[Goanet] How Goans argue: HERALD(Goa), May 8-10, 2009

2009-05-13 Thread Mario Goveia

Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 13:05:40 +0530
From: "Valmiki Faleiro" 

What follows is a serialised 3-part story of a recent debate at Goanet. It was 
carried in the ?Herald? (Goa) editions between May 8-10, 2009. Happy reading, 
but if you?re threatened with martyrdom from boredom, please don?t click 
?DELETE? before you?ve read the last four Paras at the bottom ? they?re gist of 
the rigmarole that preceded!
Rgds, v

Mario responds:

Valmiki,

Saiba boggus!  I would never hit DELETE for a vintage Valmiki essay.  Besides, 
that would hardly help because such an indiscretion would still haunt me from 
the eternal Goanet archives:-))

Because of the warning above, I scanned the first few paras to get the gist and 
then went straight to the fourth para from the end.  I swear I really tried to 
follow what was going on.  Unfortunately, I fell asleep after the second para 
from the end, but not before I understood with appreciation the promotional 
value of this essay for Goanet, which is described as "...the largest internet 
forum of Goans worldwide"  Wow!

I wonder if that's why people stood up and applauded when I entered Rio Rico 
last February?  Naaah!  I must be dreaming:-))

I promise I will have to finish reading this stimulating article as soon as I 
wake up, sometime tomorrow, perhaps, or maybe if I cannot fall asleep tonight 
might be a good time:-))

Oh, shoot!  I inadvertantly hit the DELETE button.  Thank God for the 
archives:-))





[Goanet] How Goans argue: HERALD(Goa), May 8-10, 2009

2009-05-13 Thread Valmiki Faleiro



What follows is a serialised 3-part story of a recent debate at Goanet. It was 
carried
in the ‘Herald’ (Goa) editions between May 8-10, 2009. Happy reading, but if 
you’re
threatened with martyrdom from boredom, please don’t click ‘DELETE’ before 
you’ve
read the last four Paras at the bottom – they’re gist of the rigmarole that 
preceded!
Rgds, v


HOW GOANS ARGUE
By Valmiki Faleiro

The poll is over. People’s verdict lies sealed in EVMs (electronic voting 
machines.)
To be opened May 16, after the entire country completes the voting exercise.

The Sunday before polling in Goa, in a postscript to my ‘Herald Mirror’ column,
asking readers to exercise their franchise, I added tongue-in-cheek, “In North 
Goa,
you have one for the former (Congress/NCP), one for the latter (BJP). In South 
Goa,
you’re luckier. You have one for the former, and a choice of two for the 
latter!” I was
obviously alluding to Mathany Saldanha.

That statement miffed Samir Kelekar and sparked a protracted debate on Goanet
(www.goanet.org), the largest internet forum of Goans worldwide. May I share 
that
exchange here. Among other things, it shows how we Goans argue our point!

Samir and Uday Barad, who later joined issue, are both about the same age as I.
Both hold doctorates in their fields from the USA. Both hail from Margao like 
me. I’ve
met neither in person, but personally knew the dads of both, Gurunath Kelekar 
and
the late Govind Barad.

Hardly had my ‘Herald Mirror’ column of April 19 appeared at Goanet, when Samir
fired the first salvo, captioned “Is Mathany communal?” He wrote:

“I am amused to read … Valmiki Faleiro hinting at Mathany's fondness towards 
BJP.
The question that needs to be answered is – is Mathany communal? Mathany did
side with BJP as against the Congress. If Mathany gets elected, will he support 
BJP
or Congress?

“Mathany has made the following clear in the ‘Herald’ interview yesterday. That 
he
will support anyone who has the good of Goa in their heart and in the policies. 
Sure
dirty communalism can spring its head up anytime. But, I am sure we can trust
Mathany not to side with Modi's version of politics.”

I replied: “I have not suggested that Mathany is communal. But, please do say, 
is
there any doubt who he will support if he wins? Why shelter under ambivalent
utterances like ‘support anyone who has the good of Goa in their heart’? I give 
10 out
of 10 to Mathany on loyalty. There's none like him in the breed of Goan 
politicos
today. If he wins, I have no doubt who between the UPA and NDA our dear Mathany
will support.”

A Dubai-based gent I know, Cedric da Costa, perched in: “The equation is 
simple, we
do not have to go hammer and tongs against Valmiki Faleiro and his Sunday 
column.
Every kid in Goa knows that Mathany has volunteered to be a surrogate candidate 
...
to deliver a saffron-blooded baby!”

Samir surprisingly went off at a tangent, saying: “Jesus said – let one who has 
not
committed sin throw the first stone. I would like to know the contribution of 
the
following to Goa in the past few years: (1) Valmiki Faliero, (2) Digambar 
Kamat, and
3) Auduth Timblo. Only when they have done so, they have the right to comment on
Mathany. Otherwise, they ought to shut up!! Jai Hind!”

Surprised that the issue changed from Mathany’s loyalty to my ‘contribution to 
Goa,’
under a new title called “Contribution of Valmiki, Digambar, Timblo to Goa” I 
said:
“Before you ask, follow your own (quoted) rule and tell us what your own 
contribution
to Goa has been ‘in the past few years.’ Then, maybe, I understand what you 
want to
know about me. Jai ho!”

To Samir’s call on “contribution to Goa,” the humour columnist Cecil Pinto 
wrote:
“Both Valmiki and Digambar have stood in elections for public office and won. 
They
have contributed to Goa. I agree with you that Mathany is relatively a better 
choice
but if you are asking anyone who is critical to first show what is their 
contribution to
Goa then you should do first. What, Samir, is your contribution to Goa and is 
more
(or better) than that of the three you have named? (Before Samir asks: my
contribution is to have made a few Goans laugh occasionally.)”

Samir replied: “Cecil says that Valmiki, Digambar have won public office and so 
have
contributed to Goa. While I don’t want to comment on specific cases, and I will 
take
their answer at face value, Cecil seems extremely naive about the whole concept 
of
holding office. The raking of crores on holding office is a criminal activity 
and cannot
be by any means called contribution to Goa. Indeed Valmiki himself through his
column told us of crores being raked in by some current ministers.

“As to what are my contributions. They aren’t much but surely whatever little 
they are,
I am extremely proud of. As director of Infotech Corporation, I have fulfilled 
my duty
keeping in mind the highest tradition of serving the people. Though I could have
easily raked in crores, I not just refused but expo