Re: [Goanet] NEGRO WORD IS NOT AN OFFENSE

[Jose]

On Aug 22, 2014, at 12:41 PM, Eugene Correia  wrote:
"I think Stephen is out of step with the times.. It was okay perhaps during his 
Portuguese time. The world has changed. I challenge him to go and say that word 
to a "black" person in Bronx, Los Aneles and in a community or group of 
"blacks." I then wanted to hear him  or read him, if he's alive to return to 
Goa. Best of luck, Stephen. Take the CM if you will."

COMMENT:

1: CM Parrikar is right.
2: Stephen Dias is right in stating that the Portuguese (Latin) word for Black 
is Negro.
3: Stephen Dias is right in pointing out, further, that black Africans lived in 
Goa. They and other Africans (Siddis) lived in Goa and other parts of the West 
coast of the subcontinent. 
4: In my reading, I have not come across any "White" Africans living in Goa. 
Accordingly, I am not sure what Mervyn's context is wrt what Stephen wrote.
5: Eugene's post is noted. NOT a good idea for a non-black person to use that 
word in the US. 
6: However, black folks will use that word quite liberally. They even have the 
UNCF. Guess what the N stands for.  When they wish to refer to each other and 
another person, they would liberally use the N word as in "White Nigger" to 
mean a white man.

jc

Re: [Goanet] NEGRO WORD IS NOT AN OFFENSE

[Mervyn Lobo]

On Thu, 8/21/14, Stephen Dias wrote:
 RefL: HERALD CM ACROPOLISES FOR USING THE WORD " NEGRO"
 Hon Sir,
 I do not think that you made a mistake by using the word "NEGRO" because we 
used to say in Portuguese time this word often for Africans  staying in Goa., 
and that these Africans were never got offended. In Portuguese the meaning of 
NEGRO is BLACK. And it is true that they are black and not WHITE. Now what will 
happen if you call the Europeans as WHITE. Will they get offended? No. 
Therefore the Chief Minister should not have apologized for it.
 This is for the public to know that the word NEGRO is not an offense.
 -

Stephen Dias,
The easiest way to understand the offensive word is that there are people in 
Africa who have a skin colour that is lighter than mine. Or yours. How can you 
justify calling someone who is not black, black - in any language.

Secondly, Europeans are not white. Snow is white in colour. Why would you call 
Europeans white when they are not?

Mervyn

Re: [Goanet] NEGRO WORD IS NOT AN OFFENSE

[Eugene Correia]

 Dictuionary.com
noun, plural Negroes.
1.
Anthropology. (no longer in technical use) a member of the peoples
traditionally classified as the Negro race, especially those who originate
in sub-Saharan Africa.
 2.
Older Use: Often Offensive. a black person
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Word Origin
 C16: from Spanish or Portuguese: black, from Latin niger black
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Usage notes

In the United States of America, the word *negro* is considered acceptable
only in a historical context or in proper names such as the United Negro
College Fund . *Black
*, which replaced *negro* from 1966
onward, or the more recent *African-American
* (from the 1980s), are the
preferred alternatives, with neither being categorically preferred as an
endonym  (self-designation) or by
publications.

Before 1966, *negro* was accepted and in fact the usual endonym – consider *The
Negro ,* 1915, by W. E. B. Du Bois
 – which itself replaced the
older *colored * in the 1920s,
particularly under the advocacy of Du Bois (who advocated
capitalization as *Negro
*). Following the coinage and
rise of Black
Power  and Black pride
 in the 1960s, particularly
post-1966, the term *black* became preferred, and *negro* became offensive;
in 1968 *negro* was still preferred by most as a self-designation, while by
1974 *black* was preferred; usage by publications followed.[1]





When Did the Word Negro Become Taboo?By Brian Palmer

It started its decline in 1966 and was totally uncouth by the mid-1980s.
The turning point came when Stokely Carmichael coined the phrase *black
power*  at a 1966
rally in Mississippi. Until then, *Negro* was how most black Americans
described themselves. But in Carmichael's speeches and in his landmark 1967
book, *Black Power: The Politics of Liberation in America*
,
he persuasively argued that the term implied black inferiority. Among black
activists, *Negro* soon became shorthand for a member of the establishment.
Prominent black publications like *Ebony* switched from *Negro* to *black*
at the end of the decade, and the masses soon followed. According to a
1968 *Newsweek
*poll, more than two-thirds of black Americans still preferred
*Negro*, but *black
*had become the majority preference by 1974. Both the Associated Press and
the *New York Times *abandoned *Negro *in the 1970s, and by the mid-1980s,
even the most hidebound institutions, like the U.S. Supreme Court, had
largely stopped using *Negro*.

Read more at

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2010/01/when_did_the_word_negro_become_taboo.html

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Negro (n.)
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Look up Negro at Dictionary.com]
"member of a black-skinned
race of Africa," 1550s, from Spanish or Portuguese negro "black," from
Latin nigrum (nominative niger) "black, dark, sable, dusky," figuratively
"gloomy, unlucky, bad, wicked," of unknown origin (perhaps from PIE *nekw-t-
"night;" see Watkins). As an adjective from 1590s. Use with a capital N-
became general early 20c. (e.g. 1930 in "New York Times" stylebook) in
reference to U.S. citizens of African descent, but because of its perceived
association with white-imposed attitudes and roles the word was ousted late
1960s in this sense by Black
 (q.v.).

Professor Booker T. Washington, being politely interrogated ... as to
whether negroes ought to be called 'negroes' or 'members of the colored
race' has replied that it has long been his own practice to write and speak
of members of his race as negroes, and when using the term 'negro' as a
race designation to employ the capital 'N' ["Harper's Weekly," June 2, 1906]

Meaning "English language as spoken by U.S. blacks" is from 1704. French
nègre is a 16c. borrowing from Spanish negro.
 http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=negro
--
I think Stephen is out of step with the times.. It was okay perhaps during
his Portuguese time. The world has changed. I challenge him to go and say
that word to a "black" person in Bronx, Los Aneles and in a community or
group of "blacks." I then wanted to hear him  or read him, if he's alive to
return to Goa. Best of luck, Stephen. Take the CM if you will.

Eugene Correia

[Goanet] NEGRO WORD IS NOT AN OFFENSE

[Stephen Dias]

Dear Chief Mister of Goa
Manohar Parrikar

RefL: HERALD CM ACROPOLISES FOR USING THE WORD " NEGRO"

Hon Sir,

I do not think that you made a mistake by using the word "NEGRO" because we
used to say in Portuguese time this word often for Africans  staying in
Goa., and that these Africans were never got offended. In Portuguese the
meaning of NEGRO is BLACK. And it is true that they are black and not
WHITE. Now what will happen if you call the Europeans as WHITE. Will they
get offended? No. Therefore the Chief Minister should not have apologized
for it.
This is for the public to know that the word NEGRO is not an offense.

Stephen Dias
D.Paula