Re: [Goanet] A pair of shoes
--- On Wed, 17/12/08, Frederick "FN" Noronha wrote: It's amazing to see how much news a pair of shoes can cause in these days of televised news: I wonder what is the Goan equivalent of an insulting gesture made to someone you dislike? FN -- Well, that's easy! Spit Paan on the person's face and dance the giggolo! Nascy Caldeira. Stay connected to the people that matter most with a smarter inbox. Take a look http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/smarterinbox
Re: [Goanet] A pair of shoes
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 04:40:29 +0530 From: "Frederick \"FN\" Noronha" Ashow Row Kavi (whom I usually don't agree with) on the SAJA mailing list... interesting point: SOMEONE had to tell Bush he is not liked; that the rest of the world is totally horrified of the unwaranted invasion of Iraq that has killecd millions of innocents in :"colateral damage". Mario responds: I have no idea who Ashow Row Kavi is that Fred agrees with in this instance, but the guy is obviously either abysmally ignorant of what has gone on in Iraq for the last several years, or is sympathetic to the tyrants who oppressed it previously. To begin with, the rest of the world was horrified at Saddam Hussain's defiance of the UN, not at his removal, which is why the UN passed 17 resolutions on the issue of the missing WMDs. Iraq in its new liberated form has since been recognized by the UN as a free and sovereign nation. The only ones who were horrified at Saddam's removal were those who prefer a brutal dictatorship by a small cabal to a free democracy for 25 million Muslims. Apparently, these include Mr. Kavi and Fred. Secondly, after deposing the Saddam regime and helping the Iraqis form a government, the coalition forces are in Iraq at the request of the Iraqi government which needs them to stabilize their nascent democracy until they can secure themselves, which will take another few years. Thirdly, the liberation of Iraq was hardly unwarranted unless someone is clueless about the 17 UN resolutions over 12 years that Saddam did not comply with, including the ultimatum in UN 1441 for him to disclose what he had done with his WMDs of face severe consequences. Fourthly, anyone who is not deaf, dumb or blind would know by now that the vast majority of innocents killed in Iraq have been killed by Al Qaeda and a small number of Shia and Sunni sectarian extremists. The inevitable collateral damage by coalition forces is due to the terrorists hiding among and behind innocent civilians while attacking, not to mention those critics who can immediately re-classify a dead terrorist into an innocent civilian since both look exactly the same. Mr. Kavi wrote: But he has a right to do that as an Arab -- and human being -- who saw the horrors of what a powerful nation is doing to people who just want to be left in peace to work out their fate. Mario responds: To begin with, it is unethical and unprofessional for a journalist to get so emotionally involved in his reporting. Secondly, the rest of the statement above is unadulterated codswallop since the "powerful nation" is in Iraq at the behest of the Iraqi government which has asked them to stay until they are ready to take over. Mr. Kavi wrote: Unlike his present employer, I would definately tell him that he's been a bad journalist but a great activist and honour him as such. I would be very careful of his subsequent reports whether his honesty was getting the ahead of his objectivity and check his facts carefully as a chief sub. Mario observes: This confused mentality shows that Mr. Kavi has ethical problems of his own and I would be very careful of anything he writes lest it be biased and misleading. Mr. Kavi wrote: His being "embedded in his Arab nationalism" was a very human reaction to something that is impossible to not be a part of. In fact it must be honoured because that is giving us the other side to this war. Mario observes: Even more codswalllop. Al Zaidi illustrated the side that would have preferred a continuation of the Saddam Hussain regime, which is the same side Mr. Kavi and Fred happen to be. The other side is that most of Iraq has been pacified, Al Qaeda is on the run and Iraq is well on the way to its democratic destiny, thanks mostly to President Bush, delayed only by those who would deny by force the democracy the Iraqis have voted for. If it hadn't been for the small number of Islamic terrorists and their desperate and homicidal attempt to deny the Iraqis their desire for freedom and democracy, with the moral support of Mr. Kavi and apparently Fred, Iraq would have been well on the way to peace and prosperity by now. Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 18:47:24 -0800 (PST) From: Mervyn Lobo Whole we are having fun on Goanet,... Mario observes: The only ones who are having fun at this puerile act of defiance that embarrassed sensible Iraqis and their government are those who sympathize with the previous regime in Iraq and disapprove of its removal, just like the ungrateful Al Zaidi apparently does as well. BTW, the miscreant had apologized for his transgression and is begging for pardon. http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9555QEO0&show_article=1 So much for his committment to his cause.
Re: [Goanet] A pair of shoes, gloves off !!
Mario wrote: > > The fact that you are ruing unfounded rumors of fractured arms and ribs > shows how far Iraq has come since their liberation from Saddam Hussain, > when this ungrateful maniac would have been dispatched to meet with > Allah before leaving the interview room. > Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:58:53 -0800 (PST) From: eric pinto Bush press room, with US reporters describing screams, and a blood stained floor. He was seized by Alawi's personal guard (Al Dawa-las ! ) and has not been in US custody at any point since his seizure. 'East is East', Mario, the General in the coup attempt against Hasan was brought to the palace for coffee with the king the day he was shot. A picture was made available to the press. Mario responds: The only reason the security guards did not take him out immediately was because they had searched everyone and knew he had no weapons. His use of footware was a unique occurrence they did not anticipate. What's next? Using underwear filled with intestinal waste produsts, which is what they actually use at Club Gitmo. I don't know which "East" you are referring to, Eric. However, this guy would not have left the room alive under Saddam's regime, which is the point I was trying to make about the freedoms now available to Iraqis, which this ungrateful reporter has been unable to appreciate.
Re: [Goanet] A pair of shoes, gloves off !!
eric pinto wrote: > In the 'green zone' was my slant, so sorry. The original 'work up' occurred >right next door to the Bush press room, > with US reporters describing screams, and a blood stained floor. He was > seized by Alawi's personal guard > (Al Dawa-las ! ) and has not been in US custody at any point since his > seizure. Folks, Whole we are having fun on Goanet, here is a more sober Canadian view of the situation. http://www.thestar.com/article/555603 Mervyn3.0 __ Instant Messaging, free SMS, sharing photos and more... Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger at http://ca.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/
Re: [Goanet] A pair of shoes
2008/12/18 Mario Goveia : > Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 23:03:40 -0500 > From: "Bosco D'Mello" > > Aye-aye-aye.at the risk of irking 'amcho Bushacho > posko'why ungrateful.he/his family/his tribe might have > benefited from the SH largesse, no?? Ashow Row Kavi (whom I usually don't agree with) on the SAJA mailing list... interesting point: SOMEONE had to tell Bush he is not liked; that the rest of the world is totally horrified of the unwaranted invasion of Iraq that has killecd millions of innocents in :"colateral damage". If that someone was a journalist, too bad but that's the way the cookie crumbled. I personally think Al Zaidi stopped being a journalist and suddenly took out and put on his activist hat when he threw those shoes. But he has a right to do that as an Arab -- and human being -- who saw the horrors of what a powerful nation is doing to people who just want to be left in peace to work out their fate. Unlike his present employer, I would definately tell him that he's been a bad journalist but a great activist and honour him as such. I would be very careful of his subsequent reports whether his honesty was getting the ahead of his objectivity and check his facts carefully as a chief sub. His being "embedded in his Arab nationalism" was a very human reaction to something that is impossible to not be a part of. In fact it must be honoured because that is giving us the other side to this war. I would like to read his reports on Iraq and then judge him as a reporter but I was worried when his brother said he "detested America".
Re: [Goanet] A pair of shoes
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 23:03:40 -0500 From: "Bosco D'Mello" Aye-aye-aye.at the risk of irking 'amcho Bushacho posko'why ungrateful.he/his family/his tribe might have benefited from the SH largesse, no?? Mario responds: Irking only can be achieved with facts. Fantasies, only amusement. This could only be "Aye-aye-aye" to the uninformed, or those who don't read the news reports perceptively enough. SH largesse? Don't know yet because I have not seen any reports to indicate whether he was a Shia or Sunni. However, I saw one report that said this ungrateful bas, er, reporter was a supporter of Mookie Sadr, who is also ungrateful because his Father was assassinated by SH.., er, SH and Mookie was unable to return to Iraq until Bush got rid of SH. So, I have no idea what his beef, ...er, mutton is. To address Eric Pinto's tender concerns over Al Zeidi's health, a brother assures us he is fine. I think he realizes he could have been dead. http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/bush-shoe-thrower-beaten-in-custody-14111726.html Excerpt: But another brother, Maitham al-Zaidi, later said he had spoken with the shoe thrower on the phone and he had said: "Thank God I am in good health."
Re: [Goanet] A pair of shoes
> Mario responds: > > when this ungrateful maniac would have been dispatched RESPONSE: Aye-aye-aye.at the risk of irking 'amcho Bushacho posko'why ungrateful.he/his family/his tribe might have benefited from the SH largesse, no?? Somebody sent me a weblink to a Norwegian website where 3.5 million people have thrown an i-shoe at Bush. And like most issues these days, its running riot on Facebook. There is also a story that Bush is happy he did not liberate Holland insteadclogs!! So much for Late Night television. Nevertheless, Bush has left us with memorable weaves and bobs.perhaps De La Hoya should have taken a few lessons from Bush before being thrashed by Manny last weekend. At the end of the day, Bush (43) was Mario's second-most favorite President. Just like me, albeit for different reasons...;-)!! - b
Re: [Goanet] A pair of shoes, gloves off !!
> > More than a pair of fractures, several, in fact: an arm and several > ribs, at last count. They are still working on him, on hold in > the 'green zone'. eric. > Mario responds: Eric, The fact that you are ruing unfounded rumors of fractured arms and ribs shows how far Iraq has come since their liberation from Saddam Hussain, when this ungrateful maniac would have been dispatched to meet with Allah before leaving the interview room.- In the 'green zone' was my slant, so sorry. The original 'work up' occurred right next door to the Bush press room, with US reporters describing screams, and a blood stained floor. He was seized by Alawi's personal guard (Al Dawa-las ! ) and has not been in US custody at any point since his seizure. I agree with a Times reader who pointed out that Bush is "the President of every American when he travels abroad", so the affront is to the country.Iraqis saw a violation of Arab rules that govern conduct toward a guest, with the reporters in the role of hosts, not political opponents. 'East is East', Mario, the General in the coup attempt against Hasan was brought to the palace for coffee with the king the day he was shot. A picture was made available to the press.eric.
[Goanet] A pair of shoes
eric pinto ericpinto2 at yahoo.com Tue Dec 16 16:33:36 PST 2008 > > It's amazing to see how much news a pair of shoes can cause in these > days of televised news. > > More than a pair of fractures, several, in fact: an arm and several > ribs, at last count. They are still working on him, on hold in > the 'green zone'. eric. > Mario responds: Eric, The fact that you are ruing unfounded rumors of fractured arms and ribs shows how far Iraq has come since their liberation from Saddam Hussain, when this ungrateful maniac would have been dispatched to meet with Allah before leaving the interview room.
Re: [Goanet] A pair of shoes
eric pinto wrote: >> It's amazing to see how much news a pair of shoes can cause in these days of >> televised news. > More than a pair of fractures, several, in fact: an arm and several ribs, at >last count. > They are still working on him, on hold in the 'green zone'. eric. Doc, The journalist is not guilty of anything. The reason he got fractures is because he got beaten up by security that has been trained by the US. If there were real Iraqi's involved, the journalist would have got his hands chopped off. For missing. Twice. Returning to Goan insults, one of my favourites is when one of your partners makes a mistake in Lardis. That's when he is told, "It will take you 30 years" (to learn the game). Mervyn3.0 __ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com.
Re: [Goanet] A pair of shoes
"Frederick "FN" Noronha" wrote: > It's amazing to see how much news a pair of shoes can cause in these days of > televised news: http://news.google.co.in/news?q=bush+shoes&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&rls=FlockInc.:en-US:official&client=firefox&um=1&hl=en&sa=X&oi=news_group&resnum=1&ct=title > I wonder what is the Goan equivalent of an insulting gesture made to someone > you dislike? FN FN, This one is easy. Invite another Goan over for dinner and don't serve seafood. Mervyn3.0 BTW, the shoe throwing incident was purely ceremonial. __ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com.
[Goanet] A pair of shoes
I wonder what is the Goan equivalent of an insulting gesture made to someone you dislike ? Asks FN Dec. 16 Simple. Walk in opposite direction and just before say 10 metres or so from your nemesis, turn your head sideways and spit on the ground.
Re: [Goanet] A pair of shoes
It's amazing to see how much news a pair of shoes can cause in these days of televised news. More than a pair of fractures, several, in fact: an arm and several ribs, at last count. They are still working on him, on hold in the 'green zone'. eric.
[Goanet] A pair of shoes
It's amazing to see how much news a pair of shoes can cause in these days of televised news: http://news.google.co.in/news?q=bush+shoes&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&rls=FlockInc.:en-US:official&client=firefox&um=1&hl=en&sa=X&oi=news_group&resnum=1&ct=title I wonder what is the Goan equivalent of an insulting gesture made to someone you dislike? FN -- FN * Independent Journalist http://fn.goa-india.org M: +91-9822122436 P: +91-832-2409490
