[Goanet] Are Muslims In India Appeased?
One oft repeated propaganda of the sangh parivar is that muslims have been continuously appeased in India. Here is an article which critically looks at the reality. Read on. http://www.countercurrents.org/matheikal230209.htm
[Goanet] Are Muslims In India Appeased?
Muslims are still in the clutches of their religious gurus. These religious gurus oppose setting up of School near madarass. These religious gurus keep Muslims away from main stream education. Politicians keep this religious gurus happy for their gain.. This is basic appeasement. Now a move is going on to make Shariat Law applicable, is it taking community forward or backward? Which Muslim reformist has won election in Muslim dominated locality? Shrikant Vinayak Barve Get perfect Email ID for your Resume. Grab now http://in.promos.yahoo.com/address
[Goanet] Are Muslims In India Appeased?
From: SHRIKANT BARVE Subject: [Goanet] Are Muslims In India Appeased? Muslims are still in the clutches of their religious gurus. These religious gurus oppose setting up of School near madarass. These religious gurus keep Muslims away from main stream education. Politicians keep this religious gurus happy for their gain.. This is basic appeasement. Mario responds: This may be a problem in part of the Muslim community. However, ordinary Muslims are better off and more progressive in India than in any Muslim majority country, except Turkey. Shrikant wrote: Now a move is going on to make Shariat Law applicable, is it taking community forward or backward? Mario responds: If it succeeds, definitely backwards. Muslims who want Sharia law should move to Swat or Waziristan:-)) Shrikant wrote: Which Muslim reformist has won election in Muslim dominated locality? Mario responds: I have no idea. Perhaps progressive Muslims should move to localities where Muslims do not dominate. Besides, how many such localities exist in India? Couldn't be too many as a percentage of India's population.
[Goanet] Are Muslims in India Appeased?
Marshall Mendonza refered us to the following article: http://www.countercurrents.org/matheikal230209.htm which contends that there is no Muslim appeasement in India. I would like to mention following actions taken by the secularists: * While the Hindu Code Bill was rightly introduced, there was no move to change the archaic laws, in case of the other communities. * The facilities given to the education institutes of the religious minorities have been grossly misused. * While a state funded education institute belonging to a religious minorities can teach its own holy books, teaching of the Hindu scriptures is not permitted. * The laws permit, rightly, that the use of funds with a temple are monitored by the government, and suitable action is taken where the affairs are not run in the best interest of the society. No such provision exists for places of worship of the religious minorities. * Article 370 of the Constitution, although conceived as a temporary measure, is still on the statute. Although some of the sections have been deleted, the most important (which says that any act passed by the Parliament is applicable in Jammu & Kashmir only after the state assembly accepts it, giving the latter an effective veto over the Parliament) part still remains. * The law relating to property in J&K (not a part of Article 370) has made the people of the state feel that they are different from the other people of India. * The changes in the child adoption bills were dropped because of the resistance of the Muslim clergy. * The date of introduction of the Aligarh Muslim University Bill was changed, since it fell on a Friday, and the Muslim MPs thought it more important to go for their namaz rather than fulfill their duties in the parliament. * A private members bill to regulate conversion was opposed by the Christian and the Muslim clergy, and the government subsequently thought it fit not to pursue with it. * The Supreme Court Judgement on the Shah Bano case was overturned, at the insistence of the religious leaders of the Muslims. (The maintenance allowance asked to be paid was only Rs 250 per month.) * A national holiday on the Prophet Mohammed's birthday was announced at the time of the Independence Day speech of the Prime Minister. * No follow up action has been taken on the recommendation of an independent committee to look into the abuse of powers of the Syedna over the Bhori community. * The list of the candidates of a political party had to be approved by the Shahi Imam, to ensure that the party has his support. * India was the first country to ban Satanic Verses, even before any of the Islamic countries. * The Minorities Commission (recently given statutory provision) enables a member of a religious minority to get justice at a different plane than a Hindu against whom the sane injustice has been done. It is for this reason that the Minorities Commission should be replaced with a Human Rights Commission. * The General Affairs Committee of the Lok Sabha under the chairmanship of the Speaker took a unanimous decision to start each session with the national song "Vande Matram". But the day before the start of the session, sore Muslim MPs objected because they claimed the song is idolatry'. The 'secular' political parties supported them. * The then communist government in Kerala carved out a new district on the basis of Muslim majority. Similarly, the DMK government in Tamil Madu changed the name of Dindigul District to Kaide Millat District. * Urdu is made the second language of Bihar and Uttar Pradesh by the state Congress governments. Clearly these actions do establish that there is appeasement. I agree that the lot of the Muslims in India is not a happy one. The above actions were done to make the Muslim communal leaders happy, so that these leaders would try and force the community to vote according their instructions. Given that the secular media makes a big issue of importance of Muslim vote, clearly the average Muslim is influenced by these leaders. Best regards, Dr. U. G. Barad
[Goanet] Are Muslims in India Appeased?
Barad is at his confusaoed best when he narrates his dhobi list of grievances emerging from his hindutva mindset. 1. he is unable to distinguish between constitutional guarantees and acts of appeasement. 2. he seems to be unaware that urdu is an Indian language and that many of our early bollywood films were made in urdu.Urdu was spoken predominantly in the north in places like Punjab, Delhi, UP and parts of what are now in Pakistan.Khushwant Singh the well known writer is proficient in urdu, as is Kuldeep Nayyar former editor of Indian Express. Urdu was spoken by both hindus and muslims, especially the elite. However, due to communalisation, the hindus were forced to drop urdu as their language. It is still, however, spoken by a large number of people till today. Urdu is a rich literary language and it will be the nations loss if it is allowed to die. 3.Laws banning the purchase of property in Kashmir is not unique to Kashmir. Similar laws exist in Himachal Pradesh and other north-east states.These laws were specially enacted to protect the culture and ethos of these states. Goans too have been demanding enaction of similar law to protect land from being sold to non-goans and to preserve their culture. 4.While complaining about the haj subsidy given to muslims, Barad forgets to inform us that Gujarat also provides subsidies to hindu pilgrims going to Mansarovar. Further during BJP rule at the centre, the haj subsidy was increased. And can we forget the amusing sight of Vajpayee throwing iftar parties and going around in a skull cap. Pray, what do you call this? 5.So far as adoption is concerned, I do not know what stops the BJP or the Congress from enacting a common law (like the Special Marriage Act) which would apply to all irrespective of their religious affiliation. Goa has common civil laws which have worked wonderfully for all. 6. Freedom of Religion is a fundamental right and tinkering with it by hindutva elements was rightly opposed. 7. The minorities commission has been doing wonderful work within the constraints imposed on it. It also looks after hindu interests in states where they are in a minority like Kashmir and the north eastern states. 8.Hindus are given special tax benefits under the HUF. Why does Barad not oppose this? Muslims have been used and abused by all political parties. Sops like haj subsidy, holiday on Prophet Mohammed's birthday have proved counter-productive. It leaves little tangible benefit for the common masses who want food, clothing, shelter, education and employment. . No doubts there have been acts of omission and commission, but these have been blown up beyond all proportion to politically capitalise on them. The muslim community too have been to an extent cause of their own backwardness. They lack the leadership and mindset to take them into the 21st century. But as a nation, we all need to remember that unless all sections of the people are taken care of, the country will always lag behind. That is the challenge before our leadership. Regards, Marshall
[Goanet] Are Muslims In India Appeased?
Muslims are still in the clutches of their religious gurus. These religious gurus oppose setting up of School near madarass. These religious gurus keep Muslims away from main stream education. Politicians keep this religious gurus happy for their gain.. This is basic appeasement. Now a move is going on to make Shariat Law applicable, is it taking community forward or backward? SHRIKANT BARVE Reply: Chapter 9, Verse31 of the Qura'n clearly states that Muslims should not listen to 'Any One'. "The Qura'n is so simplistically and beautifully written that any one can understand it, therefore we do not need rabbis and priests like other religions have, to advise us". If it is so written, why is that they have Mullahs? ED. --- Note to moderators: (moderators again, will question my authenticity on this - WELL, 'the Qura'n' via Channel 4 documentary - want a copy? will do so gladly - everything I say here is Kosher - it is you lot who have not lived long enough and seen much, therefore whatever I say is a Shocking unbelieveable news for you lot). ED.
[Goanet] Are Muslims in India Appeased?
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 19:31:46 +0530 From: "Dr. U. G. Barad" I agree that the lot of the Muslims in India is not a happy one. Mario asks: Hanh???!!! Compared to whom? Besides, how would you know? Some of the most well known and well liked and influential and wealthy Indians are Muslims. I know many Muslims in India who are happy that they are better off than their counterparts in almost all the so-called Muslim countries, educationally and socially and professionally, and free to practice their religion without interference from radicals. They can access the many opportunities available to them through the Indian government as well as private charities if they want, or stay backward and ignorant if they want.
[Goanet] Are Muslims In India Appeased?
In response to the list of various acts, Marshall says that I am not distinguishing between constitutional obligation and others. Yes, I know that the constitution talks about special treatment to non-Hindu educational institutions. But surely education is a secular issue. So, if government control on education institutes for non-Hindu institutions is not to be done, then it should not be done for ALL institutions. Furthermore, the constitution does not say that it is an obligation for a state government to carve out a district based on its being a Muslim majority. In a way, Marshall has accepted that there are various acts being done which are for benefit of Muslims and other minorities. Despite the fact that ordinary Muslim is not benefitted, let us not try and get away from the fact there is a programme to appease the Muslims and other minorities. Recently, the Kerala state government has announced that it would be giving free land to educational institutes which are run by minorities. And the Andhra Pradesh government has announced subsidy to Christians to visit Israel, on lines of the Haj subsidy. Marshall has pointed out that the Gujarat government gives subsidy to Hindus to visit Mansarovar in Tibet. This is as a reaction to the Haj subsidy, and other state governments have not made similar gestures. In contrast, we see the protest from many secularist to the facilities that are planned to be provided for the Amarnath Yatra in Jammu & Kashmir. I think that the MJ Akbar has stated the Hindu side nicely when he wrote: "The Hindu who has quietly watched mosque and dargah expand around him, explodes when a few acres are denied to pilgrims on the arduous trek to Amarnath. He has seen Haj Houses sprout around him for Muslims on their way to Mecca. These rest houses are not temporary structures created for the two months involved in the two-way journey for Haj; they have become permanent community centres. He asks a question: why should he be denied a place for tired feet on the way to Amarnath? Is it a punishment to be a Hindu in India?" Best regards, Dr. U. G. Barad
[Goanet] Are Muslims In India Appeased?
Hi Mario, You can quote as much as you like. The Qur'an was NOT written in Arabic. All that you have quoted and copied and pasted is a Translation. The Qur'an as is related and followed by the Mislims today is a Translation from another language. Therefore it is NOT a direct word of God but 'lost in translation word of God'. THIS IS A FACT - CHECK IT OUT. Just because you are a moderator you think you know it all. ED.
[Goanet] Are muslims in India appeased?
Barad: let us not try and get away from the fact there is a programme to appease the Muslims and other minorities. Response: Here is a news story from the Times of India. I would like to hear what hindutvavadis like you and Natekar have to say. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/BSY-grants-Rs130cr-for-temples-to-ward-off-predecessors-sins/articleshow/4198439.cms Regards, Marshall
[Goanet] Are Muslims In India Appeased?
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 04:56:45 -0800 (PST) From: edward desilva Hi Mario, You can quote as much as you like. The Qur'an was NOT written in Arabic. All that you have quoted and copied and pasted is a Translation. The Qur'an as is related and followed by the Mislims today is a Translation from another language. Therefore it is NOT?a direct?word of God but 'lost in translation word of God'. THIS IS A FACT - CHECK IT OUT. Just because you are a moderator you think you know it all. Mario responds: Edward, I may be your worst nightmare, but you need to wake up and read posts before responding to them:-)) Here, try again:-)) http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-March/174515.html I think your comments should be addressed to Bosco, who certainly knows it all, who is a moderator whose comments you are apparently addressing while putting my name on it, :-))
[Goanet] Are muslims in India appeased?
Marshall writes: Barad: let us not try and get away from the fact there is a programme to appease the Muslims and other minorities. My response Marshall: Here is a news story from the Times of India. I would like to hear what hindutvavadis like you have to say. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/BSY-grants-Rs130cr-for-temples-to-w ard-off-predecessors-sins/articleshow/4198439.cms The Karnatka government collects more than this amount from the temples which are managed by the government. I am surprised that Mashall does not know this, given his penchant for collecting so much information. Best regards, Dr. U. U. Barad
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From: edward desilva > Chapter 9, Verse31 of the Qura'n clearly states that Muslims should > not listen to 'Any One'. > "The Qura'n is so simplistically and beautifully written that any one > can understand it, therefore we do not need rabbis and priests like > other religions have, to advise us". > If it is so written, why is that they have Mullahs? RESPONSE: Instead of refering to ED's thoughtless rants, please refer to the following links for readings/translations of the Koran (Chapter 9) that appear authentic: http://www.searchquran.org/?k=9:21&t=1&h=off&noar= http://www.harunyahya.com/Quran_translation/Quran_translation9.php http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/koran/koran-idx?type=DIV0&byte=282392 > Note to moderators: > (moderators again, will question my authenticity on this - WELL, 'the > Qura'n' via Channel 4 documentary - want a copy? will do so gladly - > everything I say here is Kosher - it is you lot who have not lived long > enough and seen much, therefore whatever I say is a Shocking > unbelieveable news for you lot). NOTE on behalf of moderators: ED...Your posts are neither informative nor thoughtful and are instead cacophonous laced with jeering. Not only are your posts discordant but boorish in nature too!! Your credentials do not potray you as an expert on the religion of others. As far as your posts go, you dont need to amend your writing style; the moderators will henceforth make one small modification while rejecting your messages - you will get no explanations!! Rejecting your msgs on a daily basis is definitely a waste of the moderators' time!! - Bosco Goanet Admin http://www.goanet.org Where Goans Connect
