Re: [Goanet] 'parisan propaganda' and / or 'rumour mongering'

2008-10-31 Thread Santosh Helekar
The failed attempts at deception in Marshall’s latest propaganda piece against 
me in this thread are:

1. He falsely implies that my short general comments on an Ingrid Albuquerque 
article that I posted are somehow different from a general comment that I made 
on a Gurumurthy article posted by someone else, and that the former constitutes 
a response to a writer that violates this assertion of mine:
Any reasonable person would note that it is pointless to respond to writers 
who cannot defend themselves in this forum. It suffices for one to point out 
that they have a partisan bias, as I did with regard to Gurumurthy article, and 
as others did with regard to Gautier et al.

Previously he had untruthfully stated that it was I who had posted the 
Gurumurthy article on the net. Please see:
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-October/082742.html for
Santosh was enamoured by S Gurumurthy’s article which he posted on the 
net.
.Marshall Mendonza

2. He labels me as a consummate politician simply because I did not answer some 
rhetorical questions that he had apparently asked with the intention of 
cornering me. 

One should note that I have already provided examples in support of my 
contention that Marshall has engaged in partisan propaganda and rumor 
mongering. In addition, he has provided unverified information and slanted 
opinions from the following partisan propaganda websites:
http://christianpersecutionindia.blogspot.com
http://freerepublic.com
http://www.persecution.in
http://orissaburning.blogspot.com
http://www.cbcisite.com

3. He makes the absurd claim that a rumor cannot be termed as inaccurate or 
bogus information, and that because I do so I am intellectually dishonest and 
lacking in humility.

Cheers,

Santosh



--- On Thu, 10/30/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 2. Like a consumate politician he neatly skirts answering
 questions when he is cornered. ...
.
 Wouldn't one call this lack of intellectual honesty and
 humility to accept one's mistakes?
 And he calls himself objective and levelheaded!!! What kind
 of conclusion can one derive?
 





[Goanet] 'parisan propaganda' and / or 'rumour mongering'

2008-10-30 Thread marshallmendonza
1.Santosh wrote;
Any reasonable person would note that it is pointless to respond to writers who 
cannot defend themselves in this forum. 
Comment:
Santosh contradicts himself as he commented on Ingrid Albuquerque's article 
even though she was not able to respond on this forum. Refer:
http://www.goanet.org/post.php?name=Newslist=goanetinfo=2008-September/authorpost_id=080803
http://www.goanet.org/post.php?name=Newslist=goanetinfo=2008-September/authorpost_id=080957
Wouldn't one call this doublespeak and hypocrisy? 

2. Like a consumate politician he neatly skirts answering questions when he is 
cornered. Refer:
http://www.goanet.org/post.php?name=Newslist=goanetinfo=2008-September/authorpost_id=080788
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-October/082779.html

3.Santosh wrote:
He denies that the bogus story of the nun can be termed as a rumor, and blames 
me for calling it that.
Comment:
First he refers to the report on the burning of the girl at the orphanage as 
'inaccuracy'.Refer:
Quote:'Ms. Fernandes raises very good points. She also appears to have 
corrected an inaccuracy that was propagated in this forum, namely that a nun 
was burned to death. The truth is that she was a Hindu girl. In either case it 
is an atrocity.'
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-October/082277.html
Then to score brownie points he terms it as 'rumour'.Refer:
Quote:'When there is a communal riot it is important not to propagate rumors 
that might further inflame communal passions.'
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-October/082532.html
And now he goes one step further and calls it 'bogus'
Quote:' He denies that the bogus story of the nun can be termed as a rumor, and 
blames me for calling it that'
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-October/082869.html
Wouldn't one call this lack of intellectual honesty and humility to accept 
one's mistakes?
And he calls himself objective and levelheaded!!! What kind of conclusion can 
one derive?

Meanwhile I have just read the sad news that Fr Bernard Digal who was severely 
beaten up by the VHP / BD goons expired due to his injuries. I have no more 
interest in continuing this debate with Santosh which will lead nowhere. 
Santosh can have the pleasure of having the last word.

Regards,

Marshall


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Re: [Goanet] 'parisan propaganda' and / or 'rumour mongering'

2008-10-28 Thread Santosh Helekar
--- On Mon, 10/27/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
Finally, I must say that I am disappointed that Santosh lacks the 
intellectual honesty and humility to accept where he is wrong but would 
continue to flog and grind an issue until the other party gives up in 
exhaustion.
 

Quite predictably, Marshall now passes another self-serving judgment against me 
based on bogus accusations and calumnies that he has manufactured against me in 
his last post in this thread. Let me just enumerate below the kinds of cheap 
political tactics he has used to malign me:

1. After initially falsely claiming that I had applauded some partisan writers 
who are not members of Goanet, now he is blaming me for not criticizing their 
writings. Any reasonable person would note that it is pointless to respond to 
writers who cannot defend themselves in this forum. It suffices for one to 
point out that they have a partisan bias, as I did with regard to Gurumurthy 
article, and as others did with regard to Gautier et al.

2. He faults me for suggesting that there are only some examples (not all) of 
partisan propaganda and rumor mongering on his part. I have provided examples 
that I happened to read. To any impartial person, it should be obvious that it 
is too much to expect somebody to read all his more than 30 or so recycled 
reports from the news media and partisan websites.

3. He denies that the bogus story of the nun can be termed as a rumor, and 
blames me for calling it that.

4. After using the words sick and prejudiced to possibly describe my mind, he 
blames me for not noting some commas that he used.

5. He lifts a statement of mine referring to Mario Goveia's observation, and 
falsely suggests that I was referring to Gurumurthy's article, asking me the 
following question, laced with innuendo:

Could Santosh kindly enlighten us on the historical evidence that he saw? We 
too would like to be enlightened. And now he denies that he found the article 
credible. He would make a skilful politician indeed!!!

6. After asking me to post examples of partisan propaganda and rumor mongering 
on his part, he now accuses me of cherry picking because I called his bluff and 
provided a few examples.

Cheers,

Santosh