[Goanet] Only 11 Bishops from Salcete since 1637 ? We Need an
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Hello Dr Carmo, Seems you are out to create disharmony amongst Goans with Salcett vs Bardez. After all, there are some who already create this with language, devanagri vs roman script. Seems you are not happy to be a Goan, but would prefer to be a proud Sastikar. S You should be proud that Portuguese gave Salcette to the Jesuits. And as far as I know, Jesuits have never been interested in positions, but they have been all out to do missionary work, even to the most remotest place. If salcette had less bishops, than they took lessons from the Jesuits on being better missionaries, and most of the vicars I have met who made sermons more interesting are from Salcette. Cheers Jerry Subject: [Goanet] Only 11 Bishops from Salcete since 1637 ? We Need an Investigation To: Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Dear Fr. Joaquim Loyola Pereira, Thanks for providing me with the following statistical information: Of the 55 bishops that Goa has mothered (or grand-mothered) right from 1637, 34 are from Bardez, 11 from Salcete and 10 from Ilhas. I am not at all surprised with this information. Infact I expected this kind of discrepancy even though two of our Sashtikars really hit it big despite all the odds stacked against them: Cardinal Valerian Gracias from Navelim who was from the lower castes and became India's first Cardinal and Jesuit Ivan Dias of Velsao who narrowly lost the last papal horse race to Pope Benedict. Basically at its very Genesis, The Portuguese divided the various regions of Goa among the following denominations (priestly orders) of the Catholic Church as follows: Salcette was given to the Jesuits, Ilhas was given to the Dominicans (remember there were a couple of Dominican fathers on board the lead Caravela with Alfonso de Albuquerque in 1510) and Bardez was given to the Franciscans. I know how much tough time the Jesuits have to become Popes and Bishops because of the basic infrastructure of the Church Hierarchy (The Jesuit Black Pope in Rome, the nature of the Jesuits and their missions, etc) and this may be the reason for having only 11 bishops since 1637 from Salcete vs a disproportionate 55 from Bardez, despite Salcete being a hotbed of Catholicism in Goa. Other Root Causes for this discrepancy must be investigated and addressed for a semblance of parity between Bardezkars and Shastikars among the princes of the Church. So what is being done to promote vocations in Salcete and get more Sashtikars to become Bishops and Cardinals in the Catholic Church ? I dont mean to be parochial, but for the greater good of Catholicism in Goa and India, we need more Sashtikars to become Bishops and Cardinals in Goa ! Best Regards, Dr. Carmo D'Cruz, Shastikar, Proud Velkar. Even More Proud to Be A Goenkar, Indian Harbour Beach, Florida. --- This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the Administrator. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company. Finally, the recipient should check this e-mail and any attachment for the presence of viruses. The company accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this e-mail. Jarir Bookstore ..not just a bookstore Visit us: www.jarirbookstore.com 31/10/2006 ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Only 11 Bishops from Salcete since 1637 ? We Need an
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Dear Dr. Carmo, I think we have to find the explanation of the "disproportionate" number of Bardezkar bishops in the large emigration of the Bardezkars, dating back to the 19th century, as opposed to that of Sashtikars, who by and large followed them practically only in the second half of the 20th century. Please note that 28 of our 34 Bardezkars were "grandmothered" by Goa, whereas their counterparts from Salcete are only three, out of 11. Your connecting "the nature of the Jesuits" with this reality is rather audacious, I must say. Salcete, on its part, remains a more fertile ground for priestly vocations in the Goa of today for the sheer mathematical consideration that "sixty villages" are more than "twelve villages." And yes, if there is any vocation promotion anywhere in the Church, it is for plain priesthood like mine - never for mitres and red hats. Fr. Loiola. --- CARMO DCRUZ wrote: Dear Fr. Joaquim Loyola Pereira, Thanks for providing me with the following statistical information: Of the 55 bishops that Goa has mothered (or grand-mothered) right from 1637, 34 are from Bardez, 11 from Salcete and 10 from Ilhas. . ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Only 11 Bishops from Salcete since 1637 ? We Need an Investigation....
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Dear Fr. Joaquim Loyola Pereira, Thanks for providing me with the following statistical information: Of the 55 bishops that Goa has mothered (or grand-mothered) right from 1637, 34 are from Bardez, 11 from Salcete and 10 from Ilhas. I am not at all surprised with this information. Infact I expected this kind of discrepancy even though two of our Sashtikars really hit it big despite all the odds stacked against them: Cardinal Valerian Gracias from Navelim who was from the lower castes and became India's first Cardinal and Jesuit Ivan Dias of Velsao who narrowly lost the last papal horse race to Pope Benedict. Basically at its very Genesis, The Portuguese divided the various regions of Goa among the following denominations (priestly orders) of the Catholic Church as follows: Salcette was given to the Jesuits, Ilhas was given to the Dominicans (remember there were a couple of Dominican fathers on board the lead Caravela with Alfonso de Albuquerque in 1510) and Bardez was given to the Franciscans. I know how much tough time the Jesuits have to become Popes and Bishops because of the basic infrastructure of the Church Hierarchy (The Jesuit Black Pope in Rome, the nature of the Jesuits and their missions, etc) and this may be the reason for having only 11 bishops since 1637 from Salcete vs a disproportionate 55 from Bardez, despite Salcete being a hotbed of Catholicism in Goa. Other Root Causes for this discrepancy must be investigated and addressed for a semblance of parity between Bardezkars and Shastikars among the princes of the Church. So what is being done to promote vocations in Salcete and get more Sashtikars to become Bishops and Cardinals in the Catholic Church ? I dont mean to be parochial, but for the greater good of Catholicism in Goa and India, we need more Sashtikars to become Bishops and Cardinals in Goa ! Best Regards, Dr. Carmo D'Cruz, Shastikar, Proud Velkar. Even More Proud to Be A Goenkar, Indian Harbour Beach, Florida. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Only 11 Bishops from Salcete since 1637 ? We Need an Investigation....
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Dear Fr. Joaquim Loyola Pereira, Thanks for providing me with the following statistical information: Of the 55 bishops that Goa has mothered (or grand-mothered) right from 1637, 34 are from Bardez, 11 from Salcete and 10 from Ilhas. I am not at all surprised with this information. Infact I expected this kind of discrepancy even though two of our Sashtikars really hit it big despite all the odds stacked against them: Cardinal Valerian Gracias from Navelim who was from the lower castes and became India's first Cardinal and Jesuit Ivan Dias of Velsao who narrowly lost the last papal horse race to Pope Benedict. Basically at its very Genesis, The Portuguese divided the various regions of Goa among the following denominations (priestly orders) of the Catholic Church as follows: Salcette was given to the Jesuits, Ilhas was given to the Dominicans (remember there were a couple of Dominican fathers on board the lead Caravela with Alfonso de Albuquerque in 1510) and Bardez was given to the Franciscans. I know how much tough time the Jesuits have to become Popes and Bishops because of the basic infrastructure of the Church Hierarchy (The Jesuit Black Pope in Rome, the nature of the Jesuits and their missions, etc) and this may be the reason for having only 11 bishops since 1637 from Salcete vs a disproportionate 55 from Bardez, despite Salcete being a hotbed of Catholicism in Goa. Other Root Causes for this discrepancy must be investigated and addressed for a semblance of parity between Bardezkars and Shastikars among the princes of the Church. So what is being done to promote vocations in Salcete and get more Sashtikars to become Bishops and Cardinals in the Catholic Church ? I dont mean to be parochial, but for the greater good of Catholicism in Goa and India, we need more Sashtikars to become Bishops and Cardinals in Goa ! Best Regards, Dr. Carmo D'Cruz, Shastikar, Proud Velkar. Even More Proud to Be A Goenkar, Indian Harbour Beach, Florida. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
