Re: [Goanet] Goa's so called Freedom fighters special status for Goa
Floriano wrote: But it must be remembered that any derailment that will take place of what Goans propose will be credited to the 'prostitutes' from outside who are well ensconced in the psyche of Goans to the extent that they are feeling GOOD. Comment: In that case, right now to use your term, it has been the 'prostitutes' who have saved Goa. Where are the initiatives started by Goans? We do not need 'prostitutes' from outside to derail anything, we have enough goans of Save Goa fame. Floriano wrote: If at all anything should be decided for Goa, it should be by true thoroughbred Goans and who have the Goan blood running in their veins. Comment: Who are the thorough bred Goans with Goan blood running in their veins? Sorry to be so blunt, but can Goans in Goa, I repeat Goans in Goa, decide anything besides socialising over booze? The problem is that Goans think that they are the most superior race in India and know it all. That is why they are in such a pathetic state of desperation. -Soter
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Dear Goans, I believe Soter has held a mirror in front of each Goan's face and the reflection is not worth looking at, terrible. On the whole Soter may not be all that wrong. Major khuim xhastiram sangta ani pol'lan agta Perhaps, hi'ch zaun assa ami Goenkaranchi goth ??? A zillion dollar question, indeed. Cheers floriano goasuraj 9890470896 www.goasu-raj.org - Original Message - From: soter To: goa...@goanet.org Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goa's so called Freedom fighters special status for Goa * You chose to allow soter (so...@bsnl.in) even though this message failed authentication Click to disallow | -- Comment: In that case, right now to use your term, it has been the 'prostitutes' who have saved Goa. Where are the initiatives started by Goans? We do not need 'prostitutes' from outside to derail anything, we have enough goans of Save Goa fame. Comment: Who are the thorough bred Goans with Goan blood running in their veins? Sorry to be so blunt, but can Goans in Goa, I repeat Goans in Goa, decide anything besides socialising over booze? The problem is that Goans think that they are the most superior race in India and know it all. That is why they are in such a pathetic state of desperation. -Soter
Re: [Goanet] Goa's so called Freedom fighters special status for Goa
George wrote: Can you (time permitting) state what you believe Special Status should entail. This will give readers an idea, perhaps a blueprint to consider. Comment: I think it is for those who keep advocating for special status that need to spell out exactly what they mean. I have not raised the bogey of 'Special Status'. In fact there was an initiative taken by us in 2008 to develop an understanding about 'Special Status for Goa' . As usual it was immediately hijacked by an opportunistic politician. We then had some goans running around for signatures to be presented by this politician in Delhi. Who knows what happened? We are not in the habit of imposing our ideas on others. We have a culture of developing an understanding through wider consultations. Since goans do not have the culture of sittting down to discuss and developing an understanding, they run after something that is thrown to them and get exploited. If there are sincere, non-political party biased goans who would like to discuss the issue and arrive at an understanding we are always open. -Soter
Re: [Goanet] Goa's so called Freedom fighters special status for Goa
Floriano wrote: Who is 'WE' ?? Kalanand Mani of Peaceful Society Co? Comment: Just supposing it was for argument sake, do you have a problem? -Soter
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Not actually. But it must be remembered that any derailment that will take place of what Goans propose will be credited to the 'prostitutes' from outside who are well ensconced in the psyche of Goans to the extent that they are feeling GOOD. If at all anything should be decided for Goa, it should be by true thoroughbred Goans and who have the Goan blood running in their veins. Just a caution Cheers floriano goasuraj 9890470896 www.goasu-raj.org - Original Message - From: soter To: goa...@goanet.org Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 10:53 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goa's so called Freedom fighters special status for Goa * You chose to allow soter (so...@bsnl.in) even though this message failed authentication Click to disallow | -- Floriano wrote: Who is 'WE' ?? Kalanand Mani of Peaceful Society Co? Comment: Just supposing it was for argument sake, do you have a problem? -Soter
[Goanet] Goa's so called Freedom fighters special status for Goa
Freddy Fernandes wrote : During the Portuguese rule we never had a worry, as law was implemented with uniformity and in earnest, but what we have inherited from India in the last five decades is the corrupt law of the jungle, which has put the very existence of Goans in jeopardy. India’s wealth was plundered by the British, some auctioned and a lot is still decorating the British Monarchy, whereas most of the wealth taken by the Portuguese has been returned back to Goa. The British and their boats are welcome to India anytime but our so called freedom fighters think it’s imprudent for the Portuguese to even cast their shadow over Goa ? Why may I ask Mr. Karmali ? For a true authentic freedom fighter, fight for freedom does not end with a change in political scenario, true freedom is not just victory over imperial colonial rule. True freedom is, freedom from religious fanaticism, bigotry, casts, creeds, oppression, slavery, corruption, violation of our basic human rights and above all our freedom and our right to breathe clean fresh air, drink clean water and eat unadulterated food. Only when we attain these we can say we have attained freedom, if not the fight should still continue. Our so called freedom fighters are become deaf, dumb and blind, they see, hear or speak no evil against their masters, the corrupt government or their uncanny assault on our environment, as long as they get their dole they are not worried about the future of Goa and Goans. It’s only when it comes to the Portuguese names or any interaction with them, that our so called freedom fighter babus seem to get their perfectly pleated dhotis into a twist, they have somehow made themselves immune to the desecration and the decapitation of Goa, and have the audacity to call themselves freedom fighters. In Goa very Tom, Dick and Harry claims to be a freedom fighter. If not for they dole, Oh Goa, I would envy you ! Few days earlier there was a highly published cleansing ceremony by our freedom fighters, in doing so the water of the Arabian sea must have been further polluted, if at all cleansing was need, it should have been done when our beaches were under the attack of the tar balls. It would have indeed been very significant. Comments : Camilo Fernandes Yes the so called freedom fighters are truly deaf, dumb, blind and silent now when Goa is being destroyed. If they and their supporters are really genuine, sincere and love Goa then they should not dwell in the past, instead of protesting and opposing the present corrupt politicians whose only aim is to amass wealth at any costs and destroy Goa. I am sure some of the genuine freedom fighters who may now be old are regretting what they did looking at the sorry state of our beloved beautiful Goa. Many so called freedom fighters are only in name as many of their family members/relations have chosen to opt for Portuguese passports. How can they object to a friendly visit of a ship from Portugal when India and Portugal have diplomatic relationship? All they did was to get some stupid publicity.Rather than burying their head in the earth to all the destruction taking place in Goa they should come out openly protesting against this and not waste their valuable!!! time protesting against trivial matters like changing Portuguse names, visits from Portugal etc. WENZEL D?MELLO, Mapusa has rightly written in the Navhind (given below) that seeking special status for Goa should be the top priority of all Goans to save Goa. The people should demand from the politicians that one of the best ways to save Goa is to seek special staus just as in the hilly states in north east India, and I think Sikkim/Darjeeling where their natural beauty is untouched. Matheran too as far as I know is protected and no development can take place there and even vehicles are banned from entering it to preserve its natural beauty. Camilo Fernandes *Seeking Special Status for Goa *THERE are many issues plaguing Goa. Foremost on the minds of the people is the garbage problem, then the NH widening programme, corruption, the fast depleting natural beauty due to indiscriminate mining, rampant urbanisation, etc etc. In all this, the people of Goa and its politicians seem to have kept the major issue of seeking special status for Goa on the back burner. Like the hilly states In North East India, Goa too needs special status to retain its cultural identity and integrity. Goa is first of all a very small state and large scale migration from other states is changing the demographic identity of Goa rapidly. Besides this, we also have an ecological disaster looming on the horizon. If Goa gets special status, many of these problems will be resolved and we will be able to at least put a stop to some of the problems that we face. We have already attained statehood; we have got Konkani as our official language; so what we need now is special status
Re: [Goanet] Goa's so called Freedom fighters special status for Goa
Forget the Freedom Fighters who are receiving dole. They are reduced to beggars before the government in liberated Goa. Goa can only count on those freedom fighters who have not been lured by the government's dole. They are the true freedom fighters but hardly a few are remaining. As for Special Status for Goa, i personally do not think that Goans know what they are aksing for. Politicians were quick to ask for special economic status. Some industrialists will ask for special industrial status. So Goans must confirm what is meant by 'Special Status' and not blindly jump on the bandwagon only to realise that some vested interests have benefited. It should not turn out like the agitation to demand Konkani as official language and the last hour claim it must be only in the devanagiri script. Those who used Roman script Konkani and who selled the ranks at the agitations were fooled. There are enough vultures around to capitalise on any issue that can give them political mileage and power. -Soter
Re: [Goanet] Goa's so called Freedom fighters special status for Goa
--- On Wed, 12/1/10, soter so...@bsnl.in wrote: As for Special Status for Goa, i personally do not think that Goans know what they are aksing for. Politicians were quick to ask for special economic status. Some industrialists will ask for special industrial status. So Goans must confirm what is meant by 'Special Status' and not blindly jump on the bandwagon only to realise that some vested interests have benefited. Hi Soter Can you (time permitting) state what you believe Special Status should entail. This will give readers an idea, perhaps a blueprint to consider. George
