Re: [Goanet] Floriano's Sunday Ramblings-10 and -Vivek's response

2006-07-10 Thread Floriano Lobo
- Original Message - From: Vivek [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 9:26 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Floriano's sunday rambling

Foriano says:
 And come to think of it, it is not surprising that  some ex-pat Goans have
taken it on themselves to  lecture us at Goa Su-Raj  on the need of a
'national  party' to rule us in Goa. Whatever happened to the  regional
pride, I wonder!

Vivek:
If the reference is to my comments earlier i would  like to coment some
more:

Floriano: I must admit that the reference is right and you are most welcom.

Vivek:
The idea that a regional party with a  state centric  agenda will benefit
the state has been debunked in the  past. If history is any indicator almost
all regional  outfits have started out with lofty principles and  have
degenerated into dynastic corrupt regimes  pandering to chauvinist
aspirations of their constituents. Regional pride has never helped anyone!

Floriano: That is according to you. You may hold whatever opinion you want.
But according to me you are blatantly wrong. If your opinion is the right
one than why don't Punjabis call themselves just Indians? Likewise Sindhis,
Gujaratis, Maharashtrians. Bengalis, Goans etc. Let us call ourselves
Indians like Japanenese call themselves Japanese...  Lofty ideals???
Comunidades is lofty ideals? Good Governance sans graft is lofty ideals?
These are not lofty ideals but practical ideals, ideals that we all  live
with, eat and breathe. Those who pander to chauvinist aspirations are
political con-men. And you should be smart enough to identify them.  Don't
put everyone in the same basket.

Vivek:
Frederick was correct in saying that one must appeal  to all sections of
society in order to be politically  acceptable. One can not just aspire to
win power and  rule solely based on a set of principles , however  ideal
those may be.

Floriano:
First off, Frederick must know who he is addressing these standard sentences
to. I have told him to read our Road Map first and then make his comments,
if he is talking about Goa Su-Raj. Standard lines just to make one's point
fluid, do not apply to Goa Su-Raj because we have seen to it that we have
eliminated all biases and differences between classes of Goan people and
have made Goa Su-Raj fully and universally representative of Goa and Goans.
One cannot just aspire to win power and rule solely based on a set of
principles??  Do you yourself know what you are talking about?? Principles,
for your kind information, are Principles. There are no these principles and
those principles.There are no ' superior' principles and 'inferior'
principles.  There are no 'good' and 'bad' principles. If you want to argue,
do your homework well. I read each and every word that is being said.

Vivek:
As far as the Portuguese punishments go, does Floriano  believe it was ok
for the Portuguese police to detain  two seemingly innocent individuals and
violate their  human rights by shaving off their xendis? Is this the  kind
of policing that Floriano wants to implement?


Floriano:
Just remember that the Portuguese regime was a dictatorship. And dictators
do not recognise even humans,forget about human rights. Remember Hitler,
Milosevich et al??.   What I was conveying by those happenings is that the
punishment was light but on the spot and mostly very humiliating. That is
why there were no crimes (relatively as now) in Goa during that regime.
Sure, you give me half a chance and I shall do just that. Someone has to put
the lousy democracy into the pocket the moment approprite laws are made
before the democracy puts us into its pockets, like the one we have in Goa
now.

Vivek:
Bhausaheb bandodkar was a visionary and a product of  his times. To heap
scorn on him not only reflects a  poor understanding of goas history but is
also an  indicator of a biased mindset. Bhau may not have been  flawless but
to tar all his actions with tne brush is  unfair.


Floriano:
Oh yes! His vision of Goa was a kaleidoscope of technicolor of merger with
Maharashtra. His Tenancy Act was so visionary that it wiped off the
centuries old indegenous GAUNKARIES (Portuguese applelation Comunidades).
And those GAUNKARIES  were the brainchild of our forefathers where Bandodkar
was not the inheritor but we Goans were and are. Goa's Orchards, cultivable
fields all went the same visionary way to the tenants  because these  were
predominantly held by Goan Hindus. However Goa's 'SALT PANS' didn't figure
in Bandodkar's vision because these were held predominantly by Christians
(95 %). Please check your statistics and tell me I am wrong.  Bandodkar was
absolutely communal,  and,  you don't have to take my word for it. Listen to
what Adv. Amrut Kansar has to say or has said and probably say no more. Mr.
Kansar was part of Bandodkar's gang at one time.  And the man of 'letters'
Mr. Atre's ( a Maharashtrian) special title for Bandodkar is 'MATRAGANINI' .
It is the Marathi word.  If you don't know the meaning, 

[Goanet] floriano's Sunday Ramblings-10

2006-07-09 Thread Floriano Lobo
And it was refreshing to read Sucheta Potnis' piece in the GT (Jul 4,
2006) captioned Fitting Punishment, the on the spot purges for
peeing in public, for erratic driving, no matter who, for ejecting
garbage missiles of  plastic bags out from two wheelers, cars and
buses etc.  And I promise Sucheta that when Goa Su-Raj takes over
Goa's governance from these existing political hyenas, who, through
their incompetence and 'arslekar' attitude to consolidate their
vote-banks,  have inadvertently cultivated  these seemingly minor
irritants which actually are the biggest  headaches, will stop
automatically before one could say jack-robbins, for, this is the most
prized recipe that we at Goa Su-Raj have been refining on, to replace
the fine-chalans,  arrests and court cases, with on the spot simple
but humiliating purges. And this recipe has been cooking with us on
the line of the erstwhile Portuguese regime. And it would not be
proper for me not to give a couple of examples of the effective recipe
used by the Portuguese in Goa.

Ex 1:  Seems a young Dhobitalao  (Bombay) toughie was in Goa to stand
by the side of  a dear friend getting married, as his  'BESTMAN',
sporting a  Michael Jackson/Rajesh Khanna hair-style. It is believed
that at the Panjim-Betim ferry crossing this young toughie got into an
argument with the policeman (soldad) over some silly misdemeanor.  He
was hauled to the Police station pronto,  where he  probably  and
proudly confessed that he was  in Goa to be the bestman for his
friend. Next twenty minutes he was walking back to the ferry, sporting
only half the hair do with the other half cleanly shaved off. Good-bye
'DEHD'EA'  (the Konkani word for  bestman). This lad would probably
give a  wide berth to a policeman on duty throughout his entire life.
A lesson well learnt?.

Ex. 2: As I well remember those good old days, the Portuguese police
used to patrol at random at the dead of the night. During one such
patrol at Siolim, a couple of guys were seen squatting/sleeping in the
verandah of a closed house. The patrol hauled them up to the Mapusa
quartel (PS) thinking that they were thieves. On questioning, this duo
told the police that they were friends and neighbours and that they
always sleep in the verandah at night. Both came out in the morning
with a stern warning to sleep in their own houses henceforth but
without their XHENDIs ( typical Indian strip of long hair at the back
of the head) that both were sporting. Surprise of Surprises !. This
particular action by the Portuguese police was to become the duo's
passport to get into the list of Goa's freedom fighters.  And one of
them has been recently honoured at Goa's Azad Maidan at the hands of
our esteemed Governor and the Chief Minister. Yes! Have a good laugh.

And once again the Official Language of Goa, our 'Mai Bhas' has come
to haunt us Goans with  Devnagri versus Romi conflict in the making.
And as usual, the government of the day, which is the legitimate
Government of Goa,  when dealing with this sensitive issue of the
State's official language, has coyly and irresponsibly passed it on to
its  High Command in Delhi.  instead of putting its heads together and
coming to a mutual understanding to solve the problem. And, look who
is talking about  'Communal disruptions' !!  What communal disruptions
are the mergerists talking about??? Why?? Is the Congress lead
coalition incapable of solving this Goa Centric problem, which is the
legitimate demand of Goans? What has Goans got to do with the
Congress' Delhi High Command and Madame Sonia Gandhi?. Or, for that
matter, with  any Command at all?  The people of Goa are indeed
foolish. They cannot see the foot that is kicking them in their butts,
but are content to lick the hand that is slapping them in their faces,
 all with  greedy hopes that the  very hand will feed them
sufficiently well and even pat their backs for them for enduring the
kicks and slaps.  Louts of the first order that we Goans are, I say.
Instead of kicking the Congress  out of Goa and onto Delhi, we are
tolerating it. And Churchill has made it his business to eat in the
Congress plate with one hand and brush the food off the plate with the
other.  That way he is going to be a very  hungry man in times to
come. And come to think of it, it is not surprising that  some ex-pat
Goans have taken it on themselves to lecture us at Goa Su-Raj  on the
need of a 'national party' to rule us in Goa. Whatever happened to the
regional pride, I wonder!  How submissive and bankrupt could we
become,  is the question our future generations will have to answer
for us. And, in what way are we wrong at Goa Su-Raj when we ask Goans
to say 'Yes'  to Goa's own Command in Goa??  KONKANI  in any script is
still KONKANI, our ' MOTHER TONGUE'.  And who is Adv. Uday Bhembre to
tell us otherwise or Madam Sonia Gandhi to decide for us?? Let our
KONKANI be expressed in as many scripts as possible and let  Goans
enjoy the benefits of them all.  This way