Re: [Goanet] Can non-resident Indians please shut up?

[E DeSousa]

"Eddie" 

Writes:

"To set the record straight, it is NOT Tensing Rodrigues who wrote that bit 
about overseas Indians shutting up.
He simply quoted from the early part from an Indian site (whose name I 
forget)."

Comment:Curious that someone would dig up 2015 hit piece and post it on Goanet  
without any disclaimers.
Regards.E.

Re: [Goanet] Can non-resident Indians please shut up?

[Eddie]

To set the record straight, it is NOT Tensing Rodrigues who wrote that bit 
about overseas Indians shutting up.
He simply quoted from the early part from an Indian site (whose name I 
forget).


Eddie


-Original Message- 
From: E DeSousa

Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 7:48 PM
To: Goanet Org
Cc: Gilbert Lawrence
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Can non-resident Indians please shut up?

Gilbert Lawrence 
write:

"From: Tensing Rodrigues wrote:
Can the people of Indian origin not living in India please shut up? They 
seem to have an opinion about everything and anything that is happening in 
and to Mother India. Sitting in the comfort of their Dollar and Pound and 
Euro ensconced cushiness, they have the temerity to tell Indians in India 
about what is right and what is wrong.

Can non-resident Indians please shut up?"


GL responds:
I see Tensing, you had to do some real research - dig-up a 2015 article to 
support your perspective.? Yet you make a valid point.
However, specifically for Goanet, that is what we care about, quite a few 
frequent posters are using the e-site and the rest of us as a forum to 
dissipate their own internal stress.? The question critical writers need to 
ask and answer is:? Is my post going to solve the problem or am I trying to 
transpose my internal frustrations on others??
Most of us come to Goanet to enjoy and share positive thoughts and feelings; 
and not read the same old - kere kere, however true false the account may 
be.?

Enough of my kere kere!
Regards, GL

Comment:
Last year NRI remittances to India amounted to over $65 billion on top of 
the  economic activity generated when said NRIs  come back visiting.
In sharp contrast Balance of Trade for India for year 2017 was a deficit of 
$148.87 billion USD.


Admittedly it is not apples and apples comparison,but you have to think that 
it would be good to sort through the advice being given freely by NRIs and 
select for implementation ideas that can make a positive impact on the well 
being of most people.

Best Regards.
E DeSousa

Re: [Goanet] Can non-resident Indians please shut up?

[E DeSousa]

 Gilbert Lawrence 
 write:

"From: Tensing Rodrigues wrote:
Can the people of Indian origin not living in India please shut up? They seem 
to have an opinion about everything and anything that is happening in and to 
Mother India. Sitting in the comfort of their Dollar and Pound and Euro 
ensconced cushiness, they have the temerity to tell Indians in India about what 
is right and what is wrong.
Can non-resident Indians please shut up?"


GL responds:
I see Tensing, you had to do some real research - dig-up a 2015 article to 
support your perspective.? Yet you make a valid point.
However, specifically for Goanet, that is what we care about, quite a few 
frequent posters are using the e-site and the rest of us as a forum to 
dissipate their own internal stress.? The question critical writers need to ask 
and answer is:? Is my post going to solve the problem or am I trying to 
transpose my internal frustrations on others??
Most of us come to Goanet to enjoy and share positive thoughts and feelings; 
and not read the same old - kere kere, however true false the account may be.?
Enough of my kere kere!
Regards, GL

Comment:
Last year NRI remittances to India amounted to over $65 billion on top of the  
economic activity generated when said NRIs  come back visiting.
In sharp contrast Balance of Trade for India for year 2017 was a deficit of  
$148.87 billion USD.  

Admittedly it is not apples and apples comparison,but you have to think that  
it would be good to sort through the advice being given freely by NRIs and 
select for implementation ideas that can make a positive impact on the well 
being of most people.
Best Regards.
E DeSousa

[Goanet] Can non-resident Indians please shut up?

[Gilbert Lawrence]

From: Tensing Rodrigues wrote:
Can the people of Indian origin not living in India please shut up? They seem 
to have an opinion about everything and anything that is happening in and to 
Mother India. Sitting in the comfort of their Dollar and Pound and Euro 
ensconced cushiness, they have the temerity to tell Indians in India about what 
is right and what is wrong.
Can non-resident Indians please shut up?


GL responds:
I see Tensing, you had to do some real research - dig-up a 2015 article to 
support your perspective.  Yet you make a valid point.
However, specifically for Goanet, that is what we care about, quite a few 
frequent posters are using the e-site and the rest of us as a forum to 
dissipate their own internal stress.  The question critical writers need to ask 
and answer is:  Is my post going to solve the problem or am I trying to 
transpose my internal frustrations on others? 
Most of us come to Goanet to enjoy and share positive thoughts and feelings; 
and not read the same old - kere kere, however true false the account may be. 
Enough of my kere kere!
Regards, GL

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Re: [Goanet] Can non-resident Indians please shut up?

[Eugene Correia]

It's stiil few hours to go for the celebrations to begin marking India's 71 
birthday for Indians in Canada. Yeah, at the stroke of midnight, India broke 
free of its colonial yoke. No matter where some of us -- foreign citizens - 
have attachment to the "old country.". 
A remark by a Conservative MP just few days ago has again raised the issue of 
whether Canada is losing its "core" identity through "radical multiculturalism" 
promoted by the Liberal  govt.
India is no exception under the present dispensation, calling for a Hindu 
Rashtra. 
Political tribes is a new race.

Eugene

Sent from my iPad

> On Aug 14, 2018, at 2:12 PM, Venantius J Pinto  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Tensing!
> 
> Your post brought some thought to mind. I live abroad and have no
> objections to your thought. But would like to offer a general suggestion.
> One can only hope our fellows avoid making any blanket statements,
> providing some material, a topic, or point out the erroneous suggestion,
> etc. I am not prone to taking umbrage, and do not include myself in this
> congeries of "people of Indian origin not living in India;" still, I do
> appreciate clarity. Thinking cogently until it becomes the norm in any
> being takes time. Writing is a whole other matter.
> 
> Many in the West, including me (this is one way to be real by looking
> closer at oneself) are not doing well. "Ensconced cushiness?!" Temerity?!
> Well. those who fall into that sense of privileges (or, lets simply say
> they work hard, as do their old families in Goa) do not say much. On Goanet
> there are a few who express on a variety of issues. Most of the alphas have
> gone way. Other probably are succumbing to illnesses. I can say these
> things. Then there are others who are simply living their good lives,
> helping some and going about their business. The same who helped in
> whatever way to help jumpstart endeavors, buying bibiks, sharing knowledge,
> etc.
> 
> Speaking for self, rather than go Bhasma, found it better to develop a
> thicker skin. In my case, it had to do with protecting myself from some in
> the Desh. Note I did not say all.
> 
> Venantius J Pinto
> 
>> On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 1:16 PM, Tensing Rodrigues  wrote:
>> 
>> Can the people of Indian origin not living in India please shut up? They
>> seem to have an opinion about everything and anything that is happening in
>> and to Mother India. Sitting in the comfort of their Dollar and Pound and
>> Euro ensconced cushiness, they have the temerity to tell Indians in India
>> about what is right and what is wrong.
>> 
>> https://www.dailyo.in/politics/nris-intolerance-aamir-khan-narendra-modi-
>> rajnath-singh-people-of-indian-origin-ocis-pseudo-
>> nationalism/story/1/7685.html
>> 

Re: [Goanet] Can non-resident Indians please shut up?

[Venantius J Pinto]

Hi Tensing!

Your post brought some thought to mind. I live abroad and have no
objections to your thought. But would like to offer a general suggestion.
One can only hope our fellows avoid making any blanket statements,
providing some material, a topic, or point out the erroneous suggestion,
etc. I am not prone to taking umbrage, and do not include myself in this
congeries of "people of Indian origin not living in India;" still, I do
appreciate clarity. Thinking cogently until it becomes the norm in any
being takes time. Writing is a whole other matter.

Many in the West, including me (this is one way to be real by looking
closer at oneself) are not doing well. "Ensconced cushiness?!" Temerity?!
Well. those who fall into that sense of privileges (or, lets simply say
they work hard, as do their old families in Goa) do not say much. On Goanet
there are a few who express on a variety of issues. Most of the alphas have
gone way. Other probably are succumbing to illnesses. I can say these
things. Then there are others who are simply living their good lives,
helping some and going about their business. The same who helped in
whatever way to help jumpstart endeavors, buying bibiks, sharing knowledge,
etc.

Speaking for self, rather than go Bhasma, found it better to develop a
thicker skin. In my case, it had to do with protecting myself from some in
the Desh. Note I did not say all.

Venantius J Pinto

On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 1:16 PM, Tensing Rodrigues  wrote:

> Can the people of Indian origin not living in India please shut up? They
> seem to have an opinion about everything and anything that is happening in
> and to Mother India. Sitting in the comfort of their Dollar and Pound and
> Euro ensconced cushiness, they have the temerity to tell Indians in India
> about what is right and what is wrong.
>
> https://www.dailyo.in/politics/nris-intolerance-aamir-khan-narendra-modi-
> rajnath-singh-people-of-indian-origin-ocis-pseudo-
> nationalism/story/1/7685.html
>

[Goanet] Can non-resident Indians please shut up?

[Tensing Rodrigues]

Can the people of Indian origin not living in India please shut up? They
seem to have an opinion about everything and anything that is happening in
and to Mother India. Sitting in the comfort of their Dollar and Pound and
Euro ensconced cushiness, they have the temerity to tell Indians in India
about what is right and what is wrong.

https://www.dailyo.in/politics/nris-intolerance-aamir-khan-narendra-modi-rajnath-singh-people-of-indian-origin-ocis-pseudo-nationalism/story/1/7685.html

Re: [Goanet] Can non-resident Indians please shut up?

[Venantius J Pinto]

Good one.
Best as always.
—Venantius J Pinto

Re: [Goanet] Can non-resident Indians please shut up?

[Mervyn Lobo]

Cecil,
This is the year 2016 and not biblical times.


The progressive countries have millions of people holding dual or multi
citizenship.


If you ask anyone with a dual citizenship, what can be improved in the
countries s/he is a citizen of, you will immediately get a list of the most
pressing issues. If you ask any citizen in the country you reside in, s/he
will also give you a list of items that need to be improved. What bugs
people everywhere, is when a tourist or foreigner points out to a local the
obvious.


What annoys me about India is that companies/organisations all over the
world go to India with their problems and Indian companies come up with a
solution, in a very short time. Indians are more than capable of finding
solutions. The real issue is that in India, some problems are caused
deliberately. These problems are caused so that a few can benefit from or
exploit the situation.


I think you will agree with me that things change only when there is a
large enough outcry. If this premise is true, it really does not matter if
those who want change are citizens or dual citizens.


Lastly, an article like the one above only attempts to stir up patriotism,
diverting the citizen from the real issues. In other words, leaving the
citizen in his quagmire.


Mervyn





On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 7:38 AM, Cecil Pinto  wrote:

>
> http://www.dailyo.in/politics/nris-intolerance-aamir-khan-narendra-modi-rajnath-singh-people-of-indian-origin-ocis-pseudo-nationalism/story/1/7685.html
>
> ---
>
> Can non-resident Indians please shut up?
> The diaspora needs its umbilical cord cut to be good citizens of their
> adoptive countries.
>
> Can the people of Indian origin not living in India please shut up? They
> seem to have an opinion about everything and anything that is happening in
> and to Mother India. Sitting in the comfort of their Dollar and Pound and
> Euro ensconced cushiness, they have the temerity to tell Indians in India
> about what is right and what is wrong.
>
> These once upon a time Indians are busy fanning the flames of discontent in
> the country and they need to stop. It is strange mix of nostalgia coupled
> with a desire to change the so called terrible conditions that they left
> behind that motivates these foreigners to preach to the poor dumb folks
> struggling back "home".
>
> Ironically, more often than not most of these people who went in search of
> greener pastures were not thinkers and philosophers yet they project
> themselves now as the keepers of Indian culture, history and ethos. Some of
> them no doubt give back in constructive ways but they are the exceptions,
> for most of the others it is much easier to get on to social media and let
> forth their "gyan".
>
> For possibly decades they concentrated on carving out a legal foreign
> identity and now they are Indian again? How come Indians have to learn
> patriotism and the worth and value of India from those who left the
> country?
>
> Are they more patriotic than Aamir Khan because they were quick witted
> enough to have fled the country of their birth/ancestors before their wives
> could ask a random rhetorical question like Kiran did? None of them will
> give up their western passports to exchange it for the Indian one - why
> should they when they had to go through such hardship to be rid of it in
> the first place.
>
> But now that their future is secure and they have what they wanted to
> achieve they have become the social media conscience of India. They don't
> vote, they don't pay taxes but they freely dish out their opinion.
>
> The diaspora needs their umbilical cords cut - just shut up and be good
> citizens of your adoptive countries. If you have family left over in India
> - let them speak their own mind and chose as per their own convictions.
>
> If you are a person of Indian Origin you are still a FOREIGNER and like all
> foreigners, please don't meddle in the internal affairs of this country. If
> you are an NRI - I suggest you carry on earning foreign exchange and
> keeping tabs on your bank books rather than pontificating on how India
> should yield to majoritarianism.
>
> The true hallmark of a cultured society is - when a numerical minority can
> proudly and fearless wear its identity on its sleeve and still challenge
> the hegemony of the majority. Sadly, India is not that place anymore…
> possibly never was but whether it will be in the future is also in
> question. And the so called overseas well-wishers, who will never return,
> are not helping one bit.
>
> 
>
>
>
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[Goanet] Can non-resident Indians please shut up?

[Cecil Pinto]

http://www.dailyo.in/politics/nris-intolerance-aamir-khan-narendra-modi-rajnath-singh-people-of-indian-origin-ocis-pseudo-nationalism/story/1/7685.html

---

Can non-resident Indians please shut up?
The diaspora needs its umbilical cord cut to be good citizens of their
adoptive countries.

Can the people of Indian origin not living in India please shut up? They
seem to have an opinion about everything and anything that is happening in
and to Mother India. Sitting in the comfort of their Dollar and Pound and
Euro ensconced cushiness, they have the temerity to tell Indians in India
about what is right and what is wrong.

These once upon a time Indians are busy fanning the flames of discontent in
the country and they need to stop. It is strange mix of nostalgia coupled
with a desire to change the so called terrible conditions that they left
behind that motivates these foreigners to preach to the poor dumb folks
struggling back "home".

Ironically, more often than not most of these people who went in search of
greener pastures were not thinkers and philosophers yet they project
themselves now as the keepers of Indian culture, history and ethos. Some of
them no doubt give back in constructive ways but they are the exceptions,
for most of the others it is much easier to get on to social media and let
forth their "gyan".

For possibly decades they concentrated on carving out a legal foreign
identity and now they are Indian again? How come Indians have to learn
patriotism and the worth and value of India from those who left the country?

Are they more patriotic than Aamir Khan because they were quick witted
enough to have fled the country of their birth/ancestors before their wives
could ask a random rhetorical question like Kiran did? None of them will
give up their western passports to exchange it for the Indian one - why
should they when they had to go through such hardship to be rid of it in
the first place.

But now that their future is secure and they have what they wanted to
achieve they have become the social media conscience of India. They don't
vote, they don't pay taxes but they freely dish out their opinion.

The diaspora needs their umbilical cords cut - just shut up and be good
citizens of your adoptive countries. If you have family left over in India
- let them speak their own mind and chose as per their own convictions.

If you are a person of Indian Origin you are still a FOREIGNER and like all
foreigners, please don't meddle in the internal affairs of this country. If
you are an NRI - I suggest you carry on earning foreign exchange and
keeping tabs on your bank books rather than pontificating on how India
should yield to majoritarianism.

The true hallmark of a cultured society is - when a numerical minority can
proudly and fearless wear its identity on its sleeve and still challenge
the hegemony of the majority. Sadly, India is not that place anymore…
possibly never was but whether it will be in the future is also in
question. And the so called overseas well-wishers, who will never return,
are not helping one bit.







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