Re: [Goanet] Help a fellow Goan.....
Dear Filo & George, Warm thanks, Filo, for understanding my viewpoint and explaining yours. I am well aware that you & George have worked hard to elevate Fr Vaz to sainthood - whatever that means in the Euro scheme of things. You both went all the way to the Vatican to plead with the pompous white clerics to promote Vaz's cause but didn't get far enough. For the white guys in authority want first & foremost to assert their authority; the notion of humility & accommodation is alien to them. Did they care to learn Vaz's history, appreciate his toils in the colonial context & the Hindu-Buddhist culture of the region? File & George were regarded as mere supplicants and brown ones at that. I'd like to comment here with fundamentals. Does the notion of sainthood have any intrinsic meaning? The holy white guys of Europe decided at some point that those individual Catholics who have in their adult life conformed to the rules of 'holiness' laid down by certain whites in authority need to be formally recognised as Saints. And a certain legal process was set up to this end. Curiously, the guys deciding on the merits of a candidate need not be themselves saints. They claimed that a heavenly fellow called the Holy Ghost guides them in their deliberations. Brown persons were reluctantly accepted as candidates for sainthood but they must be subject to the rules of the holy white guys in Rome. So, Filo & George, Vaz was finally allowed to be a Saint by the Vatican. So what has he since done to make his presence felt and to help his Goan followers? Nothing, it seems. Where can he be contacted? And what's the point of promoting him to Patron Saint - a title invented by the holy whites of Rome? Is there an assurance that he will be more helpful as Patron? Let's be honest: how many Catholics believe in & bother with saints? Indeed, how many care for this ritual called the Mass? The Whites tell us that Christ instituted the Mass. Did he? It's far from clear. And in any case, how has Mass helped? Are Catholics likely to get more holy as a result of Mass attendance?? Then there is this thing called Eucharist or Communion. They are receiving the body & blood of Christ. They should be transformed. Seems more like a Vampire ritual. The priests & Bishops are supposed to celebrate Mass daily & receive the Eucharist. So what is the record of their behaviour? Many have succumbed to sex abuse. Ex-cardinal Theodore McCarrick: He becomes the first U.S. cardinal and only the second U.S. bishop to be criminally charged with child sexual abuse. In addition to his alleged abuse of seminarians and priests, the ex-cardinal is accused of sexually abusing at least 13 children. See our detailed summary of the McCarrick case below. === As of July 2021, BishopAccountability.org has identified 86 Catholic bishops worldwide accused publicly of sexual crimes against children and 42 Catholic bishops worldwide who have been accused publicly of sexual wrongdoing against adults only. The names of those accused of abusing minors are marked in red; those with names in black are accused of sexual abuse/sexual misconduct with individuals age 18 or older only. Filo in her email commented: "Where are the "Browns and Blacks" like Eddie? Do they raise money, send Petitions and sign Petitions, and support prizes and competitions as paths to recognition and for preservation of the memory of those who gave extraordinary service for mankind? Why don't they make Saints and Patron Saints, give Nobel Prizes and Pulitzer Prizes, have the Olympics, and other honors and competitions?" Please, Filo, forget about Saints, petitions and such. I'd like to suggest that you CONSIDER AN EDITORIAL JOB AT NCR, the premier Catholic weekly in the US and run by lily white Editors. I had asked the Chief Editor Heidi Schlumpf to recruit some Brown or Black. She did vaguely said she would but nothing happened. And I have tweeted a number of times. I'd like to take my suggestion further. I will write to NCR and ask them them that you are a well qualified candidate who has done doctoral studies including Theology. Please agree to consider the position. Thereafter, I'll write to NCR . Eddie -- Original Message -- From: "Filomena Giese" REPLY from Filomena Giese This post by Eddie is understandable. We are all against the injustices and cruelties of colonial conquest to gain territories and impose white superiority over native peoples, AKA "Browns and Whites" in Eddie's post. 1.But his objections to George and me trying to gain a high honor for one of us from the white order that reigns over the world, sounds a bit hollow from a Brown who left his native land where he should have stayed to better serve the interests of his own Brown people, instead of migrating to the capital of imperialism to fully enjoy the
Re: [Goanet] Help A Fellow Goan (Giese)
To me as a Rationalist and Godless Goan the two sides of the José Vaz argument should be irrelevant. I agree with both sides. That the contribution of Browns and Blacks to the Catholic Church have been totally ignored even in this age when the whites are outnumbered but not outgunned in Church affairs. On the other hand I support the efforts of Filomena, her sister, George and the countless nameless people who have made the Catholic Church acknowledge that there were many of the other colour who though have sacrificed much, have been acknowledged little, except in the hearts of their own faithful. When George posted, without a second thought I rushed to add my name to the petition. With Filomena’s post I am glad I did. She told my thinking side it was not about victimhood of which I have seen a lot in North America, but about doing something about it. Roland. Toronto
Re: [Goanet] Help a fellow Goan.....
Re: Message: 4 Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2021 18:54:16 +0100 (BST) From: Eddie D'Sa To: GOANET , REPLY from Filomena Giese To: GOANET ; George Pinto ; Adolfo Mascarenhas Sent: Sunday, August 8, 2021, 10:54:17 AM PDT Subject: Re: Help a fellow Goan ... George wrote: Help a fellow Goan, Saint Joseph Vaz, become the "Patron Saint of First Responders" during this pandemic and Covid crisis. If you already signed the petition, thank you. If you have not, only 15 seconds of your time can help a fellow Goan. Please sign the petition to Pope Francis at this link https://josephnaikvaz.org/ (the petition is half-way down the page). Your signature to our Petition - and your help in collecting signatures today by forwarding to others and posting on social media - can make the difference as to whether or not Saint Vaz is made Patron Saint. We have petitioned Pope Francis, asking that St. Joseph Vaz be made "Patron Saint of First Responders" because of his care of the abandoned victims of the smallpox epidemic in seventeenth century. I notice that Adolfo endorses your petition. I am afraid I don't. This is 2021 and we (the Browns and Blacks) are still begging the (Holy) Whites for favours. And what pathetic favours! "Making Vaz Patron Saint of First Responders." Who has cooked up this title? Hardly a Goan, I guess. Must be some Holy White guy. We Goans still seem helpless to move forward without approval from the Whites - even in the spiritual realm. George & Adolf - let's drop our self-imposed inferiority . I say again - it is 2021. Why are Goans still cowering before the Whites? They have become used to our subservience over the ages and expect the same attitude. Take this Pope Francis fellow.. He claims to come from Argentina. He is merely an Italian who (or his ancestors) migrated to that region of South America for better prospects. And what did these Euro migrants do when they encountered the Natives (Indians they called them): They systematically slaughtered them, children and all - this is all recorded by scientist Charles Darwin who was travelling in the region at the time. Pope Francis should publicly tell us about the origins of Argentina and apologise but will he? These holy White s rarely do. For that matter, the US Anglos slaughtered some 50 million of the US Natives and then grabbed the entire land & turned it into Europe 2. Please read the book "The New Age of Empire" by Prof K Andrews (2021) to learn more. In Australia, the Anglos did the same thing: slaughtered the Natives and grabbed the whole continent. The Whites have always been driven by Greed and Racism. - May I move on to the main Catholic periodicals of the West? They are the National Catholic Reporter, a US weekly and the Tablet, UK weekly. I have been in touch with both and over the years I noticed that the Editorial Boards of both periodicals are entirely WHITE. For both, Catholic means white and mostly IRISH. I have requested the Editors to recognise black and brown Catholics and appoint non-white editors but they won't even respond !! The Tablet even calls itself an "International Catholic Weekly" - there is little international news in the weekly and I pointed this out but they are not moved and won't answer. And there is our George Pinto begging the Holy Whites in Rome to make our Fr Vaz a Patron Saint!! == In conclusion, I 'd like to propose that GoaNet be re-structured into two Parts: Goa-based items (with the traditional nostalgic/historical Section) and a Section on items of interest to overseas Goans. Eddie D'Sa
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Adolfo, good to hear from you and thank you for your email. Please continue to get people to sign the petition below. Goans should support a fellow Goan, in this case one of the most extraordinary saints in the universal church, We have to try and get Saint Vaz his just due as Patron Saint. Thank you for your help. Best regards,George On Sunday, August 8, 2021, 03:00:20 AM PDT, Adolfo Mascarenhas wrote: George Thankyou for your Message I went tothe site. Unfortunately 16 minutes later, I found that there were two problems. The site wasconfusing me with my son and I could not get out of Maple Street MA. Yes ourGoan friend needs help in tthis day and age of the Pandemic Pox 21 and all the shamelesswars going on in the name of Religion. Iwill ask my Goan and other friends here in Tanzania to participate I will also read the article which appeared inthe earlier part of the year Thank you… George In Issue 410 . Message: 4 Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2021 18:17:57 + (UTC) which I received a few minutes ago to help a fellow Goan Message-ID: <1619007659.650166.1628360277...@mail.yahoo.com> Gosh you really frightened me for a few moments ...I was thinking of a poor decrepit fellow who needed AA to assist. You George have a sense of humour you were referring to St Joseph Vaz . Yes he should be the Patron Saint of hFirst Responders. Its critical ...First Responders can be health workers of all status, policemen and religious people I am in full support I admire St.Joseph Vaz, because of my professional interest in famines, disease .I am surprised that at one time when I was at St Joseph Vaz birthplace, a young Goan couple mistook me for a Priest (because of my white beard) and came for my blessing I did but I wonder what I would have done if they decided that I should hear their confession. God Bless Grandolfo In Makongo Juu --- Help a fellow Goan, Saint Joseph Vaz, become the "Patron Saint of First Responders" during this pandemic and Covid crisis. If you already signed the petition, thank you. If you have not, only 15 seconds of your time can help a fellow Goan. Please sign the petition to Pope Francis at this link https://josephnaikvaz.org/ (the petition is half-way down the page). Your signature to our Petition - and your help in collecting signatures today by forwarding to others and posting on social media - can make the difference as to whether or not Saint Vaz is made Patron Saint. Saint Vaz risked his life for others, all we are asking now is for a signature. We have petitioned Pope Francis, asking that St. Joseph Vaz be made "Patron Saint of First Responders" because of his care of the abandoned victims of the smallpox epidemic in seventeenth century. As you may know, the Joseph Naik Vaz Institute has sent letters and Petitions to the Popes and the Sacred Congregation for the Causes of the Saints since 1978, asking for action on the Cause of first Venerable Fr. Joseph Vaz, then Blessed Joseph Vaz. Finally, those of us who signed those letters and Petitions lived to see him become Saint Joseph Vaz because of our combined support of those signature drives. The Postulator for his Canonization, Rev. Thomas Klosterkamp O.M.I, told us that one of the factors that led to the decision by H.H. Pope Francis and the Sacred Causes of the Saints to canonize St. Joseph Vaz was the Petition and signatures from around the world that we collected in 2014 for his canonization. He recorded our work in the historical document the "Positio Historica" that he submitted for the Canonization. Please sign the petition to Pope Francis at this link https://josephnaikvaz.org/ (the petition is half-way down the page) Sincerely, Joseph Naik Vaz Institute California, USA
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George wrote: Help a fellow Goan, Saint Joseph Vaz, become the "Patron Saint of First Responders" during this pandemic and Covid crisis. If you already signed the petition, thank you. If you have not, only 15 seconds of your time can help a fellow Goan. Please sign the petition to Pope Francis at this link https://josephnaikvaz.org/ (the petition is half-way down the page). Your signature to our Petition - and your help in collecting signatures today by forwarding to others and posting on social media - can make the difference as to whether or not Saint Vaz is made Patron Saint. We have petitioned Pope Francis, asking that St. Joseph Vaz be made "Patron Saint of First Responders" because of his care of the abandoned victims of the smallpox epidemic in seventeenth century. I notice that Adolfo endorses your petition. I am afraid I don't. This is 2021 and we (the Browns and Blacks) are still begging the (Holy) Whites for favours. And what pathetic favours! "Making Vaz Patron Saint of First Responders." Who has cooked up this title? Hardly a Goan, I guess. Must be some Holy White guy. We Goans still seem helpless to move forward without approval from the Whites - even in the spiritual realm. George & Adolf - let's drop our self-imposed inferiority . I say again - it is 2021. Why are Goans still cowering before the Whites? They have become used to our subservience over the ages and expect the same attitude. Take this Pope Francis fellow.. He claims to come from Argentina. He is merely an Italian who (or his ancestors) migrated to that region of South America for better prospects. And what did these Euro migrants do when they encountered the Natives (Indians they called them): They systematically slaughtered them, children and all - this is all recorded by scientist Charles Darwin who was travelling in the region at the time. Pope Francis should publicly tell us about the origins of Argentina and apologise but will he? These holy White s rarely do. For that matter, the US Anglos slaughtered some 50 million of the US Natives and then grabbed the entire land & turned it into Europe 2. Please read the book "The New Age of Empire" by Prof K Andrews (2021) to learn more. In Australia, the Anglos did the same thing: slaughtered the Natives and grabbed the whole continent. The Whites have always been driven by Greed and Racism. - May I move on to the main Catholic periodicals of the West? They are the National Catholic Reporter, a US weekly and the Tablet, UK weekly. I have been in touch with both and over the years I noticed that the Editorial Boards of both periodicals are entirely WHITE. For both, Catholic means white and mostly IRISH. I have requested the Editors to recognise black and brown Catholics and appoint non-white editors but they won't even respond !! The Tablet even calls itself an "International Catholic Weekly" - there is little international news in the weekly and I pointed this out but they are not moved and won't answer. And there is our George Pinto begging the Holy Whites in Rome to make our Fr Vaz a Patron Saint!! == In conclusion, I 'd like to propose that GoaNet be re-structured into two Parts: Goa-based items (with the traditional nostalgic/historical Section) and a Section on items of interest to overseas Goans. Eddie D'Sa .
[Goanet] Help a fellow Goan ...
George Thank you for your Message I went to the site. Unfortunately 16 minutes later, I found that there were two problems. The site was confusing me with my son and I could not get out of Maple Street MA. Yes our Goan friend needs help in tthis day and age of the Pandemic Pox 21 and all the shameless wars going on in the name of Religion. I will ask my Goan and other friends here in Tanzania to participate I will also read the article which appeared in the earlier part of the year Thank you … George In Issue 410 . Message: 4 Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2021 18:17:57 + (UTC) which I received a few minutes ago to help a fellow Goan Message-ID: <1619007659.650166.1628360277...@mail.yahoo.com> Gosh you really frightened me for a few moments ...I was thinking of a poor decrepit fellow who needed AA to assist. You George have a sense of humour you were referring to St Joseph Vaz . Yes he should be the Patron Saint of hFirst Responders. Its critical ...First Responders can be health workers of all status, policemen and religious people I am in full support I admire St.Joseph Vaz, because of my professional interest in famines, disease .I am surprised that at one time when I was at St Joseph Vaz birthplace, a young Goan couple mistook me for a Priest (because of my white beard) and came for my blessing I did but I wonder what I would have done if they decided that I should hear their confession. God Bless Grandolfo In Makongo Juu .
[Goanet] Help a fellow Goan
Help a fellow Goan, Saint Joseph Vaz, become the "Patron Saint of First Responders" during this pandemic and Covid crisis. If you already signed the petition, thank you. If you have not, only 15 seconds of your time can help a fellow Goan. Please sign the petition to Pope Francis at this link https://josephnaikvaz.org/ (the petition is half-way down the page). Your signature to our Petition - and your help in collecting signatures today by forwarding to others and posting on social media - can make the difference as to whether or not Saint Vaz is made Patron Saint. Saint Vaz risked his life for others, all we are asking now is for a signature. We have petitioned Pope Francis, asking that St. Joseph Vaz be made "Patron Saint of First Responders" because of his care of the abandoned victims of the smallpox epidemic in seventeenth century. As you may know, the Joseph Naik Vaz Institute has sent letters and Petitions to the Popes and the Sacred Congregation for the Causes of the Saints since 1978, asking for action on the Cause of first Venerable Fr. Joseph Vaz, then Blessed Joseph Vaz. Finally, those of us who signed those letters and Petitions lived to see him become Saint Joseph Vaz because of our combined support of those signature drives. The Postulator for his Canonization, Rev. Thomas Klosterkamp O.M.I, told us that one of the factors that led to the decision by H.H. Pope Francis and the Sacred Causes of the Saints to canonize St. Joseph Vaz was the Petition and signatures from around the world that we collected in 2014 for his canonization. He recorded our work in the historical document the "Positio Historica" that he submitted for the Canonization. Please sign the petition to Pope Francis at this link https://josephnaikvaz.org/ (the petition is half-way down the page) Sincerely, Joseph Naik Vaz Institute California, USA
[Goanet] Help a fellow Goan, sign our Petition to H.H. Pope Francis
Please sign our Petition to H.H. Pope Francis to make Goan Saint Joseph Vaz the "Patron Saint of First Responders". The Petition is at this link https://josephnaikvaz.org/ Please forward to your contacts and social media. Brief background on St. Joseph Naik Vaz and the Petition ... St. Joseph Naik Vaz, Son of India (Goa), Apostle of Kanara and Sri Lanka, is fully worthy of being made a “Patron Saint” of at least one of the many contributions he made to the Catholic Church and to humanity. For his extraordinary achievements see: "Life of St. Joseph Vaz" on Amazon Kindle: https://tinyurl.com/JosephVaz Many of his fellow Goans. as well as devoted Mangaloreans and Sri Lankans, signed the various Petitions we sent to the Popes and the Sacred Congregation for the Causes of the Saints for the Beatification and Canonization of St. Joseph Vaz, since our inception in 1978. As the Postulator for his Canonization, Fr. Thomas Klosterkamp, O.M.I., said in 2014, the evidence of devotion and Signatures we collected from the Catholic lay admirers and devotees of St. Joseph Vaz convinced the Pope and the Sacred Congregation for the Saints to make him an official SAINT of the Catholic Church, a long three hundred and ten years after his Cause was started in 1713! Right now, an Italian teenager, Carlo Acuti, who has not been even canonized, has already been selected for Patron Saint of the Internet. The Cause of an American Chaplain, Fr. Emil Kapaun, who was killed in Communist North Korea is being started. Even before he has been declared a Venerable, there is already a movement to have him declared a “Patron Saint” of military Chaplains. We need to have people of color represented too and included in the honors of the church, not just Westerners and white-Europeans. Even though so many non-European Catholics are suffering persecution and religious hostility like St. Joseph Vaz did for the sake of the Gospel, they are not chosen as Patron Saints as models of compassion and Christian love to the world. In the last 500 years since western Christianity was taken under colonial conquest to the New World, Africa, and Asia, the Vatican has made only one non-European SAINT a “Patron Saint.” This was St. Tekawitha, a Native American of Canada and the U.S. Our Joseph Naik Vaz Institute has sent a Petition to H.H. Pope Francis to have St. Joseph Naik Vaz made Patron Saint of First Responders because of his work of taking care of victims of deadly infectious smallpox in 17th century Kandy, and, most importantly, as a model of heroic service in our own Covid times. Sign our PETITION at this link https://josephnaikvaz.org/ AND HELP ACHIEVE GREATER INCLUSION OF SAINTS AND PATRON SAINTS LIKE INDIAN-SRI LANKAN ST. JOSEPH VAZ IN THE CATHOLIC CALENDAR OF SAINTS! Please pass along to your contacts and social media. Thank you. JOSEPH NAIK VAZ INSTITUTE https://josephnaikvaz.org/ Berkeley, California, U.S.A email: josephnaik@gmail.com
