Re: [Goanet] Automatic job with Portuguese passport
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Re: [Goanet] Automatic job with Portuguese passport
re this rather crude and surprising offer from Selma: 'Quero um fusco?' [in English translates as: Do you want a fart?] Gabriel de Figueiredo responded: 'Não. Mas talvez uma Fusca [in English translates as: Not really ...but a VW Beetle perhaps] [The VW beetle is known as 'la Fusca' or 'a Fusca' in South America] Your request is noted, Gabriel. Selma's offer is respectfully turned down with. While natural Gas is an expensive commodity, it is better NOT to rely on imported Gas. If any among us has the problem with excessive Gas production there is an OTC remedy i.e. BEANO http://www.beanogas.com/ further educational oportunities are available at this Institute of Higher Learning (Cannot guarantee jobs in Swindon even with Portuguese passport) http://www.beanogas.com/UofGas.aspx jc
Re: [Goanet] Automatic job with Portuguese passport
--- On Mon, 8/31/09, J. Colaco jc cola...@gmail.com wrote: I have NO COMMENT on whether anyone cares or not that Selma learnt French and is currently studying Portuguese. The topic for discussion was based on high end i.e. Technical positions in the UK. -- Now the Doctor is just pushing the limits of credibility. In his previous post he told us the topic was about jobs in Swindon. Now he tells us the topic is about technical positions in the UK. If that is so, then why is he advising Goans to learn Portuguese, Spanish or French. Does he imagine that an interview for these positions will be conducted in the UK in one or all of these languages. I can imagine just such an interview. Quero um fusco? Sim, muito obrigado Excuse moi, il y a un petit bruit C'est pas moi Peut-etre le medecin, il est plein d'air chaud best, selma
Re: [Goanet] Automatic job with Portuguese passport
Selma Carvalho wrote the following: 1: Now the Doctor is just pushing the limits of credibility. 2: In his previous post he told us the topic was about jobs IN Swindon. 3: Quero um fusco? jc's response: a: May I ask Selma, WHICH part of my 'previous' post said anything about jobs IN Swindon b: Is this another one of those A whole generation of Goan Hindus is being trained to hate Catholics stories? c: re #3 above, I'd say 'Bravo' to you and the GoaNet moderator jc
[Goanet] Automatic job with Portuguese passport
J. Colaco jc 6: There is NO shame in doing any work one has to do to pay one's bills. Iknow some of my physician colleagues who worked part-time in restaurants(washing dishes), in gas stations and in super-markets (as cashiers) to makethe extra funds. Today, they are on the top rung of the ladder in themedical field. - Hi, There are newly arrived Indian doctors who are still doing the same today. I dont understand why Goans with their PP should be treated any differently. Goans are used to their susegado attitude. Caj.
Re: [Goanet] Automatic job with Portuguese passport
sallesfons...@sapo.pt wrote: So, if you want portuguese nationality you must speack good english;If you want chinese nationality you must speack good japanese... Nonsense. And what about learning portuguese? Dear Salles, The Swindon story was about jobs..in the UK - where, I believe English is the main language. IF the 'job' was in Japan, one MUST speak good Japanese. Speaking Chinese, Portuguese or English will NOT be enough. Similarly, speaking good Portuguese will NOT help any Portuguese-Goan to find employment in the UK. One MUST be fluent in good English. Possessing Portuguese Nationality has certainly helped Goan doctors in the UK. They have had a a better chance than non-Portuguese-Goans with similar skills - for jobs in the UK. PS: All of us would do well to learn another language. Goans would do well to learn Portuguese, Spanish and French. In Goa, there are facilities to study Portuguese and French. Smart Goans would surely take advantage of these facilities. jc
Re: [Goanet] Automatic job with Portuguese passport
--- On Mon, 8/31/09, J. Colaco jc cola...@gmail.com wrote: Possessing Portuguese Nationality has certainly helped Goan doctors in the UK. They have had a a better chance than non-Portuguese-Goans with similar skills - for jobs in the UK. RESPONSE: Sometimes I find it hard to follow JC's infallible logic. How has the Portuguese Nationality help Goan doctors in the UK? And how are they any different than non-Portuguese-Goans in the UK? The English don't care how you got to the UK, whether you flew in from the plains of East Africa or sauntered in with a Portuguese passport, some 40 years after liberation. They don't care that you call your self a Goan. To them, you are an Indian, broadly classified as an Asian, a darkie and a paki. Please get over the belief that being Goan matters to anyone other than Goans. JC wrote: PS: All of us would do well to learn another language. Goans would do well to learn Portuguese, Spanish and French. In Goa, there are facilities to study Portuguese and French. Smart Goans would surely take advantage of these facilities. jc RESPONSE: The smart Goan will equip himself with stellar Hindi and English. He is most likely to head to Bombay, Bangalore or the Gulf countries, where he will be required to work with or supervise large number of Hindi-speaking colleagues or staff. He will be lost without Hindi. Alternatively he will head to Canada, UK or Australia, where he will be lost without impecable English. By the way the Portuguese are also learning English as so many of them head to the UK, to work in the bars, as bricklayers and other odd jobs or they head to San Diego to work as tuna fishermen. Infact in San Diego, they are sneeringly called Tuna. I won't be surprised if they too start learning Hindi next. By the way this Goan learnt French and is currently learning Portuguese. So who cares? It's something nice to do but it has no value in the world we live in. best, selma
Re: [Goanet] Automatic job with Portuguese passport
This is a response to a Selma Carvalho post. I claim not to know the bases of her assertions ... [A] In response to my assertion that possessing Portuguese Nationality HAS HELPED Goan doctors in the UK and that they HAVE HAD a better chance than non-Portuguese-Goans with similar skills - for jobs in the UK Selma Carvalho wrote the following : Sometimes I find it hard to follow JC's infallible logic. How has the Portuguese Nationality help Goan doctors in the UK? And how are they any different than non-Portuguese-Goans in the UK? JC's response: I will NOT comment on Selma's self-proclaimed disability with following logic especially as the point I made was based on FACTS. Some of those same individuals who HAVE benefitted occasionally read these posts. They are free to disagree with me.. For further reference, please see Appendix 1 (at the foot of this message). I will draw specific attention to #4 and ask: Do Portuguese-Goans need a VISA to enter the UK and look for jobs? How does one appear for interviews for medical jobs? from remote? I will submit that Selma (understandably) does NOT have a clue of what it really takes for doctors (any doctors) to secure jobs including specialist-training jobs in the UK. If she had, she would hardly have made the comment she made. [B] in response to MY 'advice' that Goans would do well to learn ANOTHER language Selma wrote that: The smart Goan will equip himself with stellar Hindi and English. By the way this Goan learnt French and is currently learning Portuguese. So who cares? It's something nice to do but it has no value in the world we live in. JC's response: I trust that Selma noted the word 'ANOTHER' in my statement...before she commented. As a person who reads writes and speaks Hindi, Marathi and English quite fluently, and as one who has studied these languages in Indian schools, I did NOT expect any present day student of these schools NOT to be fluent in English and Hindi. I have NO COMMENT on whether anyone cares or not that Selma learnt French and is currently studying Portuguese. The topic for discussion was based on high end i.e. Technical positions in the UK. These automatically require advanced degrees and experience in the relevant areas. I do not believe that Selma has advised us of her qualifications in such areas. If she does possess the High-Skill qualifications and experience I am surprised that No One has CARED. Now .the info which should be self explanatory good wishes jc APPENDIX 1: 1: http://www.siliconindia.com/shownews/Work_permit_rule_hits_Indian_doctors_in_UK-nid-31517.html Work permit rule hits Indian doctors in U.K LONDON: Alarm and panic has set in among thousands of doctors from the Indian subcontinent after new rules that came into effect made work permits mandatory for non-European Union doctors to work in the National Health Service (NHS). Till now the doctors from outside the EU, including from India, were able to take up NHS jobs under what was called PERMIT-FREE training schemes. Their jobs were considered part of training that did not require work permits. 2: http://www.bio-medicine.org/medicine-news/Indian-Doctors-File-Appeal-Against-British-Court-Ruling-18713-1/ Indian Doctors File Appeal Against British Court Ruling The British Association of Physicians of indian Origin (BAPIO) filed the appeal on Thursday. The Department of Health and the Home Office have three weeks to respond to the appeal, after which it will be listed for hearing. The new rules announced in April 2006 made it virtually impossible for doctors from outside the European Union to gain employment in the National Health Service (NHS). 3: http://www.expressindia.com/news/fullstory.php?newsid=81547 Indian doctors returning from UK London, February 16: An estimated 5,000 Indian doctors HAVE RETURNED home from the UK since April last year when changes in immigration rules were effected, a spokesman of the British Association of Physicians of Indian Origin said on Friday 4: http://ibnlive.in.com/news/indian-doctors-win-legal-battle-in-uk/52050-2.html Indian doctors win legal battle in (the) UK In a landmark judgement, the high court upheld the doctors' appeal that the guidance given by the Dept of Health to the National Health Service regarding the treatment of Indian doctors on the highly skilled migrant programme or HSMP, was unlawful. ALTHOUGH, this has been a significant victory, this provides relief ONLY to doctors with HSMP visas. The new rules introduced in April last year, which ABOLISHED permit-free training still apply. 5: http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/noneu-doctors-barred-from-specialist-training-in-uk-779148.html Non-EU doctors barred from specialist training in UK Junior doctors from outside the European Union are to be barred from specialist training in this country following protests over the shortage of jobs for newly-qualified British
[Goanet] Automatic job with Portuguese passport
Here are some random thoughts - some of them based on the recent Swindon-Goans posts on GoaNet. 1: Goans who wish to apply for Portuguese nationality would do well by thinking about nationality as opposed to just passport 2: A Portuguese passport is NOT a guarantee to a job in the EU, just a means to enter, travel within the EC and apply for a job. 3: A degree or post-graduate degree from Goa or elsewhere is NOT a guarantee for a job in the EU. 4: To stand a chance of securing a job, the following must apply - as a minimum a: There must be a vacancy to match your qualifications. b: You must have the requisite experience. c: You must do well at the interview.- IMPORTANT d: The employer must want you as an employee. e: You must bring a skill to the table which is needed. f: You MUST have decent references from recognised individuals. g: These references MUST be written in decent English. h: You must speak clearly and properly in decent English - a fake English accent will not impress anybody. i: You must want to work - not just want a job. j: You must be properly dressed for the interview and not smell of curry or alcohol. Just as a note: It is a Supply and Demand situation. The average overseas qualified doctor (as an example) may interview 1-100 times before landing a decent short term position. 5: It is easy to think of racism and discrimination - which is surely there BUT eventually, the strong applicants with a good attitude to work will survive. and do well. There are loads of examples of Goans who have done well - Almost everyone of them has had to overcome hurdles. It is the 'Survival of the Fittest'. Complaints are for losers. 6: There is NO shame in doing any work one has to do to pay one's bills. I know some of my physician colleagues who worked part-time in restaurants (washing dishes), in gas stations and in super-markets (as cashiers) to make the extra funds. Today, they are on the top rung of the ladder in the medical field. 7: The economy is tight all over the world. The competition is tough. We need to cut our expenses and do whatever work we have to do - to pay our bills. We also need to continually upgrade ourselves (educationally) to meet the opportunities of the future economy which will certainly rebound. 8: If we cannot make it - we should 'accept our inability to overcome hurdles' and return home to Goa. 9: Remember now ...the Portuguese nationality only gives Goans the edge over non-EC citizens when it comes to jobs. How Portuguese-Goans compete for jobs against other EC citizens, is entirely up to the individual. 10: If any Goan is thinking that obtaining Portuguese citizenship automatically will find him/her a job in the EC . please think again. jc
