[Goanet] Mamlatdar... first class magistrate?

2011-08-07 Thread Freddy Fernandes
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Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 08:54:50 -0400

From: Pandu Lampiao pan...@gmail.com

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Subject : Mamlatdar... first class magistrate?

 

Pandu is right; almost all Notaries attest blindly for a good fee but Mamlatdars
do it a lot cheaper but with lot more fuss. I had once a very unpleasant
experience. Just before my daughters wedding I went to see the Registrar at
Margao and told him that my son-in-law to be was from Navelim and since it came
under his Jurisdiction, asked him what documents were required, I was told I
should get a residency certificate from the Canacona Mamlatdar stating that my
daughter was from my village. So I told him that I had my daughter's ration
card, passport and the election card which specifically state that my daughter
is form Nuem of  Khola village in Canacona Taluka. So he said even then the
residency certificate was needed.   

 

So I walk into the Mamltdar's office a few days later, with all the required
documents at my disposal, I asked my daughter to sit outside and I went to the
Mamlatdar, being a Judicial Magistrate, had to ask permission if I could come
into his presence, my wish was accepted and there I was infront of him with all
my documents (daughter's), birth certificate, election card, passport, school
and college certificates along with my ration card, with me as the head of the
family and my daughter's name clearly mentioned on it, my passport, election
card and ofcourse the original telephone and electricity bill and house tax
receipts. I am sure some may wonder why I had to carry all the above mentioned
documents. It's no laughing matter from past experience I know our authorities
can ask for any weird and absurd and we are expected to produce it.

 

Here I am in front of the Mamlatdar, Yes, why are you here ? was the first
question, I wasn't surprised at all with the absence of any courtesy, well I
said, I am told that I need to have a residency certificate for my daughter's
civil registration, are you from Canacona ? Was the next question followed with,
have you taken a residency certificate before ? Yes, I am from Canacona and no I
have never taken a residency certificate before. Ok was the call and do you have
your daughters birth certificate, ration card, election card ? Yes and here they
are. 

 

The Mamlatdar looked at the name on the ration card and then the election card
and then looked at the birth certificate and there was a sly smile on his face
(probably thinking of a bribe), he said the ration and the election cards were
ok but birth certificate says born in Margao, which would be a problem, do you
have the school certificate ? yes, and along with that I gave the Graduation
certificate as well, hummm, we certainly have a big problem here, he said, I was
amused, I had all my documents right and what could be the problem ? Then came
the sarcasm, he said your daughter was born in Margao, finished school in
Margao and College too in Margao so how come you are here, you should go to
Margao for the residency certificate.

 

Surprisingly I did not loose my cool, I gave him my very broad smile and I asked
him if he had been to my village and he said yes, so I asked him if he saw any
hospitals there, the smile had disappeared, so I went on I am sure you did not
see any hospitals but did you see any good schools ? Again no answer and I made
a further point, there are no colleges either, so how did you expect me to get
these certificates from Canacona, Canacona proper is 30 KMtrs from my village
and Margao is 23 KMtrs so where do you expect us to go ? After some time he
asked me to show some other proof that my daughter was the resident of Nuem
Village. So I said, the ration card says she is the resident of the Village, the
passport says she is the resident of the village, and the election card too says
she is the resident of the village what more proof do you need are all these
documents not authentic ?

 

After sometime, he was at it again, and said that it is my problem and not his,
and asked me if I had the telephone or the electricity bill on my daughter's
name, it is here I lost my head and asked him straight if he was a Goan, and
told him that in Goa we do not register our houses in our children name and
asked if his house in his native villages was registered in his daughters name ?
That ruffled him up and he asked me to go out of his office, I said why and if I
had broken any laws ? I told him that I have my house in Nuem, in the village of
Khola, in Canacona Taluka, showed him the tax receipts, showed him the telephone
bill and the electricity bill and my election card and told him that I am a
resident of Canacona and as I pay my taxes it is the duty of the local
administration to present to me the documents that I require without any further
delay and told him that I will not move out until I get my daughters residency
certificate and warned him that if I was further 

Re: [Goanet] Mamlatdar... first class magistrate?

2011-08-05 Thread Dr . Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão




Any certificate issued in India other than
in English needs to be first translated to English by a registered Notary.

The second step is to get this notarised
certificate authenticated by the Collector of the district. English
certificated can be directly authenticated by the Collector. A fee of Rs. 100/-
is charged.

This authenticated certificate then needs
to be authenticated by the Under secretary Home Ministry at the Govt. 
Secretariat,
Porvorim. There too a fee is charged. Once authenticated, the certificate is
valid in foreign counties. 




Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão.   

[Goanet] Mamlatdar... first class magistrate?

2011-08-04 Thread Frederick FN Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا
Dear Goanetters,

A reader from the UK wants to know whether a  Mamlatdar is a First
Class Magistrate in Goa, for attesting original birth certificates to
be submitted at the Indian Embassy at UK.

Please could someone clarify on this issue? I'm not aware of how the
situation stands. Kindly copy your reply to sushila_atha...@yahoo.com

FN
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FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 f...@goa-india.org
Saligao Goa IN http://fn.goa-india.org Skype: fredericknoronha


Re: [Goanet] Mamlatdar... first class magistrate?

2011-08-04 Thread Tony de Sa
If you want a qualified and valid opinion, it is my suggestion that you
contact the NRI Department and receive proper guidance. Some documents
depending on their use require notarization and attestation by an Officer of
the rank of Under Secretary to Government of Goa. I witnessed this happening
a number of times when these documents were to be produced at foreign
Embassies and Courts etc. Better to be safe than sorry as a mistake could
waste valuable time and effort. For the benefit of those interested in
communicating with the NRI department, the phone numbers are +91 832
2419460/ 61. The Director Mr. U. D. Kamat or his assistant Christopher will
pick up the phone. Tuesday is not a very nice day to call. Email
clarification may be sought from commissionernri_...@rediffmail.com and
lokseva...@rediffmail.com

AFAIK, the service is prompt and helpful.

-- 
Tony de Sa   tonydesa at gmail dot com


Re: [Goanet] Mamlatdar... first class magistrate?

2011-08-04 Thread Pandu Lampiao
Yes, they are.

They are meant as an alternative to folks who cannot afford getting
their certificates attested by a Notary (notary public) in some cases.

In order to get a certificate attested, they require additional
documents (proof...that you stay in the city, ration card and photo
proof..proof of identity, basically). If you happen to be Katlic in
certain municipalities, there is an orchestrated  against
you...you get the marathon run around.

While a Notary will 'blindly' sign/attest your document for the buck
-isn't it what life in Goa is like, anything for a buck-or-five, the
Mamladar usually does it for free (or a very small fee and a fuss).


2011/8/4 Frederick FN Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا
fredericknoron...@gmail.com:
 Dear Goanetters,

 A reader from the UK wants to know whether a  Mamlatdar is a First
 Class Magistrate in Goa, for attesting original birth certificates to
 be submitted at the Indian Embassy at UK.

 Please could someone clarify on this issue? I'm not aware of how the
 situation stands. Kindly copy your reply to sushila_atha...@yahoo.com

 FN
 --
 FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 f...@goa-india.org
 Saligao Goa IN http://fn.goa-india.org Skype: fredericknoronha



Re: [Goanet] Mamlatdar... first class magistrate?

2011-08-04 Thread J. Colaco jc
 Tony de Sa tonyde...@gmail.com wrote:   If you want a qualified and
valid opinion, it is my suggestion that you contact the NRI Department
and receive proper guidance. Some documents depending on their use
require notarization and attestation by an Officer of the rank of
Under Secretary to Government of Goa. The Director Mr. U. D.
Kamat or his assistant Christopher will pick up the phone. Tuesday is
not a very nice day to call. Email clarification may be sought from
commissionernri_...@rediffmail.com and lokseva...@rediffmail.com
AFAIK, the service is prompt and helpful.

==

COMMENT:

Tonybab, based on the very positive feedback I have received about the
NRI office in Goa, I second your post.

This comment may not be appreciated by the chronic Eduardo Faleiro
haters  and so be it.

jc