Re: [Goanet] Pompous Foolish ignorant Blind Goans?? ignore Goa's destruction/ Mourning and Sorrow ........but ready to organise proxy Dances, festivals

[Mari Silva]

Yes! I support him too. He is fire brand. We need to kick the  foolish
goans. Only then will they understand. Songs and  tiatros and social media
has failed to open their eyes.

On Fri, 27 Jul 2018, 7:55 a.m. Bernado Colaco,  wrote:

> Credit must go to Miguel Barreto, he is trying to bring awareness to the
> foolish Goans. It is time to support him.
>
> BC
>
> On Thursday, 26 July 2018, 23:39:25 GMT+8, atanasio lobo <
> atanasiol...@outlook.com> wrote:
>
>
> Dear Miguel Barretto,
>
> I appreciate your concern for Goa and our Motherland Goa. But you blaming
> all the Goans who are having parties, boozing and having a good time is a
> bit too far fetched and totally unreasonable.
>
> Yes, boozing, partying and merry making is a Goan Culture, and we need to
> do this to reward ourselves for our had work and to celebrate our
> successes. We Goans who are outside Goa cannot be expected to wear mournful
> faces and do fasting and penance for our brothers in Goa. Yes we sympathize
> with them, but they are the ones who are un-concerned, perpetually sitting
> on their hands and not doing anything appropriate to better their miserable
> situations. In short, the Goans in Goa are dumb and they have brought this
> upon themselves which they well deserve. Yes they seem to be comfortable,
> immune or maybe even blind to what is happening and what is going to
> happen. For an example, the FREE GOA petition that I put up on change.org
> http://chn.ge/2BjKAls  has till today the least amount of signatures from
> Goans in Goa and more signatures from Goans Overseas. We can lead a horse
> to the water ...
>
> Goans in Goa are themselves having a party all the time. They eat, drink
> and enjoy more than we, the Goans overseas. Once they start starving and
> get pulled out into the streets and burnt alive, that is the time they will
> open their eyes. Now their tummies are full and they have various
> philosophical ideas why not to do anything about their status. Once the
> tummies are starved and there is threat to their very existence, their
> minds will probably open up and there will be a revolution - like the
> French Revolution.
>
> Till then, let us lay back, sympathise in our spare time and say VIVA GOA
> that used to be our Motherland. I myself sacrificed the prime of my youth
> in Goa for Goa and Goans and left for Canada totally frustrated by the Goan
> attitude before I got too old to provide a good life to my wife and kids.
> God helps those who help themselves.
>
> Cheers
>
> Atanasio Lobo (Nash)
> Canada
> --
> *From:* Miguel Barreto 
> *Sent:* July 26, 2018 9:44 AM
> *To:* BB AAssoc4994; Atanasio Lobo; Floriano Lobo; Bernado Colaco;
> Cinzasqueimar Pereira; Goatoronto Info; joego...@yahoo.co.uk; Goanet
> Info; micae...@rediffmail.com; Salus Correia; Francisco Monteiro; BB
> Goansofamerica; Arwin Mesquita; Judith Almeida; Viola Pereira; Pedro Lopes;
> goanet@lists.goanet.org; Goaforgiving Info; Carmen Miranda; Neshwin
> Almeida; Dr Olav Albuquerque; Jose Marie; airesrodrig...@yahoo.com;
> airesrodrigu...@gmail.com; another...@gmail.com; Mari Silva; Joseph L. R.
> Vaz; jason_keith_fernan...@yahoo.co.in
> *Subject:* Re: Pompous Foolish ignorant Blind Goans?? ignore Goa's
> destruction/ Mourning and Sorrow but ready to organise proxy
> Dances, festivals
>
>
> Correction :- few Handfull  Goans ,..not all
>
> Hi  All
> Have you ever seen a Human being / Righteous Goan  or simple common sence
> Goan , who  dances, organises parties, festivals  in UK, USA, Austrialia,
> Europe...   while his own mother/ Motherland  is being ripped off, openly
> destroyed  and is on the verge of total destruction ???
>
> Very soon  Goans in UK will have Goan Day on 5th Aug , as other NULL Blind
> Goans will do in other part of the world where they  will dance,  booze,
> and behave as though Nothing is wrong in Goa and the suffering Goans in
> Goanor will they raise concerns about the loot and plunder of Goa
> .and how to get together to save Goa before too late.!
>
> What a Pride ???  and honor and self proclaimation/ false fame they seek
> . to fool whom !!
>
> They say "Idiots"  is much better word  then  "Blind double mouth
> Judas/Pharisees "
>
> So i just  pray  on God:-- May these Blind JUDAS be rebuked by God soon
>  .and may God too ignore their sorrow, cries and  hopelessness  as
> Goans in Goa are going through , because  Goans living in other part of the
> world  have become BLIND  JUDAS .
> My God   do to them the same when they need Help or need someone to help
> them.
> Amen.
>
> As for us , we will SEEK  Gods HELP ( Way , truth and life)  and also
> SEEK   HELP from those Nations, allies to save Goa before too Late.   And
> we will prevail in the end.
> Amen
>
> NOTE:   I don't  trust   NIZGOENKAR - DOUBLE FACE   JUDAS ,  WHO LIES
> EXPOSED
>
> Barreto.
>

Re: [Goanet] Pompous Foolish ignorant Blind Goans?? ignore Goa's destruction/ Mourning and Sorrow ........but ready to organise proxy Dances, festivals

[Mari Silva]

Goans are in a compromised state. You can't blame the commonman who just
wants to live a normal live and is continuously trying to find a way to
better his living. Unfortunately for goans, this has been our unfortunate
fate and Nash has rightly said worse is still to come.

 I don't think it will be like a French revolution as goans would be vastly
outnumbered but some sort of civil unrest may happen before we are finished
for good.

Our only hope is intervention of UN or the world powers to give justice and
I see the Free goa petition as the only ray of hope aimed towards this end.

As regards to goans in Goa, I have had favourable response from most in
goa. I am sure if some ground level grass root effort is made the petition
to the UN will go viral. We need to keep pushing the petition and not give
up because of the few Judases around.

Just my view.
Regards,
Mari

On Thu, 26 Jul 2018, 4:39 p.m. atanasio lobo, 
wrote:

> Dear Miguel Barretto,
>
> I appreciate your concern for Goa and our Motherland Goa. But you blaming
> all the Goans who are having parties, boozing and having a good time is a
> bit too far fetched and totally unreasonable.
>
> Yes, boozing, partying and merry making is a Goan Culture, and we need to
> do this to reward ourselves for our had work and to celebrate our
> successes. We Goans who are outside Goa cannot be expected to wear mournful
> faces and do fasting and penance for our brothers in Goa. Yes we sympathize
> with them, but they are the ones who are un-concerned, perpetually sitting
> on their hands and not doing anything appropriate to better their miserable
> situations. In short, the Goans in Goa are dumb and they have brought this
> upon themselves which they well deserve. Yes they seem to be comfortable,
> immune or maybe even blind to what is happening and what is going to
> happen. For an example, the FREE GOA petition that I put up on change.org
> http://chn.ge/2BjKAls  has till today the least amount of signatures from
> Goans in Goa and more signatures from Goans Overseas. We can lead a horse
> to the water ...
>
> Goans in Goa are themselves having a party all the time. They eat, drink
> and enjoy more than we, the Goans overseas. Once they start starving and
> get pulled out into the streets and burnt alive, that is the time they will
> open their eyes. Now their tummies are full and they have various
> philosophical ideas why not to do anything about their status. Once the
> tummies are starved and there is threat to their very existence, their
> minds will probably open up and there will be a revolution - like the
> French Revolution.
>
> Till then, let us lay back, sympathise in our spare time and say VIVA GOA
> that used to be our Motherland. I myself sacrificed the prime of my youth
> in Goa for Goa and Goans and left for Canada totally frustrated by the Goan
> attitude before I got too old to provide a good life to my wife and kids.
> God helps those who help themselves.
>
> Cheers
>
> Atanasio Lobo (Nash)
> Canada
> --
> *From:* Miguel Barreto 
> *Sent:* July 26, 2018 9:44 AM
> *To:* BB AAssoc4994; Atanasio Lobo; Floriano Lobo; Bernado Colaco;
> Cinzasqueimar Pereira; Goatoronto Info; joego...@yahoo.co.uk; Goanet
> Info; micae...@rediffmail.com; Salus Correia; Francisco Monteiro; BB
> Goansofamerica; Arwin Mesquita; Judith Almeida; Viola Pereira; Pedro Lopes;
> goanet@lists.goanet.org; Goaforgiving Info; Carmen Miranda; Neshwin
> Almeida; Dr Olav Albuquerque; Jose Marie; airesrodrig...@yahoo.com;
> airesrodrigu...@gmail.com; another...@gmail.com; Mari Silva; Joseph L. R.
> Vaz; jason_keith_fernan...@yahoo.co.in
> *Subject:* Re: Pompous Foolish ignorant Blind Goans?? ignore Goa's
> destruction/ Mourning and Sorrow but ready to organise proxy
> Dances, festivals
>
>
> Correction :- few Handfull  Goans ,..not all
>
> Hi  All
> Have you ever seen a Human being / Righteous Goan  or simple common sence
> Goan , who  dances, organises parties, festivals  in UK, USA, Austrialia,
> Europe...   while his own mother/ Motherland  is being ripped off, openly
> destroyed  and is on the verge of total destruction ???
>
> Very soon  Goans in UK will have Goan Day on 5th Aug , as other NULL Blind
> Goans will do in other part of the world where they  will dance,  booze,
> and behave as though Nothing is wrong in Goa and the suffering Goans in
> Goanor will they raise concerns about the loot and plunder of Goa
> .and how to get together to save Goa before too late.!
>
> What a Pride ???  and honor and self proclaimation/ false fame they seek
> . to fool whom !!
>
> They say "Idiots"  is much better word  then  "Blind double mouth
> Judas/Pharisees "
>
> So i just  pray  on

[Goanet] Carlos Cordeiro

[Mari Silva]

Please don't create confusion. We need to teach our children our proper
history. It only shows how brainwashed generation we are.

Everyone born in Goa before 1961 is a portuguese.

But yes if you are a genealogy/ethnicity expertAs a Matter of
professional curiosity you could delve into his DNA and see if his
ancestors has white, black or blue skin. Or of course if you are a
shameless Racist.

Cheers
Mari






Message: 2
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2018 18:41:37 +
From: Gabe Menezes 
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!"

Subject: Re: [Goanet] Carlos Cordeiro
Message-ID:

[Goanet] Subject: Re:Women who drink beer...Where is the Uniform civil code.

[Mari Silva]

 The serious point we are missing here is that in goa we have the uniform
civil code. Man and Women have equal rights. Now.

legally I believe  the CM can be taken to court.

Morally we need to see how BACKward in goa have we  reached today. May be
in a few more years he may talk about SATI.

Cheers
Mari



Message: 7
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2018 04:43:23 +0530
From: Bernice Pereira 
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!"

Subject: Re: [Goanet] Women who drink beer...
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Content-Type: text/plain;   charset=utf-8

Rico, this guy is absurdity personified.  What is this guy talking about
women drinking beer today. It?s not today?s story man. We?ve been drinking
beer for ages.  From age 14, I?ve been drinking beer. I?ve never made a
fool of myself and Have been a responsible person throughout - at my job
and as a parent. That I feel is most important for a woman. Needless to
say, today at the other end of the age spectrum, no liquor for me.


**

[Goanet] Debate on Free Goa Petition - Truth and mail

[Mari Silva]

Thank you Professor for your email and your promise to get expert help from
your history department colleagues. (It would be great if they could also
join us on the goanet list)  EXPERT and FACTUAL discussion is what the
common layman like me and the children of our Mother Goa need.

I do not blame you for the lack of information on goan history since 1961
when the Indian territory of Goa Daman and Diu was created. I was born in
the 60s and did my schooling in 1970s and 80s. Not even a line of our goan
history was taught to us. It took a  private initiative by Sr. Mr. Lobo to
educate us through the petition with so much of our history. He deserves
highest credit for the same. Well done and thank you Sr. Lobo. I resent not
being taught my Goan history.

I consider that
1. Not Giving Plebiscite for the Goan people is a fundamental human rights
issue.
2. Not being taught our goan history is a human right issue.
3. Dividing Goa on Religious grounds is against the Indian constitution.


If It is OK for the list administrator and the members of the list, I would
like to suggest an open truth and mail discussion at our own leisure  with
the following guidelines:

1. The discussion is on the Free Goa Petition   http://chn.ge/2AIJ2jA   and
the Events since 1961.
2. It is a peaceful, Civilised, all participative, serious discussion
respecting the Goan values of Equality, Liberty and brotherhood for the
sole purpose of increasing our understanding.
3. We could start the discussion with what should be the guidelines and add
more agreed by the participants.



Cheers,
Mari


Dear Professor (  HOD Political science.Goa University )

As regards to your Lay understanding let me reply to your corresponding
points as below:

  1. Honestly, I see no ambiguity in the first sentence. India as a
political entity as existing today (sans Goa Daman and Diu and Dadra and
Nagar Haveli) was born only in 1947. The petition clearly states that the
sub continent called India did exist  before that. The State as implied in
"Estado da India" is the State of Portugal from the Sub continent of India.
Da in this context means "from the" in Portuguese. This is obvious as Goa
was a state of portugal. Goans who know portuguese should easily understand
this.(Any portuguese EXPERT please clarify)

Of all the nations in the world, very few political entitites  existed so
back from 1510. E.g. USA-  born after 1770, UK- born after 1800, Australia
- after 1900, Brazil after 1720 etc... to name some few came into being
much much much later. The 1510 refers to the start of the Association with
Portugal. What is significant here is that "Estado da India" which actualy
means "Portuguese state from India" existed before 1947 when India was
born. Again no ambiguity for me.

2.  This point of yours seems a bit banal. Every place in the world has a
unique heritage.

3. Only EXPERTS can answer this. Lay persons like you and me will create
more confusion.

4. Absolutely true. As I see it, the "Free Goa petition" is another route
for the same cause to save our Mother Goa and the Goan identity. I have not
picked up any sides. I support all of them. I support all the warriors of
Goa. Common people of Goa are fed up with false promises and the need of
the hour is to save Goa. This is mine and every goan's deepest concern as
you have rightly observed.

5. The above is solely my own Lay understanding. We need EXPERT and
AUTHORATIVE clarifications with FACTUAL  references.


Cheers
Mari




Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2018 08:23:42 +0530
> From: "Head, Political Science Dept" 
> To: goanet@lists.goanet.org, fredricknoron...@gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goanet Digest:Vol 13, Issue 47 and kind request
> to Professor HOD Political science.Goa University
> Message-ID:
>  gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> Dear Mari,
> Thanks for your post and desire to know the history and circumstances as
> stated in the said petition by Mr .Lobo.Unfortunately neither me or my
> colleagues at the department have a core expertise on that phase of Goan
> History which you seek to clarify and our understanding of the same is
> based on what we gather from secondary resources and writings which are in
> the public domain.But I promise you to dig deeper with my more knowledgable
> colleagues in History Department and get back to you soon.However, permit
> me to say the following based on my lay understanding of what I can make of
> Mr Lobo's painstaking, yet seemingly misplaced petition.
> 1.The first sentence of the petition itself is problematic and hilarious to
> say the least where he contradicts himself."India was born only in
> 1947"...and goes on to imply further that Goa was never part of India as
> India never existed until 1947'.at the same time he says that Goa was
> established as 'Estado da India in 1510 and was continuous existence for
> 451 years 

Re: [Goanet] Goanet Digest, Vol 13, Issue 47 and kind request to Professor HOD Political science. Goa University

[Mari Silva]

> Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2018 20:09:48 -0500
> From: Eric Pinto 
> To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!"
> 
> Subject: [Goanet] My idea of success.
> Message-ID:
>  ail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> His detention under sedition statues.
>


Why would this happen? And the children of Goa and the world will watch?. I
dont know Anastasio but I think he has done a marvelous job in putting up
facts of around 1961 in the petition. (All these events  have gone towards
the birth of Current Goa. All these have to be taught in our school
history. Not giving a plebiscite to decide and not taught their history is
itself a human rights issue ) The Goan petitioners are seeking justice for
their mother Goa in a civilised peaceful way. The justice sought is only as
per the laws of  The World Order and UN Charter, of which India is the
member. Why should anybody object to this. Everybody from CM to PM
understands that special status has to be given to Goa to safeguard its
identity. They have publicly promised this. Unfortunately, I am told that
their hands are tied because of the  Indian constitution.  Hence it is
required to go to the UN. This is the right way as Goa's place is
international. Let the UN decide.

I am also happy that a knowledgeable and Learned Professor who is the HOD
Political science of Goa University, is a member of this forum. Could the
learned Professor  throw some light on all the events stated in the "Free
Goa petition"?   http://chn.ge/2AIJ2jA   Are these factually correct.?
Could we debate and discuss transparently and openly so that the petition
becomes even stronger and the Justice is Finally given to our Motherland
Goa. Thanks a million

Cheers,
Mari