Re: [Goanet] Goa Suraj and South Goa Parlimentary Polls
Hi Mr. Cedric, Your post reflects echoes the views of many Goans; be they resident here, somewhere in India, or abroad. I am no member of any party, but I fully endorse what Mr. Floriano Lobo has said on the need for party funds. I definitely do not think that greater monetary power with a party is going to ensure the well being of society, I will not elaborate as Mr. Lobo as summed it up in the best possible way. Writing letters is excellent. And I have nothing to say about you speaking from Dubai, many of us have compulsions that force us to go elsewhere. Letters present interesting viewpoints that might not always strike all our minds. (but I have to mention that I did not like the tone/content of your criticism of the Goa Suraj Party). A social revolution in Goa atleast, will not come overnight. But the attempts need to be ongoing. Education is a strong means. Participation of youth at the panchayat level, gram sabhas, greater awareness toward govt policy etc needs to be undertaken by the youth. I think we can expect change in that way. As far as the issue of votes is concerned, well, blame the large Goan faithful. But I believe very strongly this will change one day, because (even though in a small way), there are groups that are working towards bringing change. best, Joseph de Melo Message: 2 Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 09:54:01 -0700 (PDT) From: cedrico dacosta [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] Goa Suraj and South Goa Parlimentary Polls To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dear Rolando, All i can say to you is wait and watch...other than that i cannot divulge any more details at the moment. Cedric da Costa Dubai Dear Floriano, Firstly, although being away from Goa, I will be well versed on many a ground realities happening in Goa than many a sussegad Goenkar based in Goa...that credit i will give myself. If you have been reading my posts on Goanet, 'Uncensored' in Goan Observer and Herald (of course they banned me when i put an open letter against Digamber Kamat, titled...Margao's Suffocating Judas, that highlighted Margao's ailing plight and the rampant migration problem that Margao facesmy thoughts were right but somehow, people in power dont like highlighting the ills of their constituency). Why would I waste my precious time to highlight Goan issues, being comfortably based in the Gulf? the answer is simple -- having born and bred in a Goa of yesteryears...my heart will always be with my motherland...one day I will come back to it...but unfortunately it lies in shambles today -- thanks to the politicians of today. Although i think you should do a rethink and try and organise funds for your party cause without which in the current political ringto win...is like...wishful thinking even in the next twenty years if your party lasts that long with the current think-tank. The ground reality is many regional parties die a natural or slow death all over the world due to paucity of funds and that is a given fact, although some of them have better agenda's than most of the big parties put together...we are in the era where no matter what, money has to flow to win an election, specially when we are competing against huge money bags and regional parties. If money was not a criteria, why would the elected representatives let out a reign of loot and plunder, ofcourse part of it spent on getting themselves re-elected. But anyways, as a fellow Goan I passionately and wholeheartedly subscribe to your thought to cleanse Goa of all that it is going through. Imagine we are suffering so much due to rampant corruption abetted by the politicians...imagine again the state of Goa that our children will inherit. Just a small thought i would like to share...on filing his nomination see what issues Francisco Sardinha a senior politician said...instead of trying to improve infrastructure or say trying to support the next big industry -- tourism...his comments smacked so much immaturity...so one can imagine...what lies ahead... None of the current MLA's or Ministers nor even the Aam AAdmi chanting CM have the future of Goa in their mindall they think of is live for, or survive for the day...arn't they? Goans should be trained in the art of grabbing all the monies and freebees that the national parties give them, but while voting elect honest people like say your party would put up. But with the huge migrant vote...once again money plays a huge part. At the last election, I personally waited for one of his opponents (you included) to destroynot defeat... but destroy a narkasur like Dayanand Narvenkar...but what happened is what we all saw...but maybe in the years to come...Good luck there! Wish you luck maite and your organisation...May Goemcho Saib, bless it! Regards Cedric da Costa Dubai
Re: [Goanet] Goa Suraj and south Goa parlimentary polls
Cederico, You have told us everything the Goa Suraj party shouldn't do and how it will never meet with success. You have told us how Francisco Colaco will not even get the Margao Bamon votes and how Monster Rat will get voted in wherever and on whatever party platform he stands. We Goans always easily tend to tell what can go wrong but have no answers on how to do it right. Having noted your: And its very easy to do post mortemswhat Goa needs is an urgent cure cause it is ailing, Please tell us what urgent cure YOU have in mind from your base in Dubai. Roland. On 10/15/07, cedrico dacosta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Floriano, Dr Francisco Colaco? he he...this is the problem with small time upcoming parties like yours..you'll falter in the very first stepDr Colaco will not even get enough votes from the bamons in margao to secure his deposits, so the first sin you would have committed is to make the huge mistake of your selection of candidate. thanks heavens better sense prevailed. As for houses like UGDP..they have lost their voter base in the south, hence only Babush at Taleigao, definately not on the party banner could win the elections as the lone UGDP babu. for the records, babush could be elected on any ticket and even as an independent. The people of margao know the types of anacleto and radharao as people who flow as the wind blows and hence, the bigger national parties have been able to kick them aside and see that regional parties like that never ook strong root. I am sorry the pace at which your party is goingeither you will be left out or the suraj might never rise... And its very easy to do post mortemswhat Goa needs is an urgent cure cause it is ailing I wish you well in your campaign to cleanse goa, but i guess its time you change your pace of agression and also the approach. Regds Cedric da costa Dubai-uae
Re: [Goanet] Goa Suraj and south Goa parlimentary polls
Pace of aggression??? Did I hear right?? Oh Cedrico, I am not sure if you are aware of Goa's ground realities yet. Political aggression is directly proportional to how much money is extorted from every source plus more and spent on the promotion of the Party. In order words people want to belong to a party if they are well looked after. You know what I mean. And Goa Su-Raj is built not to do just that. Otherwise Goa would have one more party and that would not make a difference. However, I must confide in you that Su-Raj is not bothered whether it will RISE at all. But I must reassure you that it will maintain its static position, if need be, but it will never SET. Moreover, the job of making it rise is left to the people of Goa. Or else they can go hunting elsewhere, Maybe in Taleigao, Betalbatim, Varca etc. BTW the right type of aggression was initiated by GBA. But it went to sleep putting cold water on people's expectations. I'll tell you a small story why Goa Su-Raj will not rise on its own and why people should fly it like a kite up in the sky. One of our executive members came to me once and said. Floriano, we need money yaar. If we have money we can do a lot of things. So I push a paper and pen to him. What is this? he says. write down what you want to do I say. Write? he says. You are mad. With money we can do a thousand things to promote the party. Well Mr. I say. At the starting of the Party ,you had said that you will bring in 1000 life members. 1000 x 300 would be 30 (3 lacs). That is a lot of money. So far you have not brough in a single life member, remember? Then I told him what would happen if there was a lot of money with the Party. You would come one day and say Floriano, I need to pay my mortgage tomorrow. I will return the sum in a month's time. That you don't want to break your fixed deposit for nothing. If I say no, you will go about telling every one that Floriano wants to eat all the money. If I give you, you will not only not return it but when asked for it, we will stop coming to the party office. No Sir. Again, If I give you, I will also be tempted to use some myself. And sooner than later, all the money will be gone and the 1000 things will be lying dried up like dried fish. You write what you want to do with that money and that money shall be raised. Until such financing does not come, we shall not do the thing. In fact we have lost this particular executive member from that day onward. Sorry tale, isn't it? Cedrico??? And you were asking if at all Su-Raj will rise? B/rgds floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: cedrico dacosta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 5:09 PM Subject: [Goanet] Goa Suraj and south Goa parlimentary polls Dear Floriano, Dr Francisco Colaco? he he...this is the problem with small time upcoming parties like yours..you'll falter in the very first stepDr Colaco will not even get enough votes from the bamons in margao to secure his deposits, so the first sin you would have committed is to make the huge mistake of your selection of candidate. thanks heavens better sense prevailed. As for houses like UGDP..they have lost their voter base in the south, hence only Babush at Taleigao, definately not on the party banner could win the elections as the lone UGDP babu. for the records, babush could be elected on any ticket and even as an independent. The people of margao know the types of anacleto and radharao as people who flow as the wind blows and hence, the bigger national parties have been able to kick them aside and see that regional parties like that never ook strong root. I am sorry the pace at which your party is goingeither you will be left out or the suraj might never rise... And its very easy to do post mortemswhat Goa needs is an urgent cure cause it is ailing I wish you well in your campaign to cleanse goa, but i guess its time you change your pace of agression and also the approach. Regds Cedric da costa Dubai-uae **
[Goanet] Goa Suraj and South Goa Parlimentary Polls
Dear Rolando, All i can say to you is wait and watch...other than that i cannot divulge any more details at the moment. Cedric da Costa Dubai Dear Floriano, Firstly, although being away from Goa, I will be well versed on many a ground realities happening in Goa than many a sussegad Goenkar based in Goa...that credit i will give myself. If you have been reading my posts on Goanet, 'Uncensored' in Goan Observer and Herald (of course they banned me when i put an open letter against Digamber Kamat, titled...Margao's Suffocating Judas, that highlighted Margao's ailing plight and the rampant migration problem that Margao facesmy thoughts were right but somehow, people in power dont like highlighting the ills of their constituency). Why would I waste my precious time to highlight Goan issues, being comfortably based in the Gulf? the answer is simple -- having born and bred in a Goa of yesteryears...my heart will always be with my motherland...one day I will come back to it...but unfortunately it lies in shambles today -- thanks to the politicians of today. Although i think you should do a rethink and try and organise funds for your party cause without which in the current political ringto win...is like...wishful thinking even in the next twenty years if your party lasts that long with the current think-tank. The ground reality is many regional parties die a natural or slow death all over the world due to paucity of funds and that is a given fact, although some of them have better agenda's than most of the big parties put together...we are in the era where no matter what, money has to flow to win an election, specially when we are competing against huge money bags and regional parties. If money was not a criteria, why would the elected representatives let out a reign of loot and plunder, ofcourse part of it spent on getting themselves re-elected. But anyways, as a fellow Goan I passionately and wholeheartedly subscribe to your thought to cleanse Goa of all that it is going through. Imagine we are suffering so much due to rampant corruption abetted by the politicians...imagine again the state of Goa that our children will inherit. Just a small thought i would like to share...on filing his nomination see what issues Francisco Sardinha a senior politician said...instead of trying to improve infrastructure or say trying to support the next big industry -- tourism...his comments smacked so much immaturity...so one can imagine...what lies ahead... None of the current MLA's or Ministers nor even the Aam AAdmi chanting CM have the future of Goa in their mindall they think of is live for, or survive for the day...arn't they? Goans should be trained in the art of grabbing all the monies and freebees that the national parties give them, but while voting elect honest people like say your party would put up. But with the huge migrant vote...once again money plays a huge part. At the last election, I personally waited for one of his opponents (you included) to destroynot defeat... but destroy a narkasur like Dayanand Narvenkar...but what happened is what we all saw...but maybe in the years to come...Good luck there! Wish you luck maite and your organisation...May Goemcho Saib, bless it! Regards Cedric da Costa Dubai Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC
[Goanet] Goa Suraj and south Goa parlimentary polls
Dear Floriano, Dr Francisco Colaco? he he...this is the problem with small time upcoming parties like yours..you'll falter in the very first stepDr Colaco will not even get enough votes from the bamons in margao to secure his deposits, so the first sin you would have committed is to make the huge mistake of your selection of candidate. thanks heavens better sense prevailed. As for houses like UGDP..they have lost their voter base in the south, hence only Babush at Taleigao, definately not on the party banner could win the elections as the lone UGDP babu. for the records, babush could be elected on any ticket and even as an independent. The people of margao know the types of anacleto and radharao as people who flow as the wind blows and hence, the bigger national parties have been able to kick them aside and see that regional parties like that never ook strong root. I am sorry the pace at which your party is goingeither you will be left out or the suraj might never rise... And its very easy to do post mortemswhat Goa needs is an urgent cure cause it is ailing I wish you well in your campaign to cleanse goa, but i guess its time you change your pace of agression and also the approach. Regds Cedric da costa Dubai-uae ** Check out the hottest 2008 models today at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html
