[Goanet] Think of Goa...............
- Original Message - From: floriano lobo To: Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:33 AM Subject: Re: Think of Goa... Dear , When was GSRP not effectively 'hard-hitting'??? Hwever, it does not hit below the belt, has not done it before and will not do it in the future. Thank you for the appreciation. I am publishing this post of yours without your ID etc. GSRP does not want to use it's friends in the scheme of things and let them suffer. Cheers floriano goasuraj 9890470896 - Original Message - From:. To: floriano.l...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:22 AM Subject: Re: Think of Goa... Florian-bab: I enjoyed this post immensely. Factual, hard hitting, eye opening and eloquent. Thank you very very much. Will respond to you in person as I don't want to do it publicly over the cyber-space. Never mind, I love my Goa more than those Indian boot lickers. The Goa Su-Raj Party seems more like the answer to Goa's woes. Both of the main parties have shown their true colours and need to be booted out, after looting and pillaging our once beautiful Goa. Regards,
Re: [Goanet] Think of Goa(ns), Chief Minister : We are Indians First : BY FLORIANO LOBO OF GOA SU-RAJ PARTY - GSRP
This has reference to the article that it cites, not to the crap from Floriano below. The article by Brig. da Costa is at the following link: http://heraldingoa.blogspot.com/p/opinion.html I understand where the brigadier comes from, and I share his anguish, but not all of his explicit opinions and premises. Specifically, there are only two implicit points on which I agree with Brig. da Costa: 1. That in India most of us do not have any concern for how our selfish actions affect our fellow countrymen in all spheres of life. 2. That many of us are content with having an attitude of hopelessness and contempt towards our own country. In Goa, among some misguided folk and failed politicians, this translates into rejection of their allegiance to India . In my opinion, this attitude is also one of the root causes of the ills that afflict our country. As far as the rest of the brigadier's rant is concerned, most of the assumptions in it are demonstrably false. Here are some of those erroneous assumptions: Brig. da Costa wrote: > > When we look at other advanced countries like the USA, Russia, UK, or > small emerging countries, like Bosnia, Herzegovina, Slovakia or the > Czech Republic, we find that they are fiercely united and their > citizens are patriotic to the core. They are ready to fight for their > country and will not tolerate anyone saying anything disparaging > against their leaders or their country. > Not all of these countries are advanced. Russia is far more corrupt than India. Bosnia and Herzegovina are one and the same country. Disparagement of their leaders is extremely common in all of these countries. Indeed, it is a good and essential feature of a democracy. The fact that such disparagement was suppressed by the British and the Portuguese in our autocratic colonial past is precisely one of the main reasons that some misguided elements among us have a distorted rosy view of these periods in our history. Brig. da Costa wrote: > > The opposition parties > instead of joining hands with the government and trying to solve the > problems are only beating the drum and blaming the government for > every ill that takes place. > This is a feature of all vibrant democracies. Please see above. Brig. da Costa wrote: > > Once upon a time, India was considered a spiritually motivated > country, where love for our brethren, peace and tranquility prevailed > and where people came from foreign lands to meditate below Banyan > trees and listen to discourses by our saints and gurus. > There never was such a time in India's history. It is found only in Amar Chitra katha's version of Indian history. Brig. da Costa wrote: > >We have lost > our way by aping the West. Elders are misbehaving and going after > money and other worldly pursuits and sex. Children are being spoilt by > sparing the rod at home and humiliating the teachers in school. Moral > science is not being taught in school and boys and girls have started > liaisons and love affairs in schools and colleges. > This is a contradiction. If we have lost our way aping the west then how come some countries in the west are doing so much better than us? Brig. da Costa wrote: > >This is a far cry > from the India of even the last century. Schools and colleges were > once considered the temples for learning and teachers were revered. > Today due to our materialistic approach and longing for luxuries > things have changed for the worse. > This widespread assumption that India is worse off today than in the past is also demonstrably false. India is better off today than at any time in the past 200 years, in terms of almost every parameter that can be properly, objectively and meaningfully compared at different times during this period. This is also true of Goa. Cheers, Santosh From: floriano lobo > > Dears, > > I had marked off two sensitive pieces of write-up in the 'OPINION' > columns of the HERALD to read at leisure. One piece by Jose Maria Miranda > captioned "Think of Goa(ns), Chief Minister" [H-23feb13-Pg8] and the > other by Brig [Retd] Ian Da Costa captioned " We are Indians First" > [H-26feb13-Pg8], both, Goans of impeccable standing and my cordial friends. > This write-up does not seek to challenge their right to say what has been > said. > It is only that I want to interpret these writings as going against the fiber > of > being a GOAN from former 'INDIA PORTUGUESA' which remains GOA minus the > PORTUGUESE. >
Re: [Goanet] Think of Goa(ns), Chief Minister : We are Indians First : BY FLORIANO LOBO OF GOA SU-RAJ PARTY - GSRP
Dears, I had marked off two sensitive pieces of write-up in the 'OPINION' columns of the HERALD to read at leisure. One piece by Jose Maria Miranda captioned "Think of Goa(ns), Chief Minister" [H-23feb13-Pg8] and the other by Brig [Retd] Ian Da Costa captioned " We are Indians First" [H-26feb13-Pg8], both, Goans of impeccable standing and my cordial friends. This write-up does not seek to challenge their right to say what has been said. It is only that I want to interpret these writings as going against the fiber of being a GOAN from former 'INDIA PORTUGUESA' which remains GOA minus the PORTUGUESE. And, when I read something as important as things which are written by Goans I admire, the central idea behind which these write-ups is noted in my mind's eye. Once this is firmly lodged in the psyche, it neither can be changed nor diluted. Therefore, here we go: On Jose Maria Miranda's piece: All I can say is that he is totally frustrated with the performance of his Chief Minister Manohar Parrikar and instead of flatly rebuking him of walking in his past footsteps that saw him out and into the cold and asking him to step down, he still has hopes that he [CM] will and can perform and goes a step forward to go on his knees to beg him to perform for the sake of GOA which, BTW is his [CM's] too. My advice to Jose Maria Miranda is : If your senses tell you that the man is not a performer, but likes to play to the gallery, just dump him. If modern day Jesus Christ does not perform, he needs to be nailed at the cross and a new Jesus Christ needs to be found who will perform. Jose Maria Miranda must understand that if one wants to perform, one will. If one does not want to perform, one will not. Begging the person to perform reduces one's self-respect. Jose Maria Miranda should keep his self-respect. On Brig. Ian Da Costa's piece, a lot has been written in my mind's tablet while it was being assimilated. This write-up is an excellent 'sermon, fit to be delivered from the pulpit. It doesn't cut ice as an advice to GOANS. When he says: "When will we be united and behave as INDIANS FIRST?" my instant reaction was: 'Is he addressing Indians or his fellow Goans?' If it was the latter, then the good Brigadier has failed to impress, as, at least one of his fellow Goans considers himself A GOAN and not an Indian by choice but by the force of the gun-barrel. And to explain this, let me put forth the following arguments. (a)Goa was a Portuguese Colony since 1510 known or called as INDIA PORTUGUESA when today's INDIA got it's name and it's independence in 1947. Goa was not the 'constituent assembly' of the newly formed INDIA when the present constitution was deliberated, approved and adopted as the Constitution of India. Therefore the Constitution of India does not extend to GOA. That Goa, even to this day remains unqualified to be mentioned in India's National Anthem, the JANA GANA MANA is another matter altogether and just as well. (b) Perhaps the good Brigadier needs to be patriotic towards INDIA because he got himself inducted into it's fighting machinery and is brainwashed. Thankfully, he was too young when GOA was invaded and annexed by India's military. If he was part and parcel of the invasion and the ousting of the Portuguese from GOA and going back to the barracks, it would be appreciated. But it is bad that he is part and parcel of the Indian Army that remained in Goa to enjoy the SPOILS OF WAR, forgetting that it's barracks were elsewhere and not GOA. If the Army had done that, it would be Liberation of Goa from the Portuguese. But unfortunately, it is the other way round. Example: Army declaring Marshal law in Goa post invasion and intimidating and harassing Goans who served in erstwhile Goa's Administration. Navy occupying Dabolim Civilian Airport, has it's fingers in the pot cooking MOPA to consolidate it's position over Dabolim for all times. (c) Nehru reneging on his promises: Quote I want to explain myself. If the people of Goa, that is, minus the Portuguese Government - if and when the Portuguese go and the people of Goa deliberately wish to retain their separate identity - I am not going to bring them by force or compulsion or coercion into the Indian Union. I merely say that my national interest involves the removal of the Portuguese from Goa, not coercion being used in bringing about the union of Goa with India, although I wish it, I desire it and it is the only solution. That is a matter ultimately for the people of Goa to decide. I want to make it perfectly clear that I have no desire to coerce Goa to join India against the wishes of the people of Goa. But the point is that we feel that Goa's individuality should remain and that whenever the time comes for any changes, internal or other, it will be for the people of Goa acting freely to decide upon them. Unquote So, how were Goans f
