Re: [Goanet] WORLD GOA DAY CONTROVERSY - Terminal?
I would say the person who builds a sustainable base for the project deserves the credit. So does those who keep on at it, with consistency. Money will come and money will go, but building social capital is an asset that lasts, and lasts, and lasts. Even as all kind of dubious forces are making the most of the real estate values garnered by the 'kudds' (clubs, to some) in Bombay, we have to remember an institution that enabled hundreds of thousands to migrate to the Big City and first set up base there! Well run cyber-projects, even if their orientation is primarily inspirational, are the cyber-kudds of the 21st century. FN On 29/08/06, Miguel Braganza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dears, This is an interesting discussion. Once it is concluded WHO started WGD, please let me know. I am curious. Curiosity killed only a cat. While we are at it, I would like to state that the person who sends the first 100 Euros/dollars or pounds sterling will be designated the originator of the Gift a football project. At least the boys in the villages of Goa will have a ball to play withnot reports of WGD held in faraway places to read about. -- --- Frederick Noronha http://fn.goa-india.org 9822122436 +91-832-240-9490 http://fredericknoronha.wordpress.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] WORLD GOA DAY CONTROVERSY - Terminal?
Dears, This is an interesting discussion. Once it is concluded WHO started WGD, please let me know. I am curious. Curiosity killed only a cat. While we are at it, I would like to state that the person who sends the first 100 Euros/dollars or pounds sterling will be designated the originator of the Gift a football project. At least the boys in the villages of Goa will have a ball to play withnot reports of WGD held in faraway places to read about. Viva Goa. Miguel ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] WORLD GOA DAY CONTROVERSY - a response to Francis Rodrigues
My dear Francis, Once again, I thank you for the courtesy and civility you extend in your replies. Please accept my para bens for your achievement and work in the field of corporate law. I do have some questions comments though ...and here they go: 1: re: 'intellectual property' and WGD: Would you please direct me to the Government Organisation with which legal information and registration (wrt World Goa Day) has been deposited? Would you also please advise us in whose name the 'patent', 'copyright' etc has been registered ...and when?. 2: re: 'economy with the truth' and Goans: Thus far, it has been my experience that the Goans I know well, are pretty straightforward with me. I can only offer my sympathies if that has not been your experience with Goans. 3: re: 'Theft': I believe that most common law jurisdictions will require atleast Appropriation in the Actus Rea, Dishonesty as part of the Mens Rea for it to be a theft. And that (I submit again) would be an objective test based upon a Ghosh direction. Would you agree? Are you saying that the 5 (I believe) prerequisites for Theft have been met wrt to the WGD idea? So, If I may ask again ...From WHOM was this IDEA of WGD appropriated ? 4: re: Sardars and levity: It is my personal (unlearned) opinion that in many civilian jurisdictions, Racial/Ethnic comments attract special attention when it comes to 'sentencing'. Do you agree? 5: re: Toronto Goanetters WGD lunch and the money raised for Konkani: I can only say Shabash. Yes, ULO is moving to the centre. This latest edition is in Konkani which is far less contrived than the Super-Natent and Gulabi Konkani which need (as Mr. Parrikar noted about one of the papers) a dictionary to understand! Once again ... Thanks for your attention sincerely jc = WORLD GOA DAY CONTROVERSY Francis Rodrigues wrote: Dear Jose, 1: I'm now into corporate law, but as an attorney, handled a number of briefs in the field of 'intellectual property'. 2: Being economical with the truth comes easily to many, including our own Goans - Rene is not immune. 3: If you Google 'World Goa Day founder' only Rene's name appearsYou can google last year's GV Canada, for a clear Goa Day msg from Rene himself, headlined as Founder. 4: There is no cause for being disingenuous. IP - intellectual property - is an individual's own creation, idea, invention. 5: Stealing this is outright theft; of his/her idea good name. 6: There are a huge number of unanswered questions as to the use and abuse of WGD. 7: I needed to inject levity, instead of acrimony, into the WGD controversy, hence the Sardar ref! 8: We had a small Goanetters WGD lunch in Toronto yesterday. At the end we raised a modest sum for Konkani. Now if every WGD function tried the same everywhere, every year, wouldn't that be a real WGD, a 'Wonderful Goa Day'? ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] WORLD GOA DAY CONTROVERSY - Terminal?
From: Francis Rodrigues Dear Jose, I know you as a kind, caring physician. However I do also recognize that arguing with you is a thankless task all round - for the reader, the writer, the netter. Why don't you stick to medicine, and leave the law to others? Your patient (RB) is not terminal - as yet. I'm sure he does not need you to defend him, his vocal chords are yet in order - we have been hearing them loud enough in cyberspace for half a dozen years now ! It is time to let him speak for himself. Secondhand is second-guessing. You asked for proof of your patient's WGD claims. When supplied you did not refute them. Now you are being disingenuous again, quoting the letter of the law. Let's cut to the chase - a simple yes or no will do. Is Rene Barretto the founder and originator of the World Goa Day idea ? Has WGD done anything concrete for Goa? Kind regards, Francis. Dear Francis, With due respect, I do not see why I (jc) should have to stick to medicine. From what I see, You (Francis) have claimed (expressly or impliedly) the propriety (of the WGD idea) on your behalf (or another) on the basis of International Property laws. Can you defend that claim? Next, you (Francis) have accused Rene of Theft. Can you prove that accusations? jc doesn't know who is the founder and originator of the World Goa Day idea jc couldn't care less You (Francis) on the other hand have claimed that Rene is NOT the founder and originator of the World Goa Day idea It probably means a lot to you BUT can you prove that he is NOT? I regret to inform you Francis that you might be right about arguing with me. It is indeed Thanklessespecially when You cannot defend an accusation you make against another. It is also a way out or as some may call it 'an escape clause' I will assume - based on the discussion we have had thus far - that unless proved otherwise: 1: You (Francis) do NOT have ANY Claim (on your behalf or that of another) with regards to being the founder and originator of the World Goa Day idea. 2: You have falsely accused Rene of Theft (and I'm sure you know what that means) of the founder and originator of the World Goa Day idea If anyone else had made that accusation, it would have been excusable. But ...you are a lawyer. Surely you know what entails the IP claims and Theft accusations. Do you not? Hence unless you submit the Proof of Theft or withdraw this accusation, it is indeed pointless continuing this controversy with jc. Since jc did not start it, it is NOT up to jc to end it. One final note with due respect, please be advised that (jc) does NOT have to stick to medicine. good wishes as always jc ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] WORLD GOA DAY CONTROVERSY
Dear Jose, I'm now into corporate law, but as an attorney, handled a number of briefs in the field of 'intellectual property'. Being economical with the truth comes easily to many, including our own Goans - Rene is not immune. If you Google 'World Goa Day founder' only Rene's name appears, in a number of self-promotional postings, including the msg. section of his own goaday.com and prominent Goan websites like the 'Goan Voice'. You can google last year's GV Canada, for a clear Goa Day msg from Rene himself, headlined as Founder. There is no cause for being disingenuous. IP - intellectual property - is an individual's own creation, idea, invention. Stealing this is outright theft; of his/her idea good name. We are all more than delighted to honour Rene as the Promoter of Goa Day. Let's take it from there. There are a huge number of unanswered questions as to the use and abuse of WGD. The groundswell continues to rise by the hour - today itself you can read Helga R. Gomes and Roland Francis - two of GN's more accomplished writers. I needed to inject levity, instead of acrimony, into the WGD controversy, hence the Sardar ref! As to the Scout motto, that was just a friendly nudge to Be Prepared. We all skim and dance on the surface, parrying thrusts in our little cyber-world skirmishes. But often, weapons of mass destruction lie just beneath. WGD must never die. It is up to us to breathe life rationale relevance into it. We had a small Goanetters WGD lunch in Toronto yester- day. At the end we raised a modest sum for Konkani. Now if every WGD function tried the same everywhere, every year, wouldn't that be a real WGD, a 'Wonderful Goa Day'? http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ With every good wish, FR. ... Dear Francis, Once again, I thank you for the civility in your communications to me. Having said that, I will let your characterization (on this forum) of Sardars, remain entirely yoursI'd like to suggest that IF you possess any evidence that the good Rene Baretto has ever claimed that He is the originator of the World Goa Day idea, please post it here. time. Perhaps, someday you will tell us what relevance the Scout motto has with my posting wrt World Goa Day. with the best of wishes jose ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
