[Goanet] Raveena's case
--- http://www.GOANET.org --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php --- In Support of Message: 6 Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 06:00:26 -0700 (PDT) From: lino dourado libado23...@yahoo.com To: estb. 1994! Goa's premiere mailing list goanet@lists.goanet.org Subject: Re: [Goanet] Raveena's case I support the statement made by bab Lino, I too am genuinely surprised at the excuse of Sabina Martins when she says No one has approached Bailancho Saad for intervention and we understand another women's organisation is handling the matter, in the case of Raveena's un-natural death. Would Sabina Martins clarify as to who approached them in the high profile Ratol case, was it the mother, the brother, the politician or the victim herself who approached them ? Even if another women's organization is handling their case shouldn't your organization support them or help them ? A women's organization like Bailancho Saad should have been involved in every crime against women, high profile or not, whether approached or not. Most of the crimes against women go unpunished because the women involved are either scared, weak or insecure and have no voice to approach so it is the members of the organization who are duty bound to seek suck women through their network and not wait for them to approach. Bailancho Saad should have been the approaching party. Roveena's death has highlighted the plight of voiceless people who believe on what they are told by the doctors and the authorities. If the alleged doctor has been the cause of her death and guilty of the charges levied against him nothing less than a death penalty would serve justice. No doubt Bailancho Saad has been taking up a lot of women issues but my only advice would be, seek those in trouble and help them get justice, do not wait for them to come to you because they may never come and die within. Freddy Agnelo Fernandes
Re: [Goanet] Raveena's case
--- http://www.GOANET.org --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php --- Just out of curiosity I would like clarification from Freddy and Lino. What are the cases that women organization should take up? In Raveena’s case it could be a surgery failure which could have happened to a boy also. The case does not deal with women issues at all. It is similar to a woman killed in a road traffic accident for example, which could happen to a male being also. Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão.
[Goanet] Raveena's case
--- http://www.GOANET.org --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php --- . Mr Freddy Fernandes asked who approached Bailancho Saad in 'ratol'case. No one . Bailancho Saad was not handling the Nadia suicide case. As far as approaching every woman in need, it is impossible for a purely voluntary, non funded group like ours, as the volume of cases is large. We try to do whatever we can outside working hours. In a study done by me of *12 *police stations out of the then *24*, there were 8304 complaints related to women, registered as NC (non cognisable ), out of which 2305 cases were of violence against women in one year alone (1998). Besides there were cognisable cases too.I need not mention that there are those that never reach the police stations. The Report Cognisance of Non cognisance was published by Goa State Commission for Women in 2000. So we lobbied for a women police station, helpline for women. We held training programs for police, students,self help groups, youth groups, community leaders, religious groups, elected women panchas, to assist and guide women in need. It is the responsibility of the State to ensure the welfare of women as well as social justice. Women are tax payers too! But increasingly the State is withdrawing from social sector. As to the suggestion that we should assist other women's organisation, we do network on common issues and seek advice and assistance whenever needed. We also agree to disagree if there is a difference of opinion, without going public. Due to time constraints we are not able to respond to every wrong presumption, defamatory statement, that appears in the media or plug in the debate on goanet. Sabina
Re: [Goanet] Raveena's case
--- http://www.GOANET.org --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php --- Freddy Fernandes (FF) wrote: A women's organization like Bailancho Saad should have been involved in every crime against women, high profile or not, whether approached or not. Roveena's death has highlighted the plight of voiceless people who believe on what they are told by the doctors and the authorities. If the alleged doctor has been the cause of her death and guilty of the charges levied against him nothing less than a death penalty would serve justice. -- Response: 1: General Comment: I believe FF is right. Those among us who are paying for the running of these NGOs, have a right to demand that the Women's NGOs do what we are paying them to do. And while, we have to struggle hard to sit in air-conditioned 'discomfort' and on our armchairs, they (the women's organizations) are duty bound to go and look for such cases. If they don't, we will not send them any more funds. No more 1st class air-travel for you even though you may choose to travel by cattle-class (;-). 2: First set of Questions specific to the Raveena case (esp as the death-penalty has been sought by FF): [FF may choose to answer the questions or seek the answers to these questions] a: When did R first complain of pain in her belly? b: When was R first taken to the doctor? c: When was the diagnosis of appendicitis first made? d: When was she first operated upon? e: Has a case for negligence (criminal) been filed against any of the doctors in any of the courts? 3: There are other non-death penalty questions that FF may wish to seek answers to (wrt to the reportedly unethical actions of the doctors) i.e. verbal abuse of sister (for which there is NO excuse) and the removal of eyes and kidneys without consent (which is an assault): f: Has any body written to the Medical Council about the abuse and filed a case in any court wrt the assault? 4: WRT the non-provision of information to any individual who is not the Official Guardian, I will leave it to FF to think about it. jc
Re: [Goanet] Raveena's case
--- http://www.GOANET.org --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php --- Further to my comment, please be advised that these comments are not to offend any one or any group who are working in their own capacity to make our Goan society a better place to live. As far as Bailancho Groups work is considered we have no exact knowledge of their agenda and these groups has a working motto to lift women in needs and more over the correct terminology is women empowerment, as citizens we see or perceive these groups only associates themselves to high profile cases and other cases which do not garner much TRP are left to be fended by other small organizations. If Baialancho groups associates themselves to all people with out looking at the caste or creed it would be more better. May be Bailancho groups working on other cases which do not come to light infront of the public. So to cut the long story short please cover all women related issues in Goa with equal attention if possible. Next issue is whether there is a strategic plan from these groups like pre and post intervention and what remedies this groups has suggested to help the women in the society, since Goa is small and compact society, problems maybe interrelated or similar in 90 percent cases. Does these groups have full time professionals to deal and solve the problem? Lino Dourado --- On Sun, 10/23/11, Sabina Martins martinssab...@gmail.com wrote: From: Sabina Martins martinssab...@gmail.com Subject: [Goanet] Raveena's case To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Date: Sunday, October 23, 2011, 11:46 AM This has reference to the query made by Lino Dourado ' Raveena somplem or sompoilem'. The producer of the CD has wrongly involved the name of Bailancho Saad in the CD circulated and shown at Tiatrs. No one has approached Bailancho Saad for intervention. We understand another women's organisation is handling the matter. Sabina
[Goanet] Raveena's case
--- http://www.GOANET.org --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php --- This has reference to the query made by Lino Dourado ' Raveena somplem or sompoilem'. The producer of the CD has wrongly involved the name of Bailancho Saad in the CD circulated and shown at Tiatrs. No one has approached Bailancho Saad for intervention. We understand another women's organisation is handling the matter. Sabina
