[Goanet] Re. LUSOFONIA AS SEEN FROM INDIA
http://www.GOANET.org This month's Goanet operations sponsored by Mrs. Daisy Faleiro If you would like to sponsor Goanet's operations contact: Herman Carneiro - [EMAIL PROTECTED] I must congratulate Mr Colaco Dias on the measured sanity of his responses. This is the more remarkable because the topic on which he writes seems, as a general rule, to draw out the rabid fanatic in support of whichever side. Andre Message: 9 Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 15:02:29 - From: "Paulo Colaco Dias" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Goanet] Re. LUSOFONIA AS SEEN FROM INDIA To: "'Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!'" Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" André de Souza http://pages.stern.nyu.edu/~adesouza TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/
Re: [Goanet] Re. LUSOFONIA AS SEEN FROM INDIA
http://www.GOANET.org This month's Goanet operations sponsored by Mrs. Daisy Faleiro If you would like to sponsor Goanet's operations contact: Herman Carneiro - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Paulo Colaco Dias <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I just cannot believe that you deny that Goa was > ever connected to Portugal. > You must be blind or you have no idea what Goa was > all about. Paulo Colaco Dias, Let me try this one more time. A mother is connected to her son. At some stage she will set him free and tell her son to go out and make his stamp on the world. A slave is tied to his master forever. The master will not let the slave go even if (especially if?) the slave is smareter than the master. Secondly, you seem to be totally unaware of the Goan freedom struggle. It did not start in the 1950´s. If you read up on the ´Pinto revolt´ you would get some idea about the independence struggle. > I wonder which post members of this forum will find > more entertaining: > Eduardo Faleiro's or yours. This forum will surely answer youR question. The question I have for you is´. Were you in the same class as Eduardo Faleiro? > Forget pre-1961. Goa of today is still connected to > Portugal culturally and > so are several other parts of India like Damao, Diu > and even remote areas of > old Bombay where a mixture of Portuguese language > with the local language is > still in use. The recent (last year) TV programme > "Contacto Goa" broadcasted > world wide through RTPi (International Portuguese TV > channel) demonstrated > exactly the extent to what this is true. I found it > unbelievable when I > watched but it is indeed true. But I guess you did > not watch it, did you? > No, I wouldn't have thought so. Never mind, you are from Faleiro´s school of thought. You asked the question and provided the answer you wanted. I am glad I am sitting in Mexico. Else, in the great dictatorial tradition, I would be shouted at or risk being arrested.. Mervyn3.0 Cancun, Mexico __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet] Re. LUSOFONIA AS SEEN FROM INDIA
http://www.GOANET.org This month's Goanet operations sponsored by Mrs. Daisy Faleiro If you would like to sponsor Goanet's operations contact: Herman Carneiro - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Mervyn, I just cannot believe that you deny that Goa was ever connected to Portugal. You must be blind or you have no idea what Goa was all about. I wonder which post members of this forum will find more entertaining: Eduardo Faleiro's or yours. There is no doubt that there was a considerable section of the Goan community that was very much connected to Portugal. I agree that some would be of the opinion that it was a master-slave relationship but certainly not all. How many sons of Goa went to further studies in Portugal and became eminent Portuguese Goans as Doctors, Engineers, Judges, Architects, Bishops, Ambassadors and even Province Governors! And I am not talking about catholics only. Even Hindus! Even Nehru recognised that some Goans wanted the Portuguese to remain in Goa and this is not a rumour or an allegation. There is documentary evidence as I will describe below. On August 15, 1954, Nehru and his advisors (the Government of the Indian Union) instigated and sponsored a public demonstration - satyagraha movement - against Goa. The demonstration was highly advertised all over India and inside Portuguese India. Inside the Portuguese territories, hardly anything happened which was worth reporting but Nehru thought that lots of Goan emigrants that used to live in India (mainly Bombay) would join the movement and enter the frontier of Goa together with the other Indians who were organizing the demonstration. Only 15 from the total number of demonstrators were Goans. I believe this was the first time Nehru understood that there were indeed many Goans against the merger of Goa with India, including the thousands of Goans living in Bombay. The whole episode is described in great detail in Leo Lawrence [1962, p. 50-61]. Anyway, faced with the failure of the demonstration of August 15, 1954, Nehru's advisors asked him: "What if the Goans are against the merger of Goa into the Indian Union". And Nehru replied: "We are for such a merger! We desire, we demand it; and we represent the will of four hundred million people. The Goans are a bare seven hundred thousand, and therefore our will, the will of the majority must prevail. Therefore the Goans position, the Portuguese position is wrong and untenable." This was also the reasoning that was echoed so well in the sermon of the Cardinal Archbishop of Bombay to which His Eminence emphasized: "To accept freedom, which is the birthright of every individual, the consent of the recipient is not necessary..." But did we get our freedom to choose if we wanted to merge? No we did not! Anyway, going back to Nehru and also connected to other posts in this forum, the truth is that I did not see any documentary evidence if Nehru really referred to Goans as cooks and butlers. However, let me tell you that there is documentary evidence that on September 6, 1955, in reply to an interpellation in the Upper House of the Indian Parliament, Nehru was making an astoundingly frank declaration on behalf of his Government, to the effect that he claimed the following "we are not prepared to tolerate the presence of the Portuguese in Goa, even if the Goans want them to be there!" Forget pre-1961. Goa of today is still connected to Portugal culturally and so are several other parts of India like Damao, Diu and even remote areas of old Bombay where a mixture of Portuguese language with the local language is still in use. The recent (last year) TV programme "Contacto Goa" broadcasted world wide through RTPi (International Portuguese TV channel) demonstrated exactly the extent to what this is true. I found it unbelievable when I watched but it is indeed true. But I guess you did not watch it, did you? No, I wouldn't have thought so. Best regards Paulo Colaco Dias. > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:goanet- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mervyn Lobo > Sent: 27 February 2007 20:57 > To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! > Subject: Re: [Goanet] Re. LUSOFONIA AS SEEN FROM INDIA > > Eduardo Faleiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Goa was connected to Portugal for 450 years. > > Eduardo Faleiro, > Your post is quite entertaining since you must be one > of the last people on earth that believes Goa was > connected to Portugal. The relationship between > Portugal and Goa was that of Master and Slave. If > anything, Goa was completely disconnected from all > things Portuguese even when it was forced down our > throats.
Re: [Goanet] Re. LUSOFONIA AS SEEN FROM INDIA
http://www.GOANET.org This month's Goanet operations sponsored by Mrs. Daisy Faleiro If you would like to sponsor Goanet's operations contact: Herman Carneiro - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Eduardo Faleiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Goa was connected to Portugal for 450 years. Eduardo Faleiro, Your post is quite entertaining since you must be one of the last people on earth that believes Goa was connected to Portugal. The relationship between Portugal and Goa was that of Master and Slave. If anything, Goa was completely disconnected from all things Portuguese even when it was forced down our throats. Secondly, some Goans struggled all their lives to regain their independence, their own voice. The last Portuguese ruler (and last straw) was Salazar who arrested any person who wanted freedom of expression. Come to think of it, so do you. The NRI Convention started with you shouting down delegates on the first day and arresting others on the next. I am glad that you are going to be an embarrassment to all Goans for only a short time more. Mervyn3.0 PS. Its well known among members here that although post are sent from your email address, your assistants do not let you to see the feed back. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[Goanet] Re. LUSOFONIA AS SEEN FROM INDIA
http://www.GOANET.org This month's Goanet operations sponsored by Mrs. Daisy Faleiro If you would like to sponsor Goanet's operations contact: Herman Carneiro - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Re. LUSOFONIA AS SEEN FROM INDIA Lusofonia is a movement which links Portuguese speaking nations. It does, however, attempt to associate some other countries including India and China. It is then a possible platform for the dialogue of cultures, so relevant to our troubled times. Goa was connected to Portugal for 450 years. At present, there are in Goa several institutions, governmental and non-governmental, which offer courses in Portuguese language and culture. The Goa University has a full fledged Department of Portuguese which conducts diploma courses and courses at graduate and post-graduate level. These courses are held in collaboration with the Instituto Camoes. The University has also a Chair on Brazilian Studies. The Goa University has cultural and scientific agreements with the Universities of Aveiro, Porto, the Universidade Moderna de Lisboa and the Instituto do Oriente. It proposes to enhance its activities in collaboration with the Instituto Camoes as well as Universities of Portugal, Brazil, Mozambique and Macau. The Fundacao Oriente promotes the study of Portuguese language and culture through a wide range of projects in Goa and elsewhere in India. The Xavier Centre of Historical Research has been a pioneer in the teaching of Portuguese in Goa. It has an excellent library and a fine museum of Indo-Portuguese art. The Indo-Portuguese Friendship Society and several other private organizations also foster the study of Portuguese. Whilst Goa, Daman and Diu are the main link to Lusofonia they are not its only expression. The Jawaharlal Nehru University of Delhi, the Jadavpur University in Kolkata and the University of Pondicherry have courses in Portuguese language and culture. Indian business enterprises with a global reach retain some staff knowledgeable in Portuguese, one of the major languages of the world. The President of the Portuguese Republic, Prof. Cavaco e Silva was in India last January. During his meetings with our leaders, whilst the accent was on strengthening trade and investment, the cultural dimension was not overlooked. A Cultural Exchange Programme and an Education Exchange Programme for the years 2007-2009 were finalized on this occasion. Memoranda of Understanding (MOUs) were signed between the Delhi University and the Institute Camoes and also between the Jawaharlal Nehru University and the Institute of Social Sciences, Business Studies and Technology of Portugal. During my recent visit to Lisbon it was suggested that a Chair in Hindi and Indian Contemporary Culture, funded by the Government of India, should be created at the Instituto dos Estudos Orientais in that city. I have recommended this proposal to the Ministry of External Affairs. Translation of Indian literature into Portuguese and of Portuguese literature into Hindi and other Indian languages would be welcome. Indian authors such as V.S.Naipaul and Salman Rushdie have been translated into Portuguese and the work of Portuguese writers like Fernando Pessoa and Jose Saramago is available in Indian languages. There has always been cultural interaction in terms of art, music, dance etc across a common ocean between India and the countries of East Africa, including those of Portuguese expression. Such cultural cooperation should be strengthened. A structured Dialogue could be held biennially, alternatively in India and in Portugal or other member countries of Lusofonia, to explore common perspectives on the global issues of Peace and Development. Lusofonia connects the countries whose official language is Portuguese; yet, the lusofone space is broader. It associates several countries of Asia and of East Africa. These are countries with strong cultural linkages with India and their participation as observers in the CPLP opens possibilities for a constructive interaction among us all. (The writer is a former Union Minister. This article is based on his address to the First International Congress on Lusofonia held in Lisbon this February. )
