[Goanet] Spicy Goa sausage has global potential: Vikram Doctor
Spicy Goa sausage has global potential: Vikram Doctor http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/features/corporate-dossier/Spicy-Goa-sausage-has-global-potential-Vikram-Doctor/articleshow/6035241.cms -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Updated: http://goabooks.wordpress.com
Re: [Goanet] Meeting... and adding a face to the name (and the emails)
Isn't this true of Bombay, Rangoon, Kampala, Nairobi, Aden, Calcutta, Colombo, and especially the 'White Town' in Pondicherry? This is true of cities which remained inegalitarian colonial paradise as long as their policies encouraged a priviledged few to enter and stay there in relative luxury. Could this state of affairs be maintained after the decolonisation process? And did not these islands of splendour in colonial nations depend on the immiseration of vast areas of the hinterland? Yes, these cities did crash in the 'sixties and thereafter (perhaps less perceptibly in the 1950s). But, to blame the inherent inability to maintain cleanliness on post-colonial times and a lack of the cleanliness gene in non-Europeans is unfair. True, there was a shortage of resources then (remember what happened when the rupee was not longer valued at seven to dollar?) It's easy to keep a city pristine when we have financial or other restrictions on the poor entering. Just as it's easy to keep a five star hotel clean as long as the prices keep out the average folk. I think if we want more such places that seem to be an oasis of luxury, we can hope to get the same soon. The nearest that reminded me of it was watching the airconditioners on six-storey monstrosities called hotels in the Calangute belt. These places never seem to have power failures, while we in neighbouring villages not only face regular power cuts at peak tourist season (Christmas was terrible!) but also get the tourist garbage dumped on our hillocks. FN 2009/12/30 philip pereira philpereira2...@yahoo.ca: I left Karachi in 1959 - some 50 years ago and went back just a couple of times - once in 1972 and the 2nd in 1989. Prior to partition in 1947, Karachi was an absolute paradise with just some 250,000 people. Had it remained this way, I would never have left. However, after partition, the population jumped to over 3,000,000 and, now, it must be close to 18,000,000. When I went there in 1989, it was a total disaster - overcrowded and filthy - and I vowed to never go back again - which I have not. -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Updated: http://twitter.com/fn
Re: [Goanet] Virgin coconut oil...
Floriano, how dare you make such unScientific statements on Scientific-Goan-et :-) FN 2009/12/3 J. Colaco jc cola...@gmail.com 2009/12/3 floriano floriano.l...@gmail.com VCO is a miracle as it is saturated with LAURIC ACID which is the number one immune booster of the human body. You will not believe it but it seems Magic Johnson ( the US star Basket Ball Player) is cured of HIV simply by drinking VCO Dear Floriano, ? ? ? jc -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Updated: http://goabooks.wordpress.com
[Goanet] Stuti, the Goa Choral Ensemble... at the Mae de Deus Church (Saligao)
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Planning to get married in Goa? www.weddingsetcgoa.com Making your 'dream wedding' possible Stuti, the Goa Choral Ensemble... at the Mae de Deus Church (Saligao) Stuti - Goa Choral Ensemble performs in Saligao, October 2009. Please note, these are extracts, and not a continuous performance... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ky6Spm9aZtA -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Updated: http://goabooks.wordpress.com
Re: [Goanet] WhzzUpGoa... early October 2009
Anthony, thanks for your comments. I'd look forward to any inputs I could receive from others so as to make this a collaborative venture, and try to sustain it. The tiatr plays get well advertised in the Herald (in season, but specially on the weekends). Unfortunately I'm not sure that this gets reflected on the newspaper's website, but could be wrong. The bus stops details -- but not timings -- exist online, with the Directorate of Transport listing the same in their transport handbook. [1] Here's a list of taxi fares from Dabolim airport, incidentally [2] Here are some plane timings for you [3] though a few months old. I have the train timings up there too, but can't find it on my cluttered flickr.com space[4]. Best, FN [1] http://www.goatransport.com/directory2007.pdf [2] http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/379158590/ [3] http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/3529204465/ [4] http://photosfromgoa.notlong.com 2009/10/2 AF co...@comettele.com: Amazing, Frederick!!... you keep giving us information about Goa that is truly nostalgic, and as a potential home-coming toursit, always very useful if only you can tell us the tiatr players, the margao to colva bus times, the vasco to londa slow-train schedule..and of course, where can i rent a self-driven car in Goa. thanks. anthony -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Updated: http://goabooks.wordpress.com
[Goanet] Obit: Valeriano Luis Azavedo (in http://goanvoice.org.uk)
Condolences to Arlette Azavedo, a Goanetter who has contributed to this network with her writings, on the death of her husband Val: Deaths 29 Sept: Porvorim/Mapusa, Goa. VALERIANO LUIS AZAVEDO (Born 1954; Ex-Sesa Goa, Sirsaim). Beloved husband of Arlette. Loving father of Aldrin Aldryk. Brother of late Gilberto, Eufemio/Veronica, Anita/Greg, Irene/Allen, Prakash/Cynthia, Ancila/Victor and Roscilda/Arthur. Brother-in-law of Adolfo/Terezinha, Astrid/Alfredo, Celestino/Nicolette, Alirio/Maria, Augusto/Adelaide, Asterio/late Anna, Aurio/Mary Ann and Fatima/Raphael. Funeral on 30 Sep. at Mapusa. http://goanvoice.org.uk -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Updated: http://goabooks.wordpress.com
Re: [Goanet] Goan attitude towards molestors
INTERACTIVE DISCUSSION: Alternative Publishing - Is it viable to traditional publishing? WHERE: Art Lounge - Sunaparanta, Near Lar de Estudantes, Altinho, Panaji WHEN: September 30, 2009 - 5:30pm http://www.facebook.com/n/?event.phpeid=146588805806mid=12a68daG1df3c3d3G2ac936fG7 Samir, At the risk of repeating myself: This is bad logic. You (and one or two earlier) are arguing against the views in a Navhind Times editorial by pointing to the editor's alleged involvement in an earlier molestation case. Completely illogical. The two are quite separate issues. 2009/9/28 Samir Kelekar samir_kele...@yahoo.com: It is unfortunate that Frederick Noronha is silent about the act of a molestor (put in there alleged if you like), and in fact is appreciating his editorials. This is a shameful moment for Goa. Nowhere in my posts have I appreciated the NT editorials, but just pointing to the poor logic behind such arguments! He actually is saying that if tomorrow Hitler or Osama makes some good points about Goa's vision, we should listen to them. And that if we attack Hitler or Osama, it is adhominum attack. This sounds like Changing The Subject (Digression, Red Herring, Misdirection, False Emphasis). By bringing in Hitler and Osama here. Fred, let me tell you that there is no more sacred thing than to do ad homimum attacks on criminals. I believe ad hominem is bad when used against anyone. OPENQUOTE A fallacious objection to an argument or factual claim by appealing to a characteristic or belief of the person making the argument or claim, rather than by addressing the substance of the argument or producing evidence against the claim; an attempt to argue against an opponent's idea by discrediting the opponent himself. ENDQUOTE http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ad_hominem that it is duty of a citizen to ensure that law and order is followed, and if criminals are moving scot free, it is the duty of citizens to shout from the top of their voices. It is unfortunate that I have to teach a journo like you this simple thing in a democracy. Let me ask you --- what exactly is your position on the molestation by a fellow journalist? You are shifting the issue from an ad hominen attack to wanting to know my stand on a particular issue. The debates on this issue are all there, and public, at http://groups.google.com/group/goajourno My view is that a 'trial by press' (or 'trial by mailing list') is unfair and unbecoming of any civilised society. This, I have protested. At the same time, we know the ability of influential persons to manipulate the police investigations, and that is a matter of concern too. Take a look at the many cases involving influential persons in Goa, post-1961 or pre! Whatever, it does not justify an ad hominen attack. FN -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Updated: http://goabooks.wordpress.com
Re: [Goanet] Indian colonialism - FN
INTERACTIVE DISCUSSION: Alternative Publishing - Is it viable to traditional publishing? WHERE: Art Lounge - Sunaparanta, Near Lar de Estudantes, Altinho, Panaji WHEN: September 30, 2009 - 5:30pm http://www.facebook.com/n/?event.phpeid=146588805806mid=12a68daG1df3c3d3G2ac936fG7 Ah ha! This is something only the one and only JC can do! He will avoid needlessly injecting something into the debate, and then go right ahead and raise precisely those very questions which he wants to avoid raising :-) Welcome to the party I note that JC has neatly side-stepped the substantial issues of my post (my view of the reasons for 1961 looking less of a Liberation today, the scapegoating of others -- specially migrants -- as an excuse for all our ills, Lusostalgia, wanting the benefits of a big market but not the price, the fact that many Goans -- whether Catholic, Hindu or Muslim or whatever -- did feel suffocated under Portuguese rule and didn't shed a tear on its demise, apart from other points raised to Arwin about the famed Supreme Court judgement of Goa becoming part of India due to invasion or annexation or whatever). JC's idea of debate, of course, is firing a Kalashnikov full of questions in answer, or to at least cloud up the context! To take this debate further, I'd need to answer some of the 16 (hope I counted right) wide-ranging and unending queries, raised below! Since lastwordism isn't one of my virtues, I'll end my (non-legal :-)) submissions here. But, before that, let me disappoint JC on one specific issue -- one of the many assumptions he makes while finding any evidence whatsoever to defend his thesis. 2009/9/29 J. Colaco jc cola...@gmail.com: Even though Frederick Noronha has needlessly injected his parents' personal decisions into this e-discussion, I will AVOID involving them is this - as it will mean asking questions like: a: Most people who were disgusted by Salazar's dictatorship left Goa and went to nearby places. Why did you travel to Brazil ? - Isn't (Wasn't) Bombay or Poona closer? Closer to what? You would surely know the levels of Goan outmigration during pre-1961 times, and a statement of this kind could well be making some wrong assumptions. Secondly, I didn't travel to Brazil. I only returned from there :-) Thirdly, the decision of my folks to move to Brazil had zilch to do with Lusostalgia, or anything remotely related to that. In fact, it had more to do with the Third World economics and US capitalism's history of those times. To be specific: a US firm (Kaiser's) had finished their contract in building or restructuring the Tata's steel plant in Jamshedpur, and had a similar project coming up in Santos, Brazil. My dad was offered a job there, and that was the reason for his migration. Had the economics and manpower needs worked different, he might have gone to Timbucktoo instead, as a nun from Moira-Net [http://groups.google.com/group/moira-net] has recently done. Sorry to disappoint and question the logic of your assumptions. Over to you for the last word. Or last many words :-) FN -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Updated: http://goabooks.wordpress.com
[Goanet] WANTED: Musical Instruments, any condition
Joaquim Pacheco is looking out for any old working or non working musical instruments (non electrical) in Goa and says, I will be glad to pick them up. This is one of the notes that came out recently via the Freecycle Network of Goa. More about it at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/panajifreecycle A nice place to share what surplus you have, and ask for what you might want. FN -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Updated: http://goabooks.wordpress.com
Re: [Goanet] PaltadachoMunis (The Man Beyond the Bridge)
Didn't the word 'poltodi' come from pre-bridge days? So, wouldn't it mean The Man From Across The River? But then, does one have to be very literal in translations, always? Okay, ask the rancid pickles guys and Parrikar. (Incidentally, the word Parrikar actually used was the Hindi/Hindustani-influenced 'kharab', not 'pidear' as mentioned in a section of the media.) Of course, all of us think that *we* and only *we* are right. We overlook the fact that Goa is full of diverisity, linguistic and ethnic and more. 2009/9/28 Oscar Lobo oscarlo...@optusnet.com.au: The actual meaning of Poltodcho Munis is The man from the other side of the bridge and not The Man beyond the Bridge If we cannot get this right in Konkani, what kind of Goans are we?? Kesoleh Goenkar reh ami? If you use the word kesoleh, if I'm not wrong (and I claim no linguistic skills here) it suggests that your language is Salcete-influenced :-) Bardezkars and up northerners would use the more-direct 'kosle' :-) Someone who knows better, and there are many on this forum, could correct me. So much for diversity and intolerance in a small region :-) -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Updated: http://goabooks.wordpress.com
Re: [Goanet] Indian colonialism
INTERACTIVE DISCUSSION: Alternative Publishing - Is it viable to traditional publishing? WHERE: Art Lounge - Sunaparanta, Near Lar de Estudantes, Altinho, Panaji WHEN: September 30, 2009 - 5:30pm http://www.facebook.com/n/?event.phpeid=146588805806mid=12a68daG1df3c3d3G2ac936fG7 From: Arwin Mesquita arwinmesqu...@gmail.com http://www.oheraldo.in/pagedetails.asp?nid=27786cid=13 *Indian colonialism by Ashburn and Leron Pereira, Porvorim [ According to the landmark judgment delivered by the Supreme Court, Goa was conquered by India and not liberated from the Portuguese. Also, according to the UN resolution 1514 (XV), Goa is listed as invaded. We have now undergone 47 years of corrupt Indian colonial rule over our Goa.] Which Supreme Court case is being referred to here? Is it Rev. Mons. Sebastiao Francisco Xavier dos Remedios Monteiro v. The State of Goa, Supreme Court of India, 26 March 1969 All India Reporter 1970 SC 329. And, if so, is this an attempt to confuse things? Are we mixing up legal interpretations of the meaning of the terms occupation and annexation in international law (and also other legalese such as true annexation and premature annexation) with the commonly-understood political and layman's understandings of the terms? This matter, which much is being made of today for political purposes, came up just tangentially in the case. It was held in the judgement: The Geneva Conventions ceased to apply after December 20, 1961. The Indian Government offered Rev. Father Monteiro Indian nationality and citizenship which he refused and retained his Portuguese nationality. As a Portuguese national he could only stay in India on taking out a permit. He was, therefore, rightly prosecuted under the law applicable to him. Since no complaint is made about the trial as such, the appeal must fail. It will be dismissed. The debate certainly wasn't between being conquered or liberated, as Arwin's post suggests. It was a legal question over whether someone holding a Portuguese passport had the right to demand to stay on in Goa on his terms, or follow the changed law in force here. The term annexation has been used in the Gosalia vs. Agarwal case too. But why make so much about a legal term (when the courts can't obviously use a political term like Liberation)? And why quote just one UN resolution, when the entire tone in those times (as now) was against the continuation of European colonalism across the globe right into the late 20th century? (Okay, you could argue that other forms of colonialism, within our countries and within our states, do continue to rule, but that's another debate... and shouldn't be used as a justification of the past form of colonialism.) 2009/9/29 J. Colaco jc cola...@gmail.com: No sensible person believes the Liberation propaganda. India won, Portugal lost .and went home. That is what the losing party does. JC is as far as the truth as the distance between the Bahamas and Goa when he says no sensible person believes in the 'Liberation' propaganda. A large bulk of Goans, including all those who had been actively excluded (or deprived) of been part of the tiny priviledged classes in colonial times have accepted the demise of Portuguese rule in Goa without as much as a tear. My brother was being born on this day, in Brazil. An Italian doctor told my mum, even as she had delivered, Your country is free. My parents were among those who returned back, enthusiastic. Of course, they soon found a Goa where jobs were scarce, there was still no electricity in the villages (it came only in the 1970s), and the infrastructure was far more terrible as it is now. But that's another story It is another fact altogether that a growing number today would like to have the fruits of economic growth and consumerism and being part of a wider 1-point-something billion strong market -- without paying the costs for it. It cannot be denied that the current debate is also shaped by the misrule and corruption/communalism of local politicians (and the lobbies who are the tails which wag the political dog, whether local and national and global), together with the growing Lusostalgia. This makes the past look good and old over time is also making a growing number complain and assume that the problem can be wished away by scapegoating (mostly poor) migrants, fuelling communalism, or whatever. FN -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Updated: http://goabooks.wordpress.com
Re: [Goanet] Funnies from bhailo rascal
What is your point? You can't dismiss an argument by arguing against a person. FN 2009/9/27 Rajan P. Parrikar parri...@yahoo.com: To Goanet - From the department of laugh-him-out-of-town - we now have a bhailo scum dispensing advice to Goans on the course Goa should take. This is the same fellow, mind you, who would be in jail if the law had been allowed to take its course. Dear bhailo slumdog, get over it. You don't get to tell Goans what to and what not to do. Go back to your Indian sewer. An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin: argument to the person or argument against the person) is an argument which links the validity of a premise to a characteristic or belief of a person advocating the premise http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Updated: http://goabooks.wordpress.com
[Goanet] Request for permission to broadcast Goan Konkani music
Dear all: My friend, Anzil Fernsfernsan...@yahoo.co.in, a young student from Goa in Mangalore, tells me about the recent launch of Sarang 107.8 MHz, a community radio station by St Aloysius College. See http://http://www.thehindu.com/2009/09/24/stories/2009092458810300.htm for details. This is managed by the post-graduate department of masters in communication and media studies at St Aloysius College, an autonomous institution. This is not a commercial station, and currently broadcasts six hours of programming daily -- in Tulu, Konkani, Kannada, English, Malayalam and the Beary languages. They hope to soon increase the number of hours of broadcast. Anzil says the the director would like to broadcast some Goan Konkani music, with permission from the producer or copyright holder. Writes Anzil: This will help thousands of Mangalorean Konkanis to listen to Goan music in general. Being a community, non-commercial station, they are unable to pay, but will offer due credit. If you could help in any way, do get in touch with Anzil. I've been a supporter of community radio in India and believe it's a good cause. Meanwhile, on an unrelated point, please see some rough cuts of Konkani music online here: http://www.ilike.com/artist/Music+from+Goa/dashboard/songs You can come across the versatile Roque Lazarus' spirited Konkani medley (he plays 27 different instruments, if I got the number right!), Nandinho de Lobato Faria, 13-year-old Anthony Lopes, Rui Lobo's Konkani renditions on the classical guitar, the Indian Navy band, and even some unusual sounds from Goa recorded by Andrew Mascarenhas. --FN -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Updated: http://goabooks.wordpress.com
Re: [Goanet] let us call a spade a spade!
AF raises some important questions. We always think that *we* and not The Other is more Goan! And we fail to recognise the diversity within a Goa. Ironically, all (or most) groups here tend to do the same and be exclusivist! FN 2009/9/26 Mario Goveia mgov...@sbcglobal.net: Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 00:36:51 -0400 From: AF co...@comettele.com well, well..., i gather i am not the only one confused about what is a goan!. specifically, is a catholic goan more of a goan than a hindu or muslim goan? is a pro-portuguese goan more a goan? is a blue-blooded supporter of the original UGP a true goan? Is is konkanim or is in konkanee? is it pedro, anton, rosa, piedede rather than vijay, babush, narender, is it a football lover or is it a cricketer?. Mario responds: I don't know about anyone else, but your comments prove that you are thoroughly confused about what is a Goan, because every one of the people you mentioned could also be a Goan. -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Updated: http://goabooks.wordpress.com
[Goanet-News] Photos from Sunaparanta this evening: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/sets/72157622440759570/
Some photos from Sunaparanta - Goa Centre for the Arts i...@sgcfa.org from their event of September 23, 2009: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/sets/72157622440759570/ There's an event at Sunaparanta every Wednesday 5:30 pm to 7:30 pm at 63/C-8, Near Lar de Estudantes, Altinho, Panaji Ph:2421311 i...@sgcfa.org This week's Art Lounge saw a discussion panel on artistic freedom which includes Venita Coelho, Subodh Kerkar, Geoffrey Witte, Vidyadhar Gadgil and Margaret Mascarenhas. E-meet with some names you've read on Goanet. --FN -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Updated: http://goabooks.wordpress.com
[Goanet] Volunteers Clean the World's Beaches
Volunteers Clean the World's Beaches WASHINGTON, DC, September 18, 2009 (ENS) - The Ocean Conservancy's International Coastal Cleanup, the world's largest volunteer effort to help protect oceans and waterways, gets underway Saturday with hundreds of thousands of volunteers expected to pick up trash on beaches around the globe. The volunteers keep track of every piece of trash they find and report it to the nonprofit Ocean Conservancy, which uses that information to produce an annual country-by-country, state-by-state index of marine debris. http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/sep2009/2009-09-18-02.asp -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Updated: http://goabooks.wordpress.com
[Goanet] Portuguese books... available online for free
Portuguese books... available online for free http://www.gutenberg.org/browse/languages/pt -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Updated: http://goabooks.wordpress.com
Re: [Goanet] Check out this Wikipedia entry
2009/9/23 Tony de Sa tonyde...@gmail.com: While surfing the net, I came across this Wikipedia entry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francisco_D%27Souza Can anyone throw more light on this gentleman who seems to be of Goan origin? Francisco D'Souza is the son of Goanetter Placido D'Souza, former ambassador to many countries, and posted on behalf of the Indian Foreign Service to at least two dozen countries. If I'm not mistaken, Francisco's sisters are very early Goanetters. Herman could confirm. They trace their roots to Anjuna, but Placido grew up in Pune. He mentioned that he was inspired to join the IFS because of another Goan who got in before him, Peter Lynn Sinai. --FN Eddie Fernandes' post: http://fredericknoronha.wordpress.com/2006/08/04/another-goan-at-the-top/ Francisco D’Souza was born in Nairobi in 1968, the son of Sushila and Placido D’Souza (born in 1933, ex-Anjuna, Goa ex India’s Consul General in New York and High Commissioner in Port of Spain, Hong Kong and Nairobi). His sisters are Jacinta, Lucia and Maria. Francisco attended University of East Asia, Macau and Carnegie Mellon University, Pittsburgh. He is married to Ines, a Brazilian. For more info about him and the family see GVUK 2006-14 Placido D'Souza, ambassador to West Indies, Panama, Zaire, New York, Port of Spain, Hong Kong and Nairobi. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_from_Goa Placido D'Souza (b.1933) was ambassador to a large number of countries, including in the West Indies, Panama, Zaire, New York, Port of Spain, Hong Kong and Nairobi. Another diplomat of Goan origin, Peter Lynn Sinai (b.1933) topped the competitive exams in 1956. Anthony Lancelot Dias, ICS (b.1910) was praised for negotiating India's foodgrains with great ability and success. He was appointed Lt. Governor of Tripura in 1970 and later Governor of West Bengal. http://roland-torontogoan.blogspot.com/2008/07/goan-achievers-and-achievements.html -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Updated: http://goabooks.wordpress.com
[Goanet] Photos from Sunaparanta this evening: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/sets/72157622440759570/
Some photos from Sunaparanta - Goa Centre for the Arts i...@sgcfa.org from their event of September 23, 2009: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/sets/72157622440759570/ There's an event at Sunaparanta every Wednesday 5:30 pm to 7:30 pm at 63/C-8, Near Lar de Estudantes, Altinho, Panaji Ph:2421311 i...@sgcfa.org This week's Art Lounge saw a discussion panel on artistic freedom which includes Venita Coelho, Subodh Kerkar, Geoffrey Witte, Vidyadhar Gadgil and Margaret Mascarenhas. E-meet with some names you've read on Goanet. --FN -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Updated: http://goabooks.wordpress.com
Re: [Goanet] Svettor Kori
Francis, Agreed, this is too vast a project for one person to undertake. How about a collaborative project then? Wonder if anyone else would be interested. It could be on the lines of the (still rather modest) http://wikiwikiweb.de/MailingListsInIndia or even an attempt to list more Goa-related books on the Open Library http://openlibrary.org/search?q=Goa The comparison between a listing of publicly-known song titles, and a list of email addresses where privacy issues are involved is, to my mind, not appropriate. There are two separate issues here as I see it (i) the amount of work involved (ii) the openness to sharing information. Both are legimitate concerns, but are separate issues imho. FN 2009/9/22 Francis Rodrigues fcarodrig...@hotmail.com: You gotta be kidding me, right?? Post 25,000+ song-titles on Goanet?? Perhaps Eddie Verdes or Isidor Dantas might be able to help you out here (having confirmed the figure), one or other may have the time to post! Even if 25 titles were posted every day, you're still looking at 1,000 posts i.e. 3 YEARS of unceasing DAILY POSTS! I think only JoeGoaUK has that kind of horsepower and work-rate!:-) I'll make you a deal though - my song-list database in exchange for your Goanet mailing-list database (your list is half our size). Both equally sacrosanct! Do we have a deal?!:-) -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Updated: http://goabooks.wordpress.com
Re: [Goanet] Goodbye Goans ahoy ghantis
Hi Arwin, Of course I don't have all the answers. The response was to a very specific comment by Ole Xac/Bernardo about uncontrolled migration and what I see as the out-migration link to that (which nobody wants to talk about for obvious reasons). Of course, corruption and lobbies taking over governance is a serious problem -- though I would not see it only in terms of illegal conversions and mega projects. As far as 'vote banks' go: QUOTE The term vote-bank was first used by noted Indian sociologist, M. N. Srinivas (who also coined the terms Sanskritisation and dominant caste), in his 1955 paper entitled The Social System of a Mysore Village. He used it in the context of political influence exerted by a patron over a client. Later, the expression was used by F. G. Bailey, a professor of anthropology at the University of California, San Diego, in his 1959 book Politics and Social Change[3], to refer to the electoral influence of the caste leader. This is the usage that has since become popular. Thought the term originally referred to voting along caste lines, it was soon expanded to describe votebanks based on other community characteristics, such as religion and language. ENDQUOTE The only vote-banks in today's Goa certainly aren't migrants. There are Hindutva, minority (Cristao, and Muslim in pockets), women, Konkani, Marathi, caste-based, New Conquest, Old Conquest, industrialists, BPL (below poverty line), and other groups. Why pick on migrants alone, while being unwilling to discuss the others? And are all migrants one monolithic block? Are there no other segments of the poor, who see the politician, howsoever corrupt, as their succour? When you say Goans being denied employment due to high level of corruption, do you see the problem as ethnicity or corruption? I personally agree with some of your diagnosis of some problems, but not necessarily with the priorities you assign to each. Also, your solutions seem simplistic to me, as Augusto Pinto too has also pointed out here and elsewhere. Lastly, I don't think Goans can merely claim victim-status perennially. This may be a good formula for some parties to rise to power (Shiv Sena, TDP, even the BJP) but it hardly sorts out any problems of a long-term nature, in my view. FN 2009/9/22 Arwin Mesquita arwinmesqu...@gmail.com: FN. You seem to have all the answers/excuses to support uncontrolled migration into Goa. Surely you will also appreciate that there are other factors which make the situation worse e.g. (1) illegal conversion on Land to bring in Mega-Projects and with the migrant workers and settlers from other part of India. (2) Migrant Vote-Banks fueled politicians. (3) Goans denied of employment due to high level of corruption, I personally know many who had to leave because they could not afford the huge bribes required by the corrupt government I have missed you views on the above 3 points; kindly let me know -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Updated: http://goabooks.wordpress.com
Re: [Goanet] CHRISTIANs WITH HINDU NAMES ARE COWARDS
Strange! This echoes the Hindutva argument that crypto-Christians attempt to hide their identity by adopting Hindu names! I wonder what conspiracy theory could be built about Christians in India with Portuguese (or British) names! Incidentally, my kids have Arabic and Nigerian first-names (and double-barrel, Portuguese-influenced surnames). Could someone build an urban legend on the motives behind this please? FN Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 13:02:20 +0530 From: Jorge Dias jorges...@gmail.com Those Christians in India who are operating with Hindu names are doing this to protect their skin from Hindu facist forces. May God give these christians the courage that they do not hide their christian faith. -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Updated: http://goabooks.wordpress.com
Re: [Goanet] Svettor Kori
Hi Eddie, I do understand this is a huge task, and I'm not asking any single individual to do it alone. Maybe some individual could give the lead, with other volunteers joining in. Being influenced by Free Software ideas, I think collaborative functioning is the way to go Btw, though the task is not as large (but involves a bit of data entry), I'm keen to get every one of the Goa-related books up on the openlibrary [ http://openlibrary.org/] That's a dream. Whether it becomes reality is left to be seen There must be around 2000+ books on Goa (though this would be an underestimate, given the number Eddie Fernandes himself has in his personal collection). If some volunteers could add a few books, we could have a significant number (not all) being mentioned online. I had made this suggestion on GoaWriters, and have begun entering a few books (not many). May I also request anyone who has written a book (or even has a favourite Goan book in their collection), to please enter it in the above URL? Anyone can enter the details, as this is a wiki-type of editable-by-all operation. One day we might get there Best, FN 2009/9/22 Eddie Verdes eddiever...@hotmail.com Here I am struggling to form a list of 4000 songs and you are asking 25,000 songs? which is highly impossible. Right now I dont have the time to make the list of 4000 songs, my first priority is to digitalise the 150 audio cassettes that I have for my personal use. Each audio cassette takes 2-3 hrs and you have to have free time for that. Probably once I have all the songs then I can go for the list -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Updated: http://goabooks.wordpress.com
