[Goanet] FREEDOM OF SPEECH IS OUR FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT

[Aires Rodrigues]

Our nation today is in a state of undeclared Emergency under a regime that
is intolerant to any critics and criticism.

In any democracy, supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by
them directly or indirectly, where the rule of law and freedom of speech is
paramount. It is very worrying that in our once peaceful and tolerant
Nation, both have been under constant attack and like law and order with a
soaring crime rate have gone for a toss under this BJP Government. We
should heed the advice of the late George Washington, first President of
the United States who said ‘If the freedom of speech is taken away, then
dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter’.

Memories linger of that 1975 Emergency under the Congress with Prime
Minister Indira Gandhi at the helm. I recollect that as a 15-year old
student I barged into a Congress meeting which was being held at Club
Nacional in Panaji. Without any resistance they allowed me to speak and in
those seven minutes blasted the Congress for imposing that State of
Emergency. The audience silently without any interruption listened. Imagine
today raising one’s voice at a BJP meeting, the Karyakartas would create a
ruckus pushing the voice of dissent to the wall and the witch hunt for
daring to speak constructively for the common good would continue for a
long time to come.

Over the years the famous late Martin Luther King Jnr, who achieved so much
for so many, has invigorated me and given me a reason to persevere and
redouble my efforts with these prophetic and inspiring words, ‘A man dies
when he refuses to stand up for what is right. A man dies when he refuses
to stand up for justice. A man dies when he refuses to take a stand for
that which is true. Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about
things that matter. Never, never be afraid to do what’s right’.
Adv. Aires Rodrigues

C/G-2, Shopping Complex

Ribandar Retreat

Ribandar – Goa – 403006

Mobile No: 9822684372

Office Tel  No: (0832) 2444012

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[Goanet] Freedom can be fetterd

[Nelson Lopes]

 Choice of freedom can be fettered
The lockdown and stay  at home has bored pleasure seeking individuals ,confined 
to a  state of absolutedenial of self
Hence they desire freedom and liberty as a matter of choice,
While respecting their decision , the fall out on those following strictly the 
guidelines must also be respected .Those taking preventive measures of safety 
from asymptomatic persons cannot be exposed to life threatening risks. It will  
be more than fair and just that such deviant individuals bear the consequences 
of their  free will and bear all financial consequences. The state resources 
cannot be expected to be frittered away on such wayward  irresponsible persons 
.The freedom of choice including freedom  of death are personal choice by design
The guidelines not to venture out unless absolutely required are  not difficult 
to fathom, specially when selfish individuals concoct urgency to suit their 
design of pleasures and liberty. Once again social protection of stay at home,  
 maintaining distances, use masks are neither harsh , draconian   or 
unreasonable  restrictions of  containment but timely and essential. On the 
other hand stigmatising patients and  other frontline  workers  need to be 
nipped in the bud  . The tirade against warriors of health, must be summarily 
dealt with without any mercy
Disobedience to public health and order is not subservient to individuals  
notions of freedom and liberty and personal interpretations
nelson lopes Chinchinim

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[Goanet] freedom can be fettered

[Nelson Lopes]

 Choice of freedom can be fettered
The lockdown and stay  at home has bored pleasure seeking individuals ,confined 
to a  state of absolutedenial of self
Hence they desire freedom and liberty as a matter of choice,
While respecting their decision , the fall out on those following strictly the 
guidelines must also be respected .Those taking preventive measures of safety 
from asymptomatic persons cannot be exposed to life threatening risks. It will  
be more than fair and just that such deviant individuals bear the consequences 
of their  free will and bear all financial consequences. The state resources 
cannot be expected to be frittered away on such wayward  irresponsible persons 
.The freedom of choice including freedom  of death are personal choice by design
The guidelines not to venture out unless absolutely required are  not difficult 
to fathom, specially when selfish individuals concoct urgency to suit their 
design of pleasures and liberty. Once again social protection of stay at home,  
 maintaining distances, use masks are neither harsh , draconian   or 
unreasonable  restrictions of  containment but timely and essential. On the 
other hand stigmatising patients and  other frontline  workers  need to be 
nipped in the bud  . The tirade against warriors of health, must be summarily 
dealt with without any mercy
Disobedience to public health and order is not subservient to individuals  
notions of freedom and liberty and personal interpretations
nelson lopes Chinchinim

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[Goanet] freedom to move

[Nelson Lopes]

Freedom to move

Lost our freedom to roam ,
Forced  to stay at home,
Feeling of solitary confinement  of prison,

Prevention of contagion the reason.

No celebrations,  parties  , events,
Lockdown and fear that prevents,
All are scared of   virus infections,
Religiously follow guidelines, instructions .

Meeting and greetings are on hold
Spread   thro  contact , avoid we are told
Use mask ,gloves , isolate , wash hands,
Virus is heavy , on surfaces it lands.

Highly contagious virus, potential to kill ,
No cure, vaccine , drug or pill,
Is it a  curse , punishment or Divine will ? 
Humans have failed. his teachings to fulfill.

Pandemic  , all countries are hit,
Governments are doing  their bit ,
All resources are mobilised to cope,
Praying that a vaccine may raise hope.

Everything  remains closed and shut
Stay at home is order, no going out, 
poor ,unemployed  bear the brunt
Slogan go corona go ,mere stunt

Medical fraternity receives public praise,
Janta curfew ,insurance and pay raise,
,many are sick, lack of protective gear
Ostracised, stigmatised worse fear.


Essentials, are in short supply ,
for  vehicular movement ,pass must apply,
social distance and use of mask
 People have  understood preventive task.

The stay at home is long from over
It  may be extended ,as a preventive cover 
Sacrifices necessary to live long
Co operation is must as we move  along.

Avoid hoarding tendency on food,
unfounded anxieties, spoil mood,
let us learn to share  and care,
Helping one  another everywhere .

personal hygiene, exercise and rest,
will serve our interest , needs best,
observing religiously ,precautions is the test,
To ward of the virus crisis ,pandemic pest.

India has acted well in time ,fast
The effects will reduce but spread may last,

what is possible   and needed is done,
It is difficult to please , satisfy everyone.

The crisis  has put  God at the centre  and  near ,
Helpless humans are driven by fear,
we miss the religious traditions, rituals  most dear
Love God and neighbour , message is clear.

The selfish , worldly   creations must turn
Not to face the wrath of Divine to burn
Humans must accommodate
and live
Forget the wrong , learn to forgive

nelson lopes
7/4/2020





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[Goanet] Freedom of religion as important as freedom of rights, people: Nikki Haley

[Gabe Menezes]

*http://tinyurl.com/yb2bmtsc *
-- 
DEV BOREM KORUM

Gabe Menezes.

Re: [Goanet] Freedom (by Armando Menezes, 1902-1983)

[Venantius J Pinto]

Hi V M—
“A dance along an endless lane.”
Awesome.

Contemplating / Birthing a book of poetry? Perhaps annotated!
If yes, consider me to design the cover and perhaps pieces within.
But, and I say this in utter sincerity—only if the selection is truly
strong,
and there is sufficient time allotted.

+

Anyone?

Thank you,
—vjp



On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 1:23 AM, V M  wrote:

> Freedom
>
> Freedom is but a madman's dream,
> A dance along an endless lane.
> The slogans that you shout but seem
> To drown the clanging of the chain.
>
> Freedom is but a posturing,
> Before a necromantic glass;
> The old old song you newly sing,
> Falsetto, like an infant class.
>
> Freedom is greed, is violence,
> Lust, and the lordship of the fool.
> Freedom's not knowing either whence
> Or whither, or if chance be the rule.
>
> We dreamed, and now wake up from sleep:
> And dark indeed the day to see
> When Freedom's image cannot keep
> Even a poet's loyalty.
>

[Goanet] Freedom (by Armando Menezes, 1902-1983)

[V M]

Freedom

Freedom is but a madman's dream,
A dance along an endless lane.
The slogans that you shout but seem
To drown the clanging of the chain.

Freedom is but a posturing,
Before a necromantic glass;
The old old song you newly sing,
Falsetto, like an infant class.

Freedom is greed, is violence,
Lust, and the lordship of the fool.
Freedom's not knowing either whence
Or whither, or if chance be the rule.

We dreamed, and now wake up from sleep:
And dark indeed the day to see
When Freedom's image cannot keep
Even a poet's loyalty.

[Goanet] Freedom of Speach

[Mervyn Lobo]

Folks,



One of the more famous quotes of Idi Amin is, 'There is freedom of speech, but 
I cannot guarantee freedom after speech.'


During the time it was made, there was only one outlet for the daily dose of 
propaganda in Tanzania and that paper was read thoroughly. Even at the time, I 
thought Amin nailed the situation in Uganda on the er, head.

Leaders of the former British colonies found that they received a most 
excellent gift from the departing British i.e. they could appoint themselves 
head of any Ministry and run it by themselves. Some African presidents followed 
in the footsteps of Churchill - who appointed himself Minister of Defense - at 
a time when Britain did not have a defense Ministry. Other Presidents followed 
the money and appointed themselves to run what mattered most.

 
Fast forward 40 years and Amin has returned, incarnated in the body of Donald 
Trump. Ugandans are now laughing as the US President presents US values to the 
world. 

This has been a great week for those who view life as a great comedy! Donald J. 
Trump attacked the Department of Justice, firing the FBI director in the most 
humiliating way possible. His next step was to inform the US that if the next 
FBI director did not swear total allegiance to the Donald, that idiot would be 
publicly humiliated too - and - by extension, any person working for the US 
govt. The Donald, praise be to him, has given ample warning that any govt 
employee not totally grovelling at his feet, would be subject to the same fate 
or worse.

The incarnated Amin and the Republican party are well their way to castrate US 
institutions. I have  to bet that after the Dept of Justice is dully 
silenced, the next step is to get the subservience of the Dept of Treasury :-) 

Mervyn



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[Goanet] Freedom from triple talaq: Goa shows the way

[Gabe Menezes]

http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Swaminomics/freedom-from-triple-talaq-goa-shows-the-way/
-- 
DEV BOREM KORUM

Gabe Menezes.

[Goanet] Freedom to dissent, two JNU students still in jail

[Pamela D'Mello]

http://scroll.in/article/804841/kanhaiya-has-got-bail-but-the-state-has-more-to-gain-from-keeping-his-two-classmates-behind-bars

[Goanet] FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND EXPRESSION: QUO VADIS

[Aires Rodrigues]

While the thrust of the Narendra Modi government is on minimum government
and maximum governance, all of a sudden in Goa given birth to is a ill
conceived group of quadruplets “Social Media Not a Forum to Spread Hatred” who
very high handedly claim that their task will be to track and monitor
everything that is said on social networking sites including Face book
while also warning of legal action.

What kind of violators will these quadruplets persecute? The timing and
composition of this group is suspect. That they had their maiden press
conference at a starred hotel in Panaji which is now a known BJP hang out
may not be just a coincidence.  Has the Goa government outsourced to this
group the policing duties? Is not the cyber cell headed by Superintendent
of Police Karthik Kashyap under the supervision of Deputy Inspector General
of Police O.P.Mishra competent enough to enforce the cyber laws? Under what
authority of law can such a group be allowed to function? Is this a new era
of God-father Generals? Are we heading to the dark ages? Is this just the
kind of model governance espoused during elections now baring its fangs?

Goa is a very literate state. People know their rights and duties as well.
This group of quadruplets should not dare attempt to intimidate people
thinking that Goans are baboons. We do not need to be misinformedly
lectured on the provisions of our Constitution by these so called ‘Qualified’
Goan professionals. It is an irony that two from this group are off springs
of persons who claimed to be freedom fighters.

Our freedom of expression is non-negotiable while we at all times should
strictly adhere to the laws of our land in everything we say, write and do.
Such fly by night motley groups will come and vanish, but we have to always
remain vigil as our democratic rights are priceless while we have to also
strictly ensure that we do not violate any law whatsoever.

George Washington had said “If freedom of speech is taken away, then dumb
and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter”

Aires Rodrigues

Advocate High Court

C/G-2, Shopping Complex

Ribandar Retreat,

Ribandar – Goa – 403006

Mobile No: 9822684372

Office Tel  No: (0832) 2444012

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Re: [Goanet] Freedom Fighters

[Vivian A. DSouza]

Hear tell that 90 percent of so-called Freedom Fighters are fake.  All they 
care for is the free pension.  Since the Portuguese were driven out 52 years 
ago, the current crop of so-called Freedom Fighters were tiny tots at the 
time.  The "real" Freedom Fighters would be Octogenerians or Nonogenerians 
if still alive.


Vivian A. DSouza
socorrokar at yahoo.com 

Re: [Goanet] Freedom Fighters

[eric pinto]

        Rolly - i knew guys who refused to pay at eating places
because " i am Vietnam."  He now personified that war. Only,
this 'fighter' is not likely to admit that he was stoned on cheap smokes and 
barely performed  in the field.
       The cause in Goa cannot be questioned. 
       The question to ask is who decided to turn it into a no 
losers lottery stake.        eric.



On Thursday, November 28, 2013 10:22 AM, roland.francis 
 wrote:
 
If Goa Police fought crime and Goa Firefighters fought fires, what did Goa 
Freedom Fighters fight?

Roland.


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[Goanet] Freedom Fighters

[roland.francis]

If Goa Police fought crime and Goa Firefighters fought fires, what did Goa 
Freedom Fighters fight?

Roland.


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Re: [Goanet] freedom fighters

[Gabe Menezes]

On 11 March 2013 23:21, manuel tavares  wrote:

> Hi Gabe,
> It is a profound shame that our Goan brothers and sisters who die without
> adequate representation or destitute have to go through such humiliation at
> their final exit. I am sure that we can do better. I am surprised that the
> elderly Goan bachelor from Mombasa had to be perhaps buried in a pauper's
> grave despite having funds and this in a country like the U.K. where one
> would expect there to be better facilities for the authorities to
> coordinate information regarding funds etc in order to afford a person a
> burial utilizing his own funds.Tell me something Gabe, did you try to
> assist this poor soul and if so, could you publish the procedure so as to
> assist future such cases? I think we as a community should also establish a
> fund to ensure that our brothers and sisters who die in dire circumstances
>  in any part of the world do receive a decent burial.
> I would not hesitate to contribute to such a fund.
>
>
> Manuel (Eddie) Tavares.
>

RESPONSE: I had in the past helped the man in question. I was on vacation
in Goa when he died. I was informed that a person who was intimate with him
was taking care of the whole committal. That being the case everyone stood
back and waited and waited. It is now three months since the passing away
and all calls to the person concerned are deflected. There has been no
notice of the Death let alone the funeral in the local GVUK. What I have
heard came from a good source but cannot be verified.

-- 
DEV BOREM KORUM

Gabe Menezes.

[Goanet] freedom fighters

[manuel tavares]

Hi Gabe,
It is a profound shame that our Goan brothers and sisters who die without 
adequate representation or destitute have to go through such humiliation at 
their final exit. I am sure that we can do better. I am surprised that the 
elderly Goan bachelor from Mombasa had to be perhaps buried in a pauper's grave 
despite having funds and this in a country like the U.K. where one would expect 
there to be better facilities for the authorities to coordinate information 
regarding funds etc in order to afford a person a burial utilizing his own 
funds.Tell me something Gabe, did you try to assist this poor soul and if so, 
could you publish the procedure so as to assist future such cases? I think we 
as a community should also establish a fund to ensure that our brothers and 
sisters who die in dire circumstances  in any part of the world do receive a 
decent burial. 
I would not hesitate to contribute to such a fund.


Manuel (Eddie) Tavares.

Re: [Goanet] freedom fighters

[Gabe Menezes]

On 7 March 2013 13:13, Victor Rangel-Ribeiro  wrote:

> Dear Gabe,
>  You write: "We had to help our parents as well as our children. The
> next generation are not obliged." And that is indeed a shame, but not all
> members of the next generation behave in such an uncaring manner.
>  Regards,
>  Victor
>

Deart Victor,

You are indeed correct and both Lily and I are fortunate to have brought up
our two sons having good morals. We hope they stay that way. I was ghastly
that  Laura's daughter intimated to the Nuns that she could not help her
mother Laura. Then there was a word sent by the grand daughter and a son in
Canada stating that they would intervene. Alas she had to be buried by the
Nuns.

Now hopefully Mrs Louzado of Nairobi will be buried by her children,
otherwise the burden will surely fall on the Nairobi Goan Welfare Service.

The London, Tooting incident is an indictment on not only the Goans of
Tooting but in a way on all Goans residing in London and especially the
powers that be within the Goan Community here in the U.K.

-- 
DEV BOREM KORUM

Gabe Menezes.

Re: [Goanet] freedom fighters

[Victor Rangel-Ribeiro]

Dear Gabe,
 You write: "We had to help our parents as well as our children. The next 
generation are not obliged." And that is indeed a shame, but not all members of 
the next generation behave in such an uncaring manner.
 Regards,
 Victor

--- On Wed, 3/6/13, Gabe Menezes  wrote:

From: Gabe Menezes 
Subject: Re: [Goanet] freedom fighters
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" 
Date: Wednesday, March 6, 2013, 5:23 AM

On 26 February 2013 21:57, manuel tavares  wrote:

> Regarding to Eugene Correia's Article:
>
> It is a pity that Laura has ended in this state. I had the privilege to
> attend her Lecture, when she came  to Kenya with Prof Lucio Rodrigues. She
> was elegant in her white Sari and spoke so well and passionately. Perhaps
> as you say, in old age, she was overcome by maladies which affect the human
> brain. It was very disheartening to learn that the Goa Freedom Fighters
> Association did not issue a condolence message. Perhaps it is as
> Shakespeare put it . The Evil that we do lives after us the good is oft'
> interred with our bones. So let it be with Laura. For those who knew her,
> her passion and devotion to the cause of Goa's Liberation cannot be
> forgotten and perhaps history will be kind to her and afford her her
> rightful place in Goa's Dossier.
>
> Manuel (Eddie) Tavares.
>

COMMENT: It is not just a pity but a profound tragedy when kith and kin
will not come forward to do the right thing. At lease she got a burial with
all rites performed. Here is an announcement courtesy GVUK:-

*Looking For: Family of Eluina Louzado (Nairobi)*
5 Mar: Goan Welfare Society, Nairobi. Mrs Eluina Louzado, aged 86 passed
away recently in in Nairobi. Her Baptism name is Josephine. Her children
are Gregory, William and Freda and are believed to be in the UK. Please
contact by  Email 


Then there is the case of an elderly Bachelor Goan who died in St. George's
Hospital Tooting,( Ex Mombasa) nobody knows whether he was given a decent
burial - there is talk that he was given a pauper's grave along with 12
others. The Goans of Tooting know about this man and I find it hard to
believe that no one approached the Goan Welfare Service for assistance. He
did not die penniless, he had two people as co signatories on his Bank
accounts - I know his because he had told me so.


The time has come, that one should not rely on children or family. My
generation was caught with a double whammy, we had to help our parents as
well as our children. The next generation are not obliged.


-- 
DEV BOREM KORUM

Gabe Menezes.

Re: [Goanet] freedom fighters

[Gabe Menezes]

On 26 February 2013 21:57, manuel tavares  wrote:

> Regarding to Eugene Correia's Article:
>
> It is a pity that Laura has ended in this state. I had the privilege to
> attend her Lecture, when she came  to Kenya with Prof Lucio Rodrigues. She
> was elegant in her white Sari and spoke so well and passionately. Perhaps
> as you say, in old age, she was overcome by maladies which affect the human
> brain. It was very disheartening to learn that the Goa Freedom Fighters
> Association did not issue a condolence message. Perhaps it is as
> Shakespeare put it . The Evil that we do lives after us the good is oft'
> interred with our bones. So let it be with Laura. For those who knew her,
> her passion and devotion to the cause of Goa's Liberation cannot be
> forgotten and perhaps history will be kind to her and afford her her
> rightful place in Goa's Dossier.
>
> Manuel (Eddie) Tavares.
>

COMMENT: It is not just a pity but a profound tragedy when kith and kin
will not come forward to do the right thing. At lease she got a burial with
all rites performed. Here is an announcement courtesy GVUK:-

*Looking For: Family of Eluina Louzado (Nairobi)*
5 Mar: Goan Welfare Society, Nairobi. Mrs Eluina Louzado, aged 86 passed
away recently in in Nairobi. Her Baptism name is Josephine. Her children
are Gregory, William and Freda and are believed to be in the UK. Please
contact by  Email 


Then there is the case of an elderly Bachelor Goan who died in St. George's
Hospital Tooting,( Ex Mombasa) nobody knows whether he was given a decent
burial - there is talk that he was given a pauper's grave along with 12
others. The Goans of Tooting know about this man and I find it hard to
believe that no one approached the Goan Welfare Service for assistance. He
did not die penniless, he had two people as co signatories on his Bank
accounts - I know his because he had told me so.


The time has come, that one should not rely on children or family. My
generation was caught with a double whammy, we had to help our parents as
well as our children. The next generation are not obliged.


-- 
DEV BOREM KORUM

Gabe Menezes.

Re: [Goanet] freedom fighters

[manuel tavares]

Regarding to Eugene Correia's Article:

It is a pity that Laura has ended in this state. I had the privilege to attend 
her Lecture, when she came  to Kenya with Prof Lucio Rodrigues. She was elegant 
in her white Sari and spoke so well and passionately. Perhaps as you say, in 
old age, she was overcome by maladies which affect the human brain. It was very 
disheartening to learn that the Goa Freedom Fighters Association did not issue 
a condolence message. Perhaps it is as Shakespeare put it . The Evil that we do 
lives after us the good is oft' interred with our bones. So let it be with 
Laura. For those who knew her, her passion and devotion to the cause of Goa's 
Liberation cannot be forgotten and perhaps history will be kind to her and 
afford her her rightful place in Goa's Dossier. 

Manuel (Eddie) Tavares.

[Goanet] FREEDOM FIGHTERS

[PAES]

Freedom Fighters  
 
 
 
 Wandering around aimlessly for some time in Bombay in the early 1950’s, I 
stumbled on a selective band of Goans who called themselves freedom fighters 
(FF’s). 
 
  
 
By and large the FF’s looked a dejected lot, just as I was myself. And that may 
well be one of the reasons for having called ourselves ‘hail-fellows-well-met’. 
However, in a short while I discovered that the most compelling reason why they 
were on the wrong side of the border was their hatred for a foreign rule in our 
motherland.
 
 
  
From the days of Mahatma Gandhi’s tryst with freedom, one prerequisite to be a 
‘freedom fighter’ came to be accepted as a short adventure in an Indian jail. 
Critics then called it a ‘picnic in prison’. And may be rightly so. In today’s 
India too, people get  into a jail one day, bailed out the next, and everything 
goes hunky-dory thereafter.
 
 
 
On the other hand, Portuguese jails were far removed from the romance of a 
Presley’s ‘Jailhouse Rock’. They were exactly what lawbreakers deserved to be 
in. Discipline was what they exacted out of an erring ‘rocker’, and the stick 
did the trick. However, their aversion to the so-called freedom-fighters roused 
them to raise that stick even higher. It’s because they branded them as  
terrorists – the very label that India now puts on Pakistanis marauding across 
the Kashmiri border, but which label Pakistan itself brushes off as ‘freedom 
fighters’. Amazing how pots and kettles exchange colours with changing 
situations. 
 
 
  
Incidentally, some of the freedom-loving buddies in Bombay were already known 
to me while in Goa. They were also known for tampering with  the  strict  law  
and  order of the  Portuguese regime. 
 
 
 
Nevertheless, having been influenced by Mahatma Gandhi’s struggle for freedom, 
a path hugely accentuated by his courtship with prison-cells, the local machos 
also developed an appetite for freedom of sorts. But what was under suspicion 
was their determination to fight for it. They tried to emulate the great 
Mahatma in so far as his sit-in’s were concerned. But his fasts-unto-death 
dreaded them as death itself. The group that I came to be associated with would 
hardly miss a morsel for any cause on earth, least of all freedom.  
 
 
 
Much credit goes to those Goans who put their lives on the block in their 
pursuit of freedom. However, what became debatable to right thinking men and 
women in Goa was, whether their motive was to oust one occupier and make way 
for another; or to take over the reins themselves and let the U.N. declare an 
addition to the family of nations. But soon their intentions were laid bare. 
Jawaharlal Nehru’s ‘Operation Vijay’ sealed the fate of Goans forever.  
 
 
 
Bennet Paes

Re: [Goanet] freedom fighters

[floriano lobo]

Ana Maria,
You are absolutely right, one hundred per cent.
Goa's freedom fighters are just freedole farters. One of them who calls 
himself a veteran FF is Flavian Dias. The only fight for Goa he did was to 
deliver press notes and press statements issued by Goan activists pushing 
Goa's liberation from Bombay to the offices of the newspaper there and to 
beg with  Nehru to throw the Portuguese out and take Goa into India for 
free. Useless people not worth talking about. If at all these guys and gals 
had self-respect, they would have held Nehru to his promises of not wanting 
to force Goans join Indian Union if they did not want to. But when Nehru saw 
these LEMBDES with their tongues out for dole, he took advantage of it all 
and annexed Goa into India without the mandatory Plebiscite under UN 
Charter. And yes, their pensions must be stopped and retrospectively 
re-claimed. Dr Laura D'Souza Rodrigues who recently died a destitute in 
Mumbai was the real Goa's Freedom Fighter and was even arrested by the 
Portuguese in Goa when she marched into Goa before the so called liberation. 
She never got any pension but punks like Flavian Dias did and are rolling in 
it.
At most these people have fallen to Nehrus feet and/ or Bandodkar's feet for 
Goa's merger into India and Maharashtra respectively.
Look at East Timor. They are free and independent people today in spite of 
Indonesia having occupied and played havoc with them. Timoreans have guts. 
Our Goan Freedom fighters had only knees strong enough to go down begging 
for pensions.

SHAME ON THEM ALL. They have let Goa and Goans down miserably.

Cheers
floriano
goasuraj
PS: The first thing GSRP will do when it comes to power is to stop all 
pensions to these fake freedom fighters and most probably recover everything 
retrospectively.





- Original Message - 
From: "Ana Maria Fernandes" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 10:37 PM
Subject: [Goanet] freedom fighters


Mahtma Gandhi , Nehru and others really fought for the freedom of India and 
because of their efforts the British thought it wise to leave India into the 
hands of Indians and they went away.But in Goa some freedom might have made 
noise, meetings etc but it was the Indian army marched into the territory 
and used force Goa was liberated. Actually the Portuguese did not sign any 
documents and what actually took place was capture of the territory by 
force. I do not know if later on any treaty was signed and that is the 
reason all those who are born before 1961 are portuguese citizen. It is 
wrong to give awards to goan freedom fighters or pension .I am not hurting 
any one but these are my personal views.If I am wrong i want to say sorry i 
am wrong . I am not a lawyer, I was born much after all these fiasco and am 
not a portuguese citizen but I feel and want to know what others feel. 
= 

[Goanet] freedom fighters

[Ana Maria Fernandes]

Mahtma Gandhi , Nehru and others really fought for the freedom of India and 
because of their efforts the British thought it wise to leave India into the 
hands of Indians and they went away.But in Goa some freedom might have made 
noise, meetings etc but it was the Indian army marched into the territory and 
used force Goa was liberated. Actually the Portuguese did not sign any 
documents and what actually took place was capture of the territory by force. I 
do not know if later on any treaty was signed and that is the reason all those 
who are born before 1961 are portuguese citizen. It is wrong to give awards to 
goan freedom fighters or pension .I am not hurting any one but these are my 
personal views.If I am wrong i want to say sorry i am wrong . I am not a 
lawyer, I was born much after all these fiasco and am not a portuguese citizen 
but I feel and want to know what others feel.   
  

[Goanet] Freedom in Christ - Seminar on the Bible for Youth

[Richard D'Souza]

Freedom in Christ - Seminar on the Bible for Youth

Pedro Arrupe Institute, Raia, Goa, is organizing a session for youth
above graduation on the Word of God entitled ''Freedom in Christ''.
The first session on New Testament will be held on the 1st of July,
while the second session on the Old Testament will be on the 15th of
July. These interactive sessions will help the youth get to know the
Word of God: How the word of God is to be interpreted and how it is
still alive for our times? The youth will be also be given a chance to
get their questions answer about the Bible. The session will begin at
10 pm and end at 4pm, and will include Mass and lunch. Lunch will be
provided. The course is free for all the youth. One can register for
the same at 8805570108, 2776917, 2858323, or email at
deepenyourfa...@gmail.com

[Goanet] Freedom of Information - Congratulations India, Shame on Canada

[Roland Francis]

In the Freedom of Information list, Serbia, India and Slovenia top the
report's ranking list while Liechtenstein, Greece and Austria come last.
 
Canada ties for 51st on a list of 89 rankings, languishing behind Angola,
Colombia and Niger. Canada's law while cutting-edge 30 years ago, has not
been significantly updated since its inception. Departments and agencies are
supposed to respond within 30 days but often take extensions of up to half a
year or more.
 
The report is a groundbreaking project by Halifax-based Centre for Law and
Democracy and Access Info Europe of Madrid.
 
Roland Francis
416-453-3371
roland.fran...@gmail.com
 
 
 

Re: [Goanet] Freedom of Press does not give licence to a newspaper to malign a political leader or mar his future political prospects by publishing fake and defamatory writings.

[amar kantak]

Dear Mr. Colaco,
 
Thank you for sharing my view. It is because of like minded people like us that 
society remains civilised and equilibrium is maintained. My salutations to you. 
Take care.
 
Amar

--- On Sat, 4/14/12, J. Colaco < jc>  wrote:


From: J. Colaco < jc> 
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Freedom of Press does not give licence to a newspaper to 
malign a political leader or mar his future political prospects by publishing 
fake and defamatory writings.
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" 
Cc: f...@goa-india.org
Date: Saturday, April 14, 2012, 3:28 AM


Under the title, " Freedom of Press does not give licence to a
newspaper to malign a political leader or mar his future political
prospects by publishing fake and defamatory writings,"

amar kantak  wrote:

"The fundamental objective of journalism is to serve the people with
news, views, comments and information on matters of public interest in
a fair, accurate, unbiased, sober and decent manner. To this end, the
Press is expected to conduct itself in keeping with certain norms of
professionalism, universally recognised.

The norms enunciated below and other specific guidelines appended
thereafter, when applied with due discernment and adaptation to the
varying circumstance of each case, will help the journalist to
self-regulate his or her conduct. etc etc"

COMMENT:

Dear Mr. Kantak,

You are very right.

ALL of us (and that includes the 3 Ps i.e. Press, Politicians and
Public) have to exercise due care that we do not either Slander or
Libel another.

BTW: Slander or Libel are not loose words. They have specific
meanings. So does the word "malign".

Let us remember that while a free press is a pillar of democracy (just
like freedom of speech for the public) there is a fine line between
freedom and excessive license.

Democracies around the world, allow a certain amount of latitude to
the Politicians and Press. Comedians (cartoonists) get an extra
latitude. Whatever our tolerance, it has got to be the same whether
the criticism (say) is about Mr. Parrikar or (to use an example) Mrs.
Gandhi.

Somehow, we appear not to be as equitable as we should be ... when
"our" chaps are sticking it to the other chaps.

In the INDEX case, IF what was reported is accurate, I would recommend
that the GUJ president please resign.

jc

[Goanet] Freedom of press

[SOTER]

Very interesting to see how Freedom of Press to malign or not gets discussed 
with such fervour after a decade. 

- Soter

Re: [Goanet] Freedom of Press does not give licence to a newspaper to malign a political leader or mar his future political prospects by publishing fake and defamatory writings.

[J. Colaco < jc>]

Under the title, " Freedom of Press does not give licence to a
newspaper to malign a political leader or mar his future political
prospects by publishing fake and defamatory writings,"

amar kantak  wrote:

"The fundamental objective of journalism is to serve the people with
news, views, comments and information on matters of public interest in
a fair, accurate, unbiased, sober and decent manner. To this end, the
Press is expected to conduct itself in keeping with certain norms of
professionalism, universally recognised.

The norms enunciated below and other specific guidelines appended
thereafter, when applied with due discernment and adaptation to the
varying circumstance of each case, will help the journalist to
self-regulate his or her conduct. etc etc"

COMMENT:

Dear Mr. Kantak,

You are very right.

ALL of us (and that includes the 3 Ps i.e. Press, Politicians and
Public) have to exercise due care that we do not either Slander or
Libel another.

BTW: Slander or Libel are not loose words. They have specific
meanings. So does the word "malign".

Let us remember that while a free press is a pillar of democracy (just
like freedom of speech for the public) there is a fine line between
freedom and excessive license.

Democracies around the world, allow a certain amount of latitude to
the Politicians and Press. Comedians (cartoonists) get an extra
latitude. Whatever our tolerance, it has got to be the same whether
the criticism (say) is about Mr. Parrikar or (to use an example) Mrs.
Gandhi.

Somehow, we appear not to be as equitable as we should be ... when
"our" chaps are sticking it to the other chaps.

In the INDEX case, IF what was reported is accurate, I would recommend
that the GUJ president please resign.

jc

[Goanet] Freedom of Press does not give licence to a newspaper to malign a political leader or mar his future political prospects by publishing fake and defamatory writings.

[amar kantak]

The fundamental objective of journalism is to serve the people with news, 
views, comments and information on matters of public interest in a fair, 
accurate, unbiased, sober and decent manner. To this end, the Press is expected 
to conduct itself in keeping with certain norms of professionalism, universally 
recognised. The norms enunciated below and other specific guidelines appended 
thereafter, when applied with due discernment and adaptation to the varying 
circumstance of each case, will help the journalist to self-regulate his or her 
conduct.
1.   Accuracy  and Fairness
i) The Press shall eschew publication of inaccurate, baseless, graceless, 
misleading or distorted material. All sides of the core issue or subject should 
be reported. Unjustified rumours and surmises should not be set forth as facts.
2.   Pre-publication Verification
 i)  On receipt of a report or article of public interest 
and benefit containing imputations or comments against a citizen, the editor 
should check with due care and attention its factual accuracy apart from other 
authentic sources- with the person or the organisation concerned to elicit 
his/her or its version, comments or reaction and publish the same alongside 
with due correction in the report where necessary.  In the event of lack or 
absence of response, a footnote to that effect may be appended to the report.
3.   Caution against defamatory writings
i) Newspaper should not publish anything which is manifestly defamatory or 
libellous against any individual/organisation unless after due care and 
verification, there is sufficient reason/evidence to believe that it is true 
and its publication will be for public good.
ii) Truth is no defence for publishing derogatory, scurrilous and defamatory 
material against a private citizen where no public interest is involved.
iv) The Press has a duty, discretion and right to serve the public interest by 
drawing reader's attention to citizens of doubtful antecedents and of 
questionable character but as responsible journalists they should observe due 
restraint and caution in hazarding their own opinion or conclusion in branding 
these persons as 'cheats' or 'killers' etc. The cardinal principle being that 
the guilt of a person should be established by proof of facts alleged and not 
by proof of the bad character of the accused. In the zest to expose, the Press 
should not exceed the limits of ethical caution and fair comment.
v) The Press shall not rely on objectionable past behaviour of a citizen to 
provide the background for adverse comments with reference to fresh action of 
that person. If public good requires such reference, the Press should make 
pre-publication inquiries from the authorities concerned about the follow up 
action, if any, in regard to earlier adverse actions.
  vi) Where the impugned publication is manifestly injurious to the reputation 
of the complainant, the onus shall be on the respondent to show that it was 
true or to establish that it constituted fair comment made in good faith and 
for public good.
(viii) Publication of defamatory news by one paper does not give licence to 
others to publish news/ information   reproducing or repeating the same.
(ix) Insertion of out -of -context, uncalled for and irrelevant statements 
likely to malign a person or an organisation must  be eschewed.
(x)    Freedom of Press does not give licence to a newspaper to malign a 
political leader or mar his future political prospects by publishing fake and 
defamatory writings. 
party in the case of any controversy/dispute. 
11. Reporting-Proceedings of Legislature
  The newspapers have a duty to report faithfully the proceedings of 
either House of Parliament, Legislative Assembly and in this regard the 
newspapers shall not be liable for any proceedings civil or criminal in any 
court unless it is proved that reporting have been made with malice.  However, 
the newspapers should not publish any report based on proceedings of a sitting 
of either House of Parliament or Legislative Assembly or as the case may be 
either House of the Legislature of a State, which is not open to the media. 
21. Headings not to be sensational/provocative and must justify the matter 
printed under them
i) In general and particularly in the context of communal disputes or clashes 
 a. Provocative and sensational headlines are to be avoided;
 b. Headings must reflect and justify the matter printed under them;
 c. Headings containing allegations made in statements should either identify 
the body or the source making it or at least carry quotation marks.
e) Election Reporting-1996
 3. The Press should refrain from publishing false or critical statements in 
regard to the personal character and conduct of any candidate or in relation to 
the candidature or withdrawal of any candidate or his candidature, to prejudice 
the prospects of that candidate in the elections. The Press shall not pu

[Goanet] Freedom Thoughts

[Bernado Colaco]

Goa had elected representatives since the early 19th century. Sorry Goans do 
not want Portugal and neither ghantinization of our land. 
 
BC
 
 
An edited version has appeared on the opinion page of OHeraldo. I am
surprised that the column is titled, Impending Gloom. I only asked the
question and further stated that Goans are unsure what the dawn of
each will bring into their lives. I had also sent the editor a
photo,but it didn't appea

eugene
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Freedom Thoughts

By Eugene Correia

If the sunrise over Goa's horizon on December 19, 1961 brought hope
and expectations, does the dai

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[Goanet] Freedom Thoughts

[Eugene Correia]

An edited version has appeared on the opinion page of OHeraldo. I am
surprised that the column is titled, Impending Gloom. I only asked the
question and further stated that Goans are unsure what the dawn of
each will bring into their lives. I had also sent the editor a
photo,but it didn't appear.

eugene
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Freedom Thoughts

By Eugene Correia

If the sunrise over Goa's horizon on December 19, 1961 brought hope
and expectations, does the daily sunrise brings in rays of gloom? On
the occasion of Goa's 50th year of Liberation, Goans are unsure what
the dawn of each day will bring into their lives. Goan society is
divided into groups of optimists, pessimists and the unconcerned.
Crosswinds are blowing across the land and Goa is in a state of
upheaval -- emotionally, politically, culturally and economically.
Metaphorically speaking, the land is swaying like its famed coconut
trees in storms. Goans are desperately looking for answers that could
be blowing in the wind.
Just like India made its tryst with destiny in 1947, Goa made its
tryst with India 50 years ago. India broke its colonial shackles on
the fateful day of August 15, 1947 and Goa woke up to its freedom on
December 19, 1961. India was embedded into British colonialism and Goa
was an appendice in Portugal's body.  Goa, the Portuguese pride called
Estado da India, was an illusion for Goan nationalists who saw it as
Salazar's strategy to safeguard Goa for Portugal. Freedom came but not
how Goans would want it -- peaceful and serene. It also never came as
many wished - handed to Goans as their own nation-state. It came with
fireworks of Indian army rifles and thunder of Indian Air Force
planes. The noise was enough to wake up slumbering Goa to a new day.
Goans with Portuguese heartbeats probably felt that the sounds from
blazing guns were the death-knells of Goa as they knew it and lived
it. Many such Goans still feel the trembling noises in their bones.
The very thought of Goa celebrating its freedom makes such Goans go
into nostalgic hibernation. They find it hard to shake off their
feelings for Portugal, their fatherland, and all things Portuguese, be
it food, fado or football.  It was an age in which such Goans,
especially the elite, enjoyed the privileges that came from their
social status. While some still wear their sympathies on their
sleeves, many still remain shell-shocked.
Those who cry Portuguese tears may be doing so in seeing Goa in a
different hue than those with Indian eyes, which probably has tears of
joy rolling from them on Goa's celebration of its greatest moment of
history. The Goa of pre-liberation days was definitely different than
now. During Portuguese regime, Goa remained frozen in time. No doubt
the pristine beauty was intact as well as law-and-order conditions
strictly enforced, unlike today. Freedom has its price and Goans have
paid - and still paying -  for being independent of colonialism.
Critics may harp that Goa has moved from one type of colonialism into
another, the latter meaning "Indian rule" or rather rule from New
Delhi. In more than one way, Goans are their own masters. Goans choose
their own government and how the government behaves and what it
achieves or fails to achieve is what the Goans get in return in a
democratic setup. At least Goans have a voice, unlike being
"voiceless" under the colonial yoke.
Nevertheless, the central or main leaderships of national parties
influence their branches in Goa and in other states. Goa came under
one of its regional parties, the Maharashtra Gomantak Party (MGP), and
the party spurted Goa's economic and social development.  In its early
stages, Goa progressed marginally from being a import-oriented economy
to an export-oriented or manufacturing economy. The economic
environment has changed drastically. Whatever progress has been
achieved so far should make Goans proud, though Goans would have
wanted development at a rapid pace. Goa's steady rise among the
smaller states has not gone unnoticed, and it is for reason of its
prosperity that Goa enjoys high-capita income among all states.
Aligned to this is Goa's trouble-free social landscape that encourages
outsiders to set up homes and businesses.  No wonder Goa makes it to
the top five as the best places in India to live.
Tourism, which has helped and shaped Goan economy, should be further
promoted. Despite creating some ill-effects, tourism can remain one of
the engines that drives Goan economy.  But tourism needs to be watched
for uncontrolled growth, just as mining is now keenly monitored and
action taken, though belated, against erring companies.  The "Brand
Goa" slogan should not be over-utilized to market Goa in ways that
could be detrimental to Goa's socio-economic health - and image. The
Goa Dourado of Portuguese fame is now famously transformed itself into
a model of voyeuristic delight, be it through escort services or
massage parlours. Exotic Goa should not be end up being sexed-up Goa.
No doubt the tourism and h

[Goanet] Freedom fighters association opposes Indo-Portuguese cultural extravaganza

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Freedom fighters association opposes Indo-Portuguese cultural extravaganza

PANAJI: The Goa Daman and Diu Freedom Fighters Association has demanded 
withdrawal of the third edition of the Semana Da Cultura Indo-Portuguesa 
(Goa), which is scheduled to be held from October 19 to November 21.


The event will showcase Indian and Portuguese culture in the form of 
art, cinema, music, cuisine, literature and more.


The freedom fighters association argues that the event is promoting 
colonial Portuguese culture. Mr Nagesh Karmali, the president of the 
association while briefing media said, “We are warning them to stop such 
activities as through this festival, a pro-Portuguese lobby is being 
created and the Goan society is being divided.”


Mr Karmali also pointed out that during this festival, a 
photo-exhibition showcasing Goa’s pre-liberation period will be held. 
“They should show photos how freedom fighters were tortured during the 
Portuguese regime,” Mr Karmali said.


Questioning Mr Anil Counto, the chairperson of the executive committee 
planning the event, Mr Karmali sought to know whether an event is at all 
organised in Portugal to showcase diverse Indian culture to the people 
of Portugal.


“Some Goans are opting for the Portuguese passport as Portugal is part 
of the European Union. In my opinion such people should surrender their 
Indian citizenship as till date there is no provision for two-nation 
passport in the country,” Mr Karmali claimed.


Veteran freedom fighter, Mr Prabhakar Sinari, who was also present at 
the briefing, stated, “All these years we are asking for an apology from 
the Portuguese government but it has not come.”


He also questioned the loyalties of those citizens who are seeking 
Portuguese passport. “If tomorrow some tension lies between India and 
Europe then where their loyalties will lie?” questioned Mr Sinari.
Mentioning about Portuguese regime, Mr Karmali pointed out that they 
never worked for Goa’s development. “Portuguese never built Mandovi or 
Zuari bridge nor any village roads. Also Goa’s education that time was 
26 per cent, which is now almost 90 per cent. There are more Christians 
in India than in Portugal,” Mr Karmali claimed.


http://www.navhindtimes.in/goa-news/freedom-fighters-association-opposes-indo-portuguese-cultural-extravaganza

[Goanet] Freedom, faith, fear

[Marshall Mendonza]

  Freedom, faith, fear

 Two decisions of the Supreme Court of India in the month of January
projected starkly contrasting symbols about the rights of tribal people in
India. On the one hand, the court made a very powerful symbolic statement in
a case which highlighted atrocities committed against tribal women, holding
that tribal people in India should be entitled to “equal respect”. However,
on the other hand, in the infamous Graham Staines murder case, the court
upheld the decision to sentence the accused to life imprisonment instead of
death — and, as part of its argument, had cited the fact that Staines was
engaged in work that included converting tribal people in Orissa to
Christianity. The court has now rightly expunged the controversial remark.

 Symbolically, these two decisions could have been seen as standing for
contrasting propositions: tribals in India are entitled to equal rights as
everyone — but they cannot decide for themselves whether they can convert to
a different religion. In Kailas vs Maharashtra, the

 victim, a 25-year-old tribal woman in Maharashtra, was beaten with fists
and kicks before being stripped and paraded on the street in the nude by a
“higher caste” couple. The accused were sentenced to rigorous imprisonment
and a fine. They filed an appeal before the SC. While dismissing the appeal,
the court strongly condemned their actions, and even reproached the state
government for not asking for a stronger sentence.

In a symbolic break from the convention of only deciding what is necessary
for the resolution of a case, the SC held that the original inhabitants of
India were pre-Dravidian aborigines, and that tribal people must therefore
be given the respect they deserve as the original inhabitants of India.
Strangely, the court cited “Google” as its reference, and referred to a
paragraph seen in Wikipedia, the encyclopaedia which anyone can edit. Yet,
the court’s message of fostering “tolerance and respect for all communities
and sects”, and its emphasis on changing the “mentality of our countrymen
towards... tribals”, was vociferous. The SC even went to the extent of
rebuking Dronacharya, a character in the epic Mahabharata, for cutting off
the tribal Eklavya’s thumb.

However, barely a fortnight later, the SC delivered its opinion in the
Graham Staines murder case. The accused, Dara Singh, had murdered the
Australian missionary and his two minor sons, Philip (10) and Timothy (6),
by burning them alive while they were sleeping in a station wagon at
Manoharpur. Graham Staines was engaged in professing and propagating
Christianity in the tribal interior of Orissa, and he was entitled to do so
under the bill of rights chapter in India’s Constitution.

In the remarks that are now expunged, the SC had held that Staines’ killer
did not deserve death because his intention was “to teach a lesson to Graham
Staines about his religious activities, namely, converting poor tribals to
Christianity”. The court declared that the high court had “correctly
appreciated” this aspect of the case. The question thus became: does the
motive of punishing a missionary for trying to convert “poor tribals” to
Christianity offer sufficient justification for refusing to apply the death
penalty?

Article 25 of the Indian Constitution grants to every person, including
non-citizens, the right to profess and propagate religion. In propagating
Christianity to tribals in Orissa, Staines was exercising this fundamental
constitutional right. It would have been different if the court had found
Staines was forcibly converting tribals to Christianity, in which event he
could be said to have been interfering with the religious rights of others.
Yet, absent a finding of coercion, the court had found it justifiable to
refuse to sentence the accused to death on the ground that Staines was
attacked purely for exercising the constitutional right to propagate
religion.

Further, India’s Constitution also grants to every person including “poor
tribals” the freedom of conscience and to practice the religion of their
choice. If the freedom of speech includes the right to receive information,
then the freedom of conscience surely includes the right to know about other
religions. By giving Dara Singh life imprisonment instead of death, it could
be asked if the court symbolically undermined the right of “poor tribals” to
hear missionaries and decide for themselves whether they want to convert to
another religion.

Dara Singh wanted to punish Staines for exercising his constitutional right
to profess and propagate religion. A debate on the moral aspects of the
death penalty aside, if the motive of punishing a person for exercising a
fundamental constitutional right is considered a “mitigating factor” by our
courts then constitutional rights will cease to have meaning. For this
reason, the court’s decision to expunge the controversial remark must be
welcomed. However, public memory is not as easily erasable as a paragraph in
a judgm

[Goanet] Freedom fighters or fraudsters/Let us move forward to retain what is left of GOA to be ruled by Good Goans not Goonies - REST IS FRILLS AND LACES as Marion Pereira would say!

[Bernado Colaco]

Yes  bharat with its tumultuous governance will soon become a part of China. 
Begin to eat with chop sticks!

BC

How many characters are there in Goa who want to make Goa special 
administrative 
region of China? One or two?

Cheers,

Santosh

Re: [Goanet] Freedom fighters or fraudsters/Let us move forward to retain what is left of GOA to be ruled by Good Goans not Goonies - REST IS FRILLS AND LACES as Marion Pereira would say!

[Santosh Helekar]

How many characters are there in Goa who want to make Goa special 
administrative region of China? One or two?

Cheers,

Santosh



--- On Sat, 1/15/11, Bernado Colaco  wrote:
>
> Hi Oscar,
> 
> I blame all those Goans involved in the events of 61.
> Recently I challenged Valmiki Faleiro (Patroitism in Action)
> for eulogizing those Goans who were involved in the armed
> actions of 61. Chaps like Braganca etc were naive and
> donkeys. Today only full autonomy will save Goa under a
> Special Administrative region system. Putting good
> candidates up for elections is only a waste of time and
> money. Instead all efforts must be made to radicalize young
> Goans to fight the various dangers faced by our motherland,
> specially against those singing Jai Ram.
> 
> Regards
> 
> BC
> 


  

Re: [Goanet] Freedom fighters or fraudsters/Let us move forward to retain what is left of GOA to be ruled by Good Goans not Goonies - REST IS FRILLS AND LACES as Marion Pereira would say!

[Bernado Colaco]

Hi Oscar,

I blame all those Goans involved in the events of 61. Recently I 
challenged Valmiki Faleiro (Patroitism in Action) for eulogizing those 
Goans who were involved in the armed actions of 61. Chaps like Braganca 
etc were naive and donkeys. Today only full autonomy will save Goa under 
a Special Administrative region system. Putting good candidates up for 
elections is only a waste of time and money. Instead all efforts must be 
made to radicalize young Goans to fight the various dangers faced by our 
motherland, specially against those singing Jai Ram.


Regards

BC




Subject: RE: Freedom fighters or fraudsters/Let us move forward to 
retain what is left of GOA to be ruled by Good Goans not Goonies - REST 
IS FRILLS AND LACES as Marion Pereira would say!


Hi Bernado

What do we know about this man – Tristao de Braganca Cunha? And why do 
we only blame the Hindus in Goa for the so called “Liberation of Goa”?


Best

Oscar C. Lobo.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goan_Catholics#Notable_Goan_Catholics

Tristão de Bragança Cunha

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Tristão de Bragança Cunha
Tristão de Bragança Cunha (sometimes spelled as Tristao de Braganza 
Cunha) (1891 -1958) was a prominent nationalist and anti-colonial 
activist from Goa (then part of Portuguese India, now modern India).


He is popularly known as the "Father of Goan nationalism", and organizer 
of the first movement to liberate Goa from Portuguese rule.

Re: [Goanet] Freedom fighters or fraudsters/Let us move forward to retain what is left of GOA to be ruled by Good Goans not Goonies - REST IS FRILLS AND LACES as Marion Pereira would say!

[Oscar Lobo]

Hi Bernado

What do we know about this man – Tristao de Braganca Cunha? And why do 
we only blame the Hindus in Goa for the so called “Liberation of Goa”?


Best

Oscar C. Lobo.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goan_Catholics#Notable_Goan_Catholics

Tristão de Bragança Cunha

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Tristão de Bragança Cunha
Tristão de Bragança Cunha (sometimes spelled as Tristao de Braganza 
Cunha) (1891 -1958) was a prominent nationalist and anti-colonial 
activist from Goa (then part of Portuguese India, now modern India).


He is popularly known as the "Father of Goan nationalism", and organizer 
of the first movement to liberate Goa from Portuguese rule.


[edit] Biography

Cunha was born on April 2, 1891 in the village Chandor in Goa. He 
complete his school education in Panjim and then went to Pondicherry to 
French College for his B.A. and then to Paris. There he studied at the 
Sorbonne University and obtained a degree in electrical engineering. In 
Paris, Cunha entered the circle of Romain Rolland and helped publicize 
the Indian independence movement generally, and the case of Portuguese 
India in particular, in the French-language press.


Cunha returned to Goa in 1926 and he set up the Comissão do Congresso de 
Goa (Goa Congress Committee) in Goa in 1928 to organize the Goan 
intelligentsia against Portuguese colonial rule. Pressured by Portuguese 
authorities, Cunha transferred operations to Bombay and in 1938, 
affiliated his organization with the Indian National Congress. He 
continued publicizing the Goan case in a stream of articles and books, 
denouncing Portuguese rule. Among his publications were booklets Four 
Hundred Years of Foreign Rule and The Denationalization of Goans (1944). 
Cunha was an advocate of Goan identification, political as well as 
cultural, with greater India.


In 1946, Cunha helped organize the famous assembly in Margão, inviting 
the INC speaker Ram Manohar Lohia to address what was arguably the first 
and largest mass gathering yet, setting in motion the Goa liberation 
movement. Along with the other organizers, Cunha was arrested by the 
Portuguese authorities in 1946. He was kept in dark damp cell at Fort 
Aguada. He was the first civilian to be tried by a military tribunal. He 
was court-martialed and sentenced to eight years imprisonment. He was 
deported to the Peniche prison in Portugal.


After his release from Portugal in 1954, Cunha returned to Bombay. Cunha 
formed and headed the Goa Action Committee, to help coordinate the 
numerous Goan liberation organizations that had emerged by this time. He 
published a newspaper called "Free Goa".


He died on September 28, 1958, Loknayak Jaiprakash Narayan was one of 
the pallbearers. The Government of India issued a postage stamp in his 
honour.


[edit] References

[1]
[2]
[edit] External References

[3] Glória ao Herói no Quarto Aniversário da Morte de Tristão de 
Brangança Cunha - Poem by Visnum Porobo Sincró commemorating the fourth 
anniversary of Cunha Bragança's death (Portuguese)

Persondata
Name
Cunha, Tristao De Braganza
Alternative names

Short description

Date of birth
1891
Place of birth

Date of death
1958
Place of death

[Goanet] Freedom to destruct

[Bernado Colaco]

>From where did you get this that Goans were slaves. Slaves are your bharati 
brothers in Bihar , Karnatka who are bound for the rest of their lives. 


BC



Freedom to destruct?
Goa was under Portuguese rule for over 400 years.Might be?we were?treated? as 
slaves by the Portuguese?but they take good care of our nature.The natural 
beauty of Goa cannot be described by words, but after liberation our beloved 
Goa 

was miserably raped and we so called sons and daughters of the soil apart from 
writing and gossiping at Taverna's couldn't stop the so called our own people 
in 

power from destructing Goa in the name of unplanned development.
After Liberation,our agriculture land? was grabbed to make way for 
polluting?industries and concrete structures,our hills are been razed into flat 
surfaces and now the Navy is after our Islands in the name of Security.
Though we were slaves for 400 plus years we never had problems with regard to 
the Security of our sobit,sundor Goem but now things are different.
Viva Goa,!??

[Goanet] Freedom to destruct

[Joel Moraes]

Freedom to destruct?
Goa was under Portuguese rule for over 400 years.Might be we were treated  as 
slaves by the Portuguese but they take good care of our nature.The natural 
beauty of Goa cannot be described by words, but after liberation our beloved 
Goa 
was miserably raped and we so called sons and daughters of the soil apart from 
writing and gossiping at Taverna's couldn't stop the so called our own people 
in 
power from destructing Goa in the name of unplanned development.
After Liberation,our agriculture land  was grabbed to make way for 
polluting industries and concrete structures,our hills are been razed into flat 
surfaces and now the Navy is after our Islands in the name of Security.
Though we were slaves for 400 plus years we never had problems with regard to 
the Security of our sobit,sundor Goem but now things are different.
Viva Goa,!  

Joel Morais
P.O.Cuncolim,
Bencleamvaddo,
Salcette,Goa.
mob-9970561727

[Goanet] Freedom Fighter

[From PAES]

 
 
 
FREEDOM  FIGHTER
 
By: Bennet Paes
 
Having passed through the portals of three Universities, and yet failing to get 
past the freshman’s mark, I stumbled into a selective band  of Goans on the 
Indian side of the border. They prided themselves being called Freedom 
Fighters, (FF’s). That was way back in Bombay, in the 50’s.
 
By and large the FF’s looked  a dejected lot, just as I was, myself. And that 
may be just one reason for having to call ourselves ‘hail-fellows-well-met’. 
However, in a short while I discovered that the most  compelling reason why 
they were on the wrong side of the border, was their hatred for a foreign rule 
in our motherland or rather, the fear of the Portuguese masters themselves. 
Mine too was fear, but it was of an angry father who felt the pinch of 
converting Escudos for six long years, without seeing a single academic title 
on either side of his son’s name.
 
>From the days of Mahatma Gandhi’s tryst with freedom, one prerequisite to be a 
>‘Freedom Fighter’ came to be accepted as a short adventure in an Indian jail. 
>Critics then called it  a picnic in prison. And may be rightly so. In today’s 
>India, too,  people get  into a jail one day, bailed out the next and 
>everything goes hunky-dory thereafter.
 
On the other hand, Portuguese jails were far removed from the romance of a 
Presley’s ‘Jailhouse Rock’. They were exactly what lawbreakers deserved to be 
in. Discipline was what they exacted out of an erring ‘rocker’, and the stick 
did the trick. However, their aversion to the so-called freedom-fighters roused 
them to raise that stick even higher. It’s because they branded them as  
terrorists – the very label that India now puts on Pakistanis marauding across 
the Kashmiri border, but which label Pakistan itself brushes off as ‘freedom 
fighters’. Amazing how pots and kettles can change colours with changing 
situations.
 
Incidentally, some of the freedom loving buddies in Bombay were already known 
to me while in Goa. They were also known for  tampering  with  the  strict  
law  and  order of the  Portuguese 
regime. However, in most cases they found themselves behind bars for offences 
unrelated to freedom or sometimes mistaken for it. For example, one of them, 
sloshed with local ‘feni’ one evening, passed by the Margao ‘quartel’ (police 
quarters) shouting out: “Jakin, Jakin”. In a drunken state he was only calling 
out to his wife to show him the way home. Instead, the officer guarding the 
post showed him the way to a cell right behind. Reason - he thought the man was 
shouting “Jaihind, Jaihind”, a slogan popular with the freedom-fighters of 
those days. Later the man was drained off the hooch, and beaten up to an extent 
that propelled him right on  the other side of the border.
 
Nevertheless, having been influenced by Mahatma Gandhi’s struggle for freedom, 
a path hugely accentuated by his courtship with prison-cells, the local machos 
also developed an appetite for  freedom of sorts. But what was under suspicion 
was their determination to fight for it. They tried to emulate the great 
Mahatma in so far as his sit-in’s were concerned. But his fasts- unto-death 
dreaded them as death itself. Particularly, the group that I came to be 
associated with, was hardly of the type that would deny itself a morsel for any 
cause on earth, freedom included.
 
Gandhi’s struggle for freeing a colonized nation  did have a bearing on the 
300-year old British struggle to coalesce that very nation. But ‘satyagraha’ 
was a different kettle of fish for the Portuguese. Such non-violent ploys to 
dislodge them from a 450-year hold on their “Estado da India Portuguesa” were 
in sharp contrast to those deployed by them to retain their supremacy on. They 
had used the sword – not a sit-in, to ward off persistent  rebellions by 
domestic dynasties in the past. The same tactics continued, even while dealing 
with non-violent dissenters. Although much credit goes to those Goans who put 
their lives on the block in their pursuit of freedom, the others merely rode on 
the back of Nehru’s “Operation Vijay” that eventually earned for them a place 
on the roll-of-honour, supposedly dedicated only to Goa’s men of mettle.
 
I was, neither this side, nor that side of the border when the 80,000-strong 
Indian onslaught reversed the history of Goa for good. But, from far away 
Kuwait I said to myself: oh, how I missed watching the grand spectacle from the 
sidelines, and   then declaring myself a Freedom Fighter!
 
--
 
 
 

[Goanet] Freedom of speech in India but not Goa?

[Cajetan Alvares]

---
Sign the Petition requesting The Honble Minister of State for Environment
 and Forests (I/C) to maintain the moratorium on issuing further
 environmental clearances for mining activities in Goa

  http://goanvoice.org.uk/miningpetition.php
---

I had replied to an article by Anil Desai about Court decision in favour of
Muslims in India.
I got a reply that my article was not Goa related.

Obviously there are NO MUSLIM living in Goa.

If there are, then Goans should know about What Islam Teaches, via Muslims
(ex) themselves.
Simplest way was (in the age of internet, for Goans to expand their
knowledge) to at least know that there is a site on the internet-
www.faithfreedom.org -and let Goans decide.
If there are Muslims in Goa, freedom of speech demands that Goans should
know what their Quran says. Why live in the dark about Muslims?
There is a $50,000/- reward for shutting that site down, shouldn't Goans
have the right to claim it too?
Let Goans decide.

[Goanet] Freedom fighters in Goa

[Bernado Colaco]

I think the act below is that of goondagiri probably imported from the bharat 
union or east africa.

BC


In one particular incident, Mr. Bonfilho da Cruz was the Director of
Education when the Directorate was housed in the Massano de Amorim building.
The office bearers and a few selected members of AGSSTA entered the
Director's cabin and laid siege to it. This was the first time that teachers
in Goa had resorted to a gherao

Re: [Goanet] Freedom Fighters in Goa

[Tony de Sa]

 From: Rajesh Dessai 
To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
Subject: [Goanet] Freedom Fighters in Goa

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Re: [Goanet] Freedom Fighters in Goa

[Tony de Sa]

Another Genuine Freedom Fighter and a great benefactor of teachers whom I
was closely associated with was the late Ravindranath Pai Raiturkar who for
a number of years headed the All Goa Secondary School Teachers Association
(AGSSTA).

Mr. Ravindra Pai Raiturkar refused to accept the Tamra Patra and a Freedom
Fighters Pension.

He headed the Teachers Association when the very fact that you joined the
Association was enough to give you the pink slip. Those were days in which
teachers had no job security - you could have your services terminated with
one months notice or a month's salary in lieu of notice without assigning
any reason. Some managements used this clause to suppress any organized
teachers movement. I know because I started teaching in those days way back
in 1969.

Raiturkar not only headed the teachers movement, but gave it a firm and
fixed direction. He was a tough negotiator and was a great champion of
teachers causes. It was under his Presidentship that managements were given
100 percent grant towards teachers salaries. This was achieved not without a
tough fight which included a torchlight march to Panjim from all corners of
Goa. Later on he fought and succeeded in getting teachers salaries paid
through banks. This prevented unscrupulous managements from making illegal
deductions from teachers salaries.

In one particular incident, Mr. Bonfilho da Cruz was the Director of
Education when the Directorate was housed in the Massano de Amorim building.
The office bearers and a few selected members of AGSSTA entered the
Director's cabin and laid siege to it. This was the first time that teachers
in Goa had resorted to a gherao

As in the seventies there was a great shortage of teachers, he was
responsible for getting teachers trained on deputation. This meant that they
would be paid full salaries during their teachers training course.

Mr. Ravindranath Pai Raiturkar deserves to be called a worthy son of Goa.


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[Goanet] Freedom Fighters in Goa

[Marshall Mendonza]

Talking about freedom fighters, I recollect my father narrating to us
stories of people who were sent to prison for fighting for freedom among
whom was Prof James Fernandes (formerly St Xavier's College Mapuca) from my
village in Assonora. I believe that not only did he not claim any benefits
or pension but completed his studies on his release and earned his living
very honourably. Let us not forget such people who made a tremendous
sacrifice.

Regards,

Marshall

[Goanet] Freedom fighters in Goa

[Xanno Moidecar]

One gets days when nothing seems to go right.   Alas this is my second 
retraction today.  Mr Dessai before you think I was being sarcastic or 
patronizing I want to hasten and assure you that my last post in this thread 
was prompted by my misreading your contribution.

But I may not be far wrong when I commented on your selflessness and honour.  
It takes a big man to admit his mistakes as you have done and a very good man 
to decline the benefits of false pretence.

Sincerely

Xanno Moidecar

[Goanet] Freedom Fighters in Goa

[Xanno Moidecar]

I concur completely with Rajesh Dessai’s analysis of the situation vis-à-vis 
Goemcar freedom fighters.  I personally knew two in Moira.  The first the late 
Purshottam, fondly called Purso, was the genuine article, actively involved in 
the struggle.   He was a gentleman.  He loved singing and always took part in 
our yuletide ‘serenades’.  Unfortunately he was prey to that common Goemcar 
disease that has taken such a heavy toll in our land.

The second is a well known local charlatan who claims his freedom fighters 
pension even though everyone knows that his opportune incarceration was for 
some petty swindle and had absolutely nothing to do with the struggle.

But I won’t delve in this time worn tale of the good, the bad and the ugly.  
I’ve only written this post Mr. Dessai to say that it is a pleasure and an 
honor to hear and read about and from  a  Goemcar who thought and felt and gave 
as much for his motherland as you have.  Thank you for giving so much of 
yourself for our beautiful Goem. 

It is such a pity though that while your bravery and selflessness helped get 
rid of one colonizer, the aftermath which should have safeguarded Goemcar 
identity has only resulted in a dilution of Goemcarponn in Goem.  

Sincerely





Xanno Moidecar

Re: [Goanet] Freedom Fighters in Goa

[floriano]

That a Man [ which we normally say 'Ata Man' ]

Yes dear Rajesh. You are that man who did not claim the FF's title when 
released from Jail in 1961.
And what you say is correct. There were hardly any freedom fighters in jail 
then but hard core as well as petty criminals. I believe Dayanand Bandodkar 
was one of them too. But his crime( as I am told) was that the Portuguese 
thought he was suspected to have been involved in harbouring the cross 
border satyagrahis which has blown off some mining machinery at that time. 
And Bandodkar was a mine owner himself.  And I am also told that DB also 
claimed the FF's status initially but withdrew from the same on good advice.


By any chance was DB with you? It is believed that DB wrote a clandestine 
letter to the Commandant of the Jail ratting on the satyagrahis (naming 
them) so that he could be in good books with the jailors and be released. As 
far as I know, this is authentic information. By any chance have you heard 
of it while in Jail??


We appreciate your strainght-forwardness. We all get involved in petty 
crimes sometime or the other.Even a well deserved  'punching of some idiot's 
nose and bloodying it'  is a crime now a days. The punishment then ( during 
the Portuguese regime) was hard and savage. Today, it is Amul Maska ( if one 
has the right connections or the right number of currency bills in the 
pocket) and that is why we have so many crimes and so many criminal to the 
extent that our very own legislators in the Legislative Assemblies and in 
our august Parliament are hard core criminals. Can any thing more be said on 
this??



Welcome to Goa. We need people like you now, before all is lost forever.

Cheers
floriano
goasuraj
9890470896
www.goasu-raj.org


GOA does not only need HONEST persons to contest elections, and,
Goa does not only need HONEST  voters to elect honest persons.
But GOA mainly needs an 'HONEST SYSTEM of GOVERNANCE'.
Wherein, even a dishonest person is forced to be honest  or to QUIT.
Such HONEST SYSTEM is knocking at GOA's portals.
A 'PRECIOUS GIFT' to GOA by committed GOANS.
A  'GIFT HORSE'  that must not be looked in the mouth.

PPS=PEOPLE for POLITICAL SANITY
Display the 'PPS' sticker on your vehicle today, to reject political madness 
tomorrow.





- Original Message - 
From: "Rajesh Dessai" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 11:13 AM
Subject: [Goanet] Freedom Fighters in Goa



Today I read a post by Tony De Sa about his relations being freedom
fighters imprisoned at the Aguada Jail.  Can Tony please tell me the
names of his relatives who were in the jail at that time?  I would
like to know and catch up with my fellow inmates if they are still
around.

I have been a prisoner in that jail from 1958 till the liberation of
Goa.  I know most of the prisoners who were there in jail with me, and
none of us were 'freedom fighters'  Later on I heard that some  of the
chalu prisoners were claiming to be freedom fighters, and I have
always been wondering how that could be possible.  The prisoners that
I remember were in jail for real crimes, some small, some big.  It was
our lucky day to be released from jail by the India govt.  I had 3
more years to go.  Later, these chalu fellows applied for ff pension.
some got tamrapatras.  And I just laugh.

I was young at that time, and made many mistakes in my life.  And I
paid a big price for it, and learned from my mistakes. I am not proud
of my youth, and after my release from jail I moved to Sawantwadi as
my family were not happy with me. Now I am retired and am back in Goa.
It has changed.

Raj

Rajesh Dessai 

[Goanet] Freedom Fighters in Goa

[Rajesh Dessai]

Today I read a post by Tony De Sa about his relations being freedom
fighters imprisoned at the Aguada Jail.  Can Tony please tell me the
names of his relatives who were in the jail at that time?  I would
like to know and catch up with my fellow inmates if they are still
around.

I have been a prisoner in that jail from 1958 till the liberation of
Goa.  I know most of the prisoners who were there in jail with me, and
none of us were 'freedom fighters'  Later on I heard that some  of the
chalu prisoners were claiming to be freedom fighters, and I have
always been wondering how that could be possible.  The prisoners that
I remember were in jail for real crimes, some small, some big.  It was
our lucky day to be released from jail by the India govt.  I had 3
more years to go.  Later, these chalu fellows applied for ff pension.
some got tamrapatras.  And I just laugh.

I was young at that time, and made many mistakes in my life.  And I
paid a big price for it, and learned from my mistakes. I am not proud
of my youth, and after my release from jail I moved to Sawantwadi as
my family were not happy with me. Now I am retired and am back in Goa.
 It has changed.

Raj

Rajesh Dessai

[Goanet] Freedom from Trap

[SHRIKANT BARVE]

Freedom from Trap
 
A unique event titled “Freedom from Trap” is organised by “Chess
Activity Centre of International Centre” on Friday 12, 2010 at International
Centre Goa, Dona Paula.
 
This program is part of ‘Chess for Everyone” activity .  Former Law Secretary 
Mrs. Anuja Prabhudesai
will address at 8.00pm and grace the
event. Noted environmentalist Shri Rajendra Kerkar will preside.
 
Shri Shravan Barve will demostrate “The Right Moves in
seeking freedom between 4 to 6 pm. This will be followed by Chess tournament
for above 25 age category and prize distribution . Spot entries for chess
tournament will be accepted till 5.45pm.
 
The organisers have announced that this program organised in
public interest to promote knowledge empowerment. 
 
Shrikant Barve
Convener : Chess Activity Centre of International
Centre.  
 Shrikant Vinayak Barve
Bombay HC suspends tribunal judge in Goa
http://tinyurl.com/yfzksat
http://www.indlawnews.com/Newsdisplay.aspx?7cd4daa1-438f-4743-8114-3b3b02d9c23a
 
Kerkar faces punishment for expose 
http://tinyurl.com/ykge9zb
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/Kerkar-faces-punishment-for-expose/articleshow/5554280.cms


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[Goanet] Freedom of Expression and the "Social Contract" clause

[Sandeep Heble]

A few days back, the “Sunapranta Centre of Arts” organized a Panel
Discussion on the topic of “Freedom of Speech and Expression”. While
the initiative to gather like-minded citizens was indeed a noble
endeavor and the discussions were by and large healthy and fruitful, I
was not too pleased with the logic of “Social Contract” used by at
least two of the Panelists.

By mooting a “Social Contract obligation”, i.e. advocating the need
for Artists, Writers and other cultural practitioners to show
restraint while exercising their rights under Freedom of Expression,
the Panelists seriously missed the cue.

On this note, let’s recall a very pertinent Court Judgment in the case
of the Tamil film “Ore Oru Gramathile”, which was sought to be banned
on the grounds of “hurt sentiments”. A benchmark was set by the
Supreme Court in this landmark Judgment by endorsing the observations
of the European Court of Human Rights that “freedom of expression
protects not merely ideas that are accepted but those that offend,
shock or disturb the State or any sector of the population”. “Such are
the demands of the pluralism, tolerance and broadmindedness without
which there is no democratic society”, the Court further observed.
The Court also came down heavily on the opposing groups by asserting
that “Freedom of expression which is legitimate and constitutionally
protected cannot be held to ransom by an intolerant group of people”.

In the light of the above, restricted Rights would be no rights at
all. It would mean dragging us back into the dark ages, to those
dreaded times where our rights and freedoms were limited, where those
who disagreed with the Religious Orders were persecuted or executed
(Copernicus, Galileo, etc), where humans lived without dignity
(Racism, Untouchability, etc), where women were treated like inferior
citizens (Sati) and where Science, rationalism and values of humanism
were shred into a million pieces by the Powers that be.

Freedom on those lines would be disastrous. Such a freedom would mean
negating the laws of the land, disrespecting the benchmarks
consistently set by the highest Courts of our land and succumbing to
the politics of threats and intimidation.

Asking an Artist or a writer to suppress his/her creative freedom
would therefore be akin to asking women to stay at home, lest they be
raped by criminals. Or akin to clipping an Eagle’s wings when it(like
our Artists) has been conditioned to scale high altitudes. How
ridiculous!

We live today in a liberal democracy with a Constitution firmly in
place. Freedom of speech and expression are prominent Constitutional
Rights that every citizen enjoys. Let’s respect these rights as
defined by our Constitution and the Courts of our land, without
imposing unreasonable restrictions!

Cheers,
Sandeep

[Goanet] Freedom Fighters

[ignatius fernandes]

My poor Father always thought 
it was divine intervention that 
killed Nehru for invading the 
sacred soil of Goa.
Regards
Ignatius Fernandes.

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Re: [Goanet] Freedom Fighters

[Santosh Helekar]

--- On Sun, 6/28/09, J. Colaco < jc>  wrote:
> 
> re #3; The death was following an acute (sudden) event. The
> term "heart failure" is too general, but this is not the forum
> for a discussion on that topic.
> 

I had heard many years ago as a medical student that Nehru died from a ruptured 
aortic aneurysm, the existence of which his personal physician, the eminent 
cardiologist Rustom Jal Vakil was aware of, and was courageous enough to tell 
him long before his death. I have not been able to confirm this through any 
authentic source. The official position is that he died of a stroke. Vakil also 
knew that Muhammed Ali Jinnah was suffering from lung cancer. But he kept it a 
secret because of patient-physician confidentiality. I have been able to 
confirm the latter through the medical literature.

Cheers,

Santosh


  

Re: [Goanet] Freedom Fighters

[Alfred de Tavares]

Was'nt it in 1963 Nehru died?

 

AT
 
> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 18:44:54 +0530
> From: mmendonz...@gmail.com
> To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
> Subject: Re: [Goanet] Freedom Fighters
> 
> Jose Colaco:
> BTW Marshall, Where did you find this info that Nehru was a 'sick man' soon
> after the Indo-China war?. Wasn't the event which culminated in his death in
> 1964, a sudden one?
> 
> Response:
> After so many years I am unabIe to pinpoint the exact source. Whenever I
> have time, I will try and trace the source. However, I recollect reading in
> either Lt Gen B M Kaul's (The Untold Story) or M O Mathai's (My days with
> Nehru) or maybe M C Chagla's(Roses in December) or Brig John Dalvi's
> (Himalayan Blunder) book that the Chinese invasion took Nehru completely by
> surprise especially after all that Hindi-Chini bhai- bhai stuff after the
> Panchasheel declaration. The utter defeat of the Indian army and the loss of
> territory to the Chinese broke Nehru's spirit. He was not his normal self
> after that and was a broken man. He slowly deteriorated in health and mind
> which culminated in his death in 1964. The exact cause of his death is
> neither here nor there and he well have died from a heart failure. I am open
> to correction.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Marshall

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Re: [Goanet] Freedom Fighters

[J. Colaco < jc>]

Marshall Mendonza wrote

[1] the Chinese invasion took Nehru completely by surprise especially
after all that Hindi-Chini bhai- bhai stuff after the
Panchasheel declaration. The utter defeat of the Indian army and the
loss of territory to the Chinese broke Nehru's spirit. He was not his
normal self after that and was a broken man.

[2] He slowly deteriorated in health and mind which culminated in his
death in 1964.

[3] The exact cause of his death is neither here nor there and he well
have died from a heart failure. I am open
to correction.

==
jc comment:

Marshall is quite correct about #1, but not so about # 2.

re #3; The death was following an acute (sudden) event. The term
"heart failure" is too general, but this is not the forum for a
discussion on that topic.

Having said that, allow me to say this: Nehru was guided by his
side-kick, the lefty Krishna Menon. Nehru was also a politician who
(like ALL politicians) did everything (including make ANY promises) to
get what he wanted. The invasion of Goa was part of the political
expediency at the time. Anytime a governing party is at risk of losing
an election, expect a war or some anti-other religion nonsense, a
bogus VideoCD, or the laying of foundation stones for projects which
have not a farthing's chance of commencing in the next 10 years.

While Nehru may have made that speech about 'wanting to preserve the
identity of Goa', he did absolutely nothing to ensure that. If  he was
serious about it - he would have organised it in the ANNEXATION
document itself. But, he did not. Now, if Marshall knows otherwise for
sure, I am open to correction.

BTW: Goa Freedom Fighter, journalist and author, the now late Lino
Leitão had something to say about that this in  his piece on TGF.
http://www.colaco.net/1/nizgoemcar.htm

jc

Re: [Goanet] Freedom Fighters

[Marshall Mendonza]

Jose Colaco:
BTW Marshall, Where did you find this info that Nehru was a 'sick man' soon
after the Indo-China war?. Wasn't the event which culminated in his death in
1964, a sudden one?

Response:
After so many years I am unabIe to pinpoint the exact source. Whenever I
have time, I will try and trace the source. However, I recollect reading in
either Lt Gen B M Kaul's (The Untold Story) or M O Mathai's (My days with
Nehru) or maybe M C Chagla's(Roses in December) or Brig John Dalvi's
(Himalayan Blunder) book that the Chinese invasion took Nehru completely by
surprise especially after all that Hindi-Chini bhai- bhai stuff after the
Panchasheel declaration. The utter defeat of the Indian army and the loss of
territory to the Chinese broke Nehru's spirit. He was not his normal self
after that and was a broken man. He slowly deteriorated in health and mind
which culminated in his death in 1964. The exact cause of his death is
neither here nor there and he well have died from a heart failure. I am open
to correction.

Regards,

Marshall

Re: [Goanet] Freedom fighters etc

[J. Colaco < jc>]

Just heard from Alfredo the day before yesterday.

He is with his family in Montevideo, Uruguay

jc

==

2009/6/25 Luis Vas :
Those debating the above subject may be interested in the link below
for  Alfredo de Mello's article on an aspect of the subject. By the
way is he  still alive?


 http://www.abbefaria.com/Abbe%20Faria%20Conspiracy.htm

[Goanet] Freedom fighters etc

[Luis Vas]

Those debating the above subject may be interested in the link below for
Alfredo de Mello's article on an aspect of the subject. By the way is he
still alive?


http://www.abbefaria.com/Abbe%20Faria%20Conspiracy.htm

[Goanet] FREEDOM FIGHTERS MEMORIAL to be set up - CUNCOLIM

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The Government of Goa proposes to construct a Freedom Fighters Memorial near 
the New Kadamba Transport Corporation Ltd Bus stand at Cuncolim,Salcete South 
Goa District  at the behest  of the Minister for Urban Development and MLA 
Cuncolim Assembly Constituency Mr Joaquim Alemao.  Interestingly the names of 
freedom fighters (both living and dead ) involved in the freedom movement from 
Cuncolim are intended to be incorporated on the plaque on this  memorial.  

According to the Chairperson of Cuncolim Municipal Council, Mr Filonio Vaz, who 
spoke to this writer telephonically on 19th &  20th January, 2009 and also gave 
the names as herein below. He however said that with  a view to ensure that 
none are left out or wrongly enlisted suggestions  if any, have been called 
from the members of the public within seven days of the notice (13th Jan,2009) 
.  

This   exercise  has been widely appreciated by the members of the public as 
per informal talks this writer  held with some of the senior citizens of 
Cuncolim infact some felt that the memorial was long over due, but better late 
than never. 
 
When Mr Vaz was asked to clarify on what documents he would rely on to 
ascertain the veracity and credentials of the freedom fighters , he  stated 
that a document in proof of receipt of pension or any other document would be 
acceptable.  When  pressed further to ascertain whether those that were 14 
years of age (born in 1947 ) or less as on day of Liberation  19/12/1961 could 
be considered.  He said that there were instances where such youth then,  could 
have also abetted in suplementing efforts for the  freedom movement by 
indirectly assisting the older ones and therefore they too could qualify for 
the same ofcourse with valid documents as stated above.  

However there is some disagreement on this opinion by several others. One 
Cuncolkar had this to say.  Assuming the freedom fighter was 14 years on  1961 
and he married on attaining  the age of attaining majority i.e. 18 or 21 yrs 
(1965/1968 ) his children would not have qualified for admisssion to seats in 
educational professional institutions beyond 25 years of age  or for Government 
employment beyond the age of 40 ( a concession of five years given to freedom 
fighters  ) but yet there are many such cases he stated. Have such cases been 
scrutinised carefully he wondered. 

When asked to elaborate  he was reluctant but confided a name and begged not to 
 put it on record. He said if one obtains such information under the Goa Right 
to Information Act in cases of those freedom fighters born after 1947 the truth 
will come to light.  According to him some dossiers of the then Goa Police are 
available in Portugal and even France in the archives and it would be 
appropriate to examine them separately, to stop the rot going endlessly even 
after nearly 48 yrs of Liberation.

He is therefore of the  opinion that  information atleast in respect of these 
persons listed below should be examined  from the Government of Goa freedom 
fighters records to ascertain importantly the documentary evidence of which the 
Government has relied upon before finalizing the list .  He mentioned jokingly 
" imagine a thief having been imprisoned by the erstwhile Portuguese regime" if 
 the foreign dignitaries or ex Portuguese government officials  happen to see 
their names wrongly placed on the plaque they would make us Cuncolkars and 
Goans a laughing stock; as many are not aware of the freedom fighters who 
indeed are in receipt of pensions or the "tamra patras" letters of accredition.

It is now left for Cuncolkars and Goans world wide to send in information on 
the persons included or left out at the earliest. 

List of freedom fighters  (living)
Veroda 
Uttam Dattaram Dessai, Bombi Shamba Dessai,
Sanvorcotta
Mahableshwar Narayan Dessai, Vishnu Soiru Angle, Srikant Vassu Pai Angle, 
Jaiwant Suryaji Kunde, Sadanand Trivikram Kunde, Ramesh Narayan Kunde, Narayan 
Shanu Naik, Prizon Tavares, Madukar Ganesh Shenvi Talaulikar, Khushali Nagu 
Dessai  
Maddicotta
Suresh Kashinath Ghodekar, Smt Sushila Narayan Padiyar, Chandrakant Vaikunth 
Shenvi Kenkre
Demani 
Babuli Balu Chitari ,Gopal Narayan Chitari,  Chandrakant Laxman Prabhu, -  
Bencelmwaddo
Fulgencio Moraes, Viviano Almeida
Naiguilo
Rama Sada Shet Dessai 
Buinsa
Rama Yeshwant Dessai, Antonio Pereira, Vinayak Raghunath Dessai
Murida
Rohidas Raghunath De

[Goanet] Freedom fighter week

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>Edward writes:
>Hi,
>Just because I have a Christian name and am an NRG (tough if you are >jealous 
>of my NRG status).
>You seem to have a notion that, unless I come to Goa, take my trousers >down 
>and pi** and Sh** on the streets of Panjim and the Beaches I'm not >one of 
>your peers.

Abuse is not going to get you anywhere. 

samir



  

Re: [Goanet] Freedom fighter week

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Reply to Message: 11 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 05:53:08 -0800 (PST) From: Samir 
Kelekar who said:
"Nachna na jane, aangan tedha". For a person with a warped vision, the world 
looks warped.
Dont blame it on freedom fighters; you who ran away from your responsibilities  
as a citizen are responsible for the above.
--
Hi,
Just because I have a Christian name and am an NRG (tough if you are jealous of 
my NRG status).
You seem to have a notion that, unless I come to Goa, take my trousers down and 
pi** and Sh** on the streets of Panjim and the Beaches I'm not one of your 
peers.
Alternatively been a freedom fighter.
--
Let me tell you a 'factual' traumatising experience I had to deal with (still 
do) in Goa with Freedom Fighters of Goa, when I was young.
A Goan gentleman who worked in the State Bank of India in Mumbai (Bombay), 
Retired and was living in Goa on his Indian State pension.
Freedom fighters came to his door and demanded money from him for their cause.
They said to him you have to support us because you are eating Indian money, we 
need some of it (a lot actually).
He said I do not have that kind of money I live on small pension. They told him 
they didn't care.
HE DID NOT KNOW WHAT WAS COMING TO HIM.
Next NIGHT they came for their money - he had none.
THEY SHOT HIM.
Goa freedom fighters? - lots of respect for human kind? - now want my tax money 
to eat sitting at home?
ED.


  

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>Hi,
>Who ever has said what below? - any way.
>The mentality of these people is warped.

"Nachna na jane, aangan tedha". For a person with a warped vision, the world 
looks warped.


>Sacrifices the freedom fighter did was to end up with - wait for a minute.

>THE GHANTIS P***ING AND SH**ING ALL OVER THE STREETS OF PANJIM.
>and, THE OTHER GHANTIS DESTROYING THE BEAUTY OF GOA WITH CONCRETE, >because of 
>which (the beauty) they came here in the first place.
>SO STOP PICKING ON THE NRG's and get on with your work.

What have the NRGs done to stop the above state of affairs ?

Dont blame it on freedom fighters; you who ran away from your responsibilities 
as a citizen are responsible for the above.

>Or?! are you picking on the NRGs because you have nothing better to do or 
>>JUST JEALOUS.

>ED.



  

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Hi,
Who ever has said what below? - any way.
The mentality of these people is warped.

Sacrifices the freedom fighter did was to end up with - wait for a minute.

THE GHANTIS P***ING AND SH**ING ALL OVER THE STREETS OF PANJIM.
and, THE OTHER GHANTIS DESTROYING THE BEAUTY OF GOA WITH CONCRETE, because of 
which (the beauty) they came here in the first place.
SO STOP PICKING ON THE NRG's and get on with your work.
Or?! are you picking on the NRGs because you have nothing better to do or JUST 
JEALOUS.
ED.
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Bernado Colaco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
Dr Samir Kelekar (Phd) is knocking at the wrong door. Shri Teotonio is a 
cidadao Portugues. Is Sam calling Teotonio?o escravo dos Portugueses?
BC
Thanks Teotonio-bab, for letting us know about Naguesh Karmali.
The sad state of today is that our youngsters do not know the glorious
sacrifices that Goans did to get us freedom. Instead, people of
slavish mentality who have betrayed Goa and India, taken citizenships
of other countries, are trying to do a revision of history.



  

[Goanet] Freedom fighter week

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Dr Samir Kelekar (Phd) is knocking at the wrong door. Shri Teotonio is a 
cidadao Portugues. Is Sam calling Teotonio o escravo dos Portugueses?
 
BC
 
 
 
 
 
 
Thanks Teotonio-bab, for letting us know about Naguesh Karmali.

The sad state of today is that our youngsters do not know the glorious
sacrifices that Goans did to get us freedom. Instead, people of
slavish mentality who have betrayed Goa and India, taken citizenships
of other countries, are trying to do a revision of history.



  

[Goanet] Freedom fighters in a muddle

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Isn't the below statment a muddle? Has the fake freedom fighter not read the 
contract between Portugal and bharat dated 1976 between Mario Soares and Y. B. 
Chavan?

BC


"The Portuguese rule here was marked with suppression. Goa has changed a
lot post-liberation. We are now part of India and if at all they want
any ties, it should be between India and Portugal," Karmali added.


  

[Goanet] Freedom Fighters are opposing an upcoming Portuguese Cultural Event

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Re. Freedom Fighters are opposing an upcoming Portuguese Cultural Event.

 

 

This is with reference to the recent report in the Media that the
Freedom

Fighters are opposing an upcoming Portuguese Cultural Event.

I wonder their opposition is just to stay in the lime light or to get
some further sops from the government.

If they are so interested in Goa why don't they raise their voices
against the rape and pillage of the goan land going on around them?

Against the corruption that's become so entrenched in our daily life
that if a person is honest he has as much chance of surviving as much as


Some of our "leaders" (mercenaries )  staying in one party during their
elected term.

 

 

 

Bosco D'Souza

 

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[Goanet] Freedom Fighter........

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KUSTOBA


Kustoba Kustoba
Mirasi Indiacho
Terror Goincho
Conflit povatso
Inimig bosttatso
Aik ge maka
Ata kittem sangu tuka
Betle mujem adusat
Betle mujem arsenal
Bonguchay arsenal


Translated

Kustoba
Heir to India
Terror of Goa
Spirit of resistance
Enemy of the Brahmin Priests
Listen to me
What shall I tell you
I have met my nemesis
I've come up against fate
To bear the consequences


SOURCE: Malgonkar, Manohar (May 2004). Inside Goa (2nd Edition). 
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Re: [Goanet] Freedom

[Gabriel de Figueiredo]

--- On Sat, 16/8/08, Albert Desouza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Whether
> you buy a TV, micro wave one does not know what is the
> actual price for the dealer looks at you and your needs and
> also goan mentality and fires a price which normally is four
> times more that the price sold in Delhi. 

Don't know about microwaves or TVs, but Duracells in Delhi were 2 * cost of the 
same package obtained in Goa, last April. And in Agra? 3 * the cost - the 
printed price was craftily cut off or blacked out. 




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[Goanet] Freedom

[Albert Desouza]

Albert writes
Freedom should be felt at heart. One should be delighted that he has got 
freedom. Today we are masters in hell. Though slavery is written off in letters 
in reality we are still slaves. People living in Goa are yet to attain freedom. 
We have electricity connection but no current and are forced to forgo our TV 
serial, sleep etc. You phone 2262218 the complaint section it is either off or 
if it is on the person speaks rudely to you. You dial mobile of the chief 
minister he is too busy to speak to you .You buy any item you are not guranted 
that it will last long. Whether you buy a TV, micro wave one does not know what 
is the actual price for the dealer looks at you and your needs and also goan 
mentality and fires a price which normally is four times more that the price 
sold in Delhi. Government does not provide any forum for you to know the price. 
Today this land has given freedom to thieves and rogues. Freedom to those who 
loot and plunder for the law sometimes protects them. He has his representative 
in the govt for he has spent money to get his representative elected who within 
five years will get pension whereas you and I must wait for years to get one 
tenth of the same pension. You and I have to pay tax but your shopkeeper who 
accepts only cash pays very little tax or no tax. Today you are a slave under 
the pressure of doctors. They take you for a  ride. For mere headache or gas 
you have to take xray, blood test, echo test and what not. The list is endless. 
albert 

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[Goanet] Freedom fighters to be honoured

[D'Souza, Avelino]

Freedom fighters to be honoured 

Panaji (PTI): Around 41 freedom fighters will be honoured on the
occasion of Goa Revolution Day to be held here on June 18. 

Various functions will be organised at the state and taluka level to pay
tributes to the memory of freedom fighters and martyrs for their valiant
efforts and supreme sacrifices for Goa's freedom struggle, a press
release issued here stated. 

The day assumes historic significance as it was on this day in 1946 that
Goans resolved to fight against the Portuguese rule, the release said. 

Goa Governor S C Jamir will preside over as the Chief Guest for the
function. 

Chief Minister of the state, Digambar Kamat, Cabinet Ministers, MLAs and
other dignitaries will also attend the function and pay homage to the
freedom fighters, the release added.

http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/002200806161041.htm

~(^^)~

Avelino

[Goanet] Freedom fighter passes away

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Freedom fighter passes away

Canacona, Jan 15 : Freedom fighter, Mr Pauto Babu Desai (74) from Thalni, 
Gaondogirium in Canacona expired today morning at his residence at Sattoli, 
after brief illness, leaving behind wife and three children.

He was cremated today afternoon. Mr Desai was the member of the Azad Gomant 
Dal (AGD) from 1955 and was involved in nationalist activities. He helped 
AGD workers by providing them with information about the police in his area 
as well as provided them with food.


http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=011653

[Goanet] Freedom fighter Krishnarao Rane passes away

[Goanet News Service]

Freedom fighter Krishnarao Rane passes away


Panaji, Nov 6 A well-known freedom fighter and president of The Navjivan 
Society of Freedom Fighters, Azad Bhavan, Porvorim, Krishnarao Rane died 
after a brief illness, today morning. He was 74.Rane was admitted to Goa 
Medical College and Hospital, Bambolim after he suffered from brain 
haemorrhage on Friday night. The family members rushed him to GMC where he 
was admitted to ICU.


The members of the governing body of Navajivan Society of freedom fighter 
attended the funeral ceremony and paid floral tribute to the departed soul, 
today afternoon.


Krishnarao Rane was an important member of the Azad Gomantak Dal and had 
participated in the armed struggle during Portuguese regime. He was honoured 
with a Tamra Patra by the Union government. He was also honoured by the Goa 
government on Goa Revolution Day for his courage and action in Goan freedom 
struggle. His funeral was well attended by people including freedom fighters 
from all over the state.


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It is not just the Malayalee who has the problem. Most Indians speak English 
with the peculiar sounds of their mother tongues. 'When' often sounds like 
'ven' and 'vine' becomes 'wine'. We also tend to speak fast without stretching 
the vowel sounds. In Orissa and other parts of eastern India, b is freely used 
for w and v, while across the South, prize sounds like price, and rise sounds 
like rice. Gujaratis and Rajasthanis make 'wis' out of wish and their 'shirts' 
are 'sirts'. And a marriage hall is, poignantly or prophetically, "marriage 
hole". Maharashtrians threaten to become 'voilent' and not violent. And those 
from MP and UP have a perpetual problem with starting a word with 's' even if 
they have been to the 'eskool'. There is, however, a cure. And increasingly, 
Indians are seeking this cure. 
In the last few years, it is not just BPO employees who have been learning to 
speak correctly but also scores of housewives businessmen, senior citizens, 
middle level executives and many more who cannot be described. They are taking 
the help of voice trainers to get rid of various flaws in how they speak 
English. 
Forty-eight-year-old Vijaya Sailopal, a Punjabi housewife who lives in Mumbai, 
and mother of two, is an affluent upper middle class social worker who 
volunteers with a non governmental organization. Her job profile entails 
holding various meetings and events where she needs to communicate with a small 
audience. Nobody has told her, but very often Sailopal was conscious of her 
Punjabi accent. 
She enrolled in a voice training class conducted by Anil Mani, who is a 
professional voice-over artiste. Her classes lasted seven weeks and came at a 
price tag of Rs 7,000. It has been two years since she attended the classes and 
she says it's worth it because it gave her confidence a tremendous boost. 
Pratap Sharma who is a veteran in this field says that an 86-year-old Parsi 
woman, Jeannie Naoroji, landed at his classes. At her age, Naoroji's aim was to 
speak to small groups and audiences effectively. All kinds of people are coming 
to him these days, he says, to improve the way they speak in English. 
There are scores of middle level and even senior corporate chieftains who 
attend classes because even though they have achieved a lot in life, their 
accents always worked to their disadvantage. Dr Sadhana Nayak, a Dadar-based 
voice and phonetics specialist, says that 42-year-old Murli Nair (name 
changed), a graduate from IIT and IIM and a regional head in a pharmaceutical 
company, came to him to cure his heavy Malayalee accent. "He was ribbed about 
it throughout his student days. His 10-year-old daughter studying in an English 
school often corrected his pronunciation. He was professionally on the rise and 
looking for a high level position in another firm. He felt his accent came in 
the way. During the break between jobs he came for accent training." 
Then there was the case of Mahesh Iyer, a 49-year-old Dubai- based professional 
working with an oil major. "He felt very self-conscious during presentations 
and meetings as he was often asked to repeat himself. Also he had developed an 
inferiority complex due to his accent. In fact, he said he was better than most 
of them at his work but they communicated with greater confidence than him," 
says Dr Nayak. His vacation was spent correcting his pronunciation and his 
diction. 
With the boom in the economy and the rising aspirations of Indians, there has 
been a steep rise in the number of people enrolling in such classes. Each one 
has a different purpose for enrolling. Some want to get rid of their accents, 
some want to modulate their voices and some want to make a career as voice 
artists. Not surprisingly, Mumbai's voice trainers are raking in a lot. "I have 
seen a 100% rise since last year in the number of executives coming for accent 
neutralisation or modification training and almost a 300% rise in the number of 
enquiries I get on my website," says Nayak. 
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[Goanet] Freedom Fighter Rock Santan has passed away

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Just learnt that eminent Freedom Fighter and two-time former Cuncolim MLA, 
Rock Santan Fernandes passed away January 12, 2007 in New York.

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[Goanet] Freedom fighters oppose honouring of Dr Coissora

[JOANITA FERNANDEZ]

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Freedom fighters oppose honouring of Dr Coissora

HERALD NEWS DESK

PANJIM, DEC 29 - The veteran freedom fighters of Goa have expressed their 
strong opposition to the honoring of Dr Naraina Coissaro in the Global Goans 
convention, scheduled to be held in Goa on January 3, 2007.


In a memorandum submitted on behalf of the action committee of Goan Freedom 
Fighter to Eduardo Faleiro commissioner NRI affairs, Goa the freedom 
fighters Prabhakar Sinari, Flaviano Dias, Pandurang Kunkalienkar, Sudodh 
Dhetye, Narsinva Panchwadkar and Nagesh karmali have started that Dr 
Coissoro who always opposed Goa's liberation from Portuguese colonial rule 
should not be honoured under any circumstances on the soil of free Goa.


It is also stated in the memorandum that Dr Coissoro was writing articles in 
local Portuguese's dailies during 1956 to 1960 the last phase of Goa's 
freedom struggle, condemning the liberation movement and also criticizing 
the fighters who were working for the liberation.


In the recent past in the month of May 2004, when this Dr Coissoro was on a 
visit to Goa had blamed Pandit Nehru for liberating Goa with the help of 
military. Therefore freedom fighters have demanded to cancel the programme 
of honoring Dr Coissoro immediately.


The copies  of the memorandum also has been sent to governor and chief 
minister of Goa. 

[Goanet] Freedom to Rock Goa soon

[Cecil Pinto]

Think Geek Media & Event Productions brings a four day rock-retro club 
concert series (Aug 11-14), a five day `Monsoon Art Festival' (Aug 21-22) 
and a five day celebrity radio chat show on Rainbow FM (Aug 11-15) to 
commemorate Independence Day in Goa.

Think big. Multiply it by three. The Richter scale is going to jump a fair 
amount beginning Aug 11 to 25 when Goa rocks to Seagram's Fuel Freedom Rock 
2006 in a unique three-event art, radio and club concert festivals spread 
over the entire month of August, in a commemorative celebration of 
Independence Day.

Setting a benchmark in 2004 with a unique 3-city, 3-day rock and art 
roadshow at Margao, Vasco and Panjim, subsequently following it with a 
roaring 3 day rock and retro festival in 2005, Seagram's Fuel Freedom Rock 
2006 sets new benchmarks this year with an innovative three event festival 
to commemorate the 59th Independence Day of India:

'Freedom Stroke' - The Monsoon Art Festival (Aug 21-25), Kala Academy
'Freedom Speak' - Dare to Belong show (Aug 11-15), Rainbow FM
'Freedom Rock 2006' - Rock & Retro Club Festival (Aug 11-14), La Calypso, 
Clue Blue, Baga.

Uniting the artistic talent of Goa's best known art personalities in a rare 
coming together of 25 artists, the five day art exhibition and lecture 
series titled `Freedom Stroke - The Monsoon Art Festival' held at the Kala 
Academy (Aug 21-25) features the `Who's Who' of the Goan art fraternity 
like Suhas Shilker, Antonio E Costa, Francis D'Souza, Santosh Morajkar, 
Pradeep Naik, Chaitali Morajkar, Yolanda De Souza, Apurva Kulkarni, Harsada 
Kerkar, Anand Mohan Naik, Alexyz, Rajendra Usapkar, Hitesh Pankar, Tanya 
Mendonsa and others, curated by artist DeviPrasad Rao.

Giving voice to the Right to Expression in a dose of lively free-wheeling 
interviews with Goan celebrities is Seagram's Fling `Dare to Belong Show,' 
on Rainbow FM (Aug 11-15) at 9.00pm to 9.30pm. Getting upclose with Wendell 
Rodricks, Savio Jon, Remo Fernandes, Manohar Parrikar, Hema Sardessai, 
Cecil Pinto, Malini Ramani, Ethel Da Costa, Dr Oscar Rebello, Bondo, Rahul 
Alvares and others, RJ Sachin will spice the airwaves with the best of 
Indian and international rock-retro-fusion music. Supported by Senior - The 
Shoe Store, the show also marks the radio release of `End of Innocence' a 
collaborative single album by rock-fusion band Kismet and Lethal Ethyl 
supported by Children's Rights of Goa (Aug 15).

Raring to go this year giving music a universal flavour of patriotism is 
the unique four day concert run-up to Independence Day, Seagram's Fuel 
'Freedom Rock 2006' (Aug 11 -14) at La Calypso, Baga. Beginning 10.30pm 
onwards, the concerts bring together the best high profile music maestros 
from Goa and Mumbai. Spinning the wheel will be Goa's own DJ Troy and Ajit 
along with Page 3 party circuit maestros DJ Hash, DJ Adi and DJ Clement 
from Mumbai to dynamic live sounds of rock-retro bands Tidal Wave, 2 Sharp 
2 B Flat and Soul Trip from Goa. The event also brings together beauty 
giants Kaya Skin Clinic and Snip-L'Oreal Professional for instant makeovers 
to a glamorous party run-up to Independence Day.

Supported by Kingfisher and La Calypso Hotels, Seagram's Fuel `Freedom Rock 
2006' is conceptualized and managed by Think Geek Media & Event 
Productions, Goa.

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Re: [Goanet] FREEDOM FIGHTERS OR CHORS/CRIMIDORS?

[Frederick Noronha]

Hi AVF: Your fulminations against freedom fighters seems aimed at
basically (i) pointing to the dubious elements among them (and
obviously there would have been, more so with so many benefits being
created in the post-1961 territory) (ii) discrediting freedom-fighters
as a community (iii) somehow questioning an existing reality (the end
of Portuguese rule) and a situation which, while it may cause mental
disquiet for you, actually benefits the majority of people in Goa. Not
just Hindus, but the bulk of Christians who got it rough in
underdeveloped Portuguese times. (Or, as anthropologist Robert S
Newman would say, in feudal colonial times, compared to bourgeois
capitalist post-1961).

While you accuse "very many Hindu freedom fighters" of being "fanatic
Hindus ... (wanting) to turn Goa into a Hindu Raj", the fact remains
that much of the little sorrow over the end of Portuguese rule stems
from a misplaced Catholic 'loss of power', which stems from the
perceived break in sharing the religion of the ruler!

A closer reading of history would reveal that there were groups which
were influenced by the Hindutva position (the Azad Gomantak Dal stands
out here, maybe Teo could correct me), and the RSS had to catch up on
lost time because of its almost total lack of involvement in the
anti-colonial movement against the British. (This also explains, in
part, though local factors cannot be forgotten, for the rise of the
MGP in post-1961 Goa.) But to simplify things to the level you do
simply isn't credible. -FN

PS: The Marathi "masters" you talk about were brought in mainly as
temple priests some 200-300 years ago. Ashok Row Kavi, writing in the
Week around 1987 (language controversy time) has a good exposition of
the relations between them and Goan Hindu society...

While concluding I demand apology from the Freedom Fighters Association in
Goa for the robberies, murders and other dirty acts the rascal freedom
fighters have committed in Goa in the name of freedom movement. Worst of the
crimes and brutalities against Goans during the Portuguese regime were
committed not by Portuguese soldats and Agente Monteiro but by the "Chor"
and "Crimidor" freedom fighters.

A. Veronica Fernandes,
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[Goanet] FREEDOM FIGHTERS OR CHORS/CRIMIDORS?

[A. Veronica Fernandes]

FREEDOM FIGHTERS OR CHORS/CRIMIDORS?

In Bardez, Siolim and Tivim were the main bastions of freedom movement and 
freedom fighters.  These freedom fighters were Christians and Hindus while 
Muslims were not known to belong to this category even though there may be 
some. Very many Hindu freedom fighters were fanatic Hindus and their 
involvement in freedom movement was only to turn Goa into a Hindu Raj 
because many of them were under the impression that Jai “Hind” means Jai 
“Hindu” Raj.  This ignoramus never knew how the word “Hind” originated.  For 
them Hind means Hindu. Hence, their involvement in freedom movement.  Mohan 
Ranade the Marathi Teacher at Verem, Bardez, before attacking the Betim 
Police Outpost around 1959 has vowed to turn Goa into a Hindu Raj according 
to information received that time. He was not an original Goan.  Like many 
of the Marathi Masters coming from the other side of the border he also was 
a Ghantti.  He no doubt conducted a very daring operation where one Goan 
“soldat” was killed and one Paklo soldat was injured but finally Ranade was 
shot, caught and sent to Portugal to serve his long term prison sentence. 
Every Christian got himself involved in freedom movement purely for the sake 
of freedom for Goa from Portuguese rule.  There was no religious fanaticism 
in his involvement in freedom movement. Some of the freedom fighters from 
Tivim were distributing small Holy Pictures of Our Lady of Perpetual Succuor 
with the statements on the back side saying “Portugal Quit Goa”, “Goa 
belongs to Goans and not to Portugal”, these freedom fighters were all 
Christians and they were distributing these holy pictures to the devotees 
coming to Tivim for the Wednesdays Novenas, of course clandestinely. Many of 
the Muslim Palestinians who are fighting for independent Palestine are doing 
so to promote their religious fanaticism while all the Palestinian 
Christians who are fighting to drive Jews out of their land are doing so 
only for the love of freedom for them.  To convert Palestine into a 
theocratic state is not the goal of Christian Palestinians.  There is lot of 
similarities between Muslim Palestinians and Goan Hindu freedom fighters as 
indicated above.


Along with many of the Goan Hindu freedom fighters, Christian freedom 
fighters also jointly conducted operation “Chorio” and operation “Crimi”.  
In the name of freedom movement these “chors” and “crimidors” went on 
rampage of robbing and killing innocent Goans in Goa. So much so, freedom 
fighters finally became synonymous with robbers and criminals in Goa even 
though there were so many freedom fighters with clean record of their 
discipline. Everything worst in Goan society that time was associated with 
freedom fighters.  In Assagao Bardez, Goa, there was one Venkatesh who was 
the owner of one Taverna.  He was the main mastermind behind sheltering the 
“chor and crimidor” freedom fighters.  Under his direction very many of the 
dirty operations were conducted by some of the so called freedom fighters. 
Venkatesh was very good associate of Shirodkar the first Speaker of Goa 
Legislative Assembly. Both of them were strong allies of MGP and many of the 
MGP associates were of dirty character. In Siolim the local Regidor was 
mercilessly tortured and killed by the criminals in the name of freedom 
movement. The Regidor was killed not because he was Regidor appointed by the 
Portuguese Government but because of settling of personal dispute.  The 
Regidor was not a Portuguese Paklo but a Goan.  Those so called freedom 
fighters had no marbles in their pants to kill Portuguese Pakles and 
Portuguese Officers.  These so called Goan Freedom Fighters were killing and 
robbing Goans only because Goans were on weaker side while Portuguese were 
armed.  These freedom fighters even robbed Salgaocars.


In Siolim Soddiem there was one “Casador” Manuel Santan.  He had one servant 
at his residence.  Because he robbed something from Manuel Santan’s house, 
he was thrown out.  In order to take revenge, he joined a group of “Chor and 
Crimidors” who in the name of freedom movement started looting and killing 
Goans.  They were so deadly that they really terrified Siolim and 
surrounding areas.  One fine afternoon they attached Manuel Santan’s 
Residence and took away from him both his Guns which he was using as 
“Casador” to kill “Randukor” in deep mountains in that locality.  His sacked 
servant knew that his former boss had two Guns which finally the “chor” 
freedom fighters started using to kill more Goans and not Pakles.  These 
type of gangs mushroomed all over Goa, they did not want Portuguese to leave 
Goa because they wanted to loot and acquire illicit wealth by robbing rich 
Goans.  Portuguese stay in Goa was a blessing for them because Portuguese 
rule allowed them to rob Goans and make more and more money in the name of 
freedom movement. After Portuguese ouster these freedom fighters fell on the 
road in financial mi