally small that is what people
get unless asked for. It also simplifies the process for them for sure.

Two instances:
In India: I attended Aaji Ajgaonkar' cremation in Chembur. None of her four
grandkids from one side were married, and they were fine with me attending
it. I stayed there for a long time, and there were more ashes.

In the US: I attended my friends mothers cremation and saw the entire
casket being put in the furnace at a cemetery in Queens (maybe in
Brooklyn). I have no clue what happens if one is not in attendance at the
cremation.

I am not sure whether you are in India, but some cemeteries in the US have
a furnace. C and his wife were down there in the furnace room. I was at
cemetery level at a window looking down. The undertaker's man (a
freelancer) and a cop--I believe permitted me to watch since he was happy
that I knew his role, etc., and all the other cop stuff. Another story for
my real old age. Casket or not they still got some ashes, but here is the
caveat is I believe you get the amount of ashes based on the urn you
purchase in a few days upon visiting the undertaker. Now there could be a
law stating that one cannot take home an hando (or say bucket) of ashes.
But observe the business side of it: one gets the amount of ashes that fill
the urn (not vorn, to make batkht!).

Excuse  my funkiness.

Now, unlike the Japanese and course in India to--in the US one is not part
of gathering the ashes of ones own; but possible I would think where there
are fewer cremations and smaller places. Considering all the shit with
Arthur Andersen, Enron and a slew of other gootmalgiri/ lootmargiri (its
all the same mindset) --shortcuts; one simply cannot say whether ones ashes
are not mixed with someone elses! Avois, kit munta tum. Voi ge maim mornant
to pommerian zalo! The remainder of the ashes must simply be waste or
whatever. If there is money to be made, then based on the above--someone is
making it (even if it be pennies).

Also, people here although they may not say it (if they are even aware),
prefer a small urn (certainly sounds better that its synonyms). Now
suddenly ones gets into symbolism and the handful of ashes stands for the
whole. Avois, a hologram of the mind!

Less is More: Ludwig Mies van der Rohe
Less is a Bore: David Smith

In Japan they go picking up small bone fragments and the y-bone. There then
tend to bury the ashes in a family grave, although people scatter them to
the winds more and more. It is also normal to distribute ashes to various
locations: home, company, family grave, etc. See,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_funeral

Best. Btw, you made my day in that--I can share this kind of stuff and move
on to a project that fell off the table.


venantius j pinto




 Message: 5
 Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 21:52:23 -0400
 From:joe lobo jl...@rogers.com
 To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!
 goanet@lists.goanet.org
 Subject: Re: [Goanet] Unrest Eternally !


  Venantius,
 I   have  often seemed  puzzled  in  my  mind  as
 to  how  cremation  of  an  entire  body  with  the  solid  wooden  casket
 only  amounts  to   a  small  canister (urn)  of  ashes.  I  phoned  a
 couple  of funeral  parlours in  my  area  who  directed me  to  the
 crematorium operators to  answer  my  queries.   Their  answers seem  to
 dodge my question.  as  to  whether  the  body  was  removed  and
 the casket   resold (  recycled) ?.maybe  you  could  illuminate
  me



Re: [Goanet] Tradition of Mhar or Zudev celebration on 23rd June every year

2013-06-01 Thread Venantius J Pinto
Dear Radharao,
Very interesting. Would you know whether or not this ritual was brought on
from the time of the Inquisition. Or originated perhaps by an over zealous
prelate/ a zealot. Is Judeo/v also also employed to disambiguate (at least
in the past) to suggest something else.

: ) And yet Goan daughters are named Salome. Have not come yet across a
Herodias.


venantius j pinto




 Message: 9

Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2013 16:03:32 +0530
 From: radharao gracias graciasradha...@gmail.com
 To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!
 goanet@lists.goanet.org
 Subject: Re: [Goanet] Tradition of Mhar or Zudev celebration on 23rd
 June every year


 Kill the Jew is part of the historical anti Jewish tirade of
 Christianity. The practice was observed in Goa on 23rd of June, i.e. on the
 eve of the Feast of St.John the Baptist. The date is significant and
 relates to the imprisonment and beheading of St.John the Baptist by King
 Herod of the Jews. Kill the Jew is reprisal for the slaying of St.John
 the Baptist !



Re: [Goanet] Tradition of Mhar or Zudev celebration on 23rd June every year

2013-06-01 Thread Eddie Fernandes
From: radharao gracias
Kill the Jew is part of the historical anti Jewish tirade of Christianity.
The practice was observed in Goa on 23rd of June, i.e. on the eve of the
Feast of St. John the Baptist.

Response:

Headline: India cancels 'antisemitic' festival
Source: The Jerusalem Post. 12 July 1995 

Text: The Indian government has withdrawn funding from the Christian
celebration of Judeo, a local custom which has antisemitic overtones. 

Judeo is traditionally celebrated on June 23 every year. But the Clube
Nationale in Panaji, Goa, didn't mark the event this year. Club president
Francisco Martins said that several Goan citizens had protested against the
celebrations. While pointing out that most people were unaware that the
festival was antisemitic, Martins said: We feel this is a positive step as
we do not have anything against the Jews. 

Judeo's origins go back to Portugal's 450 years of colonial rule over Goa.
On the eve of the feast of John the Baptist, a procession would consign a
straw-and-cloth effigy to a bonfire amid cheers. 

Local political sources speculate that India's decision is due to the recent
normalization of ties with Israel.
===

 

On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 12:40 AM, Alfred de Tavares 
alfredtava...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Eric, I think there is an inadvertant miss' infra, as our jc would say...

 Should'nt it rather be 'mar'.

 'Mhar' is a cobbler or bamboo-worker by profession  which, 
 lamentably, places the group as untouchable---casteless;

 Whereas, 'mar' is (to) kill; 'mar zudev/zudev mar' thus rendering it 
 as kill (the) Jew.

 Although casteless, there was never any bitterness/animosity vs the 
 shoe- or
 baset- makers, in Goa, unless, woebegone, one of them dared enter a 
 Hindu brahmin house through the front door, enter a Hindu temple by 
 whichever door or even cross the shadow of a H. brahmin, however 
 tainted the later may be...

 Oh...I forgot, if the poor devil dared use a village well...he/mostly, 
 she was done for.

 Chacha...trying to impress (a bit) on his knowledge of 'castology'.



  Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 22:58:05 -0700
  From: ericpin...@yahoo.com
  To: joego...@yahoo.co.uk; goanet@lists.goanet.org
  Subject: [Goanet] Tradition of Mhar or Zudev celebration on 23rd 
  June
 every   year
 
 
 
Kill the Jew !   The practice is banned. Israel had issued a 
  formal protest to the Foreign Ministry several
  years ago. The government in Goa then responded.eric.
 
 
 
  On the 23rd June every year, a day before Sao Joao, we also 
  celebrated
 'mhar' or 'zudev', an old man made up of straw (with pant, shirt, 
 shoes, hat etc) sitted on a chair, we carried him house to house where 
 we used these pidde to hit or strike the ground saying 'Mhar re, Zud 
 re, ku, ku, ku'. This was a tradition in salcette, don't know it's 
 significance though (Zudev also mean Judev).




Re: [Goanet] Tradition of Mhar or Zudev celebration on 23rd June every year

2013-06-01 Thread lino dourado
Amgem mhar Dabolecho
Tumgem mhar Mopacho
Ku re ku



From: radharao gracias graciasradha...@gmail.com
To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org 
Sent: Saturday, June 1, 2013 1:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Tradition of Mhar or Zudev celebration on 23rd June every 
year


Kill the Jew is part of the historical anti Jewish tirade of
Christianity. The practice was observed in Goa on 23rd of June, i.e. on the
eve of the Feast of St.John the Baptist. The date is significant and
relates to the imprisonment and beheading of St.John the Baptist by King
Herod of the Jews. Kill the Jew is reprisal for the slaying of St.John
the Baptist !


Re: [Goanet] Tradition of Mhar or Zudev celebration on 23rd June every year

2013-06-01 Thread Venantius J Pinto
The strong possibility to consider is that fallen apostle Judas Iscariot
(Jud), who was a Jew (Judeo Dhormacho). Jude, Judah, Judas all come from
the same root). Now if Mar Judeo came before the Inquisition in
Goa (1560/61-1774) then in all probability the ritual Mar Judev(o) got
compounded with the latter. It could go the other way too. But then one may
be able to possibly find the date the ritual began in Church or Confraeria
records.

Could it also be that Jud/ev is/was also an euphemism in Konkanim. Then
there are these phrases to think upon:  Mar Jud, Mar Judev. Mhar Judev In
the above placement, its as though the aggression builds up! Something
seems to be missing. See: Mar Judevak, Mhar Judevak, Mar Judevank...

Another conflation could be the Mar with Mhar (Mahar), and I would not be
shocked if there is more to this. Many of our festivals albeit less
obviously so, now are collaborative, so this rituals could have had similar
antecedents, to mean participatory. It may have something to do with Jews,
Inquisition, and Judases; while also something learnt under the banner of
the Inquisition.

My Grand uncle was Padre, Alvaro Lodovico Figueiredo (missionar: Karwar,
Dharvar, Parish Priest of Raibandar, on radio, etc). He breathed his last
at the Clergy Home in Porvorim. I am not speculating across the board but
talking from my faint memory / what I heard as a child in Batim. I had a
frightening memory until I was felled. But thats a another story.

NOTEs: There were two Judas' among the twelve. The other was
Thaddeus/Jude/Judas (patron of Hopeless causes/ ses) and a son of James.
Then there is a third Judas, but nothing to do with the twelve, and
encountered at a later time.

venantius j pinto


Message: 1
 Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 21:10:24 +0200
 From: Alfred de Tavares alfredtava...@hotmail.com
 To: Eric Pinto ericpin...@yahoo.com, Joe GoaUk
 joego...@yahoo.co.uk, GOANET Lists goanet@lists.goanet.org
 Subject: Re: [Goanet] Tradition of Mhar or Zudev celebration on 23rd
 June every year


 Eric, I think there is an inadvertant miss' infra, as our jc would say...

 Should'nt it rather be 'mar'.

 'Mhar' is a cobbler or bamboo-worker by profession  which, lamentably,
 places the group as untouchable---casteless;

 Whereas, 'mar' is (to) kill; 'mar zudev/zudev mar' thus rendering it as
 kill (the) Jew.

 Although casteless, there was never any bitterness/animosity vs the shoe-
 or
 baset- makers, in Goa, unless, woebegone, one of them dared enter a Hindu
 brahmin house through the front door, enter a Hindu temple by whichever
 door or even cross the shadow of a H. brahmin, however tainted the later
 may
 be...

 Oh...I forgot, if the poor devil dared use a village well...he/mostly, she
 was done
 for.

 Chacha...trying to impress (a bit) on his knowledge of 'castology'.



[Goanet] Goa news for June 2, 2013

2013-06-01 Thread Goanet News Service
Goa News from Google News and Goanet.org
Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories.

*** 120 jail inmates suffer food poisoning in Goa - Times of
India
Probe-ordered-into-Goa-prison-food-poisoning-.htmlProbe
ordered into Goa prison food poisoning
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=tfd=Rusg=AFQjCNFylyR9WebWu10WcPP9uWM9VAGyswurl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/120-jail-inmates-suffer-food-poisoning-in-Goa/articleshow/20366034.cms

*** Services beats Goa in Hockey India Senior Men National
Championship - The Hindu
 in their first league match of Pool C played at Shiv
Chattrapati Sports Complex in Pune on Saturday. Services scored
through Siraju AP (7, 13, 25, 26, 32, 61 min), Ved Prakash (16,
69 min), ...
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=tfd=Rusg=AFQjCNEquJnHVdUXuL1jLPKMMMgSHArFSwurl=http://www.thehindu.com/sport/hockey/services-beats-goa-in-hockey-india-senior-men-national-championship/article4772525.ece

*** IPL spot-fixing: Goa, Assam Cricket Associations urge N
Srinivasan to quit - Daily News  Analysis
ixing scandal.
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=tfd=Rusg=AFQjCNEjDB4n5uUISpDgRNQC0ebWgav8Swurl=http://www.dnaindia.com/sport/1841435/report-ipl-spot-fixing-goa-assam-cricket-associations-urge-n-srinivasan-to-quit

*** Goa govt to seek CBI's help to crack Vasco rape case - Daily
News  Analysis
ear-old girl inside a school toilet in January. The
investigations have hit a dead wall as the case could not be
solved, state Chief Minister Manohar Parrikar said on ...
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=tfd=Rusg=AFQjCNHSaTHNOd-3UllRxbglqSbuhVS2MAurl=http://www.dnaindia.com/india/1841368/report-goa-govt-to-seek-cbi-s-help-to-crack-vasco-rape-case

*** Goa higher secondary schools to hike intake capacity - Zee
News
HeQBPMned=usand more »
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=tfd=Rusg=AFQjCNHtp60oW--HiES4Zb8SL4pxzDLu3Qurl=http://zeenews.india.com/news/goa/goa-higher-secondary-schools-to-hike-intake-capacity_852246.html

*** NIT-Goa to come up at Cuncolim - Times of India
mes of IndiaPANAJI: Land spanning from Cuncolim to Balli has
been identified by the Goa government for setting up a National
institute of technology (NIT) in the state, said sources. On
Friday, after Union minister for human resources development M M
Pallam Raju ...a class=
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=tfd=Rusg=AFQjCNHWpI57IOwWlrFEG65hMdeun7XQlwurl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/NIT-Goa-to-come-up-at-Cuncolim/articleshow/20387798.cms

*** Heavy rains lash most parts of Goa - Times of India
CnjMned=us
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=tfd=Rusg=AFQjCNH4KeVak3nPG3pFw6C5Sc1qIKQe4gurl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/Heavy-rains-lash-most-parts-of-Goa/articleshow/20378445.cms

*** The Goa Dossier: Ghats Of Perdition - Outlook
athed beaches, colourfully shacked and tourist-speckled. Happy,
prosperous Goa, where everything seems to be nice. And it's the
state with the highest per capita GDP to boot. But wait, there's
another Goa too, its emerald greenery raked away ...a class=
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=tfd=Rusg=AFQjCNFQC6g5DsWTKnAXFMTw1Um_SI215gurl=http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?285769

*** 'Monsoon may hit Goa before June 7' - Times of India
mes of IndiaPANAJI: Most parts of the state received heavy
rainfall on Saturday morning and if all goes well, the onset of
the southwest monsoon over Goa may be a couple of days earlier
than as expected on June 7. The monsoon advanced over Kerala on
June 1 and ...a class=
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=tfd=Rusg=AFQjCNFKubWzQhR97P0kj2omYJooOY6fxAurl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/Monsoon-may-hit-Goa-before-June-7/articleshow/20387841.cms

*** Goa travel and tourism MBA draws students from Karnataka -
Times of India
4. With a booming ...a class=
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=tfd=Rusg=AFQjCNEJ2u9BtRbe-XbSIJMXAgaTuBgP7Aurl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/Goa-travel-and-tourism-MBA-draws-students-from-Karnataka/articleshow/20365220.cms


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Re: [Goanet] Coconut

2013-06-01 Thread Mervyn Lobo
joe lobo wrote:
 Your  description  of  Barbados  sounds  like  a  mixture  of  old 
 Zanzibar, Goa  and heaven.my  question  :--is  it 
 an  expensive  tourist  trap  like  any  of  the  other  Carribean  islands 
 or  is  it  affordable to  a middle  class  person  like  myself?   For  one 
 thing  it  is  closer  than  the  rather  long  20  hour air   journey to 
 Goa and  the  irritation  of  a  visa  visit  to  the  Indian  consulate in 
 TO  !!


Juju,
Obtaining a visa for India in Toronto is not an irritation. The process, to me, 
is the height of frustration. I have never been able to obtain one without at 
least three visits to the office. I check on the website for every requirement 
and yet, when I get there, there is another new requirement that has not been 
updated on their website. 

Secondly, they do not accept debit cards, credit cards or cash. The consulate 
demands a money order or postal order as payment. The guy I buy samosa's from, 
on the street corner, accepts a debit card payment for six samosa's or  $4.50.

After you satisfy the Indian consulate with all the documents they require, 
they tell you to return a day later to collect the visa i.e. one has to take 
two days or more off work just to get an Indian visa. Only the very adamant 
traveller will agree to such treatment. The rest, and especially the more 
affluent, will simply pick another country for their vacation.


As far as Barbadoes is concerned, they have free and compulsory education till 
grade 12 and almost 100% literacy. Their transparency index or level of 
corruption is as good or better than Canada's. Some of the beaches there have 
pink coloured sand. Barbadoes does not come cheap. The costs of shooting a wild 
boar in Barbadoes - left behind by the Portuguese - is far more than the cost 
of shooting a Dik Dik in Tanzania. I will agree though that wild boar tastes 
much better.


As for the most value for your dollar, my choice is Cuba. Old town Havana is 
more than reminiscent of Zanzibar. More importantly, there are no loud US 
vacationers there. The natives are real friendly although they are becoming 
more commercial every year.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/45002663@N00/sets/72157633867406564/

Mervyn1650



[Goanet] OFFTOPIC: Priest, Author, Scholar, Scold (obituary, Andrew M Greeley, 85) (NYT)

2013-06-01 Thread Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا
Andrew M. Greeley, 1928-2013

Priest, Author, Scholar, Scold

By PETER STEINFELS

Andrew M. Greeley, the Roman Catholic priest and writer whose outpouring of
sociological research, contemporary theology, sexually frank novels and
newspaper columns challenged reigning assumptions about American
Catholicism, was found dead on Thursday morning at his home in Chicago. He
was 85

Exuberantly combative, he could be scathing about the nation’s Roman
Catholic bishops; at one point he described them as “morally,
intellectually and religiously bankrupt.” If the church wanted “to salvage
American Catholicism,” he wrote, it would be well advised to retire “a
considerable number of mitered birdbrains.”

But he could be equally critical of secular intellectuals, whom he accused
of being prejudiced against religion, and reform-minded Catholics, who he
said had a weakness for political or cultural fads.

He wrote more than 120 books, many published by university presses, and
countless articles about Catholic theology in both sociological journals
and general-interest magazines, often incorporating the latest scholarship.
He wrote op-ed pieces and syndicated columns in both religious and secular
publications

In fact, most of the priests in his novels were virtuous, wise and
hard-working. The big sex scenes were generally reserved for married
couples rediscovering the redemptive healing of passion after trials and
estrangement...

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/31/us/andrew-m-greeley-outspoken-priest-dies-at-85.html?pagewanted=all_r=0

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