Re: [Goanet] HOW MANY AND WHO ARE THE UNINSURED IN THE US Misrepresentations of the views of others
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Apartment for sale in Campal/Miramar area, Panaji, Goa. Spacious 3 bedroom flat (3BHK)available for sale in upscale area near Miramar beach Contact: goaengineer...@aol.com Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 19:34:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Mervyn Lobo mervynal...@yahoo.ca I like your input because it has the numbers that back up the facts. Mario responds: The REAL facts are that there is a vast difference between the 47 million people who don't have health insurance at any given point in time and the 15 million or so who cannot get insurance because of no fault of their own. These are the Americans who are hard core uninsurables who need help and should get it as was outlined in: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-August/181657.html Mervyn wrote: Lastly, US residents who do not have medical insurance are in that situation because they CANNOT obtain the insurance. In contrast, every person in Ontario gets free health coverage when they arrive. This is regardless of whether they have contributed to the tax system or not. Mario responds: Here is what these residents in Ontario get, for free: http://www.news-medical.net/news/2005/10/24/13988.aspx Here is what is REALLY happening across Canada: http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5jbjzPEY0Y3bvRD335rGu_Z3KXoQw This is what Dr. Ann Doig, the incoming president of the Canadian Medical Association, had to say, We all agree that the system is imploding, we all agree that things are more precarious than perhaps Canadians realize, The Goan Canadians who have posted gushing/angry/defensive posts recently about the Canadian health care system sound like the Canadians Dr. Doig is referring to when she says, ...things are more precarious than perhaps Canadians realize. Goanetters should remember these reports when they see suggestions that the American system, which has enough problems of its own, albeit solvable problems of insurance coverage for 5% of its citizens, needs to copy the struggling Canadian system where things are precarious. While the Canadian government-run system obviously helps many people much of the time, especially when they are well, if they get a serious illness needing sophisticated tests and procedures they end up on waiting lists controlled by government bureaucrats because their system does not have adequate capabilities to treat everyone immediately. These inadequate capabilities is one major reason why their system costs less. In return for the lower cost they get rationed care. On the other hand, every resident in the expensive US system has access to emergency medical treatments at no cost, WITH NO WAITING LISTS, even if they cannot afford to pay or have no health insurance. However a better solution must be worked out for the 15 million or so uninsurables. Helping those who cannot help themselves is a legitimate and good use of the fruits of capitalism and the free market system. My preference would be for a free market private industry solution with tax incentives to handle the additional financial risk but avoid the inefficiencies inherent in any government run system.
Re: [Goanet] HOW MANY AND WHO ARE THE UNINSURED IN THE US Misrepresentations of the views of others
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Apartment for sale in Campal/Miramar area, Panaji, Goa. Spacious 3 bedroom flat (3BHK)available for sale in upscale area near Miramar beach Contact: goaengineer...@aol.com Mervyn Lobo: Yes, as you may have seen/read, the Health Care Reform Bill has become loudly Palin'ized with non-sense and untruths about federal funded abortions, euthanasia and extending coverage to illegal immigrants. HR3200 makes no such provisions, you see. One hopes that sometime in the future the What's in it for me? will change to What is the fairest way to ensure that all of us have our basic health care needs met? 60 million Americans are projected to be uninsured by 2011. I. Nunes --- On Sun, 8/16/09, Mervyn Lobo mervynal...@yahoo.ca wrote: From: Mervyn Lobo mervynal...@yahoo.ca Subject: Re: [Goanet] HOW MANY AND WHO ARE THE UNINSURED IN THE US Misrepresentations of the views of others To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Date: Sunday, August 16, 2009, 7:34 PM - BOOK RELEASE: Medieval Goa by Teotonio R. de Souza Will be re-released after 30 years on August 21, 2009 at 5:15pm at Goa Chambers of Commerce and Industry Hall, near Azad Maidan in Panjim, Goa http://medieval-goa.notlong.com - lyrawmn wrote: The information in M. Goveia post is severely at variance with what has been published. I. Nunes, Our Mario Goveia acknowledges that he is a 'lone voice. His input here, has all the value loners have. Secondly, I like your input because it has the numbers that back up the facts. Lastly, US residents who do not have medical insurance are in that situation because they CANNOT obtain the insurance. In contrast, every person in Ontario gets free health coverage when they arrive. This is regardless of whether they have contributed to the tax system or not. Canada is a wealthy country. The US is borrowing and printing money in order to run basic govt services. Mervyn1650Lobo __ The new Internet Explorer® 8 - Faster, safer, easier. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/
Re: [Goanet] HOW MANY AND WHO ARE THE UNINSURED IN THE US Misrepresentations of the views of others
- BOOK RELEASE: Medieval Goa by Teotonio R. de Souza Will be re-released after 30 years on August 21, 2009 at 5:15pm at Goa Chambers of Commerce and Industry Hall, near Azad Maidan in Panjim, Goa http://medieval-goa.notlong.com - lyrawmn wrote: The information in M. Goveia post is severely at variance with what has been published. I. Nunes, Our Mario Goveia acknowledges that he is a 'lone voice. His input here, has all the value loners have. Secondly, I like your input because it has the numbers that back up the facts. Lastly, US residents who do not have medical insurance are in that situation because they CANNOT obtain the insurance. In contrast, every person in Ontario gets free health coverage when they arrive. This is regardless of whether they have contributed to the tax system or not. Canada is a wealthy country. The US is borrowing and printing money in order to run basic govt services. Mervyn1650Lobo __ The new Internet Explorer® 8 - Faster, safer, easier. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/
Re: [Goanet] HOW MANY AND WHO ARE THE UNINSURED IN THE US Misrepresentations of the views of others
- Goanetter Francis Rodrigues (Vasco/Toronto) book launch in London, England @ the World Goa Day festivities on 15 Aug at 7pm Details http://www.konkanisongbook.com - Hello Goanet, There is confusion on the numbers, and characteristics of the uninsured (health) in the US. The information in M. Goveia post is severely at variance with what has been published. I offer two unbiased, non-partisan, sources to help you make up your mind. 1. The National Coalition on Health Care, ( The National Coalition on Health Care is the nation's largest and most broadly representative alliance working to improve America's health care.) and 2. Factcheck.org, a project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania. (APPC has been the premier communication policy center in the country since its founding in 1993.). 1. Here is an excerpt from the NCHC: Facts on the Cost of Health Insurance Coverage How Many Americans Are Uninsured? · Several studies estimate the number of uninsured Americans. According to the U.S. Census Bureau, nearly 46 million Americans, or 18 percent of the population under the age of 65, were without health insurance in 2007, their latest data available.1 · The Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality, using the Medical Expenditure Panel Survey (MEPS) estimated that the percentage of uninsured Americans under age 65 represented 27 percent of the population. According to the MEPS data, nearly 54 million Americans under the age of 65 were uninsured in the first-half of 2007. 2 · A recent study shows that based on the effects of the recession alone (not job loss), it is projected that nearly seven (7) million Americans will lose their health insurance coverage between 2008 and 2010. 3 Urban Institute researchers estimate that if unemployment reaches 10 percent, another six (6) million Americans will lose their health insurance coverage. Taking these numbers together, it is conceivable that by next year, 57 to 60 million Americans will be uninsured. · The Urban Institute estimates that under a worse case scenario, 66 million Americans will be uninsured by 2019. 4 · Nearly 90 million people – about one-third of the population below the age of 65 spent a portion of either 2007 or 2008 without health coverage.5 . Who Are the Uninsured? · The large majority of the uninsured (85 percent) are native or naturalized citizens.6 · Nearly 1.3 million full-time workers lost their health insurance in 2006. 1 · Over 8 in 10 uninsured people come from working families – almost 70 percent from families with one or 7 · The percentage and the number of uninsured Hispanics increased to 32.1 percent and overall to 15 million in 2007.1 .. Read more at: http://www.nchc.org/facts/coverage.shtml 2. Factcheck.org offers their analysis, and also rebuts statements of M. Goveia. Read: “ The ‘Real’ Uninsured Some critics say fewer people lack access to health coverage than official statistics make it appear. We break down the numbers. June 24, 2009 “ http://www.factcheck.org/2009/06/the-real-uninsured/ It is my opinion that NCHC and Factcheck.org figures at best, underestimate the number of uninsured in the USA. I. Nunes --- On Thu, 8/13/09, Mario Goveia mgov...@sbcglobal.net wrote: From: Mario Goveia mgov...@sbcglobal.net Subject: [Goanet] Misrepresentations of the views of others To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Date: Thursday, August 13, 2009, 2:13 PM - Goanetter Francis Rodrigues (Vasco/Toronto) book launch in London, England @ the World Goa Day festivities on 15 Aug at 7pm Details http://www.konkanisongbook.com - From: Mario Goveia [Quote below has been deliberately truncated to change its meaning] In the meantime, life in the US is terrible and racist. Millions are not covered by health insurance. Millions are dying in the streets writhing in pain while others pass them by without compassion. The life expectancy is plummeting. Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 20:29:32 -0700 (PDT) From: marlon menezes goa...@yahoo.com I am quite surprised that Mario would change in views of the US in such a short time. It does not make sense for such drastic changes to take place in a matter of just 7 months of the Obama presidency.. but then again, this is the same Mario who has in the past advocated the claim of Global Cooling, or more recently claimed that the Pope supports socialism or that the late John Paul sympathized with 911 attackers because of his opposition to the Iraq war. Mario responds: This is pretty amazing. I wonder if Marlon is having comprehension issues. To begin with, anyone who follows Goanet would know
