Re: [Goanet] Other people's beliefs

2008-12-30 Thread Santosh Helekar
--- On Tue, 12/30/08, Mario Goveia  wrote:
> 
> Santosh is absolutely right to be so sad at observing
> intolerance though I hope he does not mean that challenging
> those with opposing views represents intolerance, especially
> when those views are presented in a passive-aggressive
> attack as in the original "God sucks" post, with
> no supporting commentary or rational point being made, until
> the inevitable outr..., ...er, negative feedback, by others.
>  

Mario, I agree with what you have said. Thanks for keeping people honest.

Cheers,

Santosh


  


Re: [Goanet] Other people's beliefs

2008-12-29 Thread Mario Goveia
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 10:08:19 -0800 (PST)
From: Santosh Helekar 

> It is sad to see people making such intolerant sarcastic remarks against 
> people who hold beliefs other than themselves. It looks like these 
> people have not learned the moral value of secular pluralism after all 
> these years.

Mario responds:

Santosh is absolutely right to be so sad at observing intolerance though I hope 
he does not mean that challenging those with opposing views represents 
intolerance, especially when those views are presented in a passive-aggressive 
attack as in the original "God sucks" post, with no supporting commentary or 
rational point being made, until the inevitable outr..., ...er, negative 
feedback, by others.  Then suddenly we saw all kinds of explanations, excuses, 
presumptions, references from past associations, which all rang hollow, at 
least to me.

To his second point, the "God sucks" post was clearly aimed directly at those 
with opposing beliefs, in this case religious beliefs. Unfortunately, in this 
case the intolerant people were apparently athe, ...er, secular pluralists, 
who had apparently missed the moral value of secular pluralism and thought that 
just claiming to be secular pluralists automatically made them tolerant and 
humane, and those with religious beliefs automatically intolerant and inhumane.





Re: [Goanet] Other people's beliefs (Was: God Sucks)

2008-12-28 Thread Santosh Helekar
--- On Sun, 12/28/08, Gilbert Lawrence  wrote:
>  
> Many Christians today feel: To get to heaven, they do not
> need the saints.  A few are so smart, they do not need
> Christ. There are the real smart ones who do not need God to
> get to heaven after death. And then, there are some who do
> not believe in a soul and a life after death.  
> 

It is sad to see people making such intolerant sarcastic remarks against people 
who hold beliefs other than themselves. It looks like these people have not 
learned the moral value of secular pluralism after all these years.

Cheers,

Santosh