Re: [Goanet] Julio Ribeiro and the choices before Indian Christians (Jason K Fernandes/Dale L Menezes, DNA)

2015-03-31 Thread Bosco D
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From: William Karra william.ka...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 6:14 AM


keith and dale.

i love the critical response you have given to sir julio ribeiro's article.

on a very blunt note, i think it is only the non-catholics and informal
christians who are preaching about christ, outside the vicinity of the
physical church compound, and it is only they who are actually getting
persecuted, hounded, tortured, arrested etc.

i do not think any catholic-christian is preaching any message of Christ,
anywhere in the world, now, for reasons best explained by sir ribeiro as
being 'mass conversions'.

which is why, pope francis also had to remind the catholic brethren that
unless they go out and preach, and make more disciples of Christ (give
birth to more children), the church would become a babysitter and not a
mother.

coming to the current political turmoil over conversions, i think it is
none of the governments business to interfere in, who an individual
prays to, and what he eats.

it simply does not have the authority to interfere in this.

any interference in this, is a violation of a basic/fundamental human right.

and no government shall interfere in basic human rights.

I WANT TO TELL THIS LOUDLY AND CLEARLY, TO OUR GOVERNMENT, AND TO ALL THOSE
WHO ARE IN POWER!!!

thank you.


william karra.

On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:40 AM, Goanet Reader goanetrea...@gmail.com
 wrote:


 http://www.dnaindia.com/analysis/standpoint-part-1-julio-ribeiro-and-the-choices-before-indian-christians-2072444

 Part 1: Julio Ribeiro and the choices before Indian Christians

 Jason Keith Fernandes
 jason.k.fernan...@gmail.com

 Dale Luis Menezes
 dale_mene...@rediffmail.com

 Rather than compromise with
 Hindu nationalism, the present
 moment should be used as a
 moment to deepen the experience
 of Indian citizenship.

 Julio Ribeiro's interventions in various national newspapers
 over the last few months have consistently made a case about
 the predicament of the Christian communities in India.
 However, no other article seems to have grabbed the attention
 of the national media than the one in which he asserted that
 he felt like a foreigner in his own country. Ribeiro's
 assertion followed the increase in violent attacks against
 Christians, and their churches and saints across India.


[Goanet] Julio Ribeiro and the choices before Indian Christians (Jason K Fernandes/Dale L Menezes, DNA)

2015-03-29 Thread Goanet Reader
http://www.dnaindia.com/analysis/standpoint-part-1-julio-ribeiro-and-the-choices-before-indian-christians-2072444

Part 1: Julio Ribeiro and the choices before Indian Christians

Jason Keith Fernandes
jason.k.fernan...@gmail.com

Dale Luis Menezes
dale_mene...@rediffmail.com

Rather than compromise with
Hindu nationalism, the present
moment should be used as a
moment to deepen the experience
of Indian citizenship.

Julio Ribeiro's interventions in various national newspapers
over the last few months have consistently made a case about
the predicament of the Christian communities in India.
However, no other article seems to have grabbed the attention
of the national media than the one in which he asserted that
he felt like a foreigner in his own country. Ribeiro's
assertion followed the increase in violent attacks against
Christians, and their churches and saints across India.

At a time of crisis, like the one India is facing at the
current moment, it would be expected that those who face
persecution from the Hindu Right would stick together.  But,
as much as we need to stick together to offer a common
resistance, it is also important that we use this moment to
engage in fruitful discussion so that we may work out the way
forward.  It is in this spirit that we offer this critical
response to the recent op-ed authored by Ribeiro.

  Following on the cliché of every crisis offering an
  opportunity, we suggest that rather than compromise
  with Hindu nationalism the present moment should be
  used as a moment to deepen the experience of Indian
  citizenship.  Hindu nationalism should be seen not
  as a sudden entrant into Indian politics, but a
  force that has frustrated the realisation of the
  constitutional promises of egalitarian citizenship
  since the very beginning of the Indian state.  Even
  as Ribeiro protests his current discomfort, his
  formulations unfortunately remain within the realm
  of Hindu nationalism and we propose to point a way
  out of the crisis, both for him and other embattled
  groups within the Republic.

Our primary difference with Ribeiro stems from the fact that
we differ in chronology. He inquires whether it is
coincidence or a well-thought-out plan that violence
against Christians intensified after the BJP government came
to power.

  While it is true that there has been an escalation
  of violence against Christians since the Modi-led
  government came to power, the systematic targeting
  of Christians has been a part of the history of the
  Indian nation-state since Independence, and some
  would argue in the course of the national formation
  itself.

We would like to draw attention to the Niyogi Committee
Report published in 1956 that held activities of Christian
missionaries and conversions to be a threat to the Indian
state. The Niyogi Commission, it should be pointed out, was
the product not of an openly Hindu Rightist political party,
but the Congress Party.

The Report was subsequently followed by the passage of
multiple Freedom of Religion bills that seek to limit the
right to conversion.  Later, in the 1960s, the Catholic
Bishops Conference of India (CBCI) faced a good amount of
trouble when, in the words of Cardinal Simon Pimenta, foreign
missionaries in India had been asked by the government to
leave the country -- visas were not being renewed; no fresh
visas were issued for others who had been detailed by their
superiors for work in India.  Such instances indicate the
persistent hostility with which Christian activity and groups
have been viewed in India.

  As many studies of the history of Christianity, and
  conversion movements in India have emphasised,
  Indian nationalism has seen the conversion to
  Christianity as the conversion to a 'foreign'
  religion, and thus an act violative of the very
  soul of the Indian nation.  Further, conversion to
  a 'foreign' religion was viewed as a challenge to
  India's spiritual self-sufficiency.

The problem that Christians have had in India, therefore,
clearly predates the current government, even though the
arrival of the current government has seen a scary
intensification of activities.

In other words, the problem with Christianity could be
said to be part of the national make-up, and not merely an
agenda of the BJP and the Hindu Right alone. The recent
intensification of violence against Christians can be seen as
a culmination of decades of such suspicion and violence.

  Contrary to Ribeiro's suggestion that Hindutva
  violence emerged full-grown with the Modi
  Government, our argument is that the history of
  Indian nation-state has seen a steady deepening of
  Hindutva, rather than constitutional citizenship.
  Reviewing this