[Goanet] Crystal Ball Gazing

2021-09-01 Thread Joao Barros-Pereira 
Girish Chodankar

great navigator

docked
a victory

for
Congress Party

in last
elections

three cheers

after
elections

10 winning
MLAs
leapfrogged

to the
BJP Party

two cheers

what does joao want to say?

[Goanet] P.ctrust felicitates teachers

2021-09-01 Thread Nelson Lopes 
Trust honours 4/16   DSE teachers  by rotation  annually  on 5 September
 founded by DSE HEADS OF SCHOOLS AND FRIENDS
Rev Canon Antimo Gomes  awards with citation and Rs 4000  are presented as
follows
Mr Mario Vales.MMHS Chinchinim  2..Mr Prashant U Dessai.,St Theresa Canacona
3..Mrs Perpetua Colaco  ,St Theresa Candolim 4 Mrs Cioleta Diniz ,  St
Judes Betalbatim

Trust felicitates Assumpta School, Sarzora  by rotation
Rev.Sr MJessie  Headmistress Rs 10300
2..Mrs Nashoma C.M  Deus  , Sec.Rs6250
3..Ms Priankanni Mascarenhas, Primary Rs78004..Mrs Sylvia A Da Costa Rs
3750
5..Mrs Nikeeta Coutinho  Maths , Sec Rs2750.
Trust appreciates,  recognizes many an outstanding teacher overlooked by
state and National awards schemes
The memorial  awards are founded by donors
Mrs Ashtrid Pires e Costa SMA gets Rs 5000. Sponsored by BOI
Chinchinim.Mrs Basilya Maria Yravasso MMHS gets Rs 5000 sponsored by Union
Bank of India Dandeavado
Nelson Lopes
Chairman

[Goanet] The road to hell

2021-09-01 Thread Nelson Lopes 
The road to hell

 The  newly resurfaced stretch of  road  at Navelim , close to bypass is in
dangerous , pathetic  condition. RAMESH Raut of  365 Chanel deserves kudos.
for visually  highlighting it.The politician  is in Kumbakaran  mode',
akin to proverbial  ostrich burying its head in the sand .Of course the
limit of constituency  is in the  wrong direction,  except for election
campaigns  , as it is in the wrong direction  .Citizens pay road tax  and
that they are forced to knock the doors of the court is unwarranted.
What is NHA and PWD and Minister  doing?

Road development is a cash cow   to earn fixed percentages for many   for
dubious reasons ,even inflating tenders. .The bidder has to first pay to
others professional contractors  to withdraw ,whose profession is only to
bid for  tenders , . Percentages   are   paid even before work order is
issued.It takes years to settle the bills.Then  grease money  is paid to
release dues
The dangerous condition of road  is a deadly hazzard to users and
vehicles.Accidents
are waiting to happen  due to negligence and apathy.The temporary  patch
work has not been a remedy.The poorThe newly resurfaced stretch of  road
at Navelim close to bypass is in dangerous , pathetic  condition. RAMESH
Raut of  365 Chanel deserves kudos.
For visually  highlighting it.The politician  is in Kumbjakaran  mode  akin
to ostrich burying its head in the sand.Citizens pay road tax  and that
they are forced to knock the doors of the court is unbeleievable.
What is NHA and PWD doing?

Road development is a cash cow   to gather funds for the party and
politicians of the area.The bidder has to first pay to others to withdraw
,whose profession is only to bid for  tenders , then she'll out
percentages   after getting tender.It takes years to settle the bills.The
Engineers abd clerks seek grease money  to release dues
The dangerous condition of road  is a deadly hazzard to users and
vehicles.Accidents
are waiting to happen  due to negligence and apathy.The patch work has not
veen a remedy.The poor  ckndition and not rain is the cause.There have been
requests for willing  local citizens to be appointed  in their area to
monitor but to no avail condition,   substandard material and not rain is
the cause. ROADS are not provided to drain off rain  water.There have been
requests for willing  local citizens to be appointed  in their area to
monitor but to no avail

Nelson Lopes Chinchinim
9850926276

[Goanet] Episodes of the Goan Pilet In Afghanistan

2021-09-01 Thread Adolfo Mascarenhas 
In your message  1  Message-ID:Dated: Wed, 1 Sep 2021 14:55:31 +0530

From: Joao Barros-Pereira

[Goanet] Schedule for Thursday 2nd September 2021

2021-09-01 Thread CCR TV 
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Schedule for  Thursday 2nd September 2021

12:00 AM
Rosary - Luminous Mysteries

12:27 AM
Health Matters  - A Tobacco-free world - Dr. Eugene Rent

12:52 AM
Our Father - Kannada

12:57 AM
Hymn - Bapa mhojea mogalla- Fr Seville Antao OFM(Cap)

1:00 AM
Mass in Konkani for Wednesday

2:00 AM
Saibinnichi Ruzai - Uzvaddache Mister

2:26 AM
Devachem Utor  - Dhormdutancho Itihas - Avesvor 24 - Vachpi Orlando D'Souza

2:37 AM
Adoraion - Led by Fr Henry Falcao

3:07 AM
Goychea Futtbolachea Vostad Ep 1 - Brahmanand interviewed by Daniel de Souza

3:55 AM
Ximpientlim Motiam - Bhag  157  - Itzak Perlman - Fr Pratap Naik sj

4:03 AM
Do not worry - Talk by Glenn Nunes

4:42 AM
Retreat for Families - SJVRC - Talk by Fr Xavier Braganza

5:17 AM
Talk - Jezu bhaxen kaltim zaum-ia - Fr Joseph Silva

5:28 AM
Our Song of Hope

5:33 AM
Spirit of Forgiveness - Talk by Fr Seby Mascarenhas sfx

6:06 AM
Music - From Jazz Goa - 3rd Anniv

6:24 AM
Bhavarth talk by Fr Henry Falcao

6:55 AM
Poem - What is Love? by Nadia Fernandes

6:57 AM
Sokalchem Magnnem  - Thursday Wk 2 & 4

7:00 AM
Novena Mass 4 Colva Church

8:00 AM
Chinchinim Church - Maddi

9:10 AM
Sokalchem Magnnem

9:15 AM
A Call to Grow in Commitment - Talk by Savio Mascarenhas

10:26 AM
Music - Fatorda Youth followed by Povitr Atmeak Dispottem Magnnem

10:56 AM
Inner Freedom - Talk by Sr Shilpa

11:13 AM
Bhajan - Tu Sapta Divya Danancha Dataru - Fr Glen D'Silva sfx

11:18 AM
Intercessions - English

11:30 AM
Mass in English from Panjim Church followed by Daily Flash

12:15 PM
Angelus - English

12:19 PM
Devacha Utor - Hebrevank - Avesvor 9 - Vachpi Orlando D'Souza

12:30 PM
Talk - If my people - Alfwold Silveira

1:00 PM
Mandos - Orlando D'Souza and troupe - 3rd Annniv

1:06 PM
Bhagiancher Niyall V - Br Malvino Alfonso  ocd

1:20 PM
Literally Goa  -  Brenda Coutinho  interviewed by Frederick Noronha

1:50 PM
Psalm 91 - Read by Alfwold Silveira

1:55 PM
Prayer for Healing from Cancer

2:00 PM
Tell Me a Story  - Eps 38 - Moses and the Burning Bush

2:08 PM
Entrepreneurship - Jason Almeida

2:30 PM
My Music Videos - Argam - Ivor Dcunha

2:35 PM
Ask Dr Sweezel - Should I get a Massage?

2:40 PM
Jezuchea Adharan Sosnikaen Jieum-ia -- Fr Mario Noronha

3:05 PM
Poem - Borvanso by Sandhya Fernandes

3:07 PM
Bhurgem Zaunchem Asa Team Avoiancher Bhagevont Zuze Vazache Mozotin Magnnem

3:09 PM
The Constitution and Fundamental Duties  -Adv.  Jatin Ramaiya

3:23 PM
Biblical Hidden Heroes - Eps 8 - DCBA

3:27 PM
Prayer to St Joseph By Pope Francis (Konkani)

3:30 PM
Divine Mercy - English 3

3:50 PM
Ximpientlim Motiam - Bhag  157  - Itzak Perlman - Fr Pratap Naik sj

4:00 PM
Saibinnichi Ruzai - Uzvaddache Mister

4:26 PM
Prayer for India 1

4:30 PM
Senior Citizens Exercises - COOJ

4:56 PM
Our Father - Ho

5:00 PM
Vakhann'ni ani Bozonn  - 1

5:30 PM
Sukh ani Dukh - Talk by Orlando D'Souza

5:56 PM
Bhurgeanlem Angonn - Bhag 1

6:00 PM
Aimorechen Magnnem

6:03 PM
The Examen - Talk by Syona Fernandes

6:15 PM
Bhagevont Zuze Vazache mozotin Piddestam Khatir Magnnem

6:18 PM
Intercessions - Konkani

6:30 PM
Novena Mass 4 Colva Church

7:30 PM
Saibinnichi Ruzai - Uzvaddache Mister

7:56 PM
Hymn : Jezu Punorjivont Zala - Monica Fernandes

8:00 PM
Pastoral Letter 2021-22- Talk in English - Fr Jorge Fernandes

8:17 PM
Prayer for Preparation of Feast of Nativity - Eps 3

8:37 PM
Pray for Goa - 1

8:43 PM
Magnificat (Konkani)

8:45 PM
Devacha Utor - Hebrevank - Avesvor 10 - Vachpi Orlando D'Souza

9:00 PM
National Prayer Service

10:00 PM
Ratchem Magnem

10:12 PM
CCR TV Concert - Highlights 7 - Norman Cardoz and Troupe

10:36 PM
Amchi Bhas Amche Borovpi  - Irene Cardozo interviewed by Daniel F. de Souza

11:08 PM
In Conversation with : Cyril John interviewed by Alfwold Silveira

11:29 PM
Health, Food and Bible -Episode 2

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[Goanet] SORROWING LIES PANAJI

2021-09-01 Thread Aires Rodrigues 
Those 30 new brooms elected to the Corporation of the City of Panaji (CCP)
have completed five months in office but our capital City is seeing no
visible signs of change for the better. That entire cosmetic pre-monsoon
works done proved fruitless with all the flooding witnessed.

Panaji city which includes Ribandar sadly continues decaying due to sheer
mismanagement. The very messy and stinking Panaji market continues in dire
straits while the St Inez and Rua de Ourem creeks are a horrible eyesore.
Our roads and footpaths need to be attended to. After paying very
exorbitant taxes the quality of life for the residents of Panaji had to
improve but people now have to even pay steep fees to park their vehicles.



The city’s gardens and parks are also in a despicable state. The coffers of
the CCP which should have actually been overflowing continue to be
willfully emptied.



Unless there is transparency and accountability in the working of the CCP
with Zero Tolerance to any scams, the city will languish in decay, now with
an inept and incapable planted Mayor for whom sadly the priority has been
to lavishly renovate his office instead of first providing better amenities
for the City.



Adv. Aires Rodrigues

C/G-2, Shopping Complex

Ribandar Retreat

Ribandar – Goa – 403006

Mobile No: 9822684372

Office Tel  No: (0832) 2444012

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You can also reach me on

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Re: [Goanet] Goanet Digest, Vol 16, Issue 465

2021-09-01 Thread john menezes 
 Regarding Message 6 and the Quote of Aurora Coutto, Vol. 16, Issue 465, the 
juridical quality of Portuguese governance far preceded the emergence of Estado 
Novo of Dr. Salazar and was of far higher quality than what India could ever 
give after its take over of Goa, Development Commissioner Alban Coutto 
notwithstanding.The real estate records were foolproof hard bound hand written 
registers kept in the Fazenda or treasury, i.e., they enjoyed the same status 
and protection as the monetary funds of each district. In November 1965 the 
Fazenda was disbanded, the old records were discontinued, and Goa was 
re-surveyed by the Indians, and there emerged Forms I & XIV under the Goa Daman 
and Diu Revenue Code which showed the holder of real estate as "occupant" and 
not as owner. If Alban Coutto IAS was the author of the new system and copied 
the system in Maharashtra, the latter had Forms  Saath Baara which show the 
holder as owner. Whereas with the Portuguese systems Goans could trot the globe 
with peace of mind that their properties would remain untouched,  the juridical 
quality of the Indian systems is so inferior that the records are no longer 
tamper-proof and I for one have experienced the gravest insecurities to my 
properties in India-ruled Goa.John Menezes
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Today's Topics:

  1. It Is All In The Stars (Joao Barros-Pereira)
  2. Re: Fwd: [GRN] How long will ... (or some ideas on the
      so-called 'Goan Identity' (Milton Rodrigues)
  3. How long will ... (or some ideas on the so-called 'Goan
      Identity' (Bernado Colaco)
  4. Re: Taliban pilot a US Black Hawk helicopter with a body
      hanging from it (Mervyn Lobo)
  5. Re: Ronald Carlton Vivian Piedade Noronha - A Goan Giant
      Among Men (Frederick Noronha)
  6. Re: Ronald Carlton Vivian Piedade Noronha - A Goan Giant
      Among Men (Frederick Noronha)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2021 14:55:31 +0530
From: Joao Barros-Pereira 
To: goanet 
Subject: [Goanet] It Is All In The Stars
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saw pig
today
on scooter

rider
taking pig
to be killed

sausages
sorpotel
whatnot

lucky for
some pigs

i no eat
pork

what does joao want to say?


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Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2021 08:47:05 +0100
From: Milton Rodrigues 
To: Oscar Carmino Lobo , Robert De Souza
    , Gregg Carvalho
    , Antonio Fernandes
    , Martin ,
    Melvyn Fernandes , Ignatius Desouza
    , Richard_lees85
    , Ian Moncrieff MacMillan
    , Nigel DeSouza ,
    "ronnie. mascarenhas50" , Ashley
    Rodrigues , judelond ,
    Milroy Goes , Joanne Da Cunha
    , kezaia365 ,
    "harold.andradez" 
Cc: "To: goanet@lists.goanet.org" , Marcos
    dos , Atanasio Lobo
    , Annie , "A.
    Veronica Fernandes" , Bernado Cola?o
    , Stephen Dias , Robert
    de Souza , Babush Fernandes
    , Pedro Lopes , Wilson Coelho
    , Tony Colaco ,
    Miguel Barreto , bhanudas sawant
    , Francisco Monteiro 
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Fwd: [GRN] How long will ... (or some ideas on
    the so-called 'Goan Identity'
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As our GOANS migrated Abroad heavily :-
UK ( approx 120,000 GOANS estimated )
CANADA ( approx 55,000 GOANS estimated )
USA, AUSTRALIA ( approx 10,000 GOANS estimated )

Many were inter-married as you would expect 
To indigenous English, Canadian, American, Australian etc

They have adopted the CULTURE of those great Countries to a large extent.

Many do not speak KONKANI.
It is very difficult to teach 3rd and 4th generation.

It is my belief that : The GOAN identity is disappearing fast !

kind regards from U.K.,

MILTON RODRIGUES
GOANS International.
Professional and Business Network.
EST 1998
URL : www.goansinternational.org

> On Sep 1, 2021, at 6:16 AM, Oscar Carmino Lobo  wrote:
> 
> ?
> (Without prejudice)
> 
> Dear learned Goans
> 
> The question of who is a Goan has been a subject of serious concern more 
> particularly after the Invasion/Liberation/Annexation (19 December 1961). 
> Many Goans backed Liberation of Goa by India (as if people of Goa were in 
> bondage)and for them it was a big achievement.
> 
> I was once asked in a Goanet yearly meeting in Panjim (Panaji since 
> liberation) -  to describe "who is a Goan" ? Incidently, there are a few and 
> far between Goans who have different versions. I do

[Goanet] Abo polemics

2021-09-01 Thread eric pinto 
Suggest you not inflict your read on Goana on the rest of us. For starters, you 
ought to compose your meandering
semantics in a language you actually familiar with, then have an acquaintance 
refit the message. We are not inclined
to sift through your verbiage.   It does appear you have a receptive audience, 
going by the individuals copied.
     Personally,  I do not feel your pain.

Re: [Goanet] Ronald Carlton Vivian Piedade Noronha - A Goan Giant Among Men

2021-09-01 Thread Roland Francis 
Right On! 

Roland.


> On Sep 1, 2021, at 7:58 AM, Frederick Noronha  
> wrote:
> 
> Are you referring to Dr JC Almeida, also Development Commissioner of Goa
> post-1961? FN
> ᐧ
> 
>

[Goanet] How long will ... (or some ideas on the so-called 'Goan Identity'

2021-09-01 Thread Bernado Colaco 
 It is incredible that the topic of Goan identity has been debated in various 
forms of media, the latest being the internet  and for 6 decades. The problem 
lies in the aftermath of 61 (which should be discussed in my opinion). Goans 
are faced with a terrible rule today. Many young Goans want to leave their land 
with urgency. The fear of crime has reached unknown heights. liberation has now 
become a bognar (vicissitudes/pesadelo) for Goans.
BC
(Without prejudice)

Dear learned Goans

The question of who is a Goan has been a subject of serious concern more
particularly after the Invasion/Liberation/Annexation (19 December 1961).
Many Goans backed Liberation of Goa by India (as if people of Goa were in
bondage)and for them it was a big achievement.

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[Goanet] Goa: Heavy rains, isolate places, Sep 1 and 5 likely

2021-09-01 Thread Frederick Noronha 
#Goa: Heavy rainfall, predicted by the Met Office, Altinho, as very likely
at isolated places of North and South Goa on September 01 and 05, 2021
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Re: [Goanet] Afghanistan becoming a fertile ground for terrorism? (Anish Esteves)

2021-09-01 Thread Anish Esteves 
>From my latest Substack newsletter:

Afghanistan becoming a fertile ground for terrorism? (Anish Esteves)

Even as Thousands of people were preparing to leave conflict-ridden
Afghanistan, last Thursday was a dark day when two bombs exploded outside
Hamid Karzai Airport. At least 103 people were feared to be killed, while
143 people were injured, including children.

These blasts threw evacuation plans of not only the U.S. but also of other
countries in jeopardy. Governments around the world gave warnings to their
citizens about threats in the country. Moreover, the attacks underscore the
fact that the Taliban is facing a tough time as it seeks to form a
government there in Afghanistan.

Experts fear Afghanistan will become a breeding ground for terrorism once
again.

Says Seema Sirohi, Economic Times columnist in an email to me, “The Kabul
Airport attack was a fair warning of what may come in the future as various
terrorists regroup and use Afghanistan once again as a launching pad. The
Taliban have to prove they can govern and exercise control because the
international community is watching. There is a serious concern in
Washington whether the Taliban can be effective. No one is letting their
guard down.”

She adds, “For India, the situation is extremely dangerous because of the
role of Pakistan's ISI in supporting various terrorist groups over the
years. India is in direct line of fire”.

Clearly, the Taliban has a tough task ahead. The Taliban must confront
violence efficiently and keep the people of the country safe.

[Goanet-News] Write Powerfully, Speak Dynamically... session online on Thursday evening...

2021-09-01 Thread Frederick Noronha 
ROBERT "BOB" CLEMENTS, the founder of BobsBanter.com and popular columnist,
is to conduct a Goa-organised online session titled "Write Powerfully,
Speak Dynamically".  It is being organised by the Collaborative Learning
Cafe, and is open to all. Date: Sept 2, 2021. 6.30 pm

The 90-minute session aims to help build people whose voices will be
listened to, both in your writing and speaking.  Mumbai-based Clements is a
newspaper columnist, whose writing has appeared in some 60 newspapers, and
author of the book 'Dare'.  He has trained many in the art of public
speaking too.

The session is free and open to all.  Registration is necessary though and
can be done at the site collaborativelearningcafe.org For queries contact
via WhatsApp from 9822122436.
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[Goanet-News] Goa: Heavy rains, isolate places, Sep 1 and 5 likely

2021-09-01 Thread Frederick Noronha 
#Goa: Heavy rainfall, predicted by the Met Office, Altinho, as very likely
at isolated places of North and South Goa on September 01 and 05, 2021
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Re: [Goanet] Ronald Carlton Vivian Piedade Noronha - A Goan Giant Among Men

2021-09-01 Thread Frederick Noronha 
Are you referring to Dr JC Almeida, also Development Commissioner of Goa
post-1961? FN
ᐧ

On Wed, 1 Sept 2021 at 09:24, Roland Francis 
wrote:

> Not so sure you are right. This, by his wife.
>
> Quote
>
> The year was 1963. Goa after Liberation. My husband Alban Couto was chosen
> by the Central Government to help with the transition from Salazar’s
> dictatorship to a modern democratic state. It was an extraordinary time,
> personally and professionally. His work was eulogized decades later: “He
> planned and executed the transition from the Portuguese to the Indian
> systems of administration in a manner characterized by equanimity and
> prudence. It was the smoothest transition ever from a dictatorial
> free-economy regime to a democratic order. He was, at that point in time, a
> firm believer in guided economy.”
>
> This eulogy did not describe the disruption in the lives of the
> population. While Alban was immersed in complex administrative issues which
> streamed into political and personal problems, I had to deal with the
> social side as he was at first also Secretary to the Lieutenant Governor,
> in addition to his main designation as Development Commissioner. Unquote
>
> If he was with the Bihar cadre, one must note that in the IAS you are
> rarely assigned to your home state cadre in his case AGMUT. Remember he did
> not enter the IAS through the regular route. He was absorbed into it.
>
> Roland.
>
>
>
> > On Aug 31, 2021, at 8:59 PM, Frederick Noronha <
> fredericknoron...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > There is some mix-up here. Alban Couto was an IAS officer from the Bihar
> > Cadre, if I'm not mistaken. FN
> >
>


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Re: [Goanet] Ronald Carlton Vivian Piedade Noronha - A Goan Giant Among Men

2021-09-01 Thread Frederick Noronha 
Alban Francis Couto, a Goan was selected as a member of the Indian
Administrative Service in 1953, a combination that prompted the Government
of India to depute him from Bihar to Goa, soon after the end of Portuguese
rule. FN
ᐧ

On Wed, 1 Sept 2021 at 09:24, Roland Francis 
wrote:

> Not so sure you are right. This, by his wife.
>
> Quote
>
> The year was 1963. Goa after Liberation. My husband Alban Couto was chosen
> by the Central Government to help with the transition from Salazar’s
> dictatorship to a modern democratic state. It was an extraordinary time,
> personally and professionally. His work was eulogized decades later: “He
> planned and executed the transition from the Portuguese to the Indian
> systems of administration in a manner characterized by equanimity and
> prudence. It was the smoothest transition ever from a dictatorial
> free-economy regime to a democratic order. He was, at that point in time, a
> firm believer in guided economy.”
>
> This eulogy did not describe the disruption in the lives of the
> population. While Alban was immersed in complex administrative issues which
> streamed into political and personal problems, I had to deal with the
> social side as he was at first also Secretary to the Lieutenant Governor,
> in addition to his main designation as Development Commissioner. Unquote
>
> If he was with the Bihar cadre, one must note that in the IAS you are
> rarely assigned to your home state cadre in his case AGMUT. Remember he did
> not enter the IAS through the regular route. He was absorbed into it.
>
> Roland.
>
>
>
> > On Aug 31, 2021, at 8:59 PM, Frederick Noronha <
> fredericknoron...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > There is some mix-up here. Alban Couto was an IAS officer from the Bihar
> > Cadre, if I'm not mistaken. FN
> >
>


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Re: [Goanet] Taliban pilot a US Black Hawk helicopter with a body hanging from it

2021-09-01 Thread Mervyn Lobo 
 On Tuesday, August 31, 2021, 05:25:03 p.m. CDT, Roland Francis 
 wrote:
One day the Americans leave and the next day the Taliban are dying their 
sophisticated choppers.

What gives?
--

Maybe Biden's war cry should be, "Make Taliban great again." 


It is also becoming clear that the US citizens left behind are mostly ethnic 
Afghans. I guess they were not high on the evacuation list.

Mervyn

Re: [Goanet] Fwd: [GRN] How long will ... (or some ideas on the so-called 'Goan Identity'

2021-09-01 Thread Milton Rodrigues 
As our GOANS migrated Abroad heavily :-
UK ( approx 120,000 GOANS estimated )
CANADA ( approx 55,000 GOANS estimated )
USA, AUSTRALIA ( approx 10,000 GOANS estimated )

Many were inter-married as you would expect 
To indigenous English, Canadian, American, Australian etc

They have adopted the CULTURE of those great Countries to a large extent.

Many do not speak KONKANI.
It is very difficult to teach 3rd and 4th generation.

It is my belief that : The GOAN identity is disappearing fast !

kind regards from U.K.,

MILTON RODRIGUES
GOANS International.
Professional and Business Network.
EST 1998
URL : www.goansinternational.org

> On Sep 1, 2021, at 6:16 AM, Oscar Carmino Lobo  wrote:
> 
> 
> (Without prejudice)
> 
> Dear learned Goans
> 
> The question of who is a Goan has been a subject of serious concern more 
> particularly after the Invasion/Liberation/Annexation (19 December 1961). 
> Many Goans backed Liberation of Goa by India (as if people of Goa were in 
> bondage)and for them it was a big achievement.
> 
> I was once asked in a Goanet yearly meeting in Panjim (Panaji since 
> liberation) -  to describe "who is a Goan" ? Incidently, there are a few and 
> far between Goans who have different versions. I do not appear to read a 
> finer definition of a Goan.
> 
> As most of us know, Goa was the possession of Portugal for 451 years and 
> operating as a separate country with Embassy of India in Panjim. 
> 
> Most of the catholic Goans who believe Goa was Invaded, acknowledge that 
> Portuguese culture was inherited by them and lived their lives with European 
> culture based on a Pyrimid of social status.
> 
> Some of the Catholic Goans were raised to believe that Goa was liberated and 
> that is their prerogative. Many of them left Goa for Mumbai and Mangalore
> from where the pressure and support for Nehru also came through the then 
> Cardinal Gracias who was apparently a Goan
> living in Mumbai ! There were some Catholic army man who joined the gang to 
> invade Goa they got recognitions and life time financial support and termed 
> as Freedom Fighters including those who were set free from prisons.
> 
> On the other hand,  majority of the Goan Hindus and Muslims practised their 
> Hindu &/or Muslim culture. All in all, the three denominations lived in happy 
> and in a peaceful way.
> 
> We, Goans, are a complex community based on the nomenclature they choose to 
> believe on how they felt about the way Operation Vijay was conducted.
> 
> Needless to say that most Goans who believed that Goa was invaded left in 
> droves and those who believed 19/12/1961 was a liberation decided to remain 
> in Goa. 
> 
> Goans in general cannot help themselves in minding other Goans' private 
> matters and this together with knee jerk reaction and tall poppy syndrome 
> will find it difficult to see the end of a tunnel. 
> 
> For those who ardently believe that Goans can manage Goa, the first thing to 
> do is to lay down a MOU and consequences clearly mentioned therein.
> 
> Goan group dynamics is difficult to maintain when a mindset falls in the 
> ambit of Liberation, Annexation, Invasion etc.
> 
> These are the issues that generally Goan Associations (wherever they are) 
> face with challenges in their thinking and decision making process.
> 
> Most often and when time comes for Annual General Meeting, knives and swords 
> come out to rid another Goan (who faced differences in the year past) by 
> procuring a forced proxy to be used as a death warrant.
> 
> Best wishes
> Oscar C. Lobo.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> -- Forwarded message -
> From: Roland Francis 
> Date: Wed, 1 Sep. 2021, 2:06 am
> Subject: Re: [Goanet] Fwd: [GRN] How long will ... (or some ideas on the 
> so-called 'Goan Identity'
> To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! 
> 
> 
> Dear Antonio, or should I be more formal and say Justice Colaco,
> 
> Your views are noted and while I and Goans of my generation, specially those 
> in the Diaspora will agree, some of those living in Goa with the original 
> Goan identity as you defined it, will disagree.
> 
> In the current context of India’s gigantic population numbers, Goa in my view 
> can happily accommodate a 5 million population. Given the continuing 
> migration of Goans to other lands, a phenomenon that existed much before the 
> Portuguese left, it was natural that hordes of other Indians washed ashore. 
> That in itself is not a problem. 
> 
> What is a real problem is that Goa is more affluent that the other places in 
> India, originally (not any longer) more law abiding and honest. But given the 
> thoroughly corrupt and greedy politicians they continually vote in (who 
> happen to be original Goans by the way) the dirty water flowed in and mixed 
> in with the clear water, making everything filthy.
> 
> What you are seeing now in Goa is the transition. That will continue until 
> all the once crystal-clear liquid already much tainted, turns to the sewage 
>

[Goanet] It Is All In The Stars

2021-09-01 Thread Joao Barros-Pereira 
saw pig
today
on scooter

rider
taking pig
to be killed

sausages
sorpotel
whatnot

lucky for
some pigs

i no eat
pork

what does joao want to say?

[Goanet] Goan Roman Catholic - Brahmin link

2021-09-01 Thread Rock Furtado 
Hi;

Interesting article;

http://toi.in/oUvGnb53/a31ga9 


Regards
Rock Furtado 

Sent from my iPhone

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>   1. Fr JADa Costa leaves a legacy to cherish (Nelson Lopes)
>   2. Re: Afghanistan - Land of endless war (Mervyn Lobo)
>   3. Beware of some Goa Relate websites (Joao Barros-Pereira)
>   4. Fwd: [GRN] How long will ... (or some ideas on the so-called
>  'Goan Identity' (Ant?nio Cola?o)
>   5. Re: Beware of some Goa Relate websites (Roland Francis)
>   6. Re: Fwd: [GRN] How long will ... (or some ideas on the
>  so-called 'Goan Identity' (Roland Francis)
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2021 06:57:40 +0530
> From: Nelson Lopes 
> To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!"
>
> Subject: [Goanet] Fr JADa Costa leaves a legacy to cherish
> Message-ID:
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> 
> Threatened, resorts  to defamation game
> To sully reputation,records ,popularity and his name
> Acts of deceit of receipts weighed on mind
> Ambitions of promotions, an axe to grind.
> 
> English mass , stopped loss to parish
> A boon to surrounding villages to cherish,
> Self ,business interest ,prominence at stake
> Defamation strategy  , no dent did make.
> 
> Focussed  energies on the building   to raise
> Monumental efforts  to get funds deserve praise
> Obstruction to science stream, never did yield
> accomplished a   dream with influence he does wield
> 
> Approach  and surroundings  to college vital need
> Stage on the ground, lighting,a  shelter at cemetry praiseworthy indeed
> High mast  , vandalism of assets to check
> A freak accident rolled progress back
> 
> The Cemetry  renovated  beautified  a lift and face,
> Extension ended encroachment  ensured space
> Ground outside  ,raised .,levelled a place to park
> Cemetry painted , graves built mothing to bark
> 
> Mother Theresa  chapel prevented from ruins and fall
> Aesthetic tribute  to St Vaz stands tall
> College painted and  a well conceived hall
> A boon to Parishioners a facility for all.
> 
> Double fans ,Chandeliers enhance comfort and grace
> Retreats , spritual activities occupied equal space
> A hearse van ,  a morgue feel the void and need
> A niche to st Anthony , renovation of Monument  on cards indeed
> 
> Soccer lover  conducted  st Vaz  tournament of football
> Promoted music school  took imitative and call
> Wrote lyrics produced CD amazed all
> In life high and mighty  with illness do fall
> 
> Accomplishments
> . galore leaves legacy behind
> Trust institutes awards in his honour to remind
> A sports magazine salutes him  raises the  toast
> A writer,  playwright,  preacher ,soccer  lover,steeped  in sprituality
> rightly can
> boast
> 
> Fr JA da Costa is entombed, etched in the  minds and hearts
> Leaves a legacy of monumental  achievements as he departs
> Parishioners   wish him long life,  good health
> To passionately  work for the  glory  of good and humanity  till last
> breath
> 
> 
> 
> Nelson Lopes  Chinchinim
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2021 04:34:40 + (UTC)
> From: Mervyn Lobo 
> To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!"
>
> Subject: Re: [Goanet] Afghanistan - Land of endless war
> Message-ID: <1917370874.553918.1630384480...@mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> 
> Folks,?US military commanders assured us that they blew up their munitions, 
> equipment, aircraft (aircraft? who?blows up their own?aircraft?)?and military 
> posts before leaving Afghanistan.?
> 
> 
> Usually, the victors of?a war are left with extra military equipment -?which 
> is the position the Taliban find themselves in. Videos on US tv networks show 
> the Taliban entering hangers with US made aircraft in them. US generals 
> responded by saying that those are not US aircraft but rather they are owned 
> by the Afghan govt :-)?
> 
> 
> Today, the same??US generals admit that a cache of 300,000 machine guns might 
> not have been destroyed!
> 
> 
> In the next few days, we will get more details on the best/worst way to hand 
> power back to the enemy you were sent to defeat.? No one doubted that the 
> Afghans would defeat the invaders. The surprise is that the Soviet retreat - 
> last century -??now seems to be ten times more efficient than the US one.
> 
> 
> 
> Oh! one last

[Goanet] Fwd: Fwd: [GRN] How long will ... (or some ideas on the so-called 'Goan Identity'

2021-09-01 Thread Oscar Carmino Lobo 
(Without prejudice)

Dear learned Goans

The question of who is a Goan has been a subject of serious concern more
particularly after the Invasion/Liberation/Annexation (19 December 1961).
Many Goans backed Liberation of Goa by India (as if people of Goa were in
bondage)and for them it was a big achievement.

I was once asked in a Goanet yearly meeting in Panjim (Panaji since
liberation) -  to describe "who is a Goan" ? Incidently, there are a few
and far between Goans who have different versions. I do not appear to read
a finer definition of a Goan.

As most of us know, Goa was the possession of Portugal for 451 years and
operating as a separate country with Embassy of India in Panjim.

Most of the catholic Goans who believe Goa was Invaded, acknowledge that
Portuguese culture was inherited by them and lived their lives with
European culture based on a Pyrimid of social status.

Some of the Catholic Goans were raised to believe that Goa was liberated
and that is their prerogative. Many of them left Goa for Mumbai and
Mangalore
from where the pressure and support for Nehru also came through the then
Cardinal Gracias who was apparently a Goan
living in Mumbai ! There were some Catholic army man who joined the gang to
invade Goa they got recognitions and life time financial support and termed
as Freedom Fighters including those who were set free from prisons.

On the other hand,  majority of the Goan Hindus and Muslims practised their
Hindu &/or Muslim culture. All in all, the three denominations lived in
happy and in a peaceful way.

We, Goans, are a complex community based on the nomenclature they choose to
believe on how they felt about the way Operation Vijay was conducted.

Needless to say that most Goans who believed that Goa was invaded left in
droves and those who believed 19/12/1961 was a liberation decided to remain
in Goa.

Goans in general cannot help themselves in minding other Goans' private
matters and this together with knee jerk reaction and tall poppy syndrome
will find it difficult to see the end of a tunnel.

For those who ardently believe that Goans can manage Goa, the first thing
to do is to lay down a MOU and consequences clearly mentioned therein.

Goan group dynamics is difficult to maintain when a mindset falls in the
ambit of Liberation, Annexation, Invasion etc.

These are the issues that generally Goan Associations (wherever they are)
face with challenges in their thinking and decision making process.

Most often and when time comes for Annual General Meeting, knives and
swords come out to rid another Goan (who faced differences in the year
past) by procuring a forced proxy to be used as a death warrant.

Best wishes
Oscar C. Lobo.








-- Forwarded message -
From: Roland Francis 
Date: Wed, 1 Sep. 2021, 2:06 am
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Fwd: [GRN] How long will ... (or some ideas on the
so-called 'Goan Identity'
To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! 


Dear Antonio, or should I be more formal and say Justice Colaco,

Your views are noted and while I and Goans of my generation, specially
those in the Diaspora will agree, some of those living in Goa with the
original Goan identity as you defined it, will disagree.

In the current context of India’s gigantic population numbers, Goa in my
view can happily accommodate a 5 million population. Given the continuing
migration of Goans to other lands, a phenomenon that existed much before
the Portuguese left, it was natural that hordes of other Indians washed
ashore. That in itself is not a problem.

What is a real problem is that Goa is more affluent that the other places
in India, originally (not any longer) more law abiding and honest. But
given the thoroughly corrupt and greedy politicians they continually vote
in (who happen to be original Goans by the way) the dirty water flowed in
and mixed in with the clear water, making everything filthy.

What you are seeing now in Goa is the transition. That will continue until
all the once crystal-clear liquid already much tainted, turns to the sewage
that exists in the land in which it is surrounded.

As you know, water seeks its own level and it is only a short matter of
time for the land-grabbing, cheating, dirty politics, little care for the
law and population density to exceed the 5 million it can bear. A look not
at Indian big cities but at smaller towns in the rest of the country that
groan under densities of 10 million or more will give you an indication of
how much Goa has room to bloat, it being much larger than a small town.

Nature dictates that the quantum of filth when encouraged or even ignored,
tends to grow larger than all surrounding filth. A clear example of this is
the Sonsddo phenom outside Margao.  And people who matter in the sense of
being able to contain the rot, are busy piling some of that rot into their
own pockets. Then they die of pancreatic cancer and suchlike with no
provision in their will that the rot be buried with them.

There are of