[Goanet] Nehru Seizes Goa

2013-02-06 Thread Bernado Colaco
The post below is kind of a cheap apology by the sychopants of the so called 
'liberation'. The henious murder of the heroic Police Officer from Damao during 
the seige and invasion of Dadra and Nagar Haveli is not mentioned.
 
 
 
BC
 
 
 
I had caught my error after reading it on goanet and was going to
issue a correction today. However, it's good to know that at least one
person noticed it.

Gandhi didn't approve of any violent method and he has written on
Goa. I have rephrased it.
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Gandhi himself didn't approve of the method to gain Goa but in the
post-Independent India Gandhi's voice WOULD NOT HAVE carried not much
weight as it did
during India's freedom movement. He would  HAVE  BEEN ashamed that the
Indian army
misbehaved in Goa.


Error regreted.

Eugene


Re: [Goanet] Nehru seizes Goa

2013-02-03 Thread Mervyn Lobo
Marshall Mendonza wrote:
> The Indian forces doing peacekeeping duties in Africa have not exactly covered
> themselves with glory and have brought shame to the nation.


Marshall
Can you give us some instances of when Indian forces in Africa have brought 
shame to India?
Mervyn



Re: [Goanet] Nehru seizes Goa

2013-02-03 Thread Jose Colaco

*Eugene Correia wrote: Gandhi himself didn't approve of the method to gain Goa 
..He was also ashamed that the Indian army misbehaved in Goa.

Marshall Mendonza wrote: 

1.Mahatma Gandhi died on 30.1.1948. Goa was annexed on 19.12.1961. Hence MG 
could not have exercised any opinion during the time specified.

2. Almost all victorious / occupation armies misbehave with the local 
population and loot.during the Indo-Pak war of 1971 elements of the Indian 
army looted from shops and homes in Bangladesh. The Indian forces doing 
peacekeeping duties in Africa have not exactly covered
themselves with glory and have brought shame to the nation.

COMMENT: 

a: I personally do not expect any journalist of the calibre of Eugene Correia 
to verify the details of the stuff he writes.

b:  you must be referring to the Purtuguez crew

jc





Re: [Goanet] Nehru seizes Goa

2013-02-03 Thread Santosh Helekar
Continuing my quest to corroborate the Portuguese information officer Leo 
Lawrence's account, here is something reported by the New York Times, that he 
failed to mention:

PRIESTS IN GOA PRAY FOR INDIA
 
PANGIM, Goa, Dec. 25 (AP)
Roman Catholic priests offered prayers for the prosperity of India and Goa 
today at special Christmas Services in this former Portuguese enclave. More
than a third of the 650,000 persons living in the captured enclaves - Goa, Damao
and Diu - are Catholics. The Bishop of Pangim
said the Portuguese had prevented Goans from living a full life as human
beings. The Bishop prayed for a long life for Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru,
whom he termed the world's foremost man of peace.
 
The Portuguese wrecked Pangim's water system in their
retreat, and an acute water shortage exists. This and other problems were
believed discussed here yesterday at a meeting of Indian military commanders
and civilian officials planning the enclaves' future as part of India.
 
--New York Times, Dec 26, 1961, Page 2

Cheers,

Santosh


Re: [Goanet] Nehru seizes Goa

2013-01-31 Thread Jose Colaco
In response to Eugene Correia's post on the matter:

Having read the book from cover to cover over several weeks, I could proffer 
the following thoughts.

1: I am unable to believe many of the vague charges contained in the book. They 
are just as 'believable' as the pre-invasion propaganda on the Indian side.

2: There are some other parts which are believable - based on conversations 
with those who were in Goa at the time, and based on how events have unfolded 
post1961.

3: The book would have been totally unbelievable IF Goa was not then treated as 
"spoils of war".

4: I would NOT make a judgement on a book based on 'bits and pieces' . If I 
did, I would be like my colleague from Ahmedabad who would look at the posters 
and photographs in the windows of El Dorado and relate a whole story of the 
film .as though he had seen it.

5: Not all who challenge the status quo are pro-Portuguese. How does Eugene 
know that they are not just pro-Goan? Would he say, for instance that Rajan 
Parrikar's writings are pro-Portuguese?

6: Personally, I believe (like Santoshbab) that the invasion was not legal. 
Like him and others, I too believe that it is NOW " water under the bridge". 
Time to move forward. 

7: Am I saddened by the continued filthification and the continued land grab?  
I am. The fact of the matter is that one can do nothing about it. Conquests are 
like that. You lose You snooze. I have accepted it. Perhaps, others too will 
accept it, albeit grudgingly..and move on.

8: As far as the book is concerned, I cannot dictate to others WHAT they should 
think about the book, at least until they have had the opportunity to read it.

9: That might not be possible IF the book is banned or otherwise not available.

jc

Pardon any Typos. This IPad does some curious auto- corrections


On Jan 30, 2013, at 12:44 PM, Eugene Correia  wrote:

> Those who believe that the book, Nehru Seizes Goa, is their bible
> there's nothing one can say. Leo Lawrence guided the pressmen who came
> to Goa before and after the Liberation. I was going through some
> scanned clippings from foreign newspapers before and after the
> Liberation. Also went through the chapter on Goa in Salazar and Modern
> Portugal by Hugh Kay where the author says that the diplomatic
> standoff between Salazar and Nehru with Salazar trying his best to
> hold on to Portugal under constitutional amendments and some
> historical examples of countries giving away their colonies and Nehru
> sticking to his guns that must be absorbed into India, the Indian
> government saw no option but to move its army into the colony.
> I have said here that it was a war and, as they say, everything is
> fair in love and war India did what it was best in the circumstances.
> From a diplomatic war to armed struggle was a long way.
> Does it surprise that NATO allies didn't come to the rescue of
> Portugal despite Salazar's pleading? It was the time when the last
> bastions of colonialism were falling if not already fallen and African
> nations wanted that one boost to give them the reason to demand
> freedom. Like a domino effect, it happened. That's what history is and
> one has to understand that "ifs and buts" are something one looks at
> in hindsight.
> As I mentioned earlier the whole thing is now academic, more so after
> Portugal has recognized India's sovereignty over Goa the matter
> between the two countries should be considered closed. But we have
> here and elsewhere, particularly on a vehemently anti-Indian website,
> people crying over split milk, by which I mean that Goa should have
> got Independent nation status. This is one "if" of the tussle for the
> prized colony.
> As Vivian said that it's old matter and we must see forward, a
> statement that was seconded by Merwyn. This world is largely
> post-colonial and I advise those wanting to see the Asian world
> through the lens of post-coloniality to read Between the Lines: South
> Asians and Post-Coloniality, a collection of essays. I don't have my
> book with me right now to quote from it.
> Leo has acknowledged reporters from the foreign press, and many of the
> reports from these reporters and editorials from global media were
> complied together in a book form by the Portuguese information
> department. I happened to read the copy borrowed from a fiercely
> pro-Portuguese who by the mid-70s had tempered down. The book also
> carried many anti-Nehru and anti-Gandhi cartoons and the ones I
> remember is of a Nehru wooden statue with a olive branch (symbolism
> peace) and soldiers coming out of the back door. It was a reminder of
> the Trojan Horse of Greek history. Gandhi was shown seating in his
> trademark pose, crosslegged, with his head bowed down and a dragger
> shoved into his back. I wished someone had drawn a cartoon of Nehru
> seizing Salazar by his b***s.
> Gandhi himself didn't approve of the method to gain Goa but in the
> post-Independent India Gandhi's voice carried not much weigh

Re: [Goanet] Nehru seizes Goa

2013-01-30 Thread Santosh Helekar
You have read the story I told you of looting after the annexation of Goa as 
related by the Portuguese information officer Leo Lawrence. Here is now the 
story as related by the Time Magazine issue of January 5, 1962 in an article 
entitled "India: Morning After":

QUOTE
Goa's virtually duty-free status sent swarms of Indian
soldiers into shops stocked with inexpensive foreign luxury items seldom seen
in India because of the government's stringent import restrictions. Shopkeepers
did a brisk business in transistor radios, cameras, electric appliances,
cosmetics, perfumes, wines. In one Pangim shop alone, Indian soldiers bought
1,400 Max Factor lipsticks. Truckloads of refrigerators were purchased by army
officers for shipment home.
UNQUOTE
...India: Morning After, Time Magazine, January 5, 1962

Cheers,

Santosh