[Goanet] Goa Sudharop function was not Goanetters Meet
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * ANKA SERVICES For all your Goa-based media needs - Newspapers and Electronic Media Newspaper Adverts, Press Releases, Press Conferences www.ankaservices.com kam...@ankaservices.com Frederick has given extensive coverage to the Goa Sudharop function and surreptitiously referred to it as the "Goanetters/GoaSudharop.org 2009 meet" He further confuses the matter by referring to some of the Goa Sudharop function attendees with the prefix "Goanetter". Someone not in the know would draw from this that the Goanetters meet was a grand sucess and largely attended. >From my understanding the GoaNetters meet was supposed to before the Goa Sudharop function. We have no video recording nor report of how many attended this meet and what was discussed. The 'Goanetters' who attended the Goa Sudharop function were all actually there for the function and just happened to be subscribed to Goanet. Perhaps Frederick could give us a report, as has been the convention, about the Goanetters meet and what was discussed and who exactly attended. Cheers! Cecil == To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" Message-ID: <8ea78e010901071712i55304ec8md6461dcde7665...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >From my Olym5Bpus e510: Photos of the Goanetters/GoaSudharop.org 2009 meet Writer and early Goanetter (now based here!) VM in Goa; Sethu's Dr Nandita de Souza; ex-Sesa's chartered accountant Dinesh Dias; agri expert Miguel Braganza; humour writer Cecil Pinto; early Goanetter (formerly with the World Bank and the Goa Computers in Schools Project) Emmanuel da Silva; architect and campaigner Dean D'Cruz; Peaceful Society's Soter D'Souza; Goa books and more Goa books; Ibonio who steers GoaSudharop.org in Goa; ex-editor (Indian Express, Reader's Digest India) Rahul Singh, son of the 94-year-old ex-editor Khushwant Singh; Percival Noronha, ex-Goa senior bureaucrat who has help build and sustain the friends of astronomy, Goa; very early Goa-based Goanetter TCA Tony Correa Afonso; Canada-returned Manuel Caldeira of Chandor/Moira; retired principal Tony De Sa of Moira, currently working on a book on Goans in Africa; cartoonist Alexyz Fernandes; history writer Fr Nascimento of Santo Estevam; writer Valerie (left), friend, and Melinda Powel-Coutinho; Fr Frederick of Pilar; artist Sylvia Braganza; Cmdr John Eric Gomes; friends from Sweden; participants from Sangath; architect Dean D'Cruz; guess who!; Goanetters from Germany; architect and campaigner Pravin Sabnis; Ana Maria Goswami; Junior George Pinto with books; architect and seranader of MargaoJose Carlos da Viega Gracias; Fatima Pais from Delhi; Edgar from Photo.Montreal and Francis Rodrigues from Toronto... ALL PHOTOS AT: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/
[Goanet] Goa Sudharop function was not Goanetters Meet
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * ANKA SERVICES For all your Goa-based media needs - Newspapers and Electronic Media Newspaper Adverts, Press Releases, Press Conferences www.ankaservices.com kam...@ankaservices.com FN: Hi Cecil, Is your interest here to raise genuine questions or just rake controversy? I don't see such initiatives as a pissing contest, and there's no competition here in fact. We are indeed grateful to George Pinto for encouraging Goanetters to meet alongside the GoaSudharop.org meet. CP: As a regular poster (supporter and advertiser) on GoaNet, resident in Goa, and one who has attended at least the last six GoaNetters meetings I asked a genuine question and Frederick labels it a 'pissing contest'. What contest? Am I competing with Frederick? Why would I want to? Even if he insists on his paranoia showing he should be careful with his language. Pissing contest indeed! - FN: I would like to delude myself into believe Goanetters also added some little value to their function. Melinda has appreciated the videos. But we cannot quantify that before auditors like you. CP: I am not an auditior but a bystander who did not come for the GoaNetters meet and hence would like to know what was discussed and who attended. If a meeting was held at all. Was it? Why the silence? - FN: I really wouldn't know the intentions of the people who came (and what exact part of the function they intended to be present for). But a rough headcount tells me 84% or so people named in the photographs have, at one time or another, been associated with Goanet. And we are prouid of that link. CP: And 100% of those who attended have been into Panjim at one time or another so does that make it a Ponjekars Meet? I am not talking about being proud of any link. Just answer my simple question. How many people attened the GoaNetters Meet that was well advertised, and what exactly was discussed. -- FN: As far as people who didn't show up go, I was very disappointed to learn that Joseph 'Boogie' Viegas was in Goa on Jan 6, planned to make it to the Mandovi's, but didn't make it there. As old-time Goanetters (oops!) would know, Boogie was one of the early tech pioneers of the Net in Goa in the mid-1990s. It was he who sold me my first USR (US Robotics) modem, in times when a 14.4 kbps modem would cost Rs 14K! If someone who knows Boogie reads this, please tell him I was silently cursing him beneath my breath :-) Not for selling me a modem that worked well, but for not turning up! He would recall that we had a cyber-skirmish in those way back days... over organising a Goanetter's meet then! CP: Thanks for the long diversion but it doesn't answer my question. --- FN: Really, I would not place too much emphasis on judging by numbers whether the "Goanetters' meet was a grand success and largely attended." For the record, I myself went for the GoaSudharop.org event, and just was happy to meet other persons whom I know as email IDs and say hi to them. CP: 1) For one who constantly boasts about thousands of GoaNet members, and runs other Goa related discussion groups (where he is not in control) down, I find it strange that numbers are suddenly not important. 2) As a representative of, and often spokesman for, GoaNet Administration, and the only resident in Goa, I find it strange that you try to duck the question. How many attended and what was discussed? Or was this meeting also, like so many internal moderation mechanisms, something the GoaNet subscribers need not be told details about? 3) Regular annual attendees of the GoaNet meet like Vivian D'Souza and Miguel Braganza did not attend. I wonder why? Since Frederick is the singular (strange no?) representative of GoaNet in Goa maybe it could be something to do with his functioning? - FN: Should we be bothered about how many people Goanet attracts for a meeting in Goa? (Average of 20 to 40 in each year ...) CP: If the figure suddenly drops to little or nothing we have to look at the only Admin reresentative in Goa for answers. -- FN: I think we should be concerned about how much networking we manage to do... and how many good causes these ultimately result in inspiring. Without all that backbiting, lastwordism, one-upmanship and one-on-one fights that simply bore everyone else to death in cyberspace apart from building negative social capital. CP: Nobody is denying that GoaNet is a great thing. My only concern is how come a forum with more than 10,000 members cannot get get 10 people together for a GoaNet meeting in Goa. Or is there something wrong with the ap
[Goanet] Goa Sudharop function was not Goanetters Meet
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * ANKA SERVICES For all your Goa-based media needs - Newspapers and Electronic Media Newspaper Adverts, Press Releases, Press Conferences www.ankaservices.com kam...@ankaservices.com FN: Hi Cecil, Is your interest here to raise genuine questions or just rake controversy? I don't see such initiatives as a pissing contest, and there's no competition here in fact. We are indeed grateful to George Pinto for encouraging Goanetters to meet alongside the GoaSudharop.org meet. CP: As a regular poster (supporter and advertiser) on GoaNet, resident in Goa, and one who has attended at least the last six GoaNetters meetings I asked a genuine question and Frederick labels it a 'pissing contest'. What contest? Am I competing with Frederick? Why would I want to? Even if he insists on his paranoia showing he should be careful with his language. Pissing contest indeed! - FN: I would like to delude myself into believe Goanetters also added some little value to their function. Melinda has appreciated the videos. But we cannot quantify that before auditors like you. CP: I am not an auditior but a bystander who did not come for the GoaNetters meet and hence would like to know what was discussed and who attended. If a meeting was held at all. Was it? Why the silence? - FN: I really wouldn't know the intentions of the people who came (and what exact part of the function they intended to be present for). But a rough headcount tells me 84% or so people named in the photographs have, at one time or another, been associated with Goanet. And we are prouid of that link. CP: And 100% of those who attended have been into Panjim at one time or another so does that make it a Ponjekars Meet? I am not talking about being proud of any link. Just answer my simple question. How many people attened the GoaNetters Meet that was well advertised, and what exactly was discussed. -- FN: As far as people who didn't show up go, I was very disappointed to learn that Joseph 'Boogie' Viegas was in Goa on Jan 6, planned to make it to the Mandovi's, but didn't make it there. As old-time Goanetters (oops!) would know, Boogie was one of the early tech pioneers of the Net in Goa in the mid-1990s. It was he who sold me my first USR (US Robotics) modem, in times when a 14.4 kbps modem would cost Rs 14K! If someone who knows Boogie reads this, please tell him I was silently cursing him beneath my breath :-) Not for selling me a modem that worked well, but for not turning up! He would recall that we had a cyber-skirmish in those way back days... over organising a Goanetter's meet then! CP: Thanks for the long diversion but it doesn't answer my question. --- FN: Really, I would not place too much emphasis on judging by numbers whether the "Goanetters' meet was a grand success and largely attended." For the record, I myself went for the GoaSudharop.org event, and just was happy to meet other persons whom I know as email IDs and say hi to them. CP: 1) For one who constantly boasts about thousands of GoaNet members, and runs other Goa related discussion groups (where he is not in control) down, I find it strange that numbers are suddenly not important. 2) As a representative of, and often spokesman for, GoaNet Administration, and the only resident in Goa, I find it strange that you try to duck the question. How many attended and what was discussed? Or was this meeting also, like so many internal moderation mechanisms, something the GoaNet subscribers need not be told details about? 3) Regular annual attendees of the GoaNet meet like Vivian D'Souza and Miguel Braganza did not attend. I wonder why? Since Frederick is the singular (strange no?) representative of GoaNet in Goa maybe it could be something to do with his functioning? - FN: Should we be bothered about how many people Goanet attracts for a meeting in Goa? (Average of 20 to 40 in each year ...) CP: If the figure suddenly drops to little or nothing we have to look at the only Admin reresentative in Goa for answers. -- FN: I think we should be concerned about how much networking we manage to do... and how many good causes these ultimately result in inspiring. Without all that backbiting, lastwordism, one-upmanship and one-on-one fights that simply bore everyone else to death in cyberspace apart from building negative social capital. CP: Nobody is denying that GoaNet is a great thing. My only concern is how come a forum with more than 10,000 members cannot get get 10 people together for a GoaNet meeting in Goa. Or is there something wrong with the ap
Re: [Goanet] Goa Sudharop function was not Goanetters Meet
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * ANKA SERVICES For all your Goa-based media needs - Newspapers and Electronic Media Newspaper Adverts, Press Releases, Press Conferences www.ankaservices.com kam...@ankaservices.com 2009/1/8 Cecil Pinto > Frederick has given extensive coverage to the Goa Sudharop > function and surreptitiously referred to it as the > "Goanetters/GoaSudharop.org > 2009 meet" > He further confuses the matter by referring to some of the Goa > Sudharop function attendees with the prefix "Goanetter". > Someone not in the know would draw from this that the > Goanetters meet was a grand sucess and largely attended. Hi Cecil, Is your interest here to raise genuine questions or just rake controversy? I don't see such initiatives as a pissing contest, and there's no competition here in fact. We are indeed grateful to George Pinto for encouraging Goanetters to meet alongside the GoaSudharop.org meet. I would like to delude myself into believe Goanetters also added some little value to their function. Melinda has appreciated the videos. But we cannot quantify that before auditors like you. I really wouldn't know the intentions of the people who came (and what exact part of the function they intended to be present for). But a rough headcount tells me 84% or so people named in the photographs have, at one time or another, been associated with Goanet. And we are prouid of that link. As far as people who didn't show up go, I was very disappointed to learn that Joseph 'Boogie' Viegas was in Goa on Jan 6, planned to make it to the Mandovi's, but didn't make it there. As old-time Goanetters (oops!) would know, Boogie was one of the early tech pioneers of the Net in Goa in the mid-1990s. It was he who sold me my first USR (US Robotics) modem, in times when a 14.4 kbps modem would cost Rs 14K! If someone who knows Boogie reads this, please tell him I was silently cursing him beneath my breath :-) Not for selling me a modem that worked well, but for not turning up! He would recall that we had a cyber-skirmish in those way back days... over organising a Goanetter's meet then! Really, I would not place too much emphasis on judging by numbers whether the "Goanetters' meet was a grand success and largely attended." For the record, I myself went for the GoaSudharop.org event, and just was happy to meet other persons whom I know as email IDs and say hi to them. Should we be bothered about how many people Goanet attracts for a meeting in Goa? (Average of 20 to 40 in each year ...) I think we should be concerned about how much networking we manage to do... and how many good causes these ultimately result in inspiring. Without all that backbiting, lastwordism, one-upmanship and one-on-one fights that simply bore everyone else to death in cyberspace apart from building negative social capital. FN PS: You would not be wrong to call this a non-meet. The main agenda was saying hi to each other. As far as I could see, that was effectively achieved. Some of those present bought a few copies of reasonably-priced Goa-related books. Goanetter Francis Rodrigues' book-to-be got showcased (and videotaped, courtesy, hold your breath, Goanet/GoaSudharop!). It was a pleasure to see someone like ex-editor Rahul Singh and his friends take all the trouble to come in all the way from Colva. (As someone, I think it was ed...@photo.montreal, pointed out, his dad Khushwant has long held a special place in his heart for Goa too... with his writings in the Illustrated Weekly of India in the 1960s and 1970s... I forget when exactly his dad was editor there.) Some of us (me specially) gobbled the sweets Cipriano 'Cyp' Fernandes brought in from the three-kings ruled Cansaulim. I also tried to do some serious introducing. One didn't keep track of number of the persons attending... it could have been 2, 12 or 22 ... nor did one specifically enquire about the reason why they came there. But it was a nice event; thanks George for allowing us to ride piggy-back on your occasions without having the hassles of bothering to organising! And thanks Cecil for reminding us that, "The 'Goanetters' who attended the Goa Sudharop function were all actually there for the function and just happened to be subscribed to Goanet." Even if this was true, it was a pleasure to meet up with everyone. Even you :-) -- FN * Independent Journalist http://fn.goa-india.org M: +91-9822122436 P: +91-832-2409490
