Re: [Goanet] Gilbert's benign neglect/ to Mario
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Mario Goveia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think any objective observer would agree, based on > the facts of what Hitler is known to have done, not > just said, that Hitler was a modern incarnation of > evil, even though you don't seem so sure by > insinuating that I am not being factual. --- Well actually, the real truth (according to your friend Gilbert anyway) is that Hitler and the Nazis were not all that bad for the first half of their rule. Seems like evil is relative, kind of like the rock solid christian moral code. Marlon ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Gilbert's benign neglect/ to Mario
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Aristo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi Mario, > > My apologies for this delayed response, but no > apologies for anything else as you have masterly > wormed out of answering a few of my questions by > your usual twists, distortions & deflections, that I > don't have the time, patience or even botheration to > clarify! ;-) > Mario observes: > Aristo, I understand perfectly. What else can someone who is unable to rebut my devastating facts and logic with any alternative facts and opinions say? Generalities as you have used are far safer, and may even provide an illusion of a logical response, until one notices the absence of anything specific, factual or logical:-)) > Aristo writes: > > And FYI, the Golden rule of reciprocity is not > unique to Christianity, but finds its appearance in > many religions including Atheistic ones, as I > pointed out in the post you mentioned, where > you will find out the answer to why I "burst" into > the scene. (FYI, I burst into the scene well before > that post, but you were too immersed in this Great > Religious Debate to notice) > Mario responds: > Aristo, I apologize for not noticing your previous posts, but your "rapist conundrum" to the Christian Golden Rule certainly caught my attention for its utter absurdity. > Aristo writes: > > As for your belief that Hitler was a manifestation > of Satan himself, it is fine by me...as someone > once told me "One is entitled to ones > own opinions but not to one's own facts".;-) > Mario responds: > I think any objective observer would agree, based on the facts of what Hitler is known to have done, not just said, that Hitler was a modern incarnation of evil, even though you don't seem so sure by insinuating that I am not being factual. > ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Gilbert's benign neglect/ to Mario
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Hi Mario, My apologies for this delayed response, but no apologies for anything else as you have masterly wormed out of answering a few of my questions by your usual twists, distortions & deflections, that I don't have the time, patience or even botheration to clarify! ;-) And FYI, the Golden rule of reciprocity is not unique to Christianity, but finds its appearance in many religions including Atheistic ones, as I pointed out in the post you mentioned, where you will find out the answer to why I "burst" into the scene. (FYI, I burst into the scene well before that post, but you were too immersed in this Great Religious Debate to notice) http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2006-June/044857.html http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2006-July/045134.html As for your belief that Hitler was a manifestation of Satan himself, it is fine by me...as someone once told me "One is entitled to ones own opinions but not to one's own facts".;-) Cheers, Aristo. Mario wrote: > Aristo, I knew you were not really being honest when you said that your previous post on the subject was your last regardless of what anyone else had to say:-)) Why did someone called Aristo burst on the scene claiming that rapists were encouraged to rape because of the Christian Golden Rule? ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Gilbert's benign neglect/ to Mario
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Aristo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > 1) When I previously asked you "Can a Christian be a > fascist?", you seemed to get defensive instead of > your standard "Yes" or "No" or your emphatic "Of > course!" and "Sheesh!" to the rest of the "Can a" > questions answered by you. Here's what you stated: > > http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2006-August/046822.html > "Not a Christian who follows the rock solid > Christian moral code. However, there have been > people who claimed to be Christian but followed NOT > A SINGLE tenet of the rock solid moral code, who > were fascist..These included the Crusaders and > the Inquisition types of ancient times, and Hitler, > Mussolini, Stalin and the Mafioso more recently." > > You could have simply said "Yes, Of course! Sheesh! > but not a Christian who blah blah blah...". I did > not ask about any Code or their "claims". I simply > asked whether a Christian can be a fascist, > considering the fact that you use the word > Islamofascist without a second thought! But Im glad > you clarified that there can be Christianofascists > now. > Mario responds: > Aristo, I knew you were not really being honest when you said that your previous post on the subject was your last regardless of what anyone else had to say:-)) > However, I have no objections under my philosophy that you are entitled to your own opinions but not to your own facts. > Re. your comments above, did you think you were one of my parents or my boss or a cop or a prosecutor in a court of law? > Where did you get the quaint idea that I am supposed to answer you in a manner that you expected to see and in words you wanted to read? I answered as I did simply because this particular question required a fuller answer than yes or no or Sheesh!. Any interpretations that you may make are up to you, and you will typically be wrong because you seem to interpret more than you try to understand. > For example, I have never used the term Islamo-fascist loosely or without a second thought. Because it seems to drive the Islamo-fascist sympathizers on Goanet and elsewhere bonkers I have needed to explain the term several times before you burst on the scene with your absurd "rapist conundrum" to the rock solid Christian moral code. > And you also seem ignorant of the fact that I have called the Crusaders and Inquisition Christians fascists before, using the same standards I use for the Islamo-fascists, so you are flat out wrong when you say that I have done so "now". > Aristo writes: > > But just to make sure: What, in your not so > humble opinion, was Hitler? An Atheist, an > Agnostic or a malevolent Christian fundamentalist > (as opposed to a benevolent tolerant Christian)? > Mario responds: > Hitler was none of the above in my never humble opinion. He was the incarnation of pure evil and racial bigotry and a national socialist as the name of his political party would suggest and a classic fascist megalomaniac. He was no more a Christian than you or Kevin or Stalin or Mao or Ho or Pol are or were Christians. And before you jump out of your kashtie with yet another interpretation, the only thing you and Kevin have in common with the list of tyrants is that none of you are Christians:-)) > Aristo writes: > > The general interpretation of this is Atheist = > BAD! Theist = GOOD! > Mario responds: > Another erroneous interpretation not substantiated by the facts, including my classification of certain theists as fascists. I also happen to know some atheists/agnostics who are very good people. > The major atheist homicidal tyrants are mentioned simply to add perspective to the gratuitous debate on Hitler. If you aggressive atheists can postulate a theory on Hitler being Christian, simply to denigrate Christianity, how are you going to prevent me from bringing up the tyrants who shared your atheism? > Aristo writes: > > But, as you have previously acknowledged, Atheists > are unorganised individuals without any tenets or > moral code. > Mario responds: > More proof that you understand or remember very little of what you read. I have never said that "Atheists" are unorganized individuals without any tenets or moral code, especially after Santosh convinced me that there were a couple of serious morally based organizations that did not believe in a supreme being. In fact, I said that some atheists may have a superior moral code than a religious pe
Re: [Goanet] Gilbert's benign neglect/ to Mario
Mario wrote: - I have not been trying to prove that Hitler was an atheist. - I have on numerous occasions described the Crusaders and Inquisition Christians as Christian-fascists because they conducted their heinous acts in the name of Christianity. - I could care less about anyone'e beliefs or non-beliefs. Aristo Responds: Mario, I am only replying because if what you say above is indeed true, it seems that I owe you an apology. But before that, it is only fair that I tell you why I involved you in the "camp", and that you clarify a few doubts for me: Now I think that you are at least smart enough not to make any direct bigoted statements, but what you say and what you think are two different things. I came to my conclusion based on a few clues that you left behind: 1) When I previously asked you "Can a Christian be a fascist?", you seemed to get defensive instead of your standard "Yes" or "No" or your emphatic "Of course!" and "Sheesh!" to the rest of the "Can a" questions answered by you. Here's what you stated: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2006-August/046822.html "Not a Christian who follows the rock solid Christian moral code. However, there have been people who claimed to be Christian but followed NOT A SINGLE tenet of the rock solid moral code, who were fascist..These included the Crusaders and the Inquisition types of ancient times, and Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin and the Mafioso more recently." You could have simply said "Yes, Of course! Sheesh! but not a Christian who blah blah blah...". I did not ask about any Code or their "claims". I simply asked whether a Christian can be a fascist, considering the fact that you use the word Islamofascist without a second thought! But Im glad you clarified that there can be Christianofascists now. But just to make sure: What, in your not so humble opinion, was Hitler? An Atheist, an Agnostic or a malevolent Christian fundamentalist (as opposed to a benevolent tolerant Christian)? 2) In every second post from you, you never fail to mention the atrocities of Atheist dictators like Pol Pot and Mao, etc, and also Fidel Castro in your recent post. (BTW, if you have time, can you give a detailed account of Fidel Castro's brutalities with reference to unbiased [read non-American] sources, apart from him being a dictator and his unjust imprisonment of political opponents which I already know about). You also never fail to repeat (in true American propaganda style) that the body count of Atheist dictators are more than that of Theistic dictators like Saddam Hussain, etc. This is especially when no one has even bothered to argue this. The general interpretation of this is Atheist = BAD! Theist = GOOD! But, as you have previously acknowledged, Atheists are unorganised individuals without any tenets or moral code. So how does the actions of certain Atheist individual dictators reflect upon other Atheists. No Atheist can represent another or speak for another. Please also note that I have not seen anyone trying to prove that because Hitler was a practising Christian with misguided support from certain religious authorities, that it represents Christianity as evil. So what exactly are you trying to imply with the above statements? Please do tell so that they are not open to interpretation. And finally, what, in your not so humble opinion, is the reason for atrocities committed by Pol Pot, Mao, Hitler, Saddam, Modi, etc? a) The Theological belief itself that they were affiliated to OR; b) The fundamentalist interpretations, ideas, agenda's, or mental conditions of the individual perpetrators? If the answers to the above questions warrant an apology, I will gladly offer one. Regards, Aristo. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
