Re: [Goanet] Migrant Labourers and Outsiders
Thank you for telling us how it is (Goans live such boring lives over there).
I don't know how you came about to that conclusion (sour grapes syndrome?)
I have lived in Goa since I was born, lived in the UK and worked for the
Brazilian Govt whilst over there ('cos I know both lingos), and am now in
Australia. And of all places I've been, there's never been a dull moment.
Always something to do, people to visit, functions to attend, do some social
work (not everyone is rich in the West, you know).
Life in India is challenging really - for everything to work it needs a bit of
oil, isn't it?
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From: Ana Maria de souza-Goswami anamari...@dataone.in
To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
Sent: Saturday, 20 June, 2009 8:07:44 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Migrant Labourers and Outsiders
Do not criticize Goa, at least its a better place than living in australia, or
the UK. The Goans live such boring lives over there. I've lived in Brazil,
its far better than australia or the UK. Never been to the US or Canada, nor do
I have any intention of going to these two countreis. Life in India is more
exciting and challenging than any other western country.
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[Goanet] Migrant Labourers and Outsiders
Thank you Marshall Mendonca for your balanced view regarding migrants in Goa. The problem with lots of Goans living outside Goa, is that they want Goa to be frozen like in 1961. Rajan Parrikar did a wonderful power-point presentation on Rape of Goa. Who is responsible we Goans. All the rich Goans who are living in the West, do they put money back into Goa. Except for the recent Goan-American Heart Foundation where a lot of Goan Doctors in the West have invested in this foundation. In Gujarat, lots of rich Gujaraties who have made it 'big' whether in other parts of India or in the West have invested in Gujarat in Education. The average Gujarati has a lot of respect for the teachers. Be it school, college, post graduate, etc. I remember when my husband was suffering from cancer, we were in Ahmedabad. He was a professor at MICA (Mudra Institute of Communications, Ahmedabad). No doctors charged him. Why, because he was in Education. Savia Viegas, the writer is doing a lot of good in her village at Carmona by way of education for underpriveleged children. she has come back to live in Goa. Goans who live in theWest shouldn;t criticise goa. You out of choice, left Goa. You thought Goa was not good enough for you, others feel otherwise. As Marshall said Goa is not a country but another State of India. Aren't Goans living in Delhi. Met some of them who call themselves 'Portuguese' just because of their surname. Do they know anything about Goa, NO. Do not criticize Goa, at least its a better place than living in australia, or the UK. The Goans live such boring lives over there. I've lived in Brazil, its far better than australia or the UK. Never been to the US or Canada, nor do I have any intention of going to these two countreis. Life in India is more exciting and challenging than any other western country. -- next part -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.79/2186 - Release Date: 06/18/09 17:59:00
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This in response to Ana Maria de Souza-Goswami. I know you have not been raised in Goa but you have lived in Goa for a number of years, why have not attempted to learn our Mai bhas. Perhaps your employees (servants) could have inter reacted with you better if you spoke in their own language rather than in Hindi. Hindi is a foreign language not many indigenous people speak it. Perhaps they see you as a ghantti with your fluent Hindi. In my life I had to learn Swahili, English, Konkani Hindi and a little Portuguese. So I say learn Konkani and come back to the fold of Konkani speaking people. Regards Ignatius Fernandes., _ Get the best of MSN on your mobile http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/147991039/direct/01/
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Ignatius, you seem to hone in on one of the problem: the mother tongue! That said, there are those of us, Goichis who despise our own, and think the lovely Concani is the 'servants language': one makes the rounds of the cocktail circuit which has a liberal splattering of the greasy upcountry desi splashing their ill gotten gains on the Jonie Wal*erit pays (for a Goichi) to low ball the fellow Goans no? I guess its twisted empowerment, to say I am the best of the Goans when you run down the rest? On the advertising cocktail circuit, the great Sylvester Da Chunha always managed a few lines of Concani when he met another Goan! To all those in Mumbai or Lundon who look down on their own (there are many many) and think our very lovely and colorful Concani is 'low culture' (there is no such thing btw), they have a problem. One character is defined by how comfortable one is with ones background, ones roots, ones mother tongue. Ofcourse, when some of these folks hit rock bottom, they return to the lovely Goa and the only way they think they stand out, again is by not talking the language. I say how shameful. Have you ever run into those hoity-toity, nice smelling, convent-educated Bengaali baais speaking their 'what-ever-their-language' with an accent? Aye deus...I think my blood pressure is climbing, gotta run! I say speak Concani with pride, its what gives us that colorful and hot brand 'Goan' for crying out loud! And hey, even the Mallya (you know the plump fellow who makes beer and lives in the convent-like casa in Candolim?)...proudly speaks Manglori Konkani, his mother tongue On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 7:52 AM, ignatius fernandesiggy.fernan...@hotmail.co.uk wrote: This in response to Ana Maria de Souza-Goswami. I know you have not been raised in Goa but you have lived in Goa for a number of years, why have not attempted to learn our Mai bhas. Perhaps they see you as a ghantti with your fluent Hindi. In my life I had to learn Swahili, English, Konkani Hindi and a little Portuguese. So I say learn Konkani and come back to the fold of Konkani speaking people. Regards Ignatius Fernandes.,
Re: [Goanet] Migrant Labourers and Outsiders
Any special reason why they love Goa so much, and not any other part of India? As, according to you, Goans are Indians, and by that default Goa is India, why not love/settle say in Belgaum, or for that matter, Sawantwadi, or even, according to some, the much superior Mumbai? What makes Goans so lovable? Aren't other Indians as lovable? Cheers, Gabriel. - Original Message From: Ana Maria de souza-Goswami anamari...@dataone.in To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Thursday, 11 June, 2009 12:54:36 PM Subject: [Goanet] Migrant Labourers and Outsiders Some of my women friends are foreigners married to Indians and they simply love Goa. They have settled in Goa, because they love the place, like the people and have integrated into the Goan Society. Need a Holiday? Win a $10,000 Holiday of your choice. Enter now.http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylc=X3oDMTJxN2x2ZmNpBF9zAzIwMjM2MTY2MTMEdG1fZG1lY2gDVGV4dCBMaW5rBHRtX2xuawNVMTEwMzk3NwR0bV9uZXQDWWFob28hBHRtX3BvcwN0YWdsaW5lBHRtX3BwdHkDYXVueg--/SIG=14600t3ni/**http%3A//au.rd.yahoo.com/mail/tagline/creativeholidays/*http%3A//au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/%3Fp1=other%26p2=au%26p3=mailtagline
[Goanet] Migrant Labourers and Outsiders
While living in the UK on three occasions bharatis were loud mouthing Goa. I am not to sure why? I have heard that Rajasthan is a very nice place full of palaces. Why do these foreign/Indian combination not live there. Or does the Indian husband feel inferior about his culture? Or maybe the Indian husband is afraid of dakus! Best BC Any special reason why they love Goa so much, and not any other part of India? As, according to you, Goans are Indians, and by that default Goa is India, why not love/settle say in Belgaum, or for that matter, Sawantwadi, or even, according to some, the much superior Mumbai? What makes Goans so lovable? Aren't other Indians as lovable? Cheers, Gabriel
Re: [Goanet] Migrant Labourers and Outsiders
Subject Goan Maids, It is unfortunate that Anna Maria de Souza Goswami has had some bad experience with goan maids.But to discard them because they have not had a bath before coming to work in her house is rather sad, If we goans do not give our very own an opportunity then what will become of our less fortunate households. We need to educate our girls and get them to do what is needed for a high standard of hygiene and general personal cleanliness. By training them personally these young girls will be integrated into society and thus become productive members of society not to mention bringing up their own homes to a decent standard of living by the salary we pay these girls. I have had a goan maid when in Goa and I think she is simply fabulously honest, clean, courteous and very prayerful. God bless Goa and her young less fortunate girls. Godfrey Rasquinha - UAE - Original Message From: Ana Maria de souza-Goswami anamari...@dataone.in To: goa...@lists.goane a bath before coming to work is rather t.org Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2009 1:59:44 AM Subject: [Goanet] Migrant Labourers and Outsiders s Thanks Vivian for taking up for me. I cannot just understand why Goans are against migrant labourers. My maid is a Muslim from Karnataka. Honest to the core. Very clean, unlike some Goan maids who don't have a bath before coming to work. this is the usual complain of friends of mine who employed goan maids. Aren't we Goans to be blamed for migrant labourers. Are the so called Catholic builders employ all migrant labourers. Why don't they employ goan labourers. I asked the Bengalie carpenter why did he leave Calcutta for Goa, and he said he gets double the salary over here. Why do our electricians, etc. go to the gulf, to get tripple the salary. Aren't they migrant labourers in the gulf. Why do Goans migrate to england, australia, etc. Maybe they are not educated enough to get a job in India or the competition does not favour them. With lesser education its easier to get a job abroad then India. In Portugual my cousins lament that most of the people working in the winery are from Ukraine. At least 'outsiders' are polite, unlike goans who are not. Get into a bus, 'ladies only'. If there is a goan sitting he will not get up for a lady. If he is an 'outsider' he will get up. I'v e had first hand experience. School children will never get up for an elderly person. This does not happen in Calcutta. a man cannot sit in 'ladies only' section, be in a bus or metro. We are all Indians, and secular. There is no difference between Catholics, Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs, Jains, Budhists, etc. Ana Maria de Souza-Goswami -- next part -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.52/2152 - Release Date: 06/03/09 05:53:00
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Aye Madame Goaswamy, it appears your curious, repetitive and tiresome line on 'we are Endian...' etc, etc...is getting annoying! Yours truly is Goan first, and Goan last. I am nothing but Goan all the way, its the way I feel and very proudly so. Its my identity and carry it proudly, our language Concani, our land, our way of life, our past, our Goaness,..and I tell anyone who cares to ask (and there are a lot of people, mostly nicely dressed and sweet smelling women,who ask) where I am from: am from Goa dammit and I am Goan! Truly Goan. And what is wrong with that? If you are so apologetic for being Goan (I doubt you are Goan and I won't argue- owning some property does not..., nor a local cross...or being honest does not.), its your free will to call yourself what you wish. If this was a reality show, I would vote... This list is pretty much a of celebration our Goanness, every thing Goan including our pride! A minor argument why I think we are unique as a lot: look at the way we do politics. We are hopeless, we care less (nothing to be proud of btw) and we are yearnings for a dictatorship of some sorts. We are hardly like the rest of Endia or Endians who vote wisely in elections, who complain of corruption, who have a democratic press. We are latin in spirit and culturally (or what ever is left of it)! We are but Goan, and our sport is bullfighting and football and our drink is a smelly feni and a land where no law applies but our very own bent and twisted, our is a land is full of joy and laughter and forgetting and great natural beauty! There is nothing wrong in fighting to keep our way of life, our name, our way! A quick clarification: I do not agree with the anti-migrant labour uttering but migrant labour certainly do not add value to our surroundings. But I guess its todays reality. NOTE: no personal replies, please. On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 4:59 AM, Ana Maria de souza-Goswamianamari...@dataone.in wrote: Thanks Vivian for taking up for me. I cannot just understand why Goans are against migrant labourers. My maid is a Muslim from Karnataka. Honest to the core. Very clean, unlike some Goan maids who don't have a bath before coming to work. this is the usual complain of friends of mine who employed goan maids.
[Goanet] Migrant Labourers and Outsiders
Thanks Vivian for taking up for me. I cannot just understand why Goans are against migrant labourers. My maid is a Muslim from Karnataka. Honest to the core. Very clean, unlike some Goan maids who don't have a bath before coming to work. this is the usual complain of friends of mine who employed goan maids. Aren't we Goans to be blamed for migrant labourers. Are the so called Catholic builders employ all migrant labourers. Why don't they employ goan labourers. I asked the Bengalie carpenter why did he leave Calcutta for Goa, and he said he gets double the salary over here. Why do our electricians, etc. go to the gulf, to get tripple the salary. Aren't they migrant labourers in the gulf. Why do Goans migrate to england, australia, etc. Maybe they are not educated enough to get a job in India or the competition does not favour them. With lesser education its easier to get a job abroad then India. In Portugual my cousins lament that most of the people working in the winery are from Ukraine. At least 'outsiders' are polite, unlike goans who are not. Get into a bus, 'ladies only'. If there is a goan sitting he will not get up for a lady. If he is an 'outsider' he will get up. I'v e had first hand experience. School children will never get up for an elderly person. This does not happen in Calcutta. a man cannot sit in 'ladies only' section, be in a bus or metro. We are all Indians, and secular. There is no difference between Catholics, Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs, Jains, Budhists, etc. Ana Maria de Souza-Goswami -- next part -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.52/2152 - Release Date: 06/03/09 05:53:00
