Re: [Goanet] Goanet Reader: Having a Servant Is Not a Right
On Dec 22, 2013, at 11:31 PM, augusto pinto wrote: "I hope point # 3 that I made above is NOW within the ambit of your comprehension. Having said this, I should make it clear that I do think that domestic workers should also be afforded a minimum wage by law to prevent exploitation, although I suspect that this is easier said than done. ---Response: Thank you Prof Pinto for clarifying your statement. I am happy to note that you, too, are NOW effectively agreeing with Ananya in that ' IF one cannot afford a helper, one should do the work oneself.' You will agree no doubt that this discussion arose out of the Devyani/New York case. Just for reference sake, the following might be useful to know ;"The General Industry Minimum Wage Act states that employers MUST pay all employees in New York State, including most domestic workers, at least $7.25 per hour " Thank you for stressing that the Minimum Wage Act where you live, does not cover domestic workers. Explains why these Desi "maharanis" believe they can treat domestic help the way they do. Considering that a good number of domestic helpers are female, I would have thought that the Women's Rights Activists would have said and done something about it. Has anybody heard or read from the 'Women's Groups' in India about this? jc
Re: [Goanet] Goanet Reader: Having a Servant Is Not a Right
It isn't surprising that those who work at Indian consulates are paid low. Some years ago one of the staffers told me that she was paid so and so, which is pitiful for the work she was doing and asked her why she's not able to process things fast. She said the consulate was short-staffed. I raised the question with the then consul-general and he said he had sent to the MEA regarding pay-scales to the staffers and that the MEA said it was not going to increase the scales. I'm not sure if the consulate was paying the staffers then Canadian minimum wages or lower than that. Most of the these, I believe, were Indians who migrated recently to Canada or Canadians of Indian origin. Since the diplomat case has come into the media, we now know how much she's is officially paid, not considering the food and lodging which could part of the contract under US law. It's also all over the media landscape how Devyani's father, Uttam, had been involved in controversy when he was BEST chairman and he got the flat and gifted land for his daughter. It's not surprising that today the daughters and sons of those whose mothers toiled or worked as maids in the Middle East homes have themselves got sevants imported directly from Goa. These housemaids and paid "Goa rates", which may be par on Indian rates. In most cases they are paid less than the contracted salaries. I most of some cases in Dubai. One of the maid servants told me how much she was paid and I told the relatives of the employer that the maid must be paid more for the work she does. It's exploitation, I said. My words fell on deaf years. In a couple of years the maid servant left as she was tired taking care of three young boys and also cooking and tending the house . Similarly, a relative's housemaid went back to Goa. In Goa, I was showed the bank account book by the person's relative to show how much the maid was paid in Indian rupees. Shocking, to say the least. She was promised much more. I wanted to raise the issue with the person but the maid's relative said not to because my relative would know how told me. It's a given fact that Goan maids, maids in general are paid less, in the Middle East, though I speak largely of Dubai and Abu Dhabi. I think all maids coming to Dubai have to be registered with the consulate. So is the case with the Phillipino maids who must be get approval or be registered with their respective consulate. There are too many cases of maids being abused by their male employers and even their women employers. It's good that the Philipines and the Indian consulates have taken some measures to protect the respective maids. Some years ago many Goan maids made it to Canada under special category. After working for their bosses for couple of years they left the service and applied for immigrant status. I think most of them succeeded. I know of couple of cases. The Devyani-Sangeeta issue is complicated. Mind you, the media also informs us that Devyani is a "dalit" who rose up and became a medical doctor. However, she went into IFS and she's is where she's now. It looks fishy why the Indian government moved her to UN. How this case will be solved or if it would further escalate the diplomatic stand-off between US and India is to be seen. The US isn't backing off because maybe it has solid evidence of wrong-doing on the part of Devyani. If not, given the good relations between the two countries, the case could have been closed with Devyani asked to leave US. Eugene
[Goanet] Dr. Manohar Parrikar and his tablets
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[Goanet] Income support or job seekers allowance (in UK)
Income support or job seekers allowance (in UK) Besides UK Nationals, anybody with EU passport could get weekly unemployment allowances. But the rules changed mid 90s. There came ‘habitual residency test’, ‘means test’ etc and as such it had become difficult to claim income support by those who never resided or worked in the UK or in the EU for that matter. Which also means, those Goans who came straight to UK after acquiring Portuguese passport in Goa could not get income support. However, they and others could get other benefits like family credit, child benefit housing benefit, some even got council houses. If you live with your relatives, you don’t usually get housing benefit Going by some recent posts here (Goanet), it appears that anybody can get jobseekers allowance including those new landing there directly from Goa. Can anybody from UK confirm on this? joego...@yahoo.co.uk for Goa & NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
[Goanet] Latest on Goanspirit.com
*NEW* *December 23-29, 2013* *Abhishek Engineers robs River Zuari of 3,850 sq mt* ……..AN EXAMPLE OF THE OWNER UDAY NAIK’s mocking the law is this classic case. In October 2010, the Goa Coastal Zone Management Authority (GCZMA) following a decision it took at a meeting held on January 15, 2010, specifically approved (GCZMA/S/09-10 dt. 27.10.10) the size of the barge repair workshop blocks to be: Block A – 9.68 x 3.30 mt; Block B – 11.65 x 3.20 mt; the area entirely in Survey no. 16/6 of Dabolim village. Naik, however simply ignored this. The words GCZMA used in its approval letter were “temporary workshop” and “All temporary G.I structure/sheds Block A and B”.. Full story: http://goanspirit.com/index.php/lion-roars/lion-roars-2013/437-lion-roars-33 *Ciao Bella* Quality above quantity: that’s the motto of Antonio and Marina Iachella’s Italian Taste Pvt. Ltd, which launched in October. And that is also the cornerstone of this Italian couple’s small business where they depend on word of mouth rather than on spreading their lasagnes and pastas on shelves in supermarkets to bring in customers. They have three licences from the Goa government and are not looking over the shoulder like many foreign visitors in Goa who turn to enterprise without the requisite certification. Full story: http://goanspirit.com/index.php/travel/good-living/438-ciao-bella *Dirty Dancing - 4* The state has also reported trafficking for labour. Recently a Goa based North-East association rescued 16 Assamese and Naga labourers who were illegally trafficked to work in Goa's controversial mining sector. The North-East Association of Goa (NEAG) tracked down 16 people working in pathetic conditions in forested mining areas. In May 2012, a consultation was organised in Goa in which eight states including Goa established a network of government agencies, police and non-governmental organizations to collaborate in combating trafficking of girls for commercial sexual exploitation. These states have agreed to work closely in helping to quickly repatriate and rehabilitate the trafficked girls to their home states apart from sharing of information. The states included Maharashtra, Karnataka, Andhra Pradesh, Nagaland, Assam, Mizoram, Manipur and West Bengal. Full story: http://goanspirit.com/index.php/lead/426-dirty-dancing-4 *Teens binge drink at Christmas* Alcohol consumption among teenagers between the ages of 14 to 19, triples during Christmas and New Year’s Eve, especially in cities like Delhi-NCR, Mumbai, Goa, Bangalore, Chandigarh, says the ASSOCHAM Social Development Foundation (ASDF). The survey conducted on more than 1,500 teenagers (14 to 19 years) and 1,000 in the age group 20 to 29, revealed this shocking detail: a quarter of respondents reported blowing up between Rs. 1,000 and Rs. 10,000 only on alcohol during Christmas and New Year’s eve celebrations. One-third of Delhiites consume alcohol three times a week during the festive season, the survey found. The major cities in which respondents were interviewed include Mumbai, *Goa*, Cochin, Bangalore, Hyderabad, Ahmedabad, Kolkata, Delhi-NCR, Chandigarh and Dehra Dun and interestingly it was observed that consumption of liquor is more in vogue in Delhi-NCR, followed by Mumbai, *Goa*, Chandigarh and Bangalore. “Peer pressure, plenty of pocket money and absentee parents mean the drinking age is dropping in metros. There has been a marked increase in alcohol consumption among teenagers and it is strongly influenced by males in the family”. Full story: http://goanspirit.com/index.php/footprint-india/439-teens-binge-drink-at-christmas -- Lionel Messias Editor, *Goan Spirit*, *Goa's Spirited Online Weekly Magazine.* Website:www.goanspirit.com Worked for the best: Goa Today, Gomantak Times, Herald, Mid-Day, The Pioneer, Indian Express (Bangalore), Economic Times (Chennai, Hyderabad), Newstime (Hyderabad), Gulf News (Hyderabad) 125-E, Bellem, Velsao, P.O. Cansaulim, Goa 403712 Tel: 0832-2884484 Mob:9822152164
[Goanet] Featured This Week: Jazz Musician, Educator & Journalist: Anne Farnsworth "Sealed With A Kiss"
(http://www.cdbaby.com/Artist/AnneFarnsworth) (http://s102.photobucket.com/user/womanofjazz/media/BorderNavidadSpc.gif.html) FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: ANNE FARNSWORTH SEALED WITH A KISS Jazz pianist and vocalist Anne Farnsworth’s latest release is Sealed With A Kiss, a collection of '60s and ‘70s pop and rock tunes she’s transformed with her arrangements into jazz. Along with her impressive singing and playing style, her rhythm section bandmates are key to the recording’s excellence. Master fretless bassist Alphonso Johnson and drummer Ndugu Chancler showcase the talents that led them to supporting bands like Santana and Weather Report. Tenor saxophonist Doug Webb appears on five of the tracks, with guitarist Steve Trovato on two. The 13 tracks were recorded in high res and are available in FLAC format, as well as mp3 and CD. Sealed With A Kiss pays loving homage to classic artists as stylistically diverse as Jimi Hendrix and Shelly Fabares. Farnsworth has found a recipe, a novel format for transforming these well-known favorites. Anne sings with a rich, flexible voice, supremely elegant, using her large range tastefully and without histrionics. On piano, she accompanies herself with dense, full-bodied chords and lyrical solos. Expansive tonal color and a full range of emotions are highlights of her musical style. "...Sealed With A Kiss is a stunning collection of '60s rock tunes arranged for a jazz quartet." ~ HDTracks.com “Anne Farnsworth is a jazz diva...”~ Jan Hocek - Jazzport.cz "'60's Pop and Rock tunes arranged for jazz quartet? Sign me up!" ~ Christopher Levine - Eclecticblogs.com "Love what you've done with the music. I’m spotlighting Sealed With A Kiss everyday this weekit's that good."~ James Janisse - kebnradio.com "Anne Farnsworth's calling cards are standards and modern pop - combining tasteful improvisation with lyrical imagination and a pinch of humor."~ La Stampa, Turin, Italy "Her arrangements and performances transform such songs as “How Can I Be Sure,” “Until You Come Back To Me,” “Here, There And Everywhere” and even “Johnny Angel” into jazz without losing the essence of the pop melodies. To those of us who have always avoided pop music, these songs will sound like new material!" ~ Scott Yanow – LA Jazz Scene Contact: Andrea North JazzMedia Press i...@jazzmediapress.com (http://www.cdbaby.com/Artist/AnneFarnsworth) (http://www.cdbaby.com/Artist/AnneFarnsworth) (http://www.cdbaby.com/Artist/AnneFarnsworth) (http://www.cdbaby.com/Artist/AnneFarnsworth) (http://www.cdbaby.com/Artist/AnneFarnsworth) (http://www.annefarnsworthmusic.com) (http://www.annefarnsworthmusic.com) (http://www.annefarnsworthmusic.com) CLICK HERE TO VISIT THE OFFICIAL ANNE FARNSWORTH WEBSITE (http://www.annefarnsworthmusic.com) Visit THE JAZZ NETWORK WORLDWIDE "A GREAT PLACE TO HANG" at: http://www.thejazznetworkworldwide.com/?xg_source=msg_mes_network To control which emails you receive on THE JAZZ NETWORK WORLDWIDE "A GREAT PLACE TO HANG", or to opt-out, go to: http://www.thejazznetworkworldwide.com/profiles/profile/emailSettings?xg_source=msg_mes_network
[Goanet] Season's Greetings !
Christmas is a time when one remembers friends and loved ones. This message comes to you & to your family, from the *JKS family*, to let you know that you are remembered fondly and gratefully for your Love, Support & Companionship in our tedious journey. MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A PROSPEROUS, HAPPY & A PEACEFUL NEW YEAR ! *Eric Ozario* Secretary General -- JKS - Global Konkani Organization Kalaangann, Makale, Shaktinagar, Mangalore - 575 016 Ph - 824 - 2232377
Re: [Goanet] Experience at Jet Airways
On Dec 21, 2013, at 3:37 PM, Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão wrote: (1) "Surely, no one who resides in countries which ban certain product imports would attempt to bring the product in the country. Neither would the airlines who know the country rules would permit it." (2) " What we are discussing is exactly the opposite; that a carrier refuses to transport to a destination country that permits the cargo." Dear Dr. Falcão, wrt (1) : I disagree. Our Goans are still trying to swing Goa sausages into the US. And, they are long time US citizens. wrt (2) : there must be a reason. Best for the airline involved to explain why. Perhaps unrelated but I know of many Sashitacars who have no problem with fisherwomen bringing their catch into the bus - as they travel from Baradi to Margao; I know others who would. . jc
Re: [Goanet] With ban on mining activity, Pissurlem returns to farming
Wow. That is great news. This is the real way towards real and sustainable development! - Original Message - From: samir umarye To: bicholim-...@googlegroups.com ; Rajesh Chodankar ; Goa Net ; goanet@lists.goanet.org ; Vishant Vaze ; write2vishant Sent: Monday, December 23, 2013 1:52 AM Subject: With ban on mining activity, Pissurlem returns to farming -- Samir Umarye BICHOLIM: Switching over to another livelihood is never an easy option and returning to an occupation after a gap of 20 long years is even more difficult, especially when the two occupations differ sharply from one another. People from mining- affected areas at Pissurlem in Honda- Sattari have resumed farming activity after a gap of about 20 years and acknowledging the difficulties in this transition, the deputy collector has convened a meeting with the farmers on December 27 to address and resolve their problems and challenges. It may be stated that Pissurlem is a mining affected area where farming was one of the prominent occupations for a number of generations. “ There was a time when about 150 farmers cultivated this land and dairy farming was also one of the important secondary occupations in the area,” ex- Pissurlem sarpanch Vishwasrao Desai told Herald. With the arrival of mining activities, a number of farms in Pissurlem were left uncultivated for past over 20 years as farmers abandoned their traditional professions in 1994 and switched over to the more lucrative mining- related activities. Their fields were further affected when silt from t h e nearby mining c o m - p a• y entered into the fields and the only relief for the affected was some compensation from the mining company. These mining activities came to a grinding halt last year and the locals were left with neither mining nor farming activity in Pissurlem for their livelihood. In a desperate bid to make ends meet, locals in Pissurlem then decided to return to their age- old profession by cultivating their fallow fields. Although wells dried in the village due to mining activities, forcing villagers to rely on water from tankers, the villagers are fortunate as a lake that lies in close proximity to their fields survived the onslaught of mining activity. Some locals decided to take up farming once again after mining came to a grinding halt and sought the assistance of an unlikely ally: a mining company. “ The farmers came together and with the help of the panchayat and the mining company, fenced about 5 acres of land for cultivation. We have about 90 acres of land and we have begun cultivation on 5 acres of land so far. This is just the first step and by next year, we hope to cultivate the entire stretch with the help of the locals and the support of the government,” said Desai. “ We have already submitted a memorandum to the deputy collector demanding to de- silt the lake and the springs so that next year, we can take up farming at a larger scale.” Hanumant Parab, another villager, stated that the mining company would be asked to divert water from the mining pits so it could be used for farming. Locals of Pissurlem in the taluka of Honda- Sattari return to farming activity after a gap of 20 years, ever since mining activity came to a halt due the ban on the same. samir umarye bicholim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Bicholim Goa" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to bicholim-goa+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to bicholim-...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bicholim-goa. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[Goanet] The Choir Choir ... at KA, on January 4, 2014
Kala Academy College Choir, formed one year ago, is to perform at a one-hour concert at the Black Box on January 4, 2014 at 6.30 pm. Bach, Purcell, Handel, Spiritual, Folk Songs. Open to the public and free. All are invite. -- FN Phone +91-832-2409490 Mobile +91-9822122436
[Goanet] Goans Leaving Goa - Seeking Citizenship Elsewhere
Apparently many Goans are seeking to leaving Goa via various avenues, the most opted avenues was by the way of acquiring a Portugeese Passport. In my view, yes this is a clear failure of India towards Goa/Goans after invading the state in 1961 and making false promises. However with saying that, I believe that Goans have an obligation to preserve their state and identity, and not to turn their back on Goa. I appreciate that there are those who leave for economic reasons due to the failure of the Indian Government and successive Goa Government Failures (including the current one); but what's really sad is that even economically well off Goans are deserting their motherland. With the winds of change sweeping thru India on corruption etc there could be strong possibility that we Goans can use this change to have Goa as we would like to be, unfortunately Goans as always, lack in vision and always prefer the easy way out; I wonder if in the end is it really a better life they are going for or is it a mirage? Today are many outsiders who are ready to pay huge amounts to buy land in Goa, but small minded Goans are selling off their valuable properties , really sorry state of affairs with the Goan Mentality and love for their State/Identity!! -- Please post your comments on my Blog: http://goanidentity.blogspot.com/ Please also see below: 1. Benaulim Village Action Committee: http://www.bvacbenaulim.blogspot.com/ 2. "Rape of Goa" : http://www.parrikar.com/blog/the-rape-of-goa/ 3. MAND - an adivasi-rights resource centre : http://mandgoa.blogspot.com/ 4. EVERY GOAN SHOULD SEE THIS VIDEO: http://infochangeindia.org/Infochange-documentary.html 5. Goa's Identity Movement group on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com//#/group.php?gid=193497031686 6. Official Government Site NRI Office (GOA): http://www.globalgoans.org.in/
Re: [Goanet] Facts that unite Goan Indians
Since Falcao likes to only see pictures on the internet as proof, here is a map of the Portuguese territories in India in the 1600s showing the island of Goa: http://www.colonialvoyage.com/eng/asia/india/goa/images/foto2.jpg This map of the island of Goa appears in the Livro das plantas das fortalezas, citades e provoaçoes do Estado da India Oriental com as descriçoes do maritimo dos Reinos e Provincias onde estão situadas e oultros portos principais daquelas partes (circa 1620-40). Cheers, Santosh On Saturday, December 21, 2013 11:39 AM, Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão wrote: > > Santosh Helekar chimbelcho at yahoo.com on Fri Dec 20 > 07:15:27 PST 2013 wrote: > > Here is accurate information for the benefit of Falcao and > others regarding the use by the Portuguese of the term "island of > Goa" or "ilha de Goa" to refer only to the island of Tiswadi > even as late as 1736… > > Edital of the Inquisition (14th April 1736) > > I would kindly request Falcao to translate the above… > > > COMMENT > > Shri. > Helekar, How accurate is your "Inquisition" ? or for that matter the > author of "Edital of the Inquisition? > > > Can you > tell us now on what basis you claim to propagate “accurate information”? > > Have you > provided us link to your “accurate” site? Or the site you reproduce your > “credible” quote? > Or as usual, they are in > books in your possession?Shri. Helekar, Sure I will provide you with a > string > of translations herein below on "Ilha de Goa": > > > http://www.geographic.org/geographic_names/name.php?uni=-485365&fid=4207&c=mozambique > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/zug55/8153785175/ > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/zug55/8153782195/ > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/zug55/8153790747/ > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4MpDoHzr-o > > http://www.panoramio.com/photo/91064602 > > http://mz.geoview.info/in_dhow_verso_la_ilha_de_goa,10480906p > > http://www.unc.edu/~rowlett/lighthouse/photos/Africa/GoaMOZ/GoaMOZ.htm > > ETC…. ETC… a > thousand more sites if one googles. > > Can Shri. > Helekar tell all how “accurate” his accuracy is? > > > > Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão. >
Re: [Goanet] Santosh Helekar and international law
Cyrusbab, The original discussion and argument that I participated in was about citizenship and nationality. You are now imagining the argument to be something else and putting words in my mouth in the process. I have presented facts to back up my claim that the vast majority of people living in Goa today have Indian citizenship and nationality as recorded in all documents accepted for national and international transactions. I have also submitted that these people do not have any problem with this status or the underlying history. I have also made the claim that the island of Goa, and the territories of Salcete, Bardez, Ponda, Canacona, Sanguem, Pernem, Satari, Sanquelim and Bicholim, which together were referred to by the Portuguese as the State of India or Estado da India right from the time of their conquest, have always been physically part of the geographical region called India. Now, if you have any facts that contradict the above statements of mine please feel free to present them. But please do not put any more words in my mouth and erect straw men to shoot down at my cost. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and the rest of the Goanetters as well! Cheers, Santosh > On Monday, December 23, 2013 1:12 AM, Cyrus A. Jose Sanches > wrote: > > Santosh Bab, > I have refrained from this discussion as I did not wish to turn a discussion > into an argument. You have taken a stand and unfortunately in trying to prove > yourself right you have missed the bus. Please stop flogging a dead horse. > The > 'accurate information' may be accurate but in the present day and > especially after the UN charter of 1947 which India is a signatory to, your > information amounts to 'mis- information' > Please read the following regarding India's annexation of Goa. Please > google. > Bear in mind Operation Vijay occured on 19th Dec 1961 > 1) "Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and > Peoples > Adopted by the UN General Assembly Resolution 1514 (XV), 14 December 1960" > 2) > http://books.google.co.in/books?id=zd5nwF7o3_8C&pg=PA287&lpg=PA287&dq=annexation+of+goa&source=bl&ots=jeuwfnknpN&sig=CVXsbOxoWmF0kM_HGarAHlEPkUc&hl=en&sa=X&ei=-ou3UuXCMYuPrgeukYDADA&ved=0CCkQ6AEwADgU#v=onepage&q=annexation%20of%20goa&f=false > The above link is to a book By Alina Kaczorowska > 3) Regarding the 1962 act of GOI you refer to earlier. Please read Article 49 > of > the Fourth Geneva Convention. > 4) US President Kennedy told the Indian ambassador to the US, “You spend the > last fifteen years preaching morality to us, and then you go ahead and act > the > way any normal country would behave People are saying, the preacher has > been > caught coming out of the brothel.” > 5) The New York Times on 19 December 1961, stated "With his invasion of Goa > Prime Minister Nehru has done irreparable damage to India's good name and to > the principles of international morality." > 6) The USSR supported India and vetoed the UN resolution in the security > council. Brezhnev happened to be touring India at the time of operation > Vijay. > There is more then enough information to prove without doubt that India was > in > breach of The UN Charter and unfortunately set a precedence. > The GOI annexed Goa not for any love of the Goan People, but to prevent the > US > from gaining a deep water port in the India Ocean. The " Liberation" > was an annexation. India had no intention of liberating Goa. India wanted the > Port of Goa for its strategic location. Period. > You are mixing two issues > 1) Did India commit aggression on Goa? > 2) Is Goa historically a part of India? > Your contention that Goa is a part of India and as such India has the right > to > annex Goa is wrong as the UN charter of 1947 clearly puts an end to all such > ideas, concepts and actions by Governments, the Charter accepts the land > areas > of all countries as final from the day the Charter came into effect. > This charter was operational, effective and signed by India. Therefore as per > the UN and International law India committed an act of aggression. > During the Liberation of Goa, the Sikh battalion involved were so joyous they > liberated a number of Goans of their possessions, vehicles, and underwear. > They > were punished by the Indian Army. > 2) Historically Goa has never been a part of India. As India became a nation > in > 1947. the so called Boundaries of 'India' you refer to kept changing > depending on the whims and fancies of various rulers across much of recorded > history. Infact the Mughals were Pathan, and the Adil Shah was Persian. There > was a lot of mix and match going on in India and the world, before the UN > came > into existence. Especially after World War 2 the loss of life prompted world > leaders to end aggression in every form and solidify boundaries, so that wars > and Aggression would end. Nations would know their boundaries and respect the
[Goanet] Keeping servants
Why do you need a servant ? If each one of us learn to do our own work then there is no need of hiring a servant. Is it necessary for both husband and wife to work ? The answer is we cannot make both ends meet. Mr.John works in Goa, He gets a salary of 15,000 rupees. He lives in his father's house. Both parents are not living and John is the only son of the family. He has two children. one of 8 years and the second one is two. wife is working in Goa and gets another 12,000 rupees. John decides to break his house and build one plus two. He takes 25 lakhs from the bank. So both of them are working very hard to repay the loan. Just then the neighbour buys a posh car worth 7 lakhs. John reads about the advertisement in the newspaper by the leading dealer about the loan available and so John buys a car worth a little more than 7 lakhs. Now they struggle. John is having a prominent place at workplace(govt job) and he will not move a file unless something is placed on the file. wife also struggles to make the file move very slowly. and it goes on. His wife does not like to cook in the evenings. They along with their children visits a fast food joint every evening. So they struggle. life is bitter for them. Celebrations at all points. At birth, baptism, confirmation, and every birthdays. Money just vanishes . There are fights in the house. When wife finds that her husband cannot fulfil her dreams she leaves him. More tension as the matter is in the court. divorce case. Husband cannot pay loans and visits bars and stays out of house . He finds his house lonely as his wife and children are missing. Sometimes he falls down on the road side dead drunk. I do not know if he is still alive or not.
Re: [Goanet] Santosh Helekar and international law
On Dec 22, 2013, at 9:47 PM, "Cyrus A. Jose Sanches" wrote the following to Santoshbab (without adding to any process of kestavam, I will add my 2 cents worth. I do not expect those who are closed-minded, unreasonable or those who have materially benefited specifically because of 1961, to 'see any light' from this) CYRUS: The 'accurate information' may be accurate but in the present day and especially after the UN charter of 1947 which India is a signatory to, your information amounts to 'mis- information' jc: I would classify the persistence with this 'information' as either intentional or negligent misrepresentation. The basic fact is that there never was and never will be a legitimate reason for trespass. I also believe that IF 'we' revolve our thought processes around Goa and forget about Portugal, we might possibly think differently. This, of course, unless 'we' believe that Goa and Goans have no right to have the right to determine their future without a Bandukwalla standing there. -- CYRUS: Regarding the 1962 act of GOI you refer to earlier. Please read Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention. jc: I invite all open-minded individuals to read the wording of this act and advise IF the terms and conditions were reasonable. BTW: where was this 'order' published and in which language? What effort was made to give Goans a genuine choice to decide whether to leave their Home or accept the diktat of their 'conqueror' (using Santoshbab's terminology)? I'd venture to state that the choice (accept or leave home) is akin to the choice given by the Inquisitionistos. Or to the one the T. Bertans have. Disagree? -- CYRUS: The New York Times on 19 December 1961, stated "With his invasion of Goa Prime Minister Nehru has done irreparable damage to India's good name and to the principles of international morality." jc: No question about it, and this is despite the fact that Indian professionals generally have such a brilliant reputation and are so well admired as individuals. -- . CYRUS: The GOI annexed Goa not for any love of the Goan People, jc: The goings on in Goa 2013 are self-explanatory as proof of this Love. -- CYRUS: Your contention that Goa is a part of India and as such India has the right to annex Goa is wrong. Historically Goa has never been a part of India. As India became a nation in 1947. jc: 'Historically', Punjab was part of Greece. -- CYRUS: This situation can be argued till the cows come home. One must be pragmatic and accept 1) without a plebiscite, Goa remains an annexed state 2) all Goans born before Dec 1961 and to goan parents who were born in Goa before Dec 1961 Are Citizens of Portugal 3) the GOP is not giving us a facility, nor gifting us a ticket, but accepting its responsibility. jc: Ditto. BTW: while Nada will beneficially change as a result of our continued debate on this issue, and Nada will change in T.Bert with all the sermaos and bhashans made by o senhor Lama, it is important for reasonable folks to call a spade a spade and not to sugar coat a trespass with chocolate. Like a rape, it is and will be what it is. Marriage and Jewelry does not convert a rape into a good thing, however good the thing eventually ostensibly turns out to be. Reasonable folks think this way in the hope that the number of 'trespasses and rapes' will decrease in the future ...and will definitely NOT be glorified or celebrated. jc
