[Goanet] Attacks on Christians in Karnataka
Santosh Helekar: The real question that all sensible and rational Goanetters need to ask is the following: What credible information and whose credibility assures us that the larger picture is not based on overzealous generalizations from typographical errors, and exaggerated and fraudulent figures? Response: The real question that all sensible and rational Goanetters need to ask is the following: What is the credibility of the above poster? Regards, Marshall
[Goanet] Attacks on Christians in Karnataka
Anil Desai: I believe strongly that the only way these attacks will stop overnight is when the BJP government in Karnataka is replaced by secular Congress government. The proof which Marshall will supply very easily is in the fact that Marshall does not write on violence in Orissa any more. Goanetters might not know this but this can be credited entirely to the fall of the BJP government at the last election. Response: I could not agree with Anil Desai more. Karnataka has changed for the worse with the advent of the BJP. Things can only but improve if the BJP is voted out. Orissa is far more peaceful today than it was when the BJP was a coalition partner, though it still has to return to normalcy. When there are no more acts of violence against Christians in Orissa and nothing is reported in the media, there is nothing on this count to disseminate, unless of couse Anil Desai as a sangh parivar sympathiser has some inside information of their activities which is unknown to us. Goanetters need to be cautioned against all this backdoor activity to bring the BJP in Goa back. The Goa Suraj Party is a better option. Regards, Marshall
Re: [Goanet] Attacks on Christians in Karnataka
It sure looks like my question hit its mark. As Jose correctly implied, how can one trust someone who posts information that he knows contains typographical errors, and allows Goanetters to be misled by that erroneous information? For credible information regarding the vandalism in Karnataka, please consult the following website of the Somasekhara Commission of inquiry: http://www.jbkscoi.org/ Cheers, Santosh --- On Tue, 9/7/10, Marshall Mendonza mmendonz...@gmail.com wrote: Santosh Helekar: The real question that all sensible and rational Goanetters need to ask is the following: What credible information and whose credibility assures us that the larger picture is not based on overzealous generalizations from typographical errors, and exaggerated and fraudulent figures? Response: The real question that all sensible and rational Goanetters need to ask is the following: What is the credibility of the above poster? Regards, Marshall
Re: [Goanet] Attacks on Christians in Karnataka
[1] Santosh Helekar wrote/asked: The real question that all sensible and rational Goanetters need to ask is the following: What credible information and whose credibility assures us that the larger picture is not based on overzealous generalizations from typographical errors, and exaggerated and fraudulent figures? [2] Marshall Mendonza responded thus: The real question that all sensible and rational Goanetters need to ask is the following: What is the credibility of the above poster? RESPONSE: I cannot respond on behalf of all sensible and rational Goanetters. I can only respond on behalf of myself. I would hope that all sensible and rational Goanetters would look at individuals and individuals posts and ask the following questions: a: Does Santosh Helekar exaggerate or massage the truth? or b: While certainly not infallible, does he attempt to justify his statements with verifiable facts? or c: Does he just spread stuff - that too inflammatory stuff - without bothering to check out the details? d: Would he not place a comment questioning the 50 crores bit - IF he had read it - OR would he just disregard it in the interests of the larger picture? To be quite clear I will state this: 1: As a practising Roman Catholic, I am disgusted by the attacks (by anyone) on others. This includes attacks - by the self appointed saffron police - on the non-interfering youngsters enjoying Valentine's Day ...or just holding hands in public. 2: As a practising Roman Catholic, I am disgusted by chaps and chappies with Christian names who are attempting to whip-up anti-Hindu frenzy based on exaggerated claims. These are the guys who will drive the BJP into the hands of the extremists. 3: As a practising Roman Catholic, I am losing my trust in the reported statements of Justice Saldanha. 4: As of now .until he corrects or provides proof for that statement, Justice Saldanha is NO practising Roman Catholic as far as I am concerned. 5: As far as the credibility of Santosh Helekar is concerned, only a communal ignoramus will query it. jc
Re: [Goanet] Attacks on Christians in Karnataka
I dont usually care for Dr. Barad's observations, but this time round, I think he asks an interesting and valid question just because the fight is 'the good fight' should not allow us to slip up and get dramatic...compromises our credibility J -- Message: 3 Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 05:09:38 +0530 From: U. G. Barad dr.udayba...@gmail.com To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Subject: [Goanet] Attacks on Christians in Karnataka Message-ID: 4c8035c4.1864730a.0c75.4...@mx.google.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Marshall Mendonza posted a letter by Justice Saldanha. In the letter, the Justice writes: The Central Government and the International Organizations have taken careful note of the fact that the State Govt. spends an average of Rs.50 Crores a day on self publicity in order to ensure that grave incidents of the present type are not reported. Just curious to know exactly who the International Organizations are, and are they monitoring any other aspect of happenings (other than attacks on Christians) in India. Secondly, Rs 50 crores a day is really a huge amount, comes to Rs 18,250 crores a year. I do not know if the total advertisements in all the newspapers in Karnataka would amount to this sum. I, therefore, wonder about the credibility of Justice Saldanha's claim as far as this is concerned. Really like to be enlightened. Best regards, U. G. Barad -- - Read my thoughts at www.dervishnotes.blogspot.com For a successful revolution it is not enough that there is discontent. What is required is a profound and thorough conviction of the justice, necessity and importance of political and social rights. (B R Ambedkar) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello bo...@goanet.org (416) 803-7264 http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
Re: [Goanet] Attacks on Christians in Karnataka
Jason Keith Fernandes jason.k.fernan...@gmail.com wrote: [1] Dr. Barad's observations .. I think he asks an interesting and valid question [2] just because the fight is 'the good fight' should not allow us to slip up and get dramatic...compromises our credibility RESPONSE: Jason, Well Stated. In this matter, I too wholeheartedly support Dr Barad. I am not yet ready to slam Justice Saldanha. I want to hear directly from Justice Saldanha - (a) IF he wrote that letter (b) IF he bid ...on what basis he wrote that letter. jc * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello bo...@goanet.org (416) 803-7264 http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
[Goanet] Attacks on Christians in Karnataka
Justice Saldanha Records 1000 Attacks in 2 Years. He Calls for Restoration of Rule of Law The Hon’ble Mr. V.S. Acharya, Home Minister of Karnataka, On 26th January 2010, I undertook the painful duty of recording that during the short tenure of under two years of the BJP Government in this State, that 500 attacks on the Christian community had taken place. The State Government is acting in total violation of the Constitutional Mandate which guarantees freedom to practice and propagate one’s religion and this hate campaign has official sanction. There are organizations and institutions in this country which are maintaining a careful record of the increase in the number of these attacks in the State of Karnataka, as also of the fact that those involved in them are rarely arrested and even if arrested, the cases are clandestinely withdrawn. The victims are always wrongly arrested and your Government refuses to withdraw those cases and to crown it all, you have officially gone on record stating that all the attackers involved in such serious offences under the IPC are political activists according to you. This is a total aberration. August 15, 2010 brought the number of such attacks to exactly 1000, an increase of 500 in the last six months. The most sensational one came from your Party MLA – Prahlad Remani who is supposed to be the BJP MLA from Khanapur in Belgaum District. The attack was made by him in the course of his official address at the flag hoisting on Independence Day. I was in Pune attending a Conference on that day and the TV channels have shown his speech live. Among other statements, he has attacked the Christian community by stating that the British had sown the seeds of Christianity in this country (the man requires to be re-educated because this is factually false) and that Christianity and Christians have to be weeded out and thrown out of this country. This is a serious offence of inciting communal disharmony along with several other allied offences because it immediately provoked violence and tension in the whole District. The State, in such situations is required to register an offence and immediately proceed according to Law. This was not done. What is most atrocious is that when several complaints were lodged with the Police Authorities and an FIR was registered that instead of upholding the Law, the State Government immediately transferred the SP who had very rightly taken action. This was done by the Chief Minister and the Home Minister. This shows that the Statements made by the MLA are officially supported by the State Government and that the subversion of the Law and the legal process has also come from the Vidhana Soudha. The citizens of this State are protected by the Constitution of this country and therefore, demand from the State Government that action according to Law must follow. In the course of the last two years, there have been a whole series of cases where the State Government has incited, supported and shielded such communal attacks. The record also shows that the Law has been misused not only against the victims but against the Media whenever such cases have been highlighted and the International Human Rights Commission and the Press Council of India have taken serious note of this. The Central Government and the International Organizations have taken careful note of the fact that the State Govt. spends an average of Rs.50 Crores a day on self publicity in order to ensure that grave incidents of the present type are not reported. All these incidents are representative of a total breakdown of the Rule of Law in this State, it is a matter of deep regret that they have taken place even on a sacred day like August 15th and we demand that the Rule of Law be restored. JUSTICE MICHAEL F. SALDANHA * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello bo...@goanet.org (416) 803-7264 http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
[Goanet] Attacks on Christians in Karnataka
Marshall Mendonza posted a letter by Justice Saldanha. In the letter, the Justice writes: The Central Government and the International Organizations have taken careful note of the fact that the State Govt. spends an average of Rs.50 Crores a day on self publicity in order to ensure that grave incidents of the present type are not reported. Just curious to know exactly who the International Organizations are, and are they monitoring any other aspect of happenings (other than attacks on Christians) in India. Secondly, Rs 50 crores a day is really a huge amount, comes to Rs 18,250 crores a year. I do not know if the total advertisements in all the newspapers in Karnataka would amount to this sum. I, therefore, wonder about the credibility of Justice Saldanha's claim as far as this is concerned. Really like to be enlightened. Best regards, U. G. Barad * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello bo...@goanet.org (416) 803-7264 http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
