Re: [Goanet] Climate Change ‘Going Through The Roof’

2023-07-04 Thread Eddie D'Sa




The West is run by capitalists dedicated to making money at all costs - 
to hell with the earth & its climate.
So Medialens, why are you surprised? Profit making is the supreme goal, 
the only religion allowed.

The Jew God, Jesus Christ, has no role to play any more.
Just accept whatever the market thugs of Wall Street decree.

Eddie Ray

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‘I Hope To God I Am Wrong’ – Climate Change ‘Going Through The Roof’ 
4th July 2023


Why are we at Media Lens utterly terrified by climate collapse while 
other people we know are mildly concerned, blithely indifferent or 
cockily contrarian?
The simple answer is that we are doing this full-time and ‘doing this’ 
includes reading the unfiltered reports and thoughts of top climate 
scientists on social media all day, every day.
Whenever we take a break from social media, the tendrils of the 
corporate body-snatchers again start to insinuate themselves. We are 
soothed by entertainment, by infotainment, by presstitute 
prestidigitation normalising the unthinkable. Despite a mountain of 
evidence, we are assured that the crisis is under the management of 
fundamentally decent, rational leaders. Yes, dear reader, our sense of 
crisis also abates.

There are two key responses to news of the latest climate disasters:
‘It’s bad, but not that bad. It’s manageable and we can carry on pretty 
much as normal.’

An alternative take:
‘No, it is that bad. This is just the ball starting to roll – it will 
gather more and more and more momentum, and it won’t stop. We need 
drastic change now!‘
The second of these is inarguably correct. The first is the underlying 
message delivered by state-corporate media that have an existential 
vested interest in the status quo, in discouraging us from seeking 
serious change. And this is exactly why the level of public alarm does 
not yet reflect the terrifying, rollercoaster reality depicted in the 
soaring and crashing graphs measuring temperatures and ice coverage.
Professor Bill McGuire, Emeritus Professor of Geophysical and Climate 
Hazards at University College London, tweeted 
  last 
month:
‘I hope to God I am wrong, but to me, it is looking increasingly as if 
we have reached some sort of tipping point, with the global temperature, 
sea-surface temperature, ice loss, and other parameters, all going 
through the roof.’
McGuire was responding to reports headlined 
 
by CNN thus:
‘Four alarming charts that show just how extreme the climate is right 
now’

The report noted:
‘We’re only halfway through 2023 and so many climate records are being 
broken, some scientists are sounding the alarm, fearing it could be a 
sign of a planet warming much more rapidly than expected.’
The ‘four alarming charts’ showed that global air temperatures have 
risen to record levels in 2023. Oceans are also heating up to record 
levels and show no sign of stopping. Antarctic sea ice is at record 
lows. And atmospheric carbon dioxide levels hit a new record high in 
2023. But many of these records are not merely being broken, they are 
being obliterated. Brian McNoldy, an expert in hurricanes and sea level 
rise at the University of Miami Rosenstiel School, captured 
  it exactly:
‘I know there are a million people sharing temperature anomaly charts 
and maps lately, but there’s a good reason for that. This is totally 
bonkers and people who look at this stuff routinely can’t believe their 
eyes. Something very weird is happening.’
At around the same time, nearly 110 million Americans in the United 
States were reported 
 
to be living in an area the US weather service flagged as ‘experiencing 
extreme heat’, with at least 100 people having died as a result in 
Mexico where temperatures came close to 50C. So far this year, the 
overall heat-related deaths in Mexico are almost triple the figures in 
2022.
Professor McGuire tweeted 
  of 
this crisis:

‘Unfortunately, you ain’t seen nuthin’ yet.’
CNN notes that some scientists ‘have said while the records are 
alarming, they are not unexpected due to both the continued rise of 
planet-heating pollution and the arrival of the natural climate 
phenomenon El Niño, which has a global heating effect’.
Ryan Stauffer, a NASA scientist studying air pollution and ozone, 
tweeted 

[Goanet] Climate Change and Shakespeare.

2021-10-29 Thread Roland Francis
If you read of mankind’s efforts to deal with the looming disaster of climate 
change, you will see the amazing likeness to more than one one of Shakespeare’s 
tragi-comedy-farce plays. It’s a tragedy. We are dealing with it in farcical 
ways and the whole thing is one bloody comedy.

Take for example the notion of carbon credits. You buy them from some company 
or country that is making sincere anti pollution efforts and you use them to 
meet the restrictions imposed on you while continuing to pollute as merrily as 
you did before.

Then look at the timelines you have set yourself. Instead of the next 5 or 10 
years, you are looking at 2050 in some vague, undefined promises. Meanwhile 
hurricanes, droughts, flooding and every other nightmarish scenario that nature 
dreams up, continue with evermore force and destruction.

The simple reason for all this watering down and procrastination is that each 
one fears for the economic consequences of doing their part. Australia thinks 
it can hide away in a global corner pretending they have other more pressing 
problems. The US with their political system cannot agree on even how to 
provide their poorer citizens with better health care and financial and housing 
security let alone agree on such a major endeavour. Their super rich resist 
even a mere 3% rise in their taxes, yes I meant three! Europe is sincere, but 
has no one riding along with it. China makes cosmetic changes but it is one 
country that never does anything unless forced to and no one seems to be able 
to force it to do anything. Africa and the South American continent are too 
busy with their ruling dictators filling up their pockets. Carbon is Arabia’s 
only livelihood and in India half the population is hungry, let alone worried 
about climate change.

With a scenario like this, you can’t help feeling there’s nothing in the way of 
a grim global future where food becomes scarce, land and oceans polluted and 
flooded, icebergs and ecosystems vanishing and parts of countries flooded 
resulting in enormous population displacements. 

Everybody seems to have adopted the old Goan dictum - maka podunc nam. 

“I don’t want you to be hopeful. I want you to panic. I want you to feel the 
fear I feel every day. And then I want you to act. I want you to act as you 
would in a crisis. I want you to act as if the house was on fire — because it 
is.”

— Greta Thunberg, climate activist, at the World Economic Forum, Jan. 25, 2019


Peter Coy of the NYT tells us of the “Lets Fool Ourselves” syndrome paralyzing 
humankind.

So you saved a forest. 
Was it ever really in danger.

We’re all familiar with the riddle about a tree falling in the forest and 
making or not making a sound. Starting this weekend in Scotland, world leaders, 
diplomats and climate activists will be wrestling with their own version of the 
riddle: What does it mean when a tree does not fall in the forest?

A tree that does not fall in the forest continues to sequester carbon dioxide 
from the atmosphere, helping protect humanity from climate change. The riddle 
is who, if anyone, should get credit for the tree’s survival. To answer that 
question, you need to know whether the tree was going to be cut down in the 
first place. If it wasn’t, it seems dishonest to claim to have saved it. Yet 
people will be tempted to take credit anyway.

If you understand this problem, you will understand one of the main debates at 
the 26th United Nations Climate Change Conference of the Parties, or COP26, a 
meeting to combat global warming taking place in Glasgow from Oct. 31 through 
Nov. 12.

Economists like the idea of using markets to control carbon emissions because 
markets provide lots of bang for the buck. For example, Switzerland recently 
reached agreements with Georgia, Ghana, Peru and Senegal in which it will 
effectively pay those countries to reduce their emissions and then claim the 
reductions for itself to help meet its national target for emissions reductions 
under the Paris Agreement of 2015. It’s more efficient to cut emissions in 
those lower-income countries, where there’s plenty of low-hanging fruit (like 
replacing inefficient cook stoves), than in Switzerland itself, which has run 
short of cheap and easy ways to reduce emissions.

But governments need to make sure the markets are doing what they’re supposed 
to. Otherwise you run into the tree-in-the-forest problem: countries claiming 
credits for saving trees that didn’t need saving. That’s an issue in rich 
nations as well as poor ones. The San Francisco-based environmental group 
CarbonPlan said this year that forest protection efforts in California were 
over-credited by about $400 million. An investigation last year by Bloomberg 
Green found that the Nature Conservancy, the world’s biggest environmental 
group, was helping big U.S. corporations claim credit for the preservation of 
forests that were already well preserved. (In June, the Nature Conservancy said 
that an 

[Goanet] Climate Change Conference and Goans

2015-12-12 Thread Gilbert Lawrence
  While the Climate Change conference is deadlocked, we-individuals can do our 
part.  I have a thought / suggestion.
 Every Goan throughout the world should plant one tree (of their choosing) in 
honor and / or memory of a member of their family - spouse, parents, 
grandparents, children, siblings, uncles and aunts.
 In keeping with the need to make the event memorable and the honor last a long 
time, the tree should be a fruit bearing tree that is fast growing.  One will 
need to research what tree is recommended in your part of the world. 
While the tree remembers the past, its benefits are for the future. These 
benefits are in terms of the providing abundant fruit and shade (to cool the 
earth); and more importantly the tree reduces soil erosion, holds on to 
ground-water and reduce the carbon in the atmosphere. 
If you like the idea, please feel free to pass it own to other members of your 
family and friends.
Regards, GL


[Goanet] Climate Change Meeting and Goa

2015-12-11 Thread Gilbert Lawrence
  Climate Change Meeting and Goa
I am surprised that Goanet did not generate much discussion on what Goans 
individually and as a community can do to help Goa, its farmers, and the 
climate. To start the dialog, here is an article worth reading with some useful 
 pointers. 
http://www.huffingtonpost.in/2015/12/08/climate-change-paris_n_8751954.html 
Feedback welcome!
Regards, GL


[Goanet] Climate Change Natural Resources: A Book of Activities for Environmental Education

2011-10-10 Thread Vikas
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[Goanet] Climate Change Natural Resources: A Book of Activities

2011-09-15 Thread vikas
*Climate Change  Natural Resources: A Book of Activities for 
Environmental Education*


This new book consists of 'Activities' that students can do on various 
environmental topics.


Dear Reader,

Environment ceased to be a sideshow recently, after the country's apex 
curriculum setter and the two dominant education boards decided to 
allocate scores to the subject in the crucial school-leaving 
examinations.  As per the current guidelines, the assessment will not be 
based on the conventional 'study-text-books-write-examination' mode. 
Grades will depend on how active the examinee has been 'on the ground'.


CSE's Environment Education Unit has always been working towards 
providing easy-to-understand reading material.Our new publication on 
this subject is an attempt to lend teachers a helping hand.  It unfolds 
in two sections:   Climate Change: how to make sense of it all,  
Natural Resources: how to share and care.  Here, the key issues selected 
adhere strictly to curriculum guidelines. However, they are introduced 
to students not as a paragraph to memorise, but as an activity to do.


Each activity sheet begins with a Curriculum Connect, a brief note to 
teachers that matches suggested assignments to the curriculum stream 
(sciences, social sciences etc.) and to the class level (primary, mid or 
senior). Likewise, Gobar Gyan, a succinct backgrounder, that precedes 
each activity set, explains to students why they are being asked to do 
the task. We have made a determined effort to make each of these 
four-page activity sheets self contained. Each activity sheet includes 
references to external information materials, online linkages and 
relevant data.


*Introductory price of the book is Rs 290/- (USD39)*

Order multiple copies of this activity book as you will need to make 
copies of the various activities to be given out to students as 
assignments.


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drawn in favour of Centre for Science and Environment, payable in New 
Delhi.  You can also order your copies online by visiting 
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[Goanet] Climate change politics being challenged by reality

2010-01-12 Thread Mario Goveia
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1242011/DAVID-ROSE-The-mini-ice-age-starts-here.html

Excerpts:

The bitter winter afflicting much of the Northern Hemisphere is only the start 
of a global trend towards cooler weather that is likely to last for 20 or 30 
years, say some of the world’s most eminent climate scientists.

Their predictions – based on an analysis of natural cycles in water 
temperatures in the Pacific and Atlantic oceans – challenge some of the global 
warming orthodoxy’s most deeply cherished beliefs.

The scientists’ predictions also undermine the standard climate computer 
models, which assert that the warming of the Earth since 1900 has been driven 
solely by man-made greenhouse gas emissions and will continue as long as carbon 
dioxide levels rise. 

They say that their research shows that much of the warming was caused by 
oceanic cycles when they were in a ‘warm mode’ as opposed to the present ‘cold 
mode’.

This challenge to the widespread view that the planet is on the brink of an 
irreversible catastrophe is all the greater because the scientists could never 
be described as global warming ‘deniers’ or sceptics.

However, both main British political parties continue to insist that the world 
is facing imminent disaster without drastic cuts in CO2. 
[end of excerpts]










[Goanet] climate change to hit goa

2009-11-05 Thread armstrong augusto vaz
Climate change will hit Goa hard: study
HERALD REPORTER
PANJIM, NOV 5
Goa is the most vulnerable among coastal states, as major portion of
its beaches would be submerged within a foreseeable future due to
climatic changes, according to a scientific study.
‘Environmental Education and Sustainable Development in the New
Millennium’, a book released by Dr Desh Bandhu, president, Indian
Environment Society on the occasion of “VIII Global Conference on
Environmental Education 2009” says that Goa being a State with
shortest coastline, is more prone to sea level rise due to global
warming and climatic change.
Around 4.3 per cent of Goa’s a 105-km coastline has already been
affected by one meter rise in sea level, an article in the book on
‘Global Warming and Climatic Change’ claims.
The article also reads that till date 7.3 per cent of Goa’s coastal
population is affected by beach erosion which is also very high
compared to other States.
“By 2050 and 2080 if the sea level would rise by 38 and 59 meters
respectively, then Goa would lose maximum percentage of its land and
its population,” the article reads.
The article further says that Goa being dependent much more directly
on climate can be hit much harder and sudden by large climatic change.
According to data presented in the state legislative assembly during
the recent monsoon session, more than 10 per cent of the State’s
beaches have already been eroded due to global warming and the
consequent rise in sea water levels.
The state tourist authority has expressed concern and said it is
working with scientists to shore up beaches so that they are not lost
to the Arabian Sea.
Goa based environmental scientists have said the destruction of
mangroves and salt pans, plus sand mining and construction for tourism
have exacerbated the problems.
The article also says that other then Goa, West Bengal is a State
where beach erosion has affected to a large extent.
“Of its total 8.3 million hectares coastal area nearly 1.4 per cent is
affected thus harming 2.3 per cent of its population,” article says.
However, Maharashtra with highest coastal area of 30.8 million
hectares, only 0.13 per cent of its area is under beach erosion
harming 1.7 per cent of its population.
It also states that Karnataka and Andhra Pradesh are the least
affected states where 0.6 and 0.9 per cent of its coastal area people
were affected by rise in sea level.
As per the article on an average 0.4 per cent of India’s coastal area
was affected by the rise of one meter sea level which affected 1.7 per
cent of its total coastal population


Re: [Goanet] Climate Change and Education

2007-02-25 Thread Helga do Rosario Gomes

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I am in the process of screening through more than 3000 email - a
consequence of my long stay in Goa so I enter into this argument late.
The discussion on education is interesting and highly pertinent and just
when I thought I could side with one argument another came up!
Yes our education unfortunately does not impart written and spoken skills
especially for kids whose parents are not educated. So many young people shy
from asking questions, reading or discussing problems like global warming,
HIV etc. Someone pointed out that South Goa kids prefer to go overseas, make
a fast buck and come back and that's true too and we have to address that.
Is it that teachers don't excite and challenge kids? In the US when we make
outreach activities for kids we focus on the question: WHY do they care?
e.g. Why do kids care if there are different types of clouds? But when I
left Goa I did not know how to make my presentations attractive, slip a few
jokes to make my talk more fun and get the audience excited in my work and I
still find it a challenge. So the teachers too have to get some exposure and
training. Perhaps a big curriculum bogs them?
Buoyed by the enthusiasm from students, academics in fields totally
unrelated to climate, priests and others at  Basilio Monteiro's wonderful
conference (more on that in another email) Joaquim took his global warming
talk to many Goan colleges and the kids just loved it. Incidentally his talk
covers a lot more than Al Gore's movie and dwells on natural events such as
those mentioned by Gabriel Figueiredo. And he talked about the consequences
of the Goa Regional Plan too!!! But I think its Joaquim  and I who were more
impressed with the kids who we met at these small colleges - Carmel's,
Dhempe's and Xavier's. In small and familiar settings they asked a ton of
questions, took copies of the presentation and talked of their own projects.
The latter were really impressive - in fact Carmels publishes a peer
reviewed journal with research articles from science to literature. But I
think we lack outreach activities that can take information researched or
learned into larger settings. Can these kids take their projects to schools
perhaps? Can they give presentations and excite and enthuse others? Will
their already packed schedules allow them to do so or could it be part of
their curriculum? At the same conference Prof. Junjunwala lamented the lack
of good teachers and the recent abundance of well paid jobs in
multinationals doesn't help. Can we do something like 'Teachers for
America'? We have a huge populace of retired academics, researchers etc.
Could we pay them to go back and teach in schools? And finally we need more
teachers on his forum.
Helga



 Ever since I set foot in the UK a few months ago, I have been amazed by
 the general level of awareness people here have about Global Warming
 and Climate change.



Re: [Goanet] Climate Change

2007-01-17 Thread Mario Goveia

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--- Sunith D Velho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 It would be interesting to hear stories of climate
 change from other parts of India and the world.
 
Mario responds:

Sunith,

I don't know where you're going with this search for
disconnected climate change kaneos, but I'll give you
one based on the mid Atlantic hurricanes of 2005,
which included the infamous Katrina and Wilma.  A
British scientist named Sir John Law, obviously one of
those behind the extraordinary interest in the UK, ran
to the microphones after Katrina to proclaim that
global warming, here located in the Gulf of Mexico,
was to blame.  Well, not quite.  Here are some facts.

There were 28 named storms in 2005.  Only six made it
to the mainland at hurricane strehgth, the others
dissipated over the Atlantic.  Obviously these did not
hear about Sir John Law or vice versa.  Much worse was
predicted for 2006.  However, only 11 named storms
developed, 5 reached hurricane strength, and not one
made it to the mainland.  The worst and most numerous
hurricanes in the region were between 1880 and 1900,
when human industrial activity was in its infancy.

Earlier this year, 60 prominent Canadian scientists
sent an open letter to their prime minister calling
attention to the limits of modern climate science in
predicting either weather trends or how changes in
human behavior will affect those patterns.
Observational evidence does not support today's
computer climate models, they wrote, so there is
little reason to trust model predictions of the
future. Faulty forecasts of the current hurricane
season are a case in point. So are the doom-and-gloom
models trotted out in support of Kyoto, the scientists
argue. (Source NY Sun Editorial, October 4, 2006) 

Your friend's boss should know that Al Gore has a well
known agenda and his sci-fi movie was roundly
condemned by many in the scientific community.

Global climate change is not a new or unique
phenomenon in the history of the earth, and took place
frequently way before human industrial activity began.
 Thus, to add some perspective on the issue, I have
listed below a history of global warming, as well as
four articles which contain more than disconnected
kaneos, that should at least raise questions in open
minds except those who have swallowed the extreme
environmental agenda hook, line and sinker.

Global Warming: A chilling perspective.
http://www.clearlight.com/~mhieb/WVFossils/ice_ages.html

Global Warming Blues: British researchers predict
Europe cooling over next decade
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,177380,00.html
 
Let cooler heads prevail: The media heat up over
global warming. 
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/will040406.asp

Global Warming on Pluto Puzzles Scientists. 
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/pluto_warming_021009.html

Global Warming?
http://www.denverpost.com/search/ci_4387552

Please feel free to share these with your friend's
boss as well as the British Prime Minister and sundry
British rock stars.








Re: [Goanet] Climate Change

2007-01-17 Thread Sunith D Velho

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 I don't know where you're going with this search for disconnected 
 climate change kaneos, but I'll give you one based on the mid 
 Atlantic hurricanes of 2005, which included the infamous Katrina 
 and Wilma.

I only asked for any instances of unusual weather patterns. Thank you 
for all the other information. If you notice any unusual weather 
patterns in Toledo, do let me know.

 Your friend's boss should know that Al Gore has a well known agenda 
 and his sci-fi movie was roundly condemned by many in the 
 scientific community.

The boss in question is a certain Lord Norman Foster(only the most 
famous architect in the world) whose knowledge and opinion I'm afraid I 
hold in much higher regard than yours. Please feel free to contact him 
in your personal capacity, and convince him of the error in his ways.

Regards
Sunith Velho

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