Re: [Goanet] Condolences: Reena Martins, Mumbai

2010-09-10 Thread From PAES
 
Adv. Lazarus Martins, Reena's father, was our friend, colleague and a relative.
We condole over his demise.
 
Bennet Paes  fly.
 

--- On Thu, 9/9/10, JoeGoaUk joego...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:


From: JoeGoaUk joego...@yahoo.co.uk
Subject: [Goanet] Condolences: Reena Martins, Mumbai
To: goa...@goanet.org
Date: Thursday, 9 September, 2010, 10:29 AM


Thanks FN,
 
I think, Reena also lost her mother  about 6-7 months ago
 
Our heartfelt  sympathies to Reena and family
 
Quote:
[Goanet] Condolences: Reena Martins, Mumbai
 
Condolences to Reena Martins, journalist from Velim/Mumbai who writes
for The Telegraph (Kolkata), whose dad passed away this morning. Reena
has shared some of her articles with Goanet, and here's a condolence
on behalf of other Goanetters who know her.
Her message via Facebook: Dad just passed away this morning. Please
pray for his soul.
 
Contact for personal messages: reena martins reenamartins at hotmail.com,


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Re: [Goanet] The pao and the glory - Meaning of NRI Who is a Goan.

2010-09-06 Thread From PAES
A Goan is someone born in Goa or is of Goan parentage.
He/she may be living in and holding a passport of another country, but still 
that
person is Goan, of Goan nationality.
 
Note: 
1) If born in Goa, or if parents were born in Goa under the Portuguese rule, 
their Nationality is Portuguese, even if they later, by freak of history, 
obtained an Indian
passport which is only a travel document given on the basis of Citizenship. 
(That is the reason why Portugal still issues an ID, besides a passport, if 
someone can
prove he was born under their rule in Goa, or if his/her parents did).
 
2) If a Goan lives in and holds another country's passport, it is only because 
he/she is
a Citizen of that country - not a National. 
However, if a Goan is born in Goa under Indian rule, he/she has the option to 
be called
an Indian national, or a Portuguese national if his/her parents were born in 
Poruguese Goa.
That's what I mean by 'freak of history'.
 
Open for correction if found wrong. Thank you.
 
Bennet Paes
Asolna, Goa
 
 
 --- On Mon, 6/9/10, Oscar Lobo oscarlo...@optusnet.com.au wrote:


From: Oscar Lobo oscarlo...@optusnet.com.au
Subject: [Goanet] The pao and the glory - Meaning of NRI  Who is a Goan.
To: goa...@goanet.org, 'GOA NRI-GROUP' goan-...@yahoogroups.co.in
Cc: bo...@goanet.org
Date: Monday, 6 September, 2010, 3:03 AM


Dear Good People - Goans, 



Many people term overseas Goans as NRI and sometimes NGO.  I am unsure if
there is another nomenclature for Goans.



1.    To me, the definition of Non Resident Indians are those that live
and work overseas on an Indian passport and are intending to come back to
Goa or detour elsewhere depending on the meaning of greener pastures,

            whatever that means to each individual's understanding.



2.    What terminology is used for Goans living and working overseas with
foreign passports and an OCI or PIO and those without these documents. We
need to remember here that no: 1  2 have the best of both worlds 

      to give back to Goa.



3.    Finally, it takes me to another question that pops up now and then -
recently someone again asked on this forum Who is a Goan - is it one who
has a ration card, ancestral property and if not what else is 

required to fit the definition. 



I have addressed this to a broad spectrum of people who read Goanet.  My
definition some years ago was truncated by a learned person and a business
man in Panjim Goa where I had attended an annual Goan meet.



Thank you for your time. 



Regards



Oscar C. Lobo

Melbourne.














[Goanet] Lucky to be Goan

2010-08-12 Thread From PAES
 
LUCKY TO BE A GOAN
 
By: Bennet Paes
 
 
I had a visitor the other day at my office. He was a businessman from Delhi. He 
said to me: “Man, you’re lucky to be a Goan”.
 
I saluted him for the compliment, but was rather inquisitive to know whether he 
was a fortune-teller in the guise of a businessman. I asked him why he said 
what he said. Then he went on to say even more: “ Goa is something different. 
Goans are more disciplined, god-fearing and soft-spoken which, by the way, also 
makes Goa a soft- target ……so on and so forth”. 
 
I heard many such accolades before, both from ‘local’ foreigners and ‘foreign’ 
foreigners, but was not quite sure if politicians were also included in those 
showers. Not surprisingly, my Delhi guest set the record straight in a series 
of swipes, as we  dragged on to the burning topic of all times – corruption. 
 
He charged head-on: “ As I said, Goa is a soft-target for thieves, terrorists, 
thugs and all the t’s you can think of. Add to them the rapists and the 
extortionists. They  lay their hands on Goa’s soft maidens, with as much ease 
as on its maiden lands. They call it collateral damage, and the politicians do 
not disagree”. 
 
“However, all this is only peanuts compared to Delhi. Here in Goa a Minister 
may buy all the tickets for a cricket match and sell them in the black market. 
In Delhi they buy the whole stadium and sell it to Real Estate developers.” I 
asked him why the scale is so huge in Delhi, and he explained in simple math: “ 
Goa is only a small State in India, while Delhi is the capital of all the 28 
States and 7 union territories, therefore corruption is 28 + 7 times bigger, 
relatively speaking”.
 
“The only consolation is that there is one person among the political gangs in 
the entire country whose dictionary is printed without the word ‘corruption’. 
This person is our Prime Minister. But unfortunately, he too is  made a 
soft-target like Goans. The opposition politicians argue how he could be the 
leader of a country when he is not even an elected representative of the Loc 
Sabha. The P.M in his typical demeanour reminds them that he is an economist, 
not a politician, and that he is to corruption, what a saint is to Satan.
 
“And listen to this before I dash off to catch an IA flight to Delhi which, in 
all probability will be delayed until tomorrow”. With sarcasm at its best, he 
pushed it yet further: “Discipline in India ended in 1947, the year the British 
took it away with them. On the other hand, Goans were lucky to live with it for 
14 years longer, until Mr. Nehru got jealous of you and spread the curse to the 
entire nation. Perhaps now you will know what I have been saying all along, 
won’t  you?” 
 
-
 
 
 
 
 
 
 




[Goanet] Life's Like That

2010-07-30 Thread From PAES
 
LIFE’S  LIKE  THAT
 
By: Bennet Paes
 
 
“Never judge a book by its cover” say wise men out of experience. However, that 
piece of advice may be right for a bookshop browser, but my concept was a kind 
of departure from that wisdom. “Pride and Prejudice”, acclaimed the world over 
as a fictional masterpiece by one of the most celebrated British novelists, 
Jane Austen, was a literary prescription for freshmen in most Indian 
Universities in the 1950’s. So I was left with no choice but to lump it, 
whether I liked it or not. 
 
First of all, the book’s cover did not impress me, and what followed was even 
worse. The story revolved around a mind-boggling web of inter-relationships 
among the18th century English gentry, which seemed so distant both in colour 
and custom from an age I grew up in. Moreover, Ms Austen’s romantic comedy, 
heavily punctuated by ‘indirect speech’ did not exactly jell with my own notion 
of humour, or the manner to be expressed it in. The only saving grace though, 
was the plot’s central  player, Elizabeth Bennet whose last name the author  
chose to spell the same way as my first. Strange enough for an English family 
to have that name ending with a single ‘t’. However, despite this silver 
lining, so as to speak, an eerie feeling  said I was indeed heading for a 
‘Waterloo’.
 
So a change became necessary, just as it was for Jane Austen herself. She had 
earlier  suggested to title her work as “My First Impressions” . She changed 
it, and it worked. It got her the world’s applause, except mine. It took me six 
years and three Universities to reach to the last page of that novel, and  
finally I never even got there. In fact, this ‘Bennet’ deserved to be on the 
pages of another book – The Guinness Book of World Records.
 
Later on, having wandered about aimlessly  in the company of  the so-called 
(Goan) freedom fighters in Bombay, someone else happened to come into my life. 
Freedom, to this middle-aged Goan meant  relief from the Bombay grind  that 
fetched him little in return. But luckily, a visa was in hand which was to lift 
him soon to a greener pasture out of India. He was kind by nature and promised 
he would love to have me for company after he got there. I was in raptures, not 
even knowing where he would take me. But deep inside, I felt that even Timbuktu 
would do, so long as I got out of sight of a fuming father. My father had dug 
deep into his pockets, only to find his son squander it all away, college- 
hopping.
 
Eventually I found myself on board s.s.Dara. The ship was set to sail from 
Bombay to the Iraqi port of Basra, calling at six others en route. It was in 
mid-December, 1958. The  visa stamped on my Portuguese passport was for Kuwait 
– then, a small desert sheikdom under British protection, and with an equally 
small native population of Bedouins and their ruling families. But in contrast, 
it had huge deposits of crude oil, literally oozing out of their ‘ghutrahs’ . 
In Arabic these stand for a headgear that is more prominently worn by Gulf 
Arabs to protect their tops from the blistering desert conditions. The black 
gold, however, had not yet trickled down to make Kuwait a sea-worthy port. Like 
some others in the Gulf, it did not have a harbour. So ships offloaded cargo 
and passengers in mid-stream, and were transported  to shore precariously 
huddled in dhows built in Malabar. 
 

I spent nine memorable days on the ‘Dara’. The chief steward of the ship was a 
friend from a neighbouring village. He was in his fifties, but quite fit  to 
face the fury of the seas. He said he had been on the job  for the better half 
of his adult life. He was also gracious enough to upgrade me from deck-class 
accommodation, and  host me right in his cabin all the way to Kuwait. A quick 
drink each day before early dinners and a cursory glance at his pretty 
daughter’s photograph, were added for my comfort. The barber came in to shave 
the chief early mornings, and insisted that he run the razor on me as well. I 
obliged out of courtesy, although the few strands of hair on my chin hardly 
justified  the barber’s attention.
 
Some of the deck hands below were also well known to me. The barman, in 
particular, happened to be from my own village, so naturally I was in for a 
swig on the side, secretly though, so as to be out of his boss’ reach. Apart 
from this slight digression, discipline was seen to be an exemplary feature 
among the entire crew. The British officers in command saw that it was observed 
to the hilt. Their ‘raj’ might have closed shop on the mainland, but their  
shipping line, “B.I” in short, hadn’t yet snapped its umbilical cord to the 
sub-continent. It’s ships plied all round India’s waterways, leading up to all 
of the four compass points on earth.
 
Finally, the time came for my journey’s end, and to say goodbye to all those 
who had so kindly entertained me while on board. A dhow was seen tossing about, 
down below on the port side of the 

[Goanet] Goose Chase

2010-07-24 Thread From PAES
    
GOOSE CHASE
 
By: Bennet Paes
 
 
It’s no wild-goose-chase when a gander hisses in hot pursuit of a goose, and  
gets it. No, it’s not even an accidental one-night stand, as is so infectious 
with world’s football celebrities. In animal kingdom there are no celebrities 
nor ceremonies. They just do what comes naturally. They are games that the 
geese and ganders play, which we sum up as mating, but which Ethologists so 
subtly say sexual pairing.  No matter what – they are all considered free and 
fair, in a world where man-made laws do not consider them otherwise. May I 
pet-name them as “gg games”?
 
Now, let’s juxtapose this scenario in a kingdom where a  ‘Rathore’ and ‘Ratol’ 
vie for a place in games that humans play, more notably in India.
 
A Police Chief  goes wild and chases a ‘goose’. Only this goose happens to be a 
young tennis player of the same gender. And unlike the “gg games”, this one is 
as foul as it is foolish. How come, a police chief  mistakes a racket for a 
racketeer?
 
Then comes a Government Legislator. He bends the law to bend over a  ‘goose’, 
and then prevents it from laying the golden egg.  Strangely enough the blame is 
shifted on to a killer paste, commercially labeled as ‘Ratol’ - and the case 
rests there. Just incredible!
 
The airwaves are flush with breaking news at the break of each day: “The 
Principal of an international boarding school gives marks based on bedroom 
performance”. And to beat them all: “a hockey coach plays with geese-legs in 
preference to hockey-sticks, and lands himself on the wrong end of the sticks”. 
By the time this piece goes on the net, God knows who else is getting set for 
another chase.
 
Stunning spectacles that regretfully reverse our nation’s proud strides in 
technological breakthroughs and economic achievements. Country-wide corruption 
granted, these men who have let lust loose on unsuspecting eves, rub salt 
further down into an already wounded pride. Makes one wonder how a nation 
brimming  with criminals on land, can still manage to launch seven satellites 
in the air in one single mission.
 
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[Goanet] Quest for Kashmir

2010-07-19 Thread From PAES
Sorry, my earlier mail on this subject was sent out inadvertently.
This this the right one.
 
QUEST FOR KASHMIR
 
By: Bennet Paes
 
 
Kashmir is unlike a candle. It lights up when it does not burn. And that’s 
exactly when tourism brochures hail it as paradise on earth.
 
At other times it ceases to emit light, and that’s when the burning begins. 
This is because it happens to be a part of geography that conjoins the twin 
nations of India and Pakistan, although non-identical either in size or 
character. It suffers from birth pangs that have now developed into a major 
disease. Doctors recommended surgery, for which the scalpel was readied over 
six decades ago and is now gathering rust. The operation is mired in 
complications, thus making it all the more difficult to trace the path of 
dissection. Even the Himalayas shrug off at the awesomeness of the  task.
 
As much as is the gravity of the situation, the twins do nurture a concern over 
the menacing legacy they find themselves in. However, India insists that the 
incision into the diseased organ must start from the Pakistani side of 
Maharajah Hari Singh’s former State of JK. Pakistan accepts it, but on 
condition that a majority of the ‘cells’ that make up the entire conjoining 
State are free to decide  by a referendum, whether a)  to accept India’s 
insistence or, b) have two incisions on either side of the Maharajah’s former 
empire or, c) to counter India’s insistence and join with Pakistan. The 
solution still  lies in limbo.
 
The reason is that  India refuses to budge from it’s stubborn stand, on the 
grounds that, a) a show-of-cells  (plebiscite) is impractical so long as a 
Pakistani medical team is treating one-third of the conjoining  body-part and, 
b) a large chunk of ‘Hindu cells’ have over the years migrated to mainland 
India due to religious persecution, thus making the so-called ‘show’ lopsided 
and irrational. Pakistan too behaves no differently, and insists that India’s 
surgeons must also vacate simultaneously for the said ‘show’ to take effect.
 
Now, exiting the medical parlance, it seems that India is diverting attention 
from the real bone of contention, and indulging in what may simply be called an 
exercise in futility. Pakistan tries to steer back  from India’s  game-changer, 
but reluctantly  accepts to ride on it’s un-mapped  road to a final solution. 
Then they settle down to some strangely coded terminology like a composite 
dialog – talks – trust deficit and what have you. This heavily embroidered 
diplomacy that borders on lunacy, is all that the tax-payers on both sides of 
the border are fed on, year after year. Hai, hai Ram! Why does not India come 
out of the groove it is stuck in, and let the brains do the talking? It is time 
to introspect and find out the root cause that led to three wars, Kargil, 
attacks on Parliament and Mumbai, and God knows what else to follow. Bus-rides 
to Lahore and hand-shakes stage-managed for public viewing  are certainly not 
the answer.
 
Statesmanship and moral consciousness dictate that the people caught in the web 
of this historical botch-up, be set free to seek their own destiny. And the 
responsibility lies with the two warring nations that have left this human 
rights related problem unresolved, despite repeated appeals from the UN 
Security Council’s commission for India  Pakistan (UNCIP), for a free and 
impartial plebiscite. Therefore, now is the time to get the act together and to 
be bold enough to face, as well as irrevocably accept the outcome of that 
historic  poll. Inshe Allah – the world’s largest democracy may end up growing 
even larger.
 
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Re: [Goanet] Replies to The Burka

2010-07-17 Thread From PAES
Ref: The Burka
 
FN (1) Very interesting to see men define what is suitable for women to wear!
It is as if they were our property!
 
BP (1) If it were a man in a Burka, most  parts of what I said would apply, as 
well. Only happens that it was a woman I was talking about this time.
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FN (2) Would it be okay if women were to lay down their diktat on what the
menfolk of  their community and other communities had to wear?
 
BP (2) Human Rights, which I said I respect, takes care of this question.
--
FN (3) To me it just appears to be an exercise in laying down rules for
someone else. Why not let everyone decide what they are comfortable
in? It is also interesting to see us define what is acceptable by
presuming that our own standards are the norm and normal! FN
 
BP (3) It was an exercise in laying down facts in today’s terror stricken world 
(and not my standards), that it is lot more convenient/comfortable for a person 
(whether male or female) to let his/her face be left open, if not on hygienic 
grounds, at least for easy identification at every step of his/her way, i.e. at 
banks, air-ports, hotels, shopping malls, public/corporate offices, and what 
have you –  one’s own home excluded.
On the other hand, if a person would come up to above places with the whole 
body covered, except for bare hands  two openings for the eyes, it would throw 
a huge veil of suspicion at points of entrance and thereafter – first of all, 
not knowing at first glance whether the burka-clad person is a man or a woman 
and secondly, whether the person has even the remotest links to terror.
NOTE: Perhaps we may soon see a ‘designer-burka’ with a silk laced opening for 
the face, in which case my whole exercise would be have been rendered futile.
 --
NOTE: Another one responded with a  sermon on human anatomy which I thought as 
much  confusing as irrelevant to what I said about the burka. The above answers 
will perhaps help put her mind at rest.
 
Bennet Paes

 
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--- On Fri, 16/7/10, Frederick Noronha fredericknoro...@gmail.com wrote:


From: Frederick Noronha fredericknoro...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Goanet] The Burka
To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org
Date: Friday, 16 July, 2010, 11:16 PM


Very interesting to see men define what is suitable for women to wear!
It is as if they were our property!

Would it be okay if women were to lay down their diktat on what the
menfolk of  their community and other communities had to wear?

To me it just appears to be an exercise in laying down rules for
someone else. Why not let everyone decide what they are comfortable
in? It is also interesting to see us define what is acceptable by
presuming that our own standards are the norm and normal! FN

Frederick Noronha
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On 16 July 2010 18:47, Nascy Caldeira nascy...@yahoo.com.au wrote:
 It is not only the Face that should be shown. Most parts of the Human body 
 are beautiful, more so a woman's legs, so there should be no restrictions on 
 'dressing up or not' like wise...

 --- On Fri, 16/7/10, From PAES bennetp...@yahoo.com wrote:
 THE BURKA
 By: Bennet Paes
 The world over, the part of a human body that is most
 visible to other humans is the face. Unlike those  parts
 that remain covered in privacy, it’s only the face that
 faces the task of determining one’s identity. In fact, any
...





[Goanet] The Burka

2010-07-16 Thread From PAES
THE BURKA
 
By: Bennet Paes
 
 
The world over, the part of a human body that is most visible to other humans 
is the face. Unlike those  parts that remain covered in privacy, it’s only the 
face that faces the task of determining one’s identity. In fact, any object on 
earth, animate or inanimate, is distinguished by what humans call, its face. 
Even the forthcoming Unique Identification Card (UID), an ambitious project 
embarked upon by the Govt. of India is meant for that very purpose. On the face 
of it, this may seem rather baffling, but it’s  true. Let’s see if it is.
 
I was greeted by a lady in the Gulf who recognized me after an absence of about 
a quarter-century. Obviously she guessed it  right, even without the help of 
‘Paul’ the octopus. I mean, simply by recalling  my face. On the other hand, I 
wondered inside of me, who this sweet sounding lady could be. Reason – she was 
covered from head to toe. Apparently, twenty-five years ago she didn’t wear 
that menacing mask, so we had met, exchanged looks and pleasantries  and 
remained acquainted thereafter. 
 
At that time crude oil hadn’t spilt so profusely into the oceans of  
fundamentalism as it does now. Nor did America’s wild attempts at imposing 
democracies in the unlikeliest of places, generate so much misplaced awareness, 
of what is now brazenly trumpeted as ‘human rights’. So, apparently emboldened 
by these factors and by her own religious beliefs, which again, scholars insist 
as misplaced, my friend may have been right in exercising her right. But 
unfortunately she was unfair to me in doing so. While she peeped at me through 
those two vantage openings in her burka, she denied me an honest look at her 
face and a return of her gesture, in a manner it deserved to be conducted in a 
civilized society. I was baffled.
 
Recently, French legislators declared a ban on the burka in public places i.e. 
in France, not in India. But ironically, debaters on Indian TV channels sprang 
into a slugfest over the French decision. One lady, whose presence on the panel 
was particularly noticeable by a glaring exposure of her dolled up face, argued 
that a lady wearing a burka in democratic France has every right to dress as 
she pleases, being a citizen of that country. What she did not mention is, 
whether that lady or her elders had peeped through holes at the time they were 
interviewed for their French citizenship, and yet got it. And I wonder what 
made them migrate, in the first place, to a country where a burka-clad lady 
could  easily pass for a ghost planted right up the Eiffel tower. And I also 
wonder why these Indian debaters agitate over that ban in France, while back at 
home the honour of ‘honour-killings’ remains as shrouded as that French lady in 
a burka.  
 
Honestly, and with due respect to human rights, suffocating un-hygienically    
inside a burka, even though in the midst of tightly-turbaned citizenry, to me 
is so unbecoming of a lady that needs to look free and fresh, and be admired 
for all the gracefulness of her femininity. Rather than outright banning, the 
burka could be made to look absolutely redundant in a terror stricken world 
that faces a ‘show of face’ every step of the way.
-
 
 
 




[Goanet] So it's Spain

2010-07-11 Thread From PAES
SO, IT'S SPAIN
 
If 'Paul'  had predicted 7 out of 8 correctly, it was a foregone
conclusion that Spain would take the World Cup home.

Oh, how it missed going a little to the west to Portugal!
Let's hope it will, the next time out of Brazil.
 
Bennet Paes




[Goanet] Freedom Fighter

2010-07-08 Thread From PAES
 
 
 
FREEDOM  FIGHTER
 
By: Bennet Paes
 
Having passed through the portals of three Universities, and yet failing to get 
past the freshman’s mark, I stumbled into a selective band  of Goans on the 
Indian side of the border. They prided themselves being called Freedom 
Fighters, (FF’s). That was way back in Bombay, in the 50’s.
 
By and large the FF’s looked  a dejected lot, just as I was, myself. And that 
may be just one reason for having to call ourselves ‘hail-fellows-well-met’. 
However, in a short while I discovered that the most  compelling reason why 
they were on the wrong side of the border, was their hatred for a foreign rule 
in our motherland or rather, the fear of the Portuguese masters themselves. 
Mine too was fear, but it was of an angry father who felt the pinch of 
converting Escudos for six long years, without seeing a single academic title 
on either side of his son’s name.
 
From the days of Mahatma Gandhi’s tryst with freedom, one prerequisite to be a 
‘Freedom Fighter’ came to be accepted as a short adventure in an Indian jail. 
Critics then called it  a picnic in prison. And may be rightly so. In today’s 
India, too,  people get  into a jail one day, bailed out the next and 
everything goes hunky-dory thereafter.
 
On the other hand, Portuguese jails were far removed from the romance of a 
Presley’s ‘Jailhouse Rock’. They were exactly what lawbreakers deserved to be 
in. Discipline was what they exacted out of an erring ‘rocker’, and the stick 
did the trick. However, their aversion to the so-called freedom-fighters roused 
them to raise that stick even higher. It’s because they branded them as  
terrorists – the very label that India now puts on Pakistanis marauding across 
the Kashmiri border, but which label Pakistan itself brushes off as ‘freedom 
fighters’. Amazing how pots and kettles can change colours with changing 
situations.
 
Incidentally, some of the freedom loving buddies in Bombay were already known 
to me while in Goa. They were also known for  tampering  with  the  strict  
law  and  order of the  Portuguese 
regime. However, in most cases they found themselves behind bars for offences 
unrelated to freedom or sometimes mistaken for it. For example, one of them, 
sloshed with local ‘feni’ one evening, passed by the Margao ‘quartel’ (police 
quarters) shouting out: “Jakin, Jakin”. In a drunken state he was only calling 
out to his wife to show him the way home. Instead, the officer guarding the 
post showed him the way to a cell right behind. Reason - he thought the man was 
shouting “Jaihind, Jaihind”, a slogan popular with the freedom-fighters of 
those days. Later the man was drained off the hooch, and beaten up to an extent 
that propelled him right on  the other side of the border.
 
Nevertheless, having been influenced by Mahatma Gandhi’s struggle for freedom, 
a path hugely accentuated by his courtship with prison-cells, the local machos 
also developed an appetite for  freedom of sorts. But what was under suspicion 
was their determination to fight for it. They tried to emulate the great 
Mahatma in so far as his sit-in’s were concerned. But his fasts- unto-death 
dreaded them as death itself. Particularly, the group that I came to be 
associated with, was hardly of the type that would deny itself a morsel for any 
cause on earth, freedom included.
 
Gandhi’s struggle for freeing a colonized nation  did have a bearing on the 
300-year old British struggle to coalesce that very nation. But ‘satyagraha’ 
was a different kettle of fish for the Portuguese. Such non-violent ploys to 
dislodge them from a 450-year hold on their “Estado da India Portuguesa” were 
in sharp contrast to those deployed by them to retain their supremacy on. They 
had used the sword – not a sit-in, to ward off persistent  rebellions by 
domestic dynasties in the past. The same tactics continued, even while dealing 
with non-violent dissenters. Although much credit goes to those Goans who put 
their lives on the block in their pursuit of freedom, the others merely rode on 
the back of Nehru’s “Operation Vijay” that eventually earned for them a place 
on the roll-of-honour, supposedly dedicated only to Goa’s men of mettle.
 
I was, neither this side, nor that side of the border when the 80,000-strong 
Indian onslaught reversed the history of Goa for good. But, from far away 
Kuwait I said to myself: oh, how I missed watching the grand spectacle from the 
sidelines, and   then declaring myself a Freedom Fighter!
 
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[Goanet] Portugal, again

2010-06-30 Thread From PAES
PORTUGAL, AGAIN

For Portugal, Shakira’s: “Vaka,Vaka“ might have ended, but the melody will 
linger on.

A nation of 10 million “herois do mar” that sailed the seas and spread the 
fever of football among nations bigger in size than its own, and produced the 
world’s most expensive exponent of the game, cannot just be wished away from 
living memories.

Cristiano Ronaldo may have failed to shine, as does the sun under cloudy skies, 
but take heart my fellow Goans. The next FIFA showdown is only four more years 
away, and let’s hope by then the clouds, too, will give way.

Bennet Paes 
Assolna Goa
1st July 2010





[Goanet] MONSOON MAGIC

2010-06-25 Thread From PAES
THE MONSOON MAGIC

By: Bennet Paes

Traditionally, we Goans have a-saint-a-season, and for a reason. St. Anthony is 
for the coming of rains and San Joao to get us drenched in it. But nothing of 
that sort happened, and only a few days ago we were soaking in sweat under a 
sweltering sun. The only consolation came, not surprisingly though, from the 
inimitable Indian meteorologists whose college curriculum now seems to include 
a subject called: ‘guessing games’. 

At first they said the southwesterly winds had already completed their damage 
over the Andamans and were now threatening  Kerala, which meant only two more 
days for us to sweat under. That, however, made great  news.

Not two days – four more went in waiting.  The sun still beat our rooftops and 
the earth parched drier. The famous weathermen then spun us into another 
glimmer of hope. They lectured us saying that ‘slight inaccuracies’ are always 
factored into weather predictions, which are further compounded by this 
phenomenon-come-lately known as global warming. We heard that sermon, as we 
usually do when men on earth talk about heavenly matters,  and went as far as 
pushing the pill further down.

But at last relief came our way. The sun went into hiding and let the clouds 
release a drizzle accompanied by a thunderous applause. Soon after, a downpour 
followed. It danced with the towering trees that had been longing for a partner 
all through the summer. The sweat on our shirts turned into little pools of 
water in our fields, the frogs ended their hibernation and croaked a symphony 
of sounds so reminiscent of our childhood days. It was green, green, green 
everywhere. 
By Jove! That was magic.







[Goanet] Portugal and Football

2010-06-22 Thread From PAES
PORTUGAL and FOOTBALL

It is strange that one billion plus Indians cannot produce 11 Indians that can 
find a place in the World Cup football tournament. But, if that ever happened 
and both, Portugal and India played each other, it would be tough for me to 
choose which side I would blow the ‘vuvuzela’ for.

The Portuguese flags fluttered on world screens yesterday, and they reminded me 
of the days when, as a school boy, they were the ones I first saw flying on 
Goan masts. Old memories die hard!!!  

Bennet Paes





[Goanet] The Bhopal Botch-up

2010-06-19 Thread From PAES
THE BHOPAL BOTCH-UP

By: Bennet Paes

Mired in a legacy of  lethargy, India is now trying to bring back the horse 
that had bolted away from its stable 26 years ago. That horse is one Mr. Warren 
Anderson, now 90, and living on borrowed oxygen. It’s almost like flogging a 
dying horse, but the Indians see wisdom in shutting, no matter how late, the 
very gate they had once  left wide open for Anderson to flee.

Let us for a moment imagine that they succeed, and Anderson is down here on a 
stretcher, hardly able to speak, and his lawyer doing the talking. Putting it 
bluntly, India tells him that he is accountable and charged for the Bhopal 
disaster. The lawyer rejects the charge saying, after 26 years it sounds like a 
‘broken record’ and prepares to file a counter suit. 

If it had taken 26 years for India to reach thus far, God alone knows how many 
more years it would take for a 90-year old Anderson to be finally convicted or 
acquitted. The ensuing judgment could at best only serve as an epitaph on his 
tombstone. 






Re: [Goanet] Open Questions to Churchill Alemao

2010-05-30 Thread From PAES
Richard  Betsy Nunes:

You might have irked the other 'True Goans' whose homes are palatial
and also got their children educated. The only difference is that they
chose to remain behind to serve their 'masters' and got hugely rewarded
in return.

Bennet Paes
Assolna, Goa

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 From: Richard  Betsy Nunes sourcing.nu...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [Goanet] Open Questions to Churchill Alemao
 To: goa...@goanet.org
 Date: Sunday, 30 May, 2010, 8:37 AM
 Kuddos to you, Eddie Verdes, You are
 absolutely right when you state that: As far as I know, Goan
 Tarvottis are the only True Goans who have worked hard on
 the ships, got their children educated and developed / built
 their own houses in Goa. We live in the Carmona / Cavelossim
 area and have discovered, to our delight, that the best big
 homes are in this area. During the Festive season, it is
 such a delight to drive around the inner pathways and see
 the massive Cribs that have been erected with love and such
 thoughtfulness. What's more these homes are well maintained
 and painted inside out on a very regular basis. Villagers in
 this area love their homes and we love living amongst them.
 They have made us so welcome and we thoroughly enjoyed the
 Festive Seasons here, Carol-singing in various homes,
 parties, relationships and friendships. The Chapel in
 Benaulim, Patrocino Church, offers such beautiful Church
 Services on a Saturday evening, their singing is great and
 inspiring too.
 We are retirees here in Goa from June, 2008 and have thus
 far enjoyed living in this area. Betsy and Richard Nunes
 




Re: [Goanet] Mega project by Mumbai based builder

2010-05-27 Thread From PAES
Alda,

If the days under Portuguese rule were dark, the nights would have
been even darker. Yet we slept with our windows open!

Bennet Paes
Assolna, Goa

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 From: Alda Figueiredo alda_juli...@yahoo.co.uk
 Subject: Re: [Goanet] Mega project by Mumbai based builder
 To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
 Date: Thursday, 27 May, 2010, 4:34 PM
 Dear Readers
 
 What prompted me to write this time is the issue raised in
 recent emails on the above mega project in the village of
 Carmona has been resurrected against the will of the local
 people.  During one of my visits to Goa I witnessed the
 scene of fierce fighting by locals to stop a similar
 project.  I was under the impression that the ghost was
 laid to rest forever.  It appears that the same ghost
 has come to haunt the village once again.  
 
 I love Goa and even though I do not live permanently in Goa
 I am very passionate about the welfare of Goa.  The
 Authority concerned should consider the needs of the locals
 by improving the already depleted facilities like water and
 electricity supply and garbage disposal.  All these
 factors cause immense hardship for locals living in small
 villages.
 
 Good luck to all those who are fighting for their rights to
 live peacefully and in comfort.  Maintain your cause -
 do not give up!  Otherwise, human disasters will ravage
 the state.  Goa has progressed well economically,
 socially and culturally after 48 years of liberation of Goa,
 despite some of the problems Goa is facing right now due to
 corruption.
 It will be a pity to go back to the dark days of Portuguese
 rule.
 
 A J Figueiredo
  
 
 
 
 




[Goanet] Kasab verdict

2010-05-07 Thread From PAES



KASAB VERDICT

India showed the world  that even hardened criminals are human, by giving Kasab 
a fair trial lasting over a year. Now, it may as well raise this greatness to 
greater heights, by giving a fallen criminal the treatment that a human being 
does not deserve to be paid in revenge. 

As one may recall, 10 Pakistanis were involved in the battles in Bombay, nine 
of whom were killed in the fight. That’s fine, but Kasab was captured live and 
the killings were over. Now, why kill a man who has no weapons to fight back 
with? That would amount to cowardice on an unlevel playing field, isn’t so?

More than a  year has already gone by with Kasab in detention, let more years 
be given him to tell the world who sent him to Bombay to kill. That would be 
coming right from the horse’s mouth, and that would stop all mouths in Pakistan 
from pronouncing denials.

Remember, even in trigger-happy America, Sirhan Sirhan is mercifully spared the 
gallows despite demolishing one of that country’s best known figures, Robert F. 
Kennedy.

Bennet Paes
Assolna, Goa





[Goanet] A quiz!

2010-05-02 Thread From PAES
A QUIZ!
If contraception is unnatural, immoral - can forced celibacy escape those 
adjectives?
Or, is my opinion on ‘contraception’ bigoted in the first place? 
I am a Catholic.

Bennet Paes





[Goanet] Old English Records

2010-03-21 Thread From PAES
Have a load of LP's (long-playing) English 'oldies' 33rpm and 45rpm too.
Anyone interested?

Bennet Paes


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[Goanet] MF Hussain

2010-03-08 Thread From PAES
M F HUSAIN

This guy professes that India is the country of his birth,
that he loves it and that he can return to it any time he chooses to.

 If that is not a lie, he could have lived and worked in any country of the 
world, still keeping his Indian passport under his 'brush'.

ZUBIN MEHTA, one of the world's greatest conductors of Philharmonic Orchestras  
lives and travels around the globe, but still keeps his Indian chilli and 
passport under his baton. That’s who you call a true Indian, who Husain could  
take a lesson from.

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[Goanet] Shashi Tharoor

2010-01-11 Thread From PAES
SHASHI THAROOR
By: Bennet Paes

It seems a slight departure, and a genuine one at that, from Nehru’s policies 
on world stage, create a hue and cry in Indian media.. Shashi Tharoor may be in 
Congress party and a Minister in its government, but talking on an 
international forum, or rather commenting on another speaker’s views honestly, 
is far from being disrespectful to the party. Vallabhai Patel too disagreed 
with Nehru on several issues, but they did stick together in the same party 
until the end. The PM and the Gandhi’s should better remember.

And what surprises me most is that the media, in their blind adulation of a 
Nehru, or of a Tendulkar, get irked whenever a word falls out of line of their 
perception. Instead, they should take a tip from Shashi Tharoor who, having 
been second in rank at the U.N. and having missed the top spot by a hair’s 
breath, only mirrored an aspect of  India’s foreign policy then, as seen 
through the eyes of the world at large. A case in point is the so-called 
liberation of Goa. He was bold enough to say that, and we need politicians like 
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[Goanet] MISPLACED CONCERNS

2010-01-05 Thread From PAES
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Happy New Year Twenty-Ten

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MISPLACED CONCERNS
By: Bennet Paes


Ads by Goa Traffic Police on front pages of HERALD say: “ Your safety is our 
concern” (who will believe this anyway!)

They also say: “If you’re drunk, don’t drive”. This makes sense when one is not 
drunk, yet. It also deserves to be taken seriously.

But when they say: “If you have  to drive, don’t drink”,  and literally exhibit 
what looks like a glass of whisky in their ads, is rather questionable in my 
opinion.

For example, in the days of old, Goans went to a wedding reception on foot. 
Usually the functions used to be in the neighbourhood or within some walking 
distances. Because marriages then  were usually “arranged”,  the process went 
so far as delving into three generations of parental history, and that took 
long enough to prepare the wedding couple to finally say: “I do”. Consequently 
fewer functions took place in a year, outside of the period of lent. 

Today, there is an explosion of marriage vows, come rain or shine,  resulting 
in a swell of celebrations that stretch over the length and breath of Goa. 
Therefore,  reaching out to meet those commitments , however selectively, is 
possible only on wheels which the Goa Police seem to be so obsessive about.

Now, let me ask this. When people attend  social functions, traditionally 
alcoholic drinks are served to enhance the spirit of the occasion. So people 
imbibe and celebrate, and soon it’s time to hit the road back home. Some 
privileged ones, including politicians of course, afford the luxury of a 
driver, but what about those that don’t? Should  they leave their vehicles 
behind and walk all the way home from ‘Blueberryhill’ with their partners in 
tow? 

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Re: [Goanet] Fast unto death

2009-12-16 Thread From PAES

Hello Augusto:

I said, Indian law might have been non-existent or not in force.
Apparently, it was existent, but not in force.

According to me courage lies in fighting - much less in fasting.

Thank you for your comments, nevertheless.

Bennet

--- On Tue, 15/12/09, augusto pinto pinto...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: augusto pinto pinto...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [Goanet] Fast unto death
 To: goanet goanet@lists.goanet.org
 Date: Tuesday, 15 December, 2009, 5:28 PM
 
 Bennet Paes wrote:
 
 Augusto:
 
 In my opinion, fasting unto death is the beginning of an
 act of suicide in
 slow motion. And in my opinion, suicide, or attempted
 suicide, or for that
 matter fast-unto-death, is cowardly,immoral and illegal.
 It is also so
 under the present Indian law.
 
 But it so happens that, at the time Gandhi went into those
 'fasts unto
 death India was still under the British rule, and Indian
 laws were either
 non-existent or could not have been in force..
 
 
 
 Dear Bennet
 
 When Gandhi went on his fasts unto death, the law of the
 land was more or
 less the same as exists today. The Indian Penal Code of
 1860 which is still
 in force is an exceptionally well written law. [Check
 Section 309. Attempt
 to commit suicide.] So whatever the action that could be
 taken today could
 have been taken then by the British. And yet the British
 government were not
 ready to act in an overly high handed manner against his
 fasts. Why?
 
 Well, the reason could be that what is legal is not always
 what is moral;
 and therefore using the law to act against someone who is
 behaving in an
 illegal but morally exemplary manner may cause moral
 outrage among the
 common people, the consequences of which could be highly
 inexpedient to deal
 with politically.
 
 As far as your contention that a fast-unto-death is
 cowardly I think you
 are talking off the top of your head. The vast majority of
 people (like ...
 ahem ... me ) would find it a bellyache to remain hungry
 for even  a day,
 even if it is good for their own health, forget about
 remaining hungry till
 one dies.
 
 Incidentally I believe it takes a great deal of courage to
 commit any kind
 of suicide. And when someone chooses to starve to death for
 a social cause,
 not just for personal reasons, then it is an expression of
 supreme courage.
 
 It is a kind of courage that far surpasses the courage
 needed to end one's
 life because one does not want to live for whatsoever
 private reason
 howsoever pressing, although even this takes some
 doing,  whether by
 flinging oneself in front of a train; or jumping into a
 well when one does
 not know to swim; or hanging from a rope; or consuming
 poison or whatever
 other manner.
 
 In all such cases one knows one's life is ended painlessly
 in a few seconds.
 Incidentally I think that those who do suicide bombings for
 some cause may
 be despicable, but they are certainly not devoid of
 courage,  although the
 process might be equally 'easy'.
 
 Serious fasts unto death where not only has one to bear
 physical agony but
 also one has to resist the pressure of many who will be
 appealing to you to
 give it all up,  cannot possibly be as 'easy'.
 
 Having said that, I would agree that the fast-unto-death
 method of social
 protest has been given a bad name by politicians who are
 not genuinely
 fasting-unto-death. They do it as a publicity stunt, and if
 they haven't
 been cheating in the first place, they abandon the fast at
 the first
 available opportunity.
 
 Rather than curb fast-unto-death actions by legal means -
 which will always
 result in moral victories for the hunger strikers - I feel
 that the
 Government should be ready to call the bluff of political
 jokers in cases
 where the fast-unto-death is done for what can be seen to
 be unjust or
 unsound reasons, by allowing the hunger strikers to die.
 They  should
 publicly state the reasons why succumbing to the threat of
 the hunger
 striker is unacceptable in the most reasonable manner and
 then face the
 consequences if the hunger striker is adamant about dying.
 
 BTW the most celebrated case of a fast-unto-death in Goa
 was the one where
 Prashanti Talpankar now Mrs Sandesh Prabhudesai and (I
 think) a gentleman
 named Padiyar had gone on a hunger strike in 1989. This was
 in protest
 against Dayanand Narvekar who was alleged to have molested
 one Sunita
 Haldankar in the premises of the Goa Assembly when he was
 the Speaker. My
 hurried googles were not so informative about this cause
 celebre. I wonder
 if someone can recall the incident better.
 
 Cheers
 Augusto
 


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Re: [Goanet] Fast unto death

2009-12-14 Thread From PAES

Mervyn,

1) When the Goan drunkard drank 10 beers,
his intention may or may not have been to kill himself, but if he had declared 
the former and if that had become known to the authorities, he ought to have 
been arrested before he got into his car.

However, if his intention was not to kill himself (as is with Goans who
polish even a bottle of had liquor, like I myself used to in the good ol'
days)but got killed in the process of drunken driving, we all can
only say: May his soul rest in peace, because there is no use flogging a dead 
horse, is there?

Bennet Paes

--- On Mon, 14/12/09, Mervyn Lobo mervynal...@yahoo.ca wrote:

 From: Mervyn Lobo mervynal...@yahoo.ca
 Subject: Re: [Goanet] Fast unto death
 To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org
 Date: Monday, 14 December, 2009, 8:41 AM
 
 Bennet Paes wrote:
  My contention is that any act that intentionally leads
 to one’s death, or for that matter to 
  anyone else’s death, is criminal and should be
 punishable under the law. 
 
 
 Bennet Paes,
 I guess I am not following you here.
 
 
 Lets take the case of the Goan drunkard who has 10 beers
 and then crashes his car/motor-bike
 into the nearest coconut tree, killing himself. My
 question is:
 How are you going to punish this guy?
 
 
 Mervyn1121Lobo
 
 
      
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[Goanet] IF TRUTH BE TOLD

2009-12-14 Thread From PAES






  




By: Bennet Paes 

Many, many years ago when God sent an angel and took my little sister away from 
us, it was heart-breaking to see my mother sob bitterly for days together. My 
father weathered the agony with less visible emotions, but hastened to 
commemorate the loss by placing an angel at the head of my sister’s marble 
tombstone. That was like asking the Lord: “Let the angel keep a watch”. But 
what was really thought- provoking was an old woman by my mother’s side 
consoling her diligently with these words: “Zaun, Devachich khoxi zali”. 

Over the years, those seemingly wise words, uttered in sheer submission to the 
will of God, helped me tide over many more family losses. But never did they 
strike me so eerily until another day of reckoning came to pass. This time it 
was an angel that swooped down on a taxi-cab that had just rammed into a 
lamp-post, instantly killing the driver and another occupant. Mysteriously 
enough, two others who survived were the very ones that had persuaded this 
occupant to join them on a journey that was destined to be fatal. Later, they 
recounted the harrowing loss of their loved classmate at the medical school, 
and unwittingly shattered the lives of three more. My son of 23 years was that 
classmate and gone forever, leaving behind his distressed mother and a sister 
to share in my sorrow.  

Does God send angels to kill? That was the most baffling question that drove me 
searching for answers and deep into despair. The words that had once eased my 
mother’s grief and aroused my imagination, tried hard to weed me out of a 
grudging rationale. The seven-year grooming that I had proudly received in a 
Jesuit boarding school came down hard to make inroads into a confused state of 
mind. All that failed, because it bit me where it hurt most. So I went on my 
way to proclaim to the world the bitterness, the likes of which transforms 
innocent men into irrational beings. Consequently, what spewed out of my pen 
was vicious venom: 

“ This thing called ‘God’ is only an illusion. Man has taught man to perceive 
it as lord almighty, all-loving and all-merciful. However, events unfold one 
after another to portray it differently. To my mind, ‘God’ is only a happening. 
It is neither animate nor inanimate, and it is devoid of conscience. It has no 
power to discern good from evil. It delivers reward or punishment with no 
relevance to goodness or badness. It rides roughshod on the very life it caused 
to create. Period.” 

Call it Marxism, Maoism, or whatever ‘ism’ that characterizes a radical 
departure from conventional beliefs. That was the strain of my thoughts 
spinning in a groove of  utter hopelessness. It took a while and it took its 
toll, before events began to take a full circle. Another angel, another 
mission? Yes, but this time to teach, not to tear. To restore sanity and show 
me the way. To reconcile, not to rebel. To revere, not to revile. To 
acknowledge that rewards and reverses are but two sides of the same coin. To 
grasp the sanctity of the words uttered by that old woman, and to discover that 
they were born out of an unfailing dedication  to the ‘Lord’s Prayer’– a prayer 
by which men of all faiths concede to their maker: “Thy will be done on earth, 
as it is in heaven”.
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Re: [Goanet] Fast unto death

2009-12-14 Thread From PAES

Augusto:

In my opinion, fasting unto death is the beginning of an act of
suicide in slow motion. And in my opinion, suicide, or attempted 
suicide, or for that matter fast-unto-death, is cowardly,immoral and illegal. 
It is also so under the present Indian law. 

But it so happens that, at the time Gandhi went into those 'fasts unto death 
India was still under the British rule, and Indian laws were either 
non-existent or could not have been in force. According to the former Attorney 
General of India, Soli Sorabjee, fasting unto death is a criminal act, and 
Gandhi, Vinobha Bave and other political leaders were guilty of that crime.  
Now you may form your own judgment about what I think.

Bennet

--- On Mon, 14/12/09, augusto pinto pinto...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: augusto pinto pinto...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [Goanet] Fast unto death
 To: goanet goanet@lists.goanet.org
 Date: Monday, 14 December, 2009, 9:13 PM
 
 Bennet Paes wrote:
  My contention is that any act that intentionally leads
 to one's death, or
 for that matter to
  anyone else's death, is criminal and should be
 punishable under the law.
 
 I wonder what Mr. Paes thinks about a bloke named Mohandas
 Karamchand
 Gandhi.
 
 Just wondering
 
 Augusto
 
 
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Re: [Goanet] Fast unto death

2009-12-14 Thread From PAES

In my opinion, hardly any.

Bennet

--- On Mon, 14/12/09, J. Colaco  jc cola...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: J. Colaco  jc cola...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [Goanet] Fast unto death
 To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org
 Date: Monday, 14 December, 2009, 7:44 PM
 
 2009/12/13 Mervyn Lobo mervynal...@yahoo.ca:
 Lets take the case of the Goan drunkard who has 10 beers
 and then
 crashes his car/motor-bike into the nearest coconut tree,
 killing
 himself. My QUESTION is: How are you going to punish this
 guy?
 
 ANSWER:
 
 I'd remind him of the modified Nunes principle:  Thou
 shalt not have
 that much of an interest in de beers
 
 and apply the law as per Bennet:  if the authorities
 come to know
 about it, that person should be immediately arrested and
 taken into
 custody
 
 BTW: What, may I ask, is distinction between arrest and
 take into custody?
 Hint: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/arrest
 
 good wishes as always
 
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Re: [Goanet] Fast unto death

2009-12-12 Thread From PAES

If someone goes on a fast, it’s fine. In fact it’s good for health. But, if 
that someone, no matter who, and no matter what the motive is, declares that 
the fast is unto death, i.e. he will fast until he dies, it amounts to an act 
of suicide (although in slow motion).

My contention is that any act that intentionally leads to one’s death, or for 
that matter to anyone else’s death, is criminal and should be punishable under 
the law. Does anyone have the right to end one’s life, even under any religion?

Bennet Paes


--- On Sat, 12/12/09, Venantius J Pinto venantius.pi...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: Venantius J Pinto venantius.pi...@gmail.com
 Subject: [Goanet]  Fast unto death
 To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
 Date: Saturday, 12 December, 2009, 11:52 AM
 
 Among the whoever else: Could we apply these criteria to
 Irom Chanu Sharmila
 from Manipur. no, No, NO. I will not go further.
 
 Anyone please only respond after learning more about this
 woman. Or just let
 it go. But re valuate your thoughts.
 She does no need our Goanet pre-Christmas waltzes.
 
 venantius j pinto
 
 
 
  Message: 8
  Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:55:39 -0800 (PST)
  From: From PAES bennetp...@yahoo.com
  To: Goa Net goa...@goanet.org
  Subject: [Goanet] Fast unto death
  Message-ID: 990829.93499...@web38908.mail.mud.yahoo.com
  Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
 
  FAST UNTO DEATH
 
  Refusing to take food or drink is intentionally
 causing an act leading to
  death. It is suicide. And suicide is criminal.
 
  1) Therefore, fasting unto death is suicidal, and
 criminal.
 
  2) Therefore, it is a legal and moral obligation of
 the concerned
  authorities to prevent death by fasting, whenever it
 comes to their
  knowledge.
 
  3) Therefore, politicians or whoever else resorting to
 what they
  fashionably call ?hunger strike? must be put in a
 jail, rather than be
  fussed about in a hospital.
 
  What?s your take?
 
  Bennet Paes
  Assolna, Goa
 
 
 
 


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Re: [Goanet] Fast unto death

2009-12-12 Thread From PAES

In my opinion, if the person publically declares he/she is going into fast unto 
death, or if the authorities come to know about it, that person should be 
immediately arrested and taken into custody. While in custody he/she, inspite 
of persuation, advice, etc., dies of hunger, starvation, etc., so be it. But 
the fact remains that the authorities will have done their job in preventing 
that person from taking his/her own life, which is criminal under the law.
Fasting unto death is suicide in slow motion. How does law handle sucides?

Bennet Paes

--- On Sun, 13/12/09, J. Colaco  jc cola...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: J. Colaco  jc cola...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [Goanet] Fast unto death
 To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org
 Date: Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 3:11 AM
 
 Bennet PAES bennetp...@yahoo.com:
 
  If someone goes on a fast, it’s fine. In fact it’s
 good for health.
 But, if that someone, no matter who, and no matter what the
 motive is,
 declares that the fast is unto death, i.e. he will fast
 until he dies,
 it amounts to an act of suicide (although in slow motion).
 
  My contention is that any act that intentionally leads to
 one’s
 death, or for that matter to anyone else’s death, is
 criminal and
 should be punishable under the law. Does anyone have the
 right to end
 one’s life, even under any religion?
 
 ===
 Response
 
 I am just wondering:
 
 Does Bennet suggest that such a person (IF an adult) 
 be:
 
 (a) Force-fed BEFORE death can occur  or
 
 (b) Sentenced to imprisonment / death IF death occurs
 
 jc
 


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[Goanet] Fast unto death

2009-12-11 Thread From PAES

FAST UNTO DEATH

Refusing to take food or drink is intentionally causing an act leading to 
death. It is suicide. And suicide is criminal.

1) Therefore, fasting unto death is suicidal, and criminal. 

2) Therefore, it is a legal and moral obligation of the concerned authorities 
to prevent death by fasting, whenever it comes to their knowledge.

3) Therefore, politicians or whoever else resorting to what they fashionably 
call “hunger strike” must be put in a jail, rather than be fussed about in a 
hospital.

What’s your take?

Bennet Paes
Assolna, Goa



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