Re: [Goanet] Dr Gaitonde
Dr. Gaitonde also treated my grandmother who had cancer in the early ‘50s - so I hear from my mom. Of course, she also succumbed as most cancer patients did at that time. My mom had great regard for Dr Gaitonde. Bernice Pereira Sent from my iPhone > On 04-Jan-2022, at 5:38 PM, Frederick Noronha > wrote: > > That's true. Please see > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P._D._Gaitonde > ᐧ > >> On Tue, 4 Jan 2022 at 01:27, delima francis >> wrote: >> >> Hello Frederick, >> >> Please are you able to tell me whether "Dr Pundalik D. Gaitonde, the Goan >> surgeon who studied medicine >> and surgery in Goa and Bombay," is the same Dr Gaitonde who ran/worked at >> The Mapusa Clinic in the early 197os. >> >> The reason I ask is because my dear Mum was operated on for cancer in >> December 1973 by a Dr Gaitonde at The Mapusa Clinic. Very sadly for our >> family, our Mummy died on 1st February 1974. >> >> We remain deeply grateful to Dr Gaitonde for his efficient and caring >> treatment of my mother. >> >> I would very much appreciate a reply, at your convenience. Thank you. >> >> Francis de Lima >>
Re: [Goanet] Dr Gaitonde
That's true. Please see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P._D._Gaitonde ᐧ On Tue, 4 Jan 2022 at 01:27, delima francis wrote: > Hello Frederick, > > Please are you able to tell me whether "Dr Pundalik D. Gaitonde, the Goan > surgeon who studied medicine > and surgery in Goa and Bombay," is the same Dr Gaitonde who ran/worked at > The Mapusa Clinic in the early 197os. > > The reason I ask is because my dear Mum was operated on for cancer in > December 1973 by a Dr Gaitonde at The Mapusa Clinic. Very sadly for our > family, our Mummy died on 1st February 1974. > > We remain deeply grateful to Dr Gaitonde for his efficient and caring > treatment of my mother. > > I would very much appreciate a reply, at your convenience. Thank you. > > Francis de Lima >
Re: [Goanet] Dr. Gaitonde
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Flat for Sale: Mapuca, Goa (Ansabhat) - 10 min walk to Mapuca Market 2 Bedroom-Living-Dining-Kitchen-Bath-Balcony-Terrazo Floors Great Investment - Winter Getaway Asking Canadian $ 31,500/- or Indian Rs 10 lakhs Contact Rosario Fernandes - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear all, The following is from Shivanand Gaitonde, the brother of Dr. Pundalik Gaitonde. This posts is in response to the posts on GoaNet wrt Dr. Gaitonde. In the main, the following post addresses a point made Tony [1] Barreto, and one perhaps unknown to some others [2] [1] That Dr. Gaitonde was NOT imprisoned [2] that even the Portuguese from Portugal were opposed to Salazar and his PIDE. This post speaks for itself jc bcc to : Shivanand Gaitonde On 22/02/07, Shivanand Gaitonde <> wrote: Thanks for forwarding your conversation with Anthony Barreto.I shall try to answer some of the queries. 1: re: His presence at a Portuguese Party. It was not a Portuguese Party. It was a send off to Dr. Semedo a Judge who was transferred back to Portugal. Semedos were good friends of Gaitondes. Many Portuguese in the Establishment in those days were against the repressive policies of the Dictator, in Portugal as well as Ultramar. 2: Dr.Gaitonde attended the send off on the basis of a tacit understanding that no political speeches will be made. 3: My reading of the situation was: PIDE had some idea of the activities that were going on and was waiting for an opportunity to remove Dr.Gaitonde from Goa. Chance favoured them and they could plant a person at the table who virtually instigate the incident. This is described in detail in Mrs.Edila Gaitonde's book "IN SEARCH OF TOMORROW'. 4: Dr. Gaitonde was arrested in Mapuca, held at Main Quartel in Panjim and then deported as prisoner on the boat INDIA to Lisbon where he was incarcerated in the infamous prison ALJUBE in Lisbon. Nanda Gaitonde
Re: [Goanet] Dr. Gaitonde
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * To Goa with Love - Three unique Valentine Day packages from EXPRESSIONS Say "I Love You!" in style this year For details, photos and pricing check out: http://www.goa-world.com/expressions/valentines/ In reponse to the Anthony M Barreto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> post on Jan 30, 2007: Mogal Tonybab, I thank you for the civil and dignified tone of your discussion with me. May there be many more of your tribe. My responses are under JC [1]Tony: < I may be totally wrong about Dr Gaitonde's contribution as a freedom (fighter) but what I find difficult to accept is his presence at a Portuguese party. A partying freedom figher is a bit too much for me.> JC: I do not know of the circumstances of the "Portuguese party", and do not even know IF it was a "Portuguese party" or just a party where Portuguese officials were present. (Having taken into account that ALL Goans for 2 decades pre-1961, atleast, were full Portuguese nationals. That is why they needed travel documents to enter India, and they were even denied seats at some professional colleges because of 'nationality') Having said that, I appreciate that you recognise that you 'may be totally wrong about Dr Gaitonde's contribution as a freedom fighter' === [2] Tony: JC: wrt to Dr. Gaitonde's disillusionment or not ... I ask you How You are so sure as to call it "rubbish". That is why I ask again: Do you know of the meeting in North Goa which handed the crown to Bandodkar? Did this have anything to do with his disillusionment? BTW: I know lots of Goans who continue to live in Goa because they Love Goa. Why do you believe it to be rubbish? === [3]Tony: JC: Tonybab, you will have to try very hard to convince me that when a person is 'arrested and deported', that he is not imprisoned ...but a Free person. === re: Telo Mascarenhas or Mohan Ranade [4] Tony: In fact they are two of the genuine fighters. JC: Would you please tell me on what basis you would call the above ..."genuine freedom fighters"? WHY were they arrested and what were they charged and sentenced for? === re: Dr. Gaitonde having opted to live in London as opposed to Portugal where (as Tony alleges) he had good connections [5] Tony : He took his Portuguese connection to London. JC: I regret to inform you, Tonybab that (smiley or not), you are plain unaware wrt much of Dr. Gaitonde === re: the ferry incident where the Portuguese military Chief came to him (Dr. Gaitonde)and "APOLOGIZED for the behaviour of the Government servants, and requested the people to board and proceed with the crossing." [6] Tony : < That was perhaps because of his good connection with the (Portuguese) army chief> JC: Perhaps and Perhaps not. I am not prepared to speculate. My only question was whether one would expect such a situation to occur in Goa circa 2007 with the present military chief? In conclusion: It is possible Tonybab that we both do not know ALL the facts of the case (or cases). We can make some educated assumptions but (I submit) not uncorroborated dogmatic statements. I too found it very strange that Dr. Gaitonde left Goa after being involved in the struggle for freedom from Salazar's Portugal. That did not make him less of a Goan or less of a Freedom Fighter. BTW: There are other people who did that before 1961 ...way before 1961. i.e. Dr. Froilano de Mello and Fanchu Loyola Furtado. There are a number of Goans who have left behind their beloved Goa (some for good). Not all of them have left for better opportunities. Some left because they felt powerless to reverse the (impending or prevailing) physical degradation of their homeland. To those Goans, Murphina's Law was proven right. It is all about Poixe. Kui! Trust me ...I know some of those Goans. http://www.colaco.net/1/froilano.htm http://www.colaco.net/1/FanchuLoyola.htm ps: am bcc copying this to Dr. Gaitonde's younger brother (do not wish to disturb him unless he wishes to be disturbed) with the best of good wishes jose
Re: [Goanet] Dr. Gaitonde
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * To Goa with Love - Three unique Valentine Day packages from EXPRESSIONS Say "I Love You!" in style this year For details, photos and pricing check out: http://www.goa-world.com/expressions/valentines/ Dear Dr Colaco I may be totally wrong about Dr Gaitonde's contribution as a freedom but what I find difficult to accept is his presence at a Portuguese party. A partying freedom figher is a bit too much for me. Second: Whether it is people who leave Goa or those that live in Goa, it is a matter of personal convenience. The best of other reasons always sound hollow to me. Dr Gaitonde leaving Goa due to some disillusionment is rubbish. So also if people chose to live in Goa it is because they are happy with their living conditions or opportunities for self-expression here or due to lack of suitable opportunities. If they claim that they live here due to their LOVE FOR GOA that is also rubbish. > According to you .Is three months in > Salazar's prison ..worth anything or nothing? If I am not mistaken Dr Gaitonde did not serve a term in Salazar's prison. > Would you classify Telo Mascarenhas or Mohan Ranade > as non-freedom fighters? I have no reason to. In fact they are two of the genuine fighters. > In 1960 and thereabouts . Wasn't almost every > Goan's Goan wife a Portuguese national? Well at least not a native of Portugal. > If Dr. Gaitonde was that 'well connected in > Portugal' (as you state), would you know IF he ever > returned to Portugal more than for the occasional > short visit (and one for researching for his books) > with his wife Edilia (last known (in 2006) to be > living in London)? > He took his Portuguese connection to London. > BTW: Here is an excerpt which you might be > interested in. Can you anticipate > this happening in Goa 2007 with the present military > chief in Goa? "The Portuguese military chief in Goa > had just arrived with his posse at > Betim and was to cross over to Panjim. The personnel > of the Navegacao were > ordering the people already boarded to make way and > give preference to the > Army chief. Dr. Gaitonde who had also just arrived, > jumped into the ferry > and shouted loudly "clear me first and then these > people". The Chief came to > him, APOLOGIZED for the behaviour of the Government > servants, and requested > the people to board and proceed with the crossing." That was perhaps because of his good connection with the army chief. Good wishes as always Tony Martin ** Anthony M Barreto aka Tony Martin Freelance Writer and Author Galgibaga, Canacona, Goa -- 403728 M: 9422390701 R: 91-0832-2632012 www.canacona.net *
Re: [Goanet] Dr. Gaitonde
http://www.GOANET.org This month's Goanet operations sponsored by Mrs. Daisy Faleiro Anthony Barreto wrote on GoaNet: 1: Dr Gaitonde certainly did not leave Goa disillusioned with the course of events and the ways of the"liberators". It was a matter of his personal convenience and choice. Rest is rhetoric. 2: But I personally don't think Dr Gaitonde sacrificed anything for the sake of Goa's freedom. 3: I personally don't think Dr Gaitonde 'fought' forGoa's freedom. He is well known primarily for his two defiant words of protest. 4: Dr Gaitonde and his wife were arrested and deported to Portugal where he was sentenced to three months imprisonment or a fine of 40 escudos per day. 5: It is obvious that Dr Gaitonde had good connections with the Portuguese particularly as his wife was a Portuguese national. jc's response == Dear Tonybab, Are you aware of the happenings which culminated in Dayanand Bandodkar being handed the 'crown' in Goa? Dr. Gaitonde may have left Goa as a matter of his personal convenience and choice - but are you absolutely sure that he 'did not leave Goa disillusioned with the course of events' ? According to you .Is three months in Salazar's prison ..worth anything or nothing ? Would you classify Telo Mascarenhas or Mohan Ranade as non-freedom fighters? In 1960 and thereabouts . Wasn't almost every Goan's Goan wife a Portuguese national? If Dr. Gaitonde was that 'well connected in Portugal' (as you state), would you know IF he ever returned to Portugal more than for the occasional short visit (and one for researching for his books) with his wife Edilia ( last known (in 2006) to be living in London) ? BTW: Here is an excerpt which you might be interested in. Can you anticipate this happening in Goa 2007 with the present military chief in Goa? "The Portuguese military chief in Goa had just arrived with his posse at Betim and was to cross over to Panjim. The personnel of the Navegacao were ordering the people already boarded to make way and give preference to the Army chief. Dr. Gaitonde who had also just arrived, jumped into the ferry and shouted loudly "clear me first and then these people". The Chief came to him, APOLOGIZED for the behaviour of the Government servants, and requested the people to board and proceed with the crossing." good wishes as always jose colaco
