Re: [Goanet] Coconut Water Good For Your Daughter!

[W.F.]

 absolutely NO to 45 rs. .. 
On Wednesday, February 20, 2019, 4:57:36 PM GMT+4, Bernice Pereira 
 wrote:  
 
 Excellent idea - promoting coconut water. But not at Rs.45 a coconut please. 
My elders must be rolling in their graves.

Bernice Pereira 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 20-Feb-2019, at 9:58 AM, Joao Barros-Pereira  
> wrote:
> 
> Coconut Water Good For Your Daughter!
> 
> While a young lad growing up in Bangalore I would often hear this
> refrain: Coconut water is good for your daughter, Nilgiri buns good
> for you sons!
> 
> The sons of south India today are more into computers than buns, as
> Bangalore and other parts in the south are firmly in the 21st century,
> and the girls, too,  are not particularly interested in coconuts -
> tender or otherwise.
> 
> Muthalik is of the opinion Bangalore girls would rather have a
> cocktail than anything else; and, of course, he does not approve of
> this kind of behavior. But how about a coconut fenny cocktail?
> 
> Goans have given the coconut tree a special place in our hearts  - a
> resurrection from a no-tree status by a few misguided people. Anyway,
> why not make the coconut cocktail the official cocktail of Goa? Life,
> they say, goes on and things change, and maybe it is time to drink to
> that!
> 
> Our Agriculture Minister Vijay Sardesai has announced the promotion of
> tender coconuts in a big way for Goa. In some countries, there are
> soft drinks available which contain vitamins, especially vitamins c,
> fiber, and other goodies. We can promote the coconut tree, especially
> the tender coconut water everywhere in Goa. A nice touch in the land
> of Goenkarponn. An antidote to combat aerated drinks which we all know
> does not promote good health, only diabetes. Let's raise a glass to
> our Agriculture Minister for his positive and creative thinking, a
> quality always in short supply in Goa.
> 
> Coconut Corner can become a place of honor in every village market in
> Goa where coconuts - tender and ripe - can be sold along with sweets
> and other coconut delicacies, including coconut artifacts, anything
> related to the tree and fruit. No way should increased FAR be given to
> builders if they grow coconut trees. Why single out the builders for
> special privileges, the logic of which escapes every bona fide Goenkar
> except a bondo. Somehow every politician in Goa wants to bring in the
> builder through the backdoor. Beware! Next our IT Parks soon will have
> more coconut trees than a coconut grove.
> 
> Goa's coconut culture is in the limelight, and fast forward. It looks
> like the Goa Forward Party is on the right foot and taking our state
> in the right direction - on this issue.
> 
> On other issues, I reserve my opinion. A step forward is good; please,
> however, don't take two steps backward after this!  

Re: [Goanet] Coconut Water and Organics

[W.F.]

 Well said Joao and hope its starts sooner in Goa...the Goa Coconut Water 
and soon wd gardening competitions for organic garden.. all over Goa to 
encourage home gardens..and village veggies fresh.. and benefit all our Local 
Goans.. Viva Goa 
 
On Wednesday, February 20, 2019, 12:47:23 PM GMT+4, Joao Barros-Pereira 
 wrote:  
 
 Coconut Water Good For Your Daughter!

While a young lad growing up in Bangalore I would often hear this
refrain: Coconut water is good for your daughter, Nilgiri buns good
for you sons!

The sons of south India today are more into computers than buns, as
Bangalore and other parts in the south are firmly in the 21st century,
and the girls, too,  are not particularly interested in coconuts -
tender or otherwise.

Muthalik is of the opinion Bangalore girls would rather have a
cocktail than anything else; and, of course, he does not approve of
this kind of behavior. But how about a coconut fenny cocktail?

Goans have given the coconut tree a special place in our hearts  - a
resurrection from a no-tree status by a few misguided people. Anyway,
why not make the coconut cocktail the official cocktail of Goa? Life,
they say, goes on and things change, and maybe it is time to drink to
that!

Our Agriculture Minister Vijay Sardesai has announced the promotion of
tender coconuts in a big way for Goa. In some countries, there are
soft drinks available which contain vitamins, especially vitamins c,
fiber, and other goodies. We can promote the coconut tree, especially
the tender coconut water everywhere in Goa. A nice touch in the land
of Goenkarponn. An antidote to combat aerated drinks which we all know
does not promote good health, only diabetes. Let's raise a glass to
our Agriculture Minister for his positive and creative thinking, a
quality always in short supply in Goa.

Coconut Corner can become a place of honor in every village market in
Goa where coconuts - tender and ripe - can be sold along with sweets
and other coconut delicacies, including coconut artifacts, anything
related to the tree and fruit. No way should increased FAR be given to
builders if they grow coconut trees. Why single out the builders for
special privileges, the logic of which escapes every bona fide Goenkar
except a bondo. Somehow every politician in Goa wants to bring in the
builder through the backdoor. Beware! Next our IT Parks soon will have
more coconut trees than a coconut grove.

Goa's coconut culture is in the limelight, and fast forward. It looks
like the Goa Forward Party is on the right foot and taking our state
in the right direction - on this issue.

On other issues, I reserve my opinion. A step forward is good; please,
however, don't take two steps backward after this!
  

Re: [Goanet] Coconut Water Good For Your Daughter!

[Bernice Pereira]

Excellent idea - promoting coconut water. But not at Rs.45 a coconut please. My 
elders must be rolling in their graves.

Bernice Pereira 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 20-Feb-2019, at 9:58 AM, Joao Barros-Pereira  
> wrote:
> 
> Coconut Water Good For Your Daughter!
> 
> While a young lad growing up in Bangalore I would often hear this
> refrain: Coconut water is good for your daughter, Nilgiri buns good
> for you sons!
> 
> The sons of south India today are more into computers than buns, as
> Bangalore and other parts in the south are firmly in the 21st century,
> and the girls, too,  are not particularly interested in coconuts -
> tender or otherwise.
> 
> Muthalik is of the opinion Bangalore girls would rather have a
> cocktail than anything else; and, of course, he does not approve of
> this kind of behavior. But how about a coconut fenny cocktail?
> 
> Goans have given the coconut tree a special place in our hearts  - a
> resurrection from a no-tree status by a few misguided people. Anyway,
> why not make the coconut cocktail the official cocktail of Goa? Life,
> they say, goes on and things change, and maybe it is time to drink to
> that!
> 
> Our Agriculture Minister Vijay Sardesai has announced the promotion of
> tender coconuts in a big way for Goa. In some countries, there are
> soft drinks available which contain vitamins, especially vitamins c,
> fiber, and other goodies. We can promote the coconut tree, especially
> the tender coconut water everywhere in Goa. A nice touch in the land
> of Goenkarponn. An antidote to combat aerated drinks which we all know
> does not promote good health, only diabetes. Let's raise a glass to
> our Agriculture Minister for his positive and creative thinking, a
> quality always in short supply in Goa.
> 
> Coconut Corner can become a place of honor in every village market in
> Goa where coconuts - tender and ripe - can be sold along with sweets
> and other coconut delicacies, including coconut artifacts, anything
> related to the tree and fruit. No way should increased FAR be given to
> builders if they grow coconut trees. Why single out the builders for
> special privileges, the logic of which escapes every bona fide Goenkar
> except a bondo. Somehow every politician in Goa wants to bring in the
> builder through the backdoor. Beware! Next our IT Parks soon will have
> more coconut trees than a coconut grove.
> 
> Goa's coconut culture is in the limelight, and fast forward. It looks
> like the Goa Forward Party is on the right foot and taking our state
> in the right direction - on this issue.
> 
> On other issues, I reserve my opinion. A step forward is good; please,
> however, don't take two steps backward after this!

Re: [Goanet] Coconut feni

[armstrong augusto vaz]

They only deal in cashew not coconut, yes the plant is in Cuncolim, I am
from Cuncolim
Thanks Armstrong
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> Try Vaz enterprises, who have their own bottling plant, I think, in
> Cuncolim. They are situated in Margao, near Grace Church.
>
> On 15 April 2015 at 09:21, armstrong augusto vaz 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> > Which is the best place to get Coconut  feni in South Goa
> > In the days when  you come across adulterered and spurious feni
> > Suggestions welcome
> > Armstrong
> >
>
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Re: [Goanet] Coconut feni

[Gabe Menezes]

Try Vaz enterprises, who have their own bottling plant, I think, in
Cuncolim. They are situated in Margao, near Grace Church.

On 15 April 2015 at 09:21, armstrong augusto vaz 
wrote:

> Hi,
> Which is the best place to get Coconut  feni in South Goa
> In the days when  you come across adulterered and spurious feni
> Suggestions welcome
> Armstrong
>



-- 
DEV BOREM KORUM

Gabe Menezes.

Re: [Goanet] Coconut

[Mervyn Lobo]

joe lobo wrote:
> Your  description  of  Barbados  sounds  like  a  mixture  of  old 
> Zanzibar, Goa  and heaven.my  question  :--is  it 
> an  expensive  tourist  trap  like  any  of  the  other  Carribean  islands 
> or  is  it  affordable to  a middle  class  person  like  myself?   For  one 
> thing  it  is  closer  than  the  rather  long  20  hour air   journey to 
> Goa and  the  irritation  of  a  visa  visit  to  the  Indian  consulate in 
> TO  !!


Juju,
Obtaining a visa for India in Toronto is not an irritation. The process, to me, 
is the height of frustration. I have never been able to obtain one without at 
least three visits to the office. I check on the website for every requirement 
and yet, when I get there, there is another new requirement that has not been 
updated on their website. 

Secondly, they do not accept debit cards, credit cards or cash. The consulate 
demands a money order or postal order as payment. The guy I buy samosa's from, 
on the street corner, accepts a debit card payment for six samosa's or  $4.50.

After you satisfy the Indian consulate with all the documents they require, 
they tell you to return a day later to collect the visa i.e. one has to take 
two days or more off work just to get an Indian visa. Only the very adamant 
traveller will agree to such treatment. The rest, and especially the more 
affluent, will simply pick another country for their vacation.


As far as Barbadoes is concerned, they have free and compulsory education till 
grade 12 and almost 100% literacy. Their transparency index or level of 
corruption is as good or better than Canada's. Some of the beaches there have 
pink coloured sand. Barbadoes does not come cheap. The costs of shooting a wild 
boar in Barbadoes - left behind by the Portuguese - is far more than the cost 
of shooting a Dik Dik in Tanzania. I will agree though that wild boar tastes 
much better.


As for the most value for your dollar, my choice is Cuba. Old town Havana is 
more than reminiscent of Zanzibar. More importantly, there are no loud US 
vacationers there. The natives are real friendly although they are becoming 
more commercial every year.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/45002663@N00/sets/72157633867406564/

Mervyn1650

Re: [Goanet] Coconut

[Jose Colaco]

On May 30, 2013, at 6:29 PM, "  joe lobo"  wrote:

:--is  it an  expensive  tourist  trap  like  any  of  the  other  Carribean  
islands or  is  it  affordable to  a middle  class  person  like  myself?   For 
 one thing  it  is  closer  than  the  rather  long  20  hour air   journey to 
Goa and  the  irritation  of  a  visa  visit  to  the  Indian  consulate in TO  
!!

COMMENT:

For what it is worth:

As one who has been there on Uni work, my impression is as follows:

1: boring
2: expensive
3: cost of accommodation matches neither the quality of the room nor the service
4: beaches of average quality
5: minimum five hour air journey from Eastern seaboard feels like 20 hours
6: waste of time.
7: the working desis I encountered all wanted to know if I could find a job for 
them out west of them.
8: a walk on the Board Walk indicates hotels 'in tears' ...pun intended.

The reasons why after a few trips, I said No Thank you  To any more even 
though they were expenses-paid.

True, that I too live close to the beach etc ...but you are right about the 
rest of the trap bit.

If you really wish a quality holiday in these parts: Not  inexpensive - Direct 
Flights 

Couples ( Jamaica)  Sandals ( Bahamas) and Punta Cana (DR), The Cove -Atlantis 
(Bahamas) or Iberostar Laguna Azul (Cuba)

best

jc

Re: [Goanet] Coconut

[joe lobo]

 Hey  Mervyn,
 Your  description  of  Barbados  sounds  like  a  mixture  of  old 
Zanzibar, Goa  and heaven.my  question  :--is  it 
an  expensive  tourist  trap  like  any  of  the  other  Carribean  islands 
or  is  it  affordable to  a middle  class  person  like  myself?   For  one 
thing  it  is  closer  than  the  rather  long  20  hour air   journey to 
Goa and  the  irritation  of  a  visa  visit  to  the  Indian  consulate in 
TO  !!
- Original Message - 
From: "Mervyn Lobo" 

To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 10:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut


Bosco D wrote:

Josenotwithstanding this thread leading you and our buddies Mervyn &
Rico to be flown by Captain Tobias Wilcox on Coconut Airways flight 372 to
Bridgetown, Barbados [1], your below comment reminded me of a quote
attributed to Steve Jobs aka the Gamechanger:

"A lot of times, people don't know what they want until you show it to 
them"

[2]




Bosco,
1) If there is a place in the Caribbean that is almost like Goa, it has got 
to be Barbados.


a) For starters, its flag has Poseidon's Trident on it.

b) Its fish market - Oistens - has almost the same variety of seafood as the 
Panjim fish market. More importantly, there are women there who buy the 
catch as soon as the fishing boats come in, deep fry the same and serve it 
with a sauce made of bonnet peppers, lime, garlic and coriander with a side 
order of fried breadfruit. The result is close to heaven.


c) Believe it or not, the sea around the island is infested with flying 
fish. The way you go fishing in Barbados is by renting a dory. When you get 
to the fishing grounds, the captain instructs you to stand up in the dory 
carrying a large cardboard panel. Sooner or later you will see a 16 inch 
flying fish get out of the water i.e. 150 yards away and fly straight 
towards you. All you have to do is make sure the flying fish hits your 
cardboard and falls into the boat. The only fish more tasty than a flying 
fish is Kingfish and Bangares.


d) The state of the art cricket stadium there is named after Gary Sobers.

e) Almost forgot, the rum, well, if I mention that, the nation will be 
overwhelmed with tourists and probably lose its charm.




As for 2)
Well my favourite Apple joke is about the actress Gwyneth Paltrow. She named 
her first child Apple. A comedian then remarked that if she had a second 
child, she would have a pair.


Mervyn

Re: [Goanet] Coconut

[Mervyn Lobo]

Bosco D wrote:
>Josenotwithstanding this thread leading you and our buddies Mervyn &
>Rico to be flown by Captain Tobias Wilcox on Coconut Airways flight 372 to
>Bridgetown, Barbados [1], your below comment reminded me of a quote
>attributed to Steve Jobs aka the Gamechanger:
>
>"A lot of times, people don't know what they want until you show it to them"
>[2]



Bosco,
1) If there is a place in the Caribbean that is almost like Goa, it has got to 
be Barbados. 

a) For starters, its flag has Poseidon's Trident on it. 

b) Its fish market  - Oistens - has almost the same variety of seafood as the 
Panjim fish market. More importantly, there are women there who buy the catch 
as soon as the fishing boats come in, deep fry the same and serve it with a 
sauce made of bonnet peppers, lime, garlic and coriander with a side order of 
fried breadfruit. The result is close to heaven.

c) Believe it or not, the sea around the island is infested with flying fish. 
The way you go fishing in Barbados is by renting a dory. When you get to the 
fishing grounds, the captain instructs you to stand up in the dory carrying a 
large cardboard panel. Sooner or later you will see a 16 inch flying fish get 
out of the water i.e. 150 yards away and fly straight towards you. All you have 
to do is make sure the flying fish hits your cardboard and falls into the boat. 
The only fish more tasty than a flying fish is Kingfish and Bangares.

d) The state of the art cricket stadium there is named after Gary Sobers.

e) Almost forgot, the rum, well, if I mention that, the nation will be 
overwhelmed with tourists and probably lose its charm.



As for 2)
Well my favourite Apple joke is about the actress Gwyneth Paltrow. She named 
her first child Apple. A comedian then remarked that if she had a second child, 
she would have a pair.

Mervyn

Re: [Goanet] Coconut

[Jose Colaco]

On May 29, 2013, at 1:15 AM, Bosco D  wrote:

' your  comment reminded me of a quote attributed to Steve Jobs aka the 
Gamechanger:"A lot of times, people don't know what they WANT until you show it 
to them"

COMMENT

Thanks Bosco.

Of course, FN was not talking about WANTS ( a luxury of the 'prosperity' folks 
can use/waste money on) but of NEEDS (what the 'livelihood' folks like us have 
to work for everyday)

jc

Re: [Goanet] Coconut

[Mervyn Lobo]

Frederick FN Noronha wrote:
> I'm talking about livelihoods here, not prosperity. 


FN,

Almost 50 years ago, I sat on my grand-moms balcony and watched women just over 
the fence make ropes out of coconut coir. Their hands were rough beyond words. 
Sometimes, their kids were working with them too. I asked my relatives why 
those kids were not in school and the relatives then looked towards the river 
in the distance, or to the bougainvillea plants, or to the gently swaying 
coconut trees and kept silent.

Thankfully, I do not see people in Goa going thru this torture anymore. What I 
do see is people in the village gathering buffalo shit, mixing it with hay, 
making a patty and drying it in the sun, all this in order to earn two pice 
from their er, livelihood. All the dung collectors are younger than me. The 
society they have lived in failed to provide them with an education or skills 
for 2013. 

One of the socialist concepts that capitalism has embraced is that capitalism 
provides for a free and MANDATORY primary and secondary education for all. This 
education gives the opportunity for every child to make a change. Until this 
happens in Goa, some people will have to depend on bullshit occupations for 
what you describe as their livelihood.

Mervyn

Re: [Goanet] Coconut

[Jose Colaco]

On May 27, 2013, at 9:14 PM,  Frederick FN Noronha wrote:

"Don't take it personal Afred! The good doctor needs a good argument.. even if 
the conclusions can sometimes be quite bizarre"

RESPONSE:

1: Chacha and jc know each other long enough (from the days when Tales of Dotor 
Kui were famous) to take anything personally.

2: Yes, I do enjoy a good argument. Still waiting for you to provide one.

3: Cannot comment on your bizarre conclusions esp when it appears that You may 
have not read what I wrote in the context of history (pl Google) or understand 
it.

best

jc

Re: [Goanet] Coconut

[Jose Colaco]

On May 28, 2013, at 6:57 AM,  Frederick Noronha wrote thus in response to 
Mervyn Lobo:

"I'm talking about livelihoods here, not prosperity."

COMMENT: 

I agree with Frederick. Like lefties-in-power, he is NOT interested in 
prosperity for the common man. He wants them to remain firmly in a perpetual 
state of being grateful for their 'livelihood'.

Grow some of the 'potted plants' that ChaCha was referring to.  Many uses + 
relaxed atmosphere and reportedly, better vision. One can have livelihood, 
prosperity and many Goan Bobb Maalis.

(:-)

jc
Time to head back East to Mazdoori. Enuff of this short feriada.until the 
next one. Soon, I hope.

Re: [Goanet] Coconut

[Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا]

On 28 May 2013 06:57, Mervyn Lobo  wrote:

> Lastly, I have not heard of prosperity in any area that depends on the
> economics of coconut and rice growing.


I'm talking about livelihoods here, not prosperity. FN

FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 f...@goa-india.org

Re: [Goanet] Coconut

[Mervyn Lobo]

Frederick FN Noronha wrote:
>(1) Since I don't want to get dragged into discussing the science of coconut 
>oil, all I'll do  
> is to point to this link. There is a lot more being discussed about this:
> Is Coconut Oil Health
>http://www.ehow.com/about_5101508_coconut-oil-healthy.html


FN,
There is no need for anyone to be afraid of science. Science is explanatory, it 
moves items from the unknown into the known. The facts and numbers it provides 
can be fun and the numbers for coconut oil (virgin) is 92% saturated fats and 
6% monounsaturated fats.

Once these numbers are known, all that is left is for the lay man to discuss if 
these saturated fats are good or bad for him. This is what you have to be 
afraid off, this is what you do not want to get dragged into as this is the 
discussion that will never end. As an example, the topic of virgin coconut oil 
is brought up here every few months and, to boot, someone will claim that 
drinking pure virgin coconut oil is good for him. The World Health Organisation 
on the other hand, advises against the high consumption of coconut oil. I take 
this warning from the food scientists seriously. 


>(4) What a Toronto high school student *can* do is irrelevant to us 
> and finding solutions where it matters. Likewise, *when* this technology 
> *was invented* is equally irrelevant. The question here is what is 
> *appropriate*, 
> what *is being implemented* and what *is accessible*.  Thanks to JoeGoaUk, 
> we have just rediscovered a working ghanno in Canacona! It is relevant to 
> the people there, and they're using it. That's important.


What I see in the video is close to cruelty. The people are in a dirt poor 
environment and are trying to make a living by making a cow spin around in a 
circle. This crude method should have ended 50 years ago.



>(5) Your point is: "What Goa needs is a frame work that educates kids 
> for the future. An education that enables a person to read and digest 
> the facts. Goans are capable of much more than growing rice and harvesting 
> coconuts." 
>
>> To this, I'd say, is it an either-or situation? Do we have to look down 
>> upon "growing rice and harvesting coconuts"? Who decides what 
>> "Goa needs"? And aren't there anyway all kinds of diverse needs within 
>> a diverse Goa (or any place for that matter)? 



The requisite for progress, is change. When you are afraid to change, you are 
left behind by those who do not fear it. Coconut and rice growers in Goa cannot 
make a living. They have all but abandoned the occupation as they have 
understood the facts. The faster these people get integrated into the economy 
of 2013, the better off Goa is going to be. 


Lastly, I have not heard of prosperity in any area that depends on the 
economics of coconut and rice growing.   


Mervyn

Re: [Goanet] Coconut

[Jose Colaco]

A flabbergasted chacha aka Alfred de Tavares  wrote:

"Arre, juze irmaokittem muntai rerum yo...ho...ho, borens petoilam? Goa 
with her coco...palms will be lika Bahamas sans tornados

Comment:

Mogal ChaCha,

I am sure you know of the crop I was referring to.

It's cultivation was ordered mandatory in many parts of the world where the 
Union Jack fluttered. 

It has many uses   It has Indian in the nameand the name of a Spanish 
woman too! 

jc

Re: [Goanet] Coconut

[Alfred de Tavares]

Arre, juze irmaokittem muntai rerum yo...ho...ho, borens
petoilam?

Goa with her coco...palms will be lika Bahamas sans tornados

A flabargested Chacha

> From: cola...@gmail.com
> Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 16:04:44 -0400
> To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
> CC: goanet@lists.goanet.org
> Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut
> 

> 
> Here is a point which one may consider - in the final analysis: IF Coconut 
> does more harm than good, is it ethical to make a business out of it?  IF SO, 
> why not encourage Goans to grow some other crops?
> 
> jc
> 
> 
  

Re: [Goanet] Coconut

[Jose Colaco]

On May 27, 2013, at 8:28 AM,  Frederick FN Noronha wrote:

1: Do we have to look down upon "growing rice and harvesting coconuts"?

2: Who decides what "Goa needs"?

3: I don't agree with JC's suggestion that hi-flying global Goans will not be 
encouraged to boost Goa's coconut productivity .

COMMENT: 

Wonder whether FN intentionally or otherwise chose to misconstrue the 
proposition on the table.

In short: 

a: individual entrepreneurs do not make industry decisions based on 'looking 
down' on any enterprise or upon their own ideas of what others (should) 'need'; 
rather, they provide a service or product where a need exists. Only Socialist 
minds and governments decide for others.

b: the terms 'coconut' and 'IT' are figurative. 

c: what will definitely discourage the high-achieving Goans is the 'prevailing 
environment' (pun intended) in Goa.

Here is a point which one may consider - in the final analysis: IF Coconut does 
more harm than good, is it ethical to make a business out of it?  IF SO, why 
not encourage Goans to grow some other crops?

jc

Re: [Goanet] Coconut

[Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا]

(1) Since I don't want to get dragged into discussing the science of
coconut oil, all I'll do  is to point to this link. There is a lot more
being discussed about this:
Is Coconut Oil Healthy?
http://www.ehow.com/about_5101508_coconut-oil-healthy.html

(2) This is not my point: "Goans do not want to work as labourers and hence
consuming coconut oil, and not doing manual labour, is going to be
detrimental to the Goan coconut oil consumers." You are mixing up between
my argument and your assumptions. All I was saying is that there are
problems in getting skilled labour needed for coconut plucking. But this is
certainly a solvable problem ... not rocket science. The latter part of the
above sentence is related to your assumptions.

(3) People dying of malnutrition in any part of the planet should be
unacceptable to all of us, regardless where we live. Today, we have all the
technology and more to solve such problems; but is there the political
will? An obsession with what earns the highest dollars isn't going to fetch
a solution either.

(4) What a Toronto high school student *can* do is irrelevant to us and
finding solutions where it matters. Likewise, *when* this technology *was
invented* is equally irrelevant. The question here is what is
*appropriate*, what *is being implemented* and what *is accessible*.
Thanks to JoeGoaUk, we have just rediscovered a working ghanno in Canacona!
It is relevant to the people there, and they're using it. That's important.

(5) Your point is: "What Goa needs is a frame work that educates kids for
the future. An education that enables a person to read and digest the
facts. Goans are capable of much more than growing rice and harvesting
coconuts."

To this, I'd say, is it an either-or situation? Do we have to look down
upon "growing rice and harvesting coconuts"? Who decides what "Goa needs"?
And aren't there anyway all kinds of diverse needs within a diverse Goa (or
any place for that matter)?

Again, I do not see it as a debate of IT-versus-coconut oil. It's a
question of appropriate technology, and technology which serves the people
(not the other way around). I don't agree with JC's suggestion that
hi-flying global Goans will not be encouraged to boost Goa's coconut
productivity ... it all depends on what their priorities are, and what
their interests are. Some may instead talk about olives, or gold, or
dollars, or IT when we're discussing coconuts. For those who really want to
do something, here's one example of what's possible:
http://deejayfarm.com/ FN

FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 f...@goa-india.org

Re: [Goanet] Coconut

[Jose Colaco]

On May 26, 2013, at 9:54 PM, Mervyn Lobo wrote to FN:

What Goa needs is a frame work that educates kids for the future. An education 
that enables a person to read and digest the facts. Goans are capable of much 
more than growing rice and harvesting coconuts.

One last thing, the danger, and this is a real one, is that the neighboring 
states will get their education priorities in check before Goa does. If this 
happens, Goa will be become the to go place to get virgin coconut oil while the 
neighboring states bask in their new found wealth from IT

COMMENT:

Thank you Mervyn. My thoughts almost.

I use the word 'almost' because many Goans are already utilizing the education 
imparted in Goa to then enter into higher education centers outside Goa to do 
the best for themselves.

IMHO,  education in Goa would move several notches higher IF those who are 
charged with teaching would better themselves with experience and competition 
at larger centers. 

But, do take a look at the stuff the Goa educators occupy themselves with. Try 
access what publications are in the public and professional domains.

If all Goan students would rely on these Goa educators, they surely would have 
been permanently and firmly situated in the Coconut plantations.

The fact is that there are countless young Goans who are competing globally and 
doing really well, albeit without much fanfare.

What these young and bright Goans will not be able to do is have any role in 
converting the Goa coconuts into high value enterprises. Those in charge of Goa 
and Goa's education (today) are busy ensuring that Goa and Goans 'fulfill the 
prophecy' of Feni, Festa ani 'FIFI'. 

We can all see the results for ourselves.

jc

Re: [Goanet] Coconut

[Mervyn Lobo]

Frederick FN Noronha  wrote:

> Mervyn, You probably didn't get my point. An infusion of technology or 
> know-how into 
> this sector could have a significant impact on a place like Goa, for obvious 
> reasons. 
> As for the fat content, this is not something I have the knowledge to talk 
> about, apart 
> from saying that there seems to be a lot of ongoing debate on this very point.



FN,
The fat content of coconut oil is not a state secret. Nor is it a concealed 
item in a forbidden room in the kingdom of scientists. The fat content is 
known, and published, and I have even given you the numbers in my previous 
post. The only issue that remains is that people refuse to believe in what this 
fat does to the human body. To make this easy to understand, smokers refuse to 
believe what smoking does to the body despite every warning from the health 
authorities. Just as in smoking, fat consumers will debate the effects of 
consuming saturated fats right up to their er, dying day. I love it when people 
complain that they are taxed too much and then read the results of what their 
taxes have funded and insist that the Govt health authorities are a bunch of 
idiots anyway. 


> Of course, Goa does have issues like a lack of labour wanting to work in the 
> field, etc. 

> But even as we talk, someone somewhere might be focussing on working out a 
> solution. 


You and I live in different worlds. People die of malnutrition in your part of 
the world because people are unaware or unable to buy the proper foods. Where I 
am, people die of malnutrition because they are aware but yet consume too much 
food of the wrong foods. Labourers in Goa will probably burn up all the coconut 
oil they consume, but if I have read you correctly, Goans do not want to work 
as labourers and hence consuming coconut oil, and not doing manual labour, is 
going to be detrimental to the Goan coconut oil consumers.



> Interestingly, the technology for this field seems to be coming not from US 
> or Canada,
> but from Thailand and Fiji! And because we tend to be coconuts ourselves -- 
> brown 
> outside but white inside -- this might be something more that we're simply 
> missing... 
> Keep an eye open for brown gold too.


The technology you seem to be talking about is the technology that was 
developed during the industrial revolution, appox 300 years ago. A high school 
student in Toronto can develop a state of the art coconut oil extractor over 
the weekend. The real technology, the type that makes millions, is being 
developed by techies all over the world. If you have been following the news 
lately, you will realize that Goans are not doing too badly in this sphere 
either. 


>So till we grow olives in Goa, I'll prefer to keep one eye on coconuts. Man 
>does not live by dollars alone :-) FN



Olive growers, just like their coconut counter parts, are a poor lot. I pray to 
the golden calf and every other god that olives never grow in Goa. What Goa 
needs is a frame work that educates kids for the future. An education that 
enables a person to read and digest the facts. Goans are capable of much more 
than growing rice and harvesting coconuts.


One last thing, the danger, and this is a real one, is that the neighboring 
states will get their education priorities in check before Goa does. If this 
happens, Goa will be become the to go place to get virgin coconut oil while the 
neighboring states bask in their new found wealth from IT.  

Mervyn
Heading towards Toronto

Re: [Goanet] Coconut

[Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا]

Mervyn, You probably didn't get my point. An infusion of technology or
know-how into this sector could have a significant impact on a place like
Goa, for obvious reasons.  As for the fat content, this is not something I
have the knowledge to talk about, apart from saying that there seems to be
a lot of ongoing debate on this very point.

Of course, Goa does have issues like a lack of labour wanting to work in
the field, etc. But even as we talk, someone somewhere might be focussing
on working out a solution. At least that's the impression I got. To
understand what potential we could be missing, we need to look at the work
done by people like David Lobo, http://deejayfarm.com/ Or even the coconut
network on Googlegroups
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/coconut

Interestingly, the technology for this field seems to be coming not from US
or Canada, but from Thailand and Fiji! And because we tend to be coconuts
ourselves -- brown outside but white inside -- this might be something more
that we're simply missing... Keep an eye open for brown gold too.

So till we grow olives in Goa, I'll prefer to keep one eye on coconuts. Man
does not live by dollars alone :-) FN

On 27 May 2013 01:51, Mervyn Lobo  wrote:

> I am not sure why anyone in this day and age has to make virgin oil at
> home. Surely, even in Goa, there must be places where you can buy coconut
> oil in a shop?
>
> Secondly, and more importantly, why would anyone spend all the time and
> effort to make the lowest priced of all cooking oils? The same amount of
> time could be used to make virgin cooking oils that sell for higher prices.
> In case you are not aware, a ton of virgin olive oil sells for appox $4,000
> today. A ton of virgin coconut oil sells for appox $800 per ton.
>
> Maybe this is the reason for the vast difference in prices:
> Olive oil (virgin) contains 14% saturated fats and 73% monounsaturated
> fats.
> Coconut oil (virgin) contains 92% saturated fats and 6% monounsaturated
> fats.
>
> Another way of viewing the above is that if you crave oil that if high in
> saturated fats, you are doubly lucky. It is the cheapest oil and abundant
> in supply.
>


FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 f...@goa-india.org

Re: [Goanet] Coconut

[Mervyn Lobo]

Frederick FN Noronha wrote:
> How to make virgin coconut oil
> http://www.wikihow.com/Make-Virgin-Coconut-Oil
> http://homemadestyle.blogspot.in/2007/08/making-virgin-coconut-oil-vco.html
> http://www.squidoo.com/makeownvirgincoconutoil
> http://www.buzzle.com/articles/how-to-make-coconut-oil.html
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYN-03Q2tGM


FN,
I am not sure why anyone in this day and age has to make virgin oil at home. 
Surely, even in Goa, there must be places where you can buy coconut oil in a 
shop? 

Secondly, and more importantly, why would anyone spend all the time and effort 
to make the lowest priced of all cooking oils? The same amount of time could be 
used to make virgin cooking oils that sell for higher prices. In case you are 
not aware, a ton of virgin olive oil sells for appox $4,000 today. A ton of 
virgin coconut oil sells for appox $800 per ton. 

Maybe this is the reason for the vast difference in prices:
Olive oil (virgin) contains 14% saturated fats and 73% monounsaturated fats. 
Coconut oil (virgin) contains 92% saturated fats and 6% monounsaturated fats.

Another way of viewing the above is that if you crave oil that if high in 
saturated fats, you are doubly lucky. It is the cheapest oil and abundant in 
supply.

Mervyn

Re: [Goanet] Coconut ... links

[floriano lobo]

Many thanks for these links, Rico
Much appreciated.

B/rgds
flo

- Original Message - 
From: " Frederick FN Noronha ?  *??? ??? " 


To: "frederick noronha" 
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 2:13 AM
Subject: [Goanet] Coconut ... links

Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil II

[floriano]

Mervyn,
Thank you for the link

"
Health implications
Main article: Trans Fat
A side effect of incomplete hydrogenation having implications for human 
health is the isomerization of some of the remaining unsaturated carbon 
bonds. The cis configuration of these double bonds predominates in the 
unprocessed fats in most edible fat sources, but incomplete hydrogenation 
partially converts these molecules to trans isomers, which have been 
implicated in circulatory diseases including heart disease (see trans fats). 
The conversion from cis to trans bonds is favored because the trans 
configuration has lower energy than the natural cis one. At equilibrium, the 
trans/cis isomer ratio is about 2:1. Food legislation in the US and codes of 
practice in EU have long required labels declaring the fat content of foods 
in retail trade and, more recently, have also required declaration of the 
trans fat content. Trans fats are banned in Denmark and New York 
City.[14][15]


"

If possible, I would want to ban Hydrogenated oils 9 for cooking medium)  in 
GOA.

Period.

Cheers
floriano
goasuraj
9890470896
PS: And as Santosh wud want to say,
" Promote  VCO"

- Original Message - 
From: "Mervyn Lobo" 

To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" 
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 8:36 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil II


floriano wrote:

Just tell me what hydrogeneted oils contain.




floriano,

Here is the link.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogenation


Admittedly, this particular link can be difficult to understand.

I avoid hydrogenated oils as much as I can. The reason is I do not have the 
guts to butt heads with the finest scientist of the world. If I am going to 
err, it is going to be on the side of caution. Anyone, but anyone, can stand 
up and say, my doctor is a quack, s/he does not know what s/he is doing.


202Mervyn 

Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil II

[Mervyn Lobo]

floriano wrote:
> Just tell me what hydrogeneted oils contain.



floriano, 

Here is the link.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogenation 


Admittedly, this particular link can be difficult to understand.

I avoid hydrogenated oils as much as I can. The reason is I do not have the 
guts to butt heads with the finest scientist of the world. If I am going to 
err, it is going to be on the side of caution.  Anyone, but anyone, can stand 
up and say, my doctor is a quack, s/he does not know what s/he is doing. 

202Mervyn

Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil

[Santosh Helekar]

Gilbert's advice and opinion below are entirely sound. Jose makes one valid 
point, which is that animal fat is worse than vegetable fat like coconut oil. 
But it is not reasonable to conflate issues regarding consumption of coconut 
and coconut oil, and also about coconut and life expectancy. The folks who 
lived in the Goan villages and the islands of the East and West Indies did not 
live fairly long lives. Their life expectancy in the past was very low compared 
to what it is today. Here is what I had written about this issue the last time 
it had raised its confused head:

QUOTE
In the old days that Floriano remembers people used to die before the age of 30 
from typhoid, tuberculosis, cholera, small pox, pneumonia and wound infections. 
They did not live long enough to die from a heart attack or stroke. It was only 
the lucky ones who lived to see 40 or 45, not having caught the infections. The 
few who lived much longer were in addition naturally selected by their genes. 

Hundred years ago the life expectancy of a human being in India was 25 years. 
This was during the heyday of all kinds of faith-based nostrums - Ayurveda, 
Homeopathy and home remedies of housewives and grandmothers. In 1947 when 
Indians were finally able to die free, they could only expect to live for 36 
years. In 1961 when Portugal was liberated from the burden of Goa, a 
naturalized first-class Indian citizen in Goa was lucky if he/she could survive 
beyond 42 years of age, still not long enough for Floriano to see significant 
number of people dying from heart attacks.  Today, any toddler in India can 
hope to live on an average for 70 years, long enough to have a good chance of 
being a cancer or stroke victim and survivor.
UNQUOTE

Please see: http://www.mail-archive.com/goanet@lists.goanet.org/msg55052.html

The same applies to the islands of the West Indies.

Cheers,

Santosh
 - Original Message -
> From: Gilbert Lawrence 
> To: "goa...@goanet.org" 
> Cc: 
> Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 1:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil
> 
> GL responds:
>  
> There is no controversy here and if there is one, I do not want to engage in 
> it.
> Coconut oil in moderation is not harmful ... "limiting the 
> consumption."
> Saturated fats in moderation is not harmful ... again "limiting the 
> consumption."
> Not all saturated fats are made the same.
> Coconut oil controversy only arises in cooking and not for hair / skin 
> application.
> 



- Original Message -
> From: Jose Colaco 
> To: Mervyn Lobo ; "Goa's premiere mailing list,estb. 
> 1994!" 
> Cc: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" 
> Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 5:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil
> 
> My dear Mervyn,
> 
> You are right. That, indeed, is the advice.
> 
> However, have you ever wondered IF and WHY folks who inhabited Goan villages 
> and 
> the Islands of the East and West Indies, lived fairly long lives despite 
> having 
> a diet that was full of coconut?
> 
> There is also an argument put forth about the type of MCTs found in coconut 
> oil. 
> Not being a coconutologist, I will skip comment on that except to say that : 
> surely, coconut is not worse than animal fat. IF you agree, WHY is it that 
> all 
> the organizations listed, are NOT placing the same 'advisory' on Red 
> Meats, Stress, Cow's Milk, Butter and ' couch potatoness'... + 
> wars and extra- marital affairs?
> 
> BTW: if we concede that Floriano has every right to do just the opposite  of 
> what is being advised by these organizations, AND if we are in a position to 
> conclude that Floriano is doing just that + will not change his mind, WHY are 
> we 
> still trying to 'convert' him?
> 
> jc

Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil

[Mervyn Lobo]

Jose Colaco wrote:
> However, have you ever wondered IF and WHY folks who inhabited 
> Goan villages and the Islands of the East and West Indies, lived fairly 
> long lives despite having a diet that was full of coconut?


I am not sure if I agree with you Doc. When a man hits 65 in Canada, the life 
insurance companies reset their projections, financially making provisions that 
he will live to 84. Women who hit 65, live longer than 84. I don't think the 
East and West Indies boast such ages. A good health program and medications is 
what keeps the Canadian residents alive. Regarding your query on a coconut 
diet, here in Canada, few people need the extra calories that are packed in 
coconut oil. Extra calories, in fact, is what is killing people here. 



> BTW: if we concede that Floriano has every right to do just the opposite  
> of what is being advised by these organizations, AND if we are in a position 
> to conclude that Floriano is doing just that + will not change his mind, WHY 
> are we still trying to 'convert' him?


No one is trying to convert Floriano. He has every right to live his life the 
way he wants too. The problem that arises is when he presents opinions here 
that are contrary to scientific findings. Those who understand the facts, have 
to point out the same, else we all would suffer the fate as Galileo Galilee. 

Lastly, when faced with the facts, most people will gradually accept the same. 
Then there always are a few who will understand the facts but find them 
impossible to accept. Here in lies the danger.


Mervyn2102

Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil,Folate or whatever is it. (JC)

[J. Colaco < jc>]

On 11 May 2012 05:33, Gerald Fernandes  wrote:

[1] PEOPLE IN INDIA THAT IS BHARAT  ARE SURELY NOT ENTITLED TO
FORCE/COERCE THEIR CARDIOLOGISTS INTO INJECTING A SUBSTANCE THEY
FANCY!

[2] PERSUADE THEY CAN , BUT FORCE THEY CANNOT!

[3] IT IS A MATTER OF PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE THAT OUR FORMER PRIME MINISTER
MR MORARJI DESAI, IMBIBES HIS OWN URINE (SHIVAMBU)..

[4] THERE IS NO LAW IN INDIA THAT IS BHARAT THAT PREVENTS A PERSON IN
INDIA FROM CONSUMING HIS OWN  DERRIERE OUTFLOWS!!

[5] IS MORARJI DESAI STILL ALIVE? IF HE IS ,DOES THE PROOF OF THE
PUDDING LIE IN THE EATING?:???

Comment:

Mogal Geraldbaba,

a: What is with this ALL CAPS? Do all army (ex-army) chaps need to
shout to be heard? or is it just your attempt at Dada-giri?

b: When did India become Bharat? What territory was designated as
"Bharat"?  Which international body recognised the borders? When? at
the same time they accepted those other invasions i.e.  'Eye Rack' of
Q8 .. or Indonesia of East Timor?

c: I know you are an ex-Army chap. That fact might entitle you to some
canteen stuff and (I suppose) it does entitle you NOT to know the
recent history of 'India that is Bharat' esp wsr to a recent former
but now late PM of  'India that is Bharat'.

d: Even in 'India that is Bharat'', I believe, misrepresentation is
frowned upon. How did you conclude that anybody (Floriano included)
was "forcing or coercing" his cardiologist? Hello!  .. Dyslexia
anyone or is it just related to non-comprehension?

e: Am writing this in "Obiter"!

jc

Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil

[Gilbert Lawrence]

Floriano wrote:
Sometimes, I do tend to think that you knowledgeable guys are full of 'shit' in 
CAPITAL LETTERS.

Mervyn wrote: 
floriano, Coconut oil contains saturated fat.
The United States Food and Drug Administration,  British National Health 
Service and Dietitians of Canada recommend limiting the consumption of 
significant amounts of coconut oil due to its high levels of saturated fat.
 
Now, if you want to do the opposite, there is no one to stop you.  
Understanding of the effects of saturated fat has to supersede the 
understanding of CAPITAL LETTERS.

GL responds:
 
There is no controversy here and if there is one, I do not want to engage in it.
Coconut oil in moderation is not harmful ... "limiting the consumption."
Saturated fats in moderation is not harmful ... again "limiting the 
consumption."
Not all saturated fats are made the same.
Coconut oil controversy only arises in cooking and not for hair / skin 
application.

Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil

[floriano]

Mervyn,
Just tell me what hydrogeneted oils contain.

b/rgds

- Original Message - 
From: "Mervyn Lobo" 

To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" 
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 6:41 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil


floriano wrote:
Sometimes, I do tend to think that you knowledgeable guys are full of 
'shit' in CAPITAL LETTERS.


--


floriano,
Coconut oil contains saturated fat.


The United States Food and Drug Administration, World Health Organization, 
International College of Nutrition, United States Department of Health and 
Human Services, American Dietetic Association, American Heart Association, 
British National Health Service and Dietitians of Canada recommend limiting 
the consumption of significant amounts of coconut oil due to its high levels 
of saturated fat.



Now, if you want to do the opposite, there is no one to stop you. Then 
again, perhaps the understanding of the effects of saturated fat has to 
supersede the understanding of CAPITAL LETTERS.


Mervyn0120 

Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil

[Jose Colaco]

My dear Mervyn,

You are right. That, indeed, is the advice.

However, have you ever wondered IF and WHY folks who inhabited Goan villages 
and the Islands of the East and West Indies, lived fairly long lives despite 
having a diet that was full of coconut?

There is also an argument put forth about the type of MCTs found in coconut 
oil. Not being a coconutologist, I will skip comment on that except to say that 
: surely, coconut is not worse than animal fat. IF you agree, WHY is it that 
all the organizations listed, are NOT placing the same 'advisory' on Red Meats, 
Stress, Cow's Milk, Butter and ' couch potatoness'... + wars and extra- 
marital affairs?

BTW: if we concede that Floriano has every right to do just the opposite  of 
what is being advised by these organizations, AND if we are in a position to 
conclude that Floriano is doing just that + will not change his mind, WHY are 
we still trying to 'convert' him?

jc

On May 12, 2012, at 9:11 PM, Mervyn Lobo  wrote:

> floriano wrote:
>>  Sometimes, I do tend to think that you knowledgeable guys are full of 
>> 'shit' in CAPITAL LETTERS.
> 
> --
> 
> 
> floriano,
> Coconut oil contains saturated fat.
> 
> 
> The United States Food and Drug Administration, World Health Organization, 
> International College of Nutrition, United States Department of Health and 
> Human Services, American Dietetic Association, American Heart Association, 
> British National Health Service and Dietitians of Canada recommend limiting 
> the consumption of significant amounts of coconut oil due to its high levels 
> of saturated fat. 
> 
> 
> Now, if you want to do the opposite, there is no one to stop you. Then again, 
> perhaps the understanding of the effects of saturated fat has to supersede 
> the understanding of CAPITAL LETTERS.
> 
> Mervyn0120

Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil

[Mervyn Lobo]

floriano wrote:
> Sometimes, I do tend to think that you knowledgeable guys are full of 'shit' 
>in CAPITAL LETTERS.

--


floriano,
Coconut oil contains saturated fat.


The United States Food and Drug Administration, World Health Organization, 
International College of Nutrition, United States Department of Health and 
Human Services, American Dietetic Association, American Heart Association, 
British National Health Service and Dietitians of Canada recommend limiting the 
consumption of significant amounts of coconut oil due to its high levels of 
saturated fat. 


Now, if you want to do the opposite, there is no one to stop you. Then again, 
perhaps the understanding of the effects of saturated fat has to supersede the 
understanding of CAPITAL LETTERS.

Mervyn0120

Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil

[Santosh Helekar]

Floriano,

The crap that you are writing regarding coconut oil is spread by MLM scams. 
That is why I asked you the name of your MLM. I would like to know the source 
of your conspiracy theories. For example, who gave you the following 
information:

QUOTE
Because I was holding the test report (which I did not show him) on my blood 
'HOMOCYSTEINE' count. It was 29 where the normal permissible was 9 to 12 max 
per mg whatever. Only large intake of folic acid and other foods like greens 
and chicken/beef liver  would lower it down.The cause of my homocysteine 
shooting up was the prescribed statins and ecosprin after my cardiac arrest. 3 
years on, I have not touched those two poisons. I take folate tabs x 2 every 
night and I dont eat but drink virgin coconut oil. And I am just normal, fine.


All this bulshit about clinical test where the FDAs are on the roll killing 
people with poison drugs and where natural supplement are poisons according to 
them.
UNQUOTE
..Floriano Lobo

QUOTE
I shall, in my own way, fight the conspiracy of the pharma cartel which most 
often promote POISONS  as life saving drugs that kill millions, just to make 
their money theough  purchasing the FDA members.
UNQUOTE
..Floriano Lobo

Cheers,

Santosh


- Original Message -
> From: floriano 
> To: "Goa's premiere mailing list,estb. 1994!" 
> Cc: 
> Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 8:21 AM
> Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil
> 
> 
> Who ever told you it is MLM???
> Cecil Pinto?
> 
> Sometimes, I do tend to think that  you knowledgeable guys are full of 
> 'shit' in CAPITAL LETTERS.
> 
> Cheers
> floriano
> 
> PS: If at all I use some MLM marketed products (supplements) I use it for my 
> self and for mine and do not market it. At most I pass on the good benefits 
> of 
> it to my close friend as an advice only.
>

Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil

[floriano]

Bernado,
What is a rastreio ??

floriano

- Original Message - 
From: "Bernado Colaco" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 12:24 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Coconut Oil


Coconut oil and water were cited on a newspaper in the far east. Now a days 
humans are trying alternative cures. Dr. Santosh Helekar is clearly 
concerned about the health of Goans on GN. I believe he should have a 
different approach like guide the people as to what is available in 
allopathy. Like once Dr. Gilbert Lawerence advised readers of GN (male) to 
go for a rastreio for their prostate glands once they are in their mid 
forties. (just my opinion).


BC

Hi Floriano,

What is the name of your coconut oil MLM?

Cheers,

Santosh

Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil

[floriano]

Who ever told you it is MLM???
Cecil Pinto?

Sometimes, I do tend to think that  you knowledgeable guys are full of 
'shit' in CAPITAL LETTERS.


Cheers
floriano

PS: If at all I use some MLM marketed products (supplements) I use it for my 
self and for mine and do not market it. At most I pass on the good benefits 
of it to my close friend as an advice only.




- Original Message - 
From: "Santosh Helekar" 

To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" 
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil


Hi Floriano,

What is the name of your coconut oil MLM?

Cheers,

Santosh

Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil

[floriano]

Dear Bosco,

I do not give up on anything once I take a bite.
I shall disregard this peculiar barb from your end.

B/rgds
floriano

- Original Message - 
From: "Bosco D" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil


Floriano..have you given up the "raw spinach dipped in Virgin
Coconut oil ( 30 leaves of vauchi baaji) every morning where the
vauchi baaji comes from my kitchen garden."

I am curious.Have you given up on your kitchen garden or has the
kitchen garden given up on producing your daily fix of 30 leaves of
vauchi baaji?

Humorously..B

Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil,Folate or whatever is it. (JC)

[Gerald Fernandes]

AFTER A LONG TIME ,JUST COULD NOT RESIST  FINDING MYSELF IN AGREEMENT WITH THE 
GOOD DOCTOR JC! PEOPLE IN INDIA THAT IS BHARAT ARE ENTITLED TO TAKE OR REFUSE 
TO TAKE WHAT THEY PLEASE, BUT ARE SURELY NOT ENTITLED TO FORCE/COERCE THEIR 
CARDIOLOGISTS INTO INJECTING A SUBSTANCE THEY FANCY! PERSUADE THEY CAN , BUT 
FORCE THEY CANNOT! 

IT IS A MATTER OF PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE THAT OUR FORMER PRIME MINISTER MR MORARJI 
DESAI, IMBIBES HIS OWN URINE (SHIVAMBU).. TO THE BEST OF MY MINISCULE KNOWLEDGE 
ON THE SUBJECT THERE IS NO LAW IN INDIA THAT IS BHARAT THAT PREVENTS A PERSON 
IN INDIA FROM CONSUMING HIS OWN AUTOLOGOUS FLUIDS OR DERRIERE OUTFLOWS!!

IS MORARJI DESAI STILL ALIVE? IF HE IS ,DOES THE PROOF OF THE PUDDING LIE IN 
THE EATING?:??? MORE SIMPLY PUT: ONE MANS FOOD IS ANOTHER MAN'S 
POISON!

Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil

[Santosh Helekar]

Hi Floriano,

What is the name of your coconut oil MLM?

Cheers,

Santosh


- Original Message -
> From: floriano 
> To: "Goa's premiere mailing list,estb. 1994!" 
> Cc: 
> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 12:52 AM
> Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil
> 
> Dear Santosh,
> Much appreciated.
> Thank you but no thank you on this one.
> 
> I was already a goner and the family would have sealed my bones into a niche 
> at 
> the cemetery to be garlanded every year for not too long.
> I hve taken that chance with my life. And I have not too much to live for, 
> being 
> a grand parent alread thrice over but only to see that GSRP takes hold of the 
> Goa Governance some day.
> 
> I shall, in my own way, fight the conspiracy of the pharma cartel which most 
> often promote POISONS  as life saving drugs that kill millions, just to make 
> their money theough  purchasing the FDA members.
> 
> Cheers
> floriano
> goasuraj
> 

Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil

[floriano]

Dear Santosh,
Much appreciated.
Thank you but no thank you on this one.

I was already a goner and the family would have sealed my bones into a niche 
at the cemetery to be garlanded every year for not too long.
I hve taken that chance with my life. And I have not too much to live for, 
being a grand parent alread thrice over but only to see that GSRP takes hold 
of the Goa Governance some day.


I shall, in my own way, fight the conspiracy of the pharma cartel which most 
often promote POISONS  as life saving drugs that kill millions, just to make 
their money theough  purchasing the FDA members.


Cheers
floriano
goasuraj


- Original Message - 
From: "Santosh Helekar" 

To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" 
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 2:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil


Floriano,

I would recommend that you see your cardiologist, and follow his/her advice 
and treatment. You are endangering your life by self-medicating and 
withholding your health information from your doctor. I have seen and heard 
plenty of people like you ultimately regret the fact that they thought they 
knew Medicine better than qualified medical professionals. Please don't fall 
prey to MLM scams, internet crap and your own delusions. Save the latter for 
your political campaigns. That is where they belong.


Cheers,

Santosh

Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil

[Jose Colaco]

Dear Gabriel,

You make  very valid point.. NOT the focus of this discussion.
 
I submit, however, that it is NOT in a patient's self- interest to keep 
information away from a doctor. It must be a 'subcontinental' thing. My 
experience over the years is that desis frequently indulge in this rather 
puerile behavior. Apparently, they are trying to TEST the doctor.

 BTW: I believe that any adult human being of sufficient mental capacity has 
the legal right to reject any treatment prescribed to him/her and take whatever 
coconut or whatever oil or coir instead.  even if this action is 
detrimental to the individual. 

However, asking a cardiologist to give an injection of Folate .? 

jc



On May 9, 2012, at 9:50 PM, Gabriel de Figueiredo  
wrote:

> I sometimes do wonder if the ACE inhibitors, statins and aspirins routinely 
> prescribed to people over a certain age, do more harm than good  Are we 
> following the trend of the once-fashionable practice of being administered 
> penicillin for a simple cold?
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>> From: Jose Colaco 
>> To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!"  
>> Cc: "Goa's premiere mailing list,estb. 1994!"  
>> Sent: Thursday, 10 May 2012 3:37 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil
>> 
>> Mogal Floriano,
>> 
>> Now  Why would you go to a cardiologist and ask him to administer Folic 
>> Acid to you?
>> 
>> That is not the best use of a cardiologist, Is it ?
>> 
>> And WHY do some patients 'hide' lab results from doctors?
>> 
>> As one of the littlest in our family would say: NOT NICE
>> 
>> jc
>> 
>> On May 9, 2012, at 11:29 AM, "floriano"  wrote:
>> 
>>> You are right, Santosh.
>>> It is not a good idea for one to run one's own test. It is a very good idea 
>>> to die, instead.
>>> 
>>> I went to my cardiologist with an ampule of folic acid to request him to 
>>> administer it to me. He chased me out saying "you do not take the medicines 
>>> I have prescribed. Now you want me to administer this shit?". So I left 
>>> telling myself that this guy is a set routine butcher who has not updated 
>>> himself at all.
>>> 
>>> Why?
>>> Because I was holding the test report (which I did not show him) on my 
>>> blood 'HOMOCYSTEINE' count. It was 29 where the normal permissible was 9 to 
>>> 12 max per mg whatever. Only large intake of folic acid and other foods 
>>> like greens and chicken/beef liver  would lower it down. The cause of my 
>>> homocysteine shooting up was the prescribed statins and ecosprin after my 
>>> cardiac arrest. 3 years on, I have not touched those two poisons. I take 
>>> folate tabs x 2 every night and I dont eat but drink virgin coconut oil. 
>>> And I am just normal, fine.
>>> 
>>> All this bulshit about clinical test where the FDAs are on the roll killing 
>>> people with poison drugs and where natural supplement are poisons according 
>>> to them.
>>> Well done. Keep it up.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Cheers
>>> floriano
>>> 

Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil

[Gabriel de Figueiredo]

I sometimes do wonder if the ACE inhibitors, statins and aspirins routinely 
prescribed to people over a certain age, do more harm than good  Are we 
following the trend of the once-fashionable practice of being administered 
penicillin for a simple cold?



>
>From: Jose Colaco 
>To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!"  
>Cc: "Goa's premiere mailing list,estb. 1994!"  
>Sent: Thursday, 10 May 2012 3:37 AM
>Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil
>
>Mogal Floriano,
>
>Now  Why would you go to a cardiologist and ask him to administer Folic 
>Acid to you?
>
>That is not the best use of a cardiologist, Is it ?
>
>And WHY do some patients 'hide' lab results from doctors?
>
>As one of the littlest in our family would say: NOT NICE
>
>jc
>
>On May 9, 2012, at 11:29 AM, "floriano"  wrote:
>
>> You are right, Santosh.
>> It is not a good idea for one to run one's own test. It is a very good idea 
>> to die, instead.
>> 
>> I went to my cardiologist with an ampule of folic acid to request him to 
>> administer it to me. He chased me out saying "you do not take the medicines 
>> I have prescribed. Now you want me to administer this shit?". So I left 
>> telling myself that this guy is a set routine butcher who has not updated 
>> himself at all.
>> 
>> Why?
>> Because I was holding the test report (which I did not show him) on my blood 
>> 'HOMOCYSTEINE' count. It was 29 where the normal permissible was 9 to 12 max 
>> per mg whatever. Only large intake of folic acid and other foods like greens 
>> and chicken/beef liver  would lower it down. The cause of my homocysteine 
>> shooting up was the prescribed statins and ecosprin after my cardiac arrest. 
>> 3 years on, I have not touched those two poisons. I take folate tabs x 2 
>> every night and I dont eat but drink virgin coconut oil. And I am just 
>> normal, fine.
>> 
>> All this bulshit about clinical test where the FDAs are on the roll killing 
>> people with poison drugs and where natural supplement are poisons according 
>> to them.
>> Well done. Keep it up.
>> 
>> 
>> Cheers
>> floriano
>>

Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil

[Santosh Helekar]

Floriano,

I would recommend that you see your cardiologist, and follow his/her advice and 
treatment. You are endangering your life by self-medicating and withholding 
your health information from your doctor. I have seen and heard plenty of 
people like you ultimately regret the fact that they thought they knew Medicine 
better than qualified medical professionals. Please don't fall prey to MLM 
scams, internet crap and your own delusions. Save the latter for your political 
campaigns. That is where they belong.

Cheers,

Santosh


- Original Message -
> From: floriano 
> To: "Goa's premiere mailing list,estb. 1994!" 
> Cc: 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2012 10:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil
> 
> You are right, Santosh.
> It is not a good idea for one to run one's own test. It is a very good idea 
> to die, instead.
> 
> I went to my cardiologist with an ampule of folic acid to request him to 
> administer it to me. He chased me out saying "you do not take the medicines 
> I have prescribed. Now you want me to administer this shit?". So I left 
> telling myself that this guy is a set routine butcher who has not updated 
> himself at all.
> 
> Why?
> Because I was holding the test report (which I did not show him) on my blood 
> 'HOMOCYSTEINE' count. It was 29 where the normal permissible was 9 to 12 
> max per mg whatever. Only large intake of folic acid and other foods like 
> greens 
> and chicken/beef liver  would lower it down. The cause of my homocysteine 
> shooting up was the prescribed statins and ecosprin after my cardiac arrest. 
> 3 
> years on, I have not touched those two poisons. I take folate tabs x 2 every 
> night and I dont eat but drink virgin coconut oil. And I am just normal, fine.
> 
> All this bulshit about clinical test where the FDAs are on the roll killing 
> people with poison drugs and where natural supplement are poisons according 
> to 
> them.
> Well done. Keep it up.
> 
> 
> Cheers
> floriano
> 
> 

Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil

[Venantius J Pinto]

Reena,
I agree your decision is a sound one.

On a tangential note: If time and inclination permits do share if you on
your forays in Goa, know of someone producing coconut oil from fresh
coconuts. All other things being respected, such bits are good for us to
know (information that needs some looking into, and harder to find -- like
some of my many questions in the past on GNet).

venantius j pinto


Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 09 May 2012 13:00:03 +0530
> From: Reena Martins 
> To: Santosh Helekar , "Goa's premiere mailing
>list, estb. 1994!" 
>
>
> I agree with Santosh, here.
>
> Santosh Helekar wrote:
>
> > It is not a good idea for you to run your own test. Besides everything
> else, it will be another mechanism for spreading misinformation, worse than
> what is being done right now by various multi-level marketing scams. A
> serious health condition has to be treated by a qualified and trained
> physician. A clinical trial needs to be conducted a team of expert
> clinicians and researchers.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Santosh
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > > From: Venantius J Pinto 
> > > To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
> > > Cc:
> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 12:32 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil
> > >
> > >T o any and all,
> > > The best and simplest thing is to run your own test -- say  2-4 weeks,
> 6
> > > months. Run it on family, older friends who have Alzheimer's (or other
> > > degenerative diseases), or upon oneself (in which case one may learn
> other
> > > things about self) and observe changes. This is one step towards
> awareness,
> > > the other would be the info the supplied by Goan researchers.
> > >
> > > One would expect the oil to be at least Extra virgin coconut oil (and,
> > > extracted under the most exa dried exacting conditions). Also from
> coconuts
> > > that come from trees which have not been raised with inorganic
> fertilizer.
> > > It had to be made from FRESH COCONUT, NOT copra(dried coconut)
> > >
> > > 
> > > venantius j pinto
> > >
>

Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil

[Jose Colaco]

Mogal Floriano,

Now  Why would you go to a cardiologist and ask him to administer Folic 
Acid to you?

That is not the best use of a cardiologist, Is it ?

And WHY do some patients 'hide' lab results from doctors?

As one of the littlest in our family would say: NOT NICE

jc

On May 9, 2012, at 11:29 AM, "floriano"  wrote:

> You are right, Santosh.
> It is not a good idea for one to run one's own test. It is a very good idea 
> to die, instead.
> 
> I went to my cardiologist with an ampule of folic acid to request him to 
> administer it to me. He chased me out saying "you do not take the medicines I 
> have prescribed. Now you want me to administer this shit?". So I left telling 
> myself that this guy is a set routine butcher who has not updated himself at 
> all.
> 
> Why?
> Because I was holding the test report (which I did not show him) on my blood 
> 'HOMOCYSTEINE' count. It was 29 where the normal permissible was 9 to 12 max 
> per mg whatever. Only large intake of folic acid and other foods like greens 
> and chicken/beef liver  would lower it down. The cause of my homocysteine 
> shooting up was the prescribed statins and ecosprin after my cardiac arrest. 
> 3 years on, I have not touched those two poisons. I take folate tabs x 2 
> every night and I dont eat but drink virgin coconut oil. And I am just 
> normal, fine.
> 
> All this bulshit about clinical test where the FDAs are on the roll killing 
> people with poison drugs and where natural supplement are poisons according 
> to them.
> Well done. Keep it up.
> 
> 
> Cheers
> floriano
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message ----- From: "Santosh Helekar" 
> To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 9:11 AM
> Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil
> 
> 
> It is not a good idea for you to run your own test. Besides everything else, 
> it will be another mechanism for spreading misinformation, worse than what is 
> being done right now by various multi-level marketing scams. A serious health 
> condition has to be treated by a qualified and trained physician. A clinical 
> trial needs to be conducted a team of expert clinicians and researchers.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Santosh
> 
> 
> 

Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil

[floriano]

You are right, Santosh.
It is not a good idea for one to run one's own test. It is a very good idea 
to die, instead.


I went to my cardiologist with an ampule of folic acid to request him to 
administer it to me. He chased me out saying "you do not take the medicines 
I have prescribed. Now you want me to administer this shit?". So I left 
telling myself that this guy is a set routine butcher who has not updated 
himself at all.


Why?
Because I was holding the test report (which I did not show him) on my blood 
'HOMOCYSTEINE' count. It was 29 where the normal permissible was 9 to 12 max 
per mg whatever. Only large intake of folic acid and other foods like greens 
and chicken/beef liver  would lower it down. The cause of my homocysteine 
shooting up was the prescribed statins and ecosprin after my cardiac arrest. 
3 years on, I have not touched those two poisons. I take folate tabs x 2 
every night and I dont eat but drink virgin coconut oil. And I am just 
normal, fine.


All this bulshit about clinical test where the FDAs are on the roll killing 
people with poison drugs and where natural supplement are poisons according 
to them.

Well done. Keep it up.


Cheers
floriano



- Original Message - 
From: "Santosh Helekar" 

To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 9:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil


It is not a good idea for you to run your own test. Besides everything else, 
it will be another mechanism for spreading misinformation, worse than what 
is being done right now by various multi-level marketing scams. A serious 
health condition has to be treated by a qualified and trained physician. A 
clinical trial needs to be conducted a team of expert clinicians and 
researchers.


Cheers,

Santosh

Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil

[Venantius J Pinto]

Good caution. Rest assured that nothing I know or test/have tested has ever
been put out there, nor shared. Not a chance. I respect your concern
Santosh.

Now, the point in my post and the manner of my response was essentially to
suggest: keep it low. (All unwritten). And if any answers are found (taking
Coconut Oil it as a supplement (the word supplement unwritten), literature,
reading on research), to essentially keep it to yourselves unless it is
research that is tested, vetted and approved.(To any and all).

I am not concerned with leading anyone astray; and Goans I presume at least
those on these forums have the chops to access to information, if they
choose to seek it. Its just that, they I think, at the same time cast wide
nets to secure their knowledge. NOW, this are broad general comment.

But there could be individuals who perhaps look up to me, which In any case
is a scary thought. To you, and to them I must apologize: if THEY ARE
CONSIDERING running tests and sharing results. Hopefully none of that will
happen.

Again, of course one expects people to know that they should consult
literature, seek their own qualified doctors; and that those who are aware
-- will share information they may have access to it. And cautionary notes
are always welcome.

+
venantius j pinto


> From: Santosh Helekar 
> Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil
>
> It is not a good idea for you to run your own test. Besides everything
> else, it will be another mechanism for spreading misinformation, worse than
> what is being done right now by various multi-level marketing scams. A
> serious health condition has to be treated by a qualified and trained
> physician. A clinical trial needs to be conducted a team of expert
> clinicians and researchers.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Santosh
>
>
> - Original Message -
> > From: Venantius J Pinto 
> > To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
> > Cc:
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 12:32 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil
> >
> >T o any and all,
> > The best and simplest thing is to run your own test -- say? 2-4 weeks, 6
> > months. Run it on family, older friends who have Alzheimer's (or other
> > degenerative diseases), or upon oneself (in which case one may learn
> other
> > things about self) and observe changes. This is one step towards
> awareness,
> > the other would be the info the supplied by Goan researchers.
> >
> > One would expect the oil to be at least Extra virgin coconut oil (and,
> > extracted under the most exa dried exacting conditions). Also from
> coconuts
> > that come from trees which have not been raised with inorganic
> fertilizer.
> > It had to be made from FRESH COCONUT, NOT copra(dried coconut)
> >
> > 
> > venantius j pinto
> >
> >
> >?
>
>
>

Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil

[Reena Martins]

I agree with Santosh, here.

Santosh Helekar wrote:

> It is not a good idea for you to run your own test. Besides everything else, 
> it will be another mechanism for spreading misinformation, worse than what is 
> being done right now by various multi-level marketing scams. A serious health 
> condition has to be treated by a qualified and trained physician. A clinical 
> trial needs to be conducted a team of expert clinicians and researchers.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Santosh
>
> - Original Message -
> > From: Venantius J Pinto 
> > To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
> > Cc:
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 12:32 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil
> >
> >T o any and all,
> > The best and simplest thing is to run your own test -- say  2-4 weeks, 6
> > months. Run it on family, older friends who have Alzheimer's (or other
> > degenerative diseases), or upon oneself (in which case one may learn other
> > things about self) and observe changes. This is one step towards awareness,
> > the other would be the info the supplied by Goan researchers.
> >
> > One would expect the oil to be at least Extra virgin coconut oil (and,
> > extracted under the most exa dried exacting conditions). Also from coconuts
> > that come from trees which have not been raised with inorganic fertilizer.
> > It had to be made from FRESH COCONUT, NOT copra(dried coconut)
> >
> > 
> > venantius j pinto
> >
> >
> >


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Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil

[Santosh Helekar]

It is not a good idea for you to run your own test. Besides everything else, it 
will be another mechanism for spreading misinformation, worse than what is 
being done right now by various multi-level marketing scams. A serious health 
condition has to be treated by a qualified and trained physician. A clinical 
trial needs to be conducted a team of expert clinicians and researchers.

Cheers,

Santosh


- Original Message -
> From: Venantius J Pinto 
> To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
> Cc: 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 12:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil
> 
>T o any and all,
> The best and simplest thing is to run your own test -- say  2-4 weeks, 6
> months. Run it on family, older friends who have Alzheimer's (or other
> degenerative diseases), or upon oneself (in which case one may learn other
> things about self) and observe changes. This is one step towards awareness,
> the other would be the info the supplied by Goan researchers.
> 
> One would expect the oil to be at least Extra virgin coconut oil (and,
> extracted under the most exa dried exacting conditions). Also from coconuts
> that come from trees which have not been raised with inorganic fertilizer.
> It had to be made from FRESH COCONUT, NOT copra(dried coconut)
> 
> 
> venantius j pinto
> 
> 
> 

Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil

[J. Colaco < jc>]

 On 8 May 2012 13:32, Venantius J Pinto  wrote:

To any and all, The best and simplest thing is to run your own test --
say  2-4 weeks, 6 months. Run it on family, older friends who have
Alzheimer's (or other degenerative diseases), or upon oneself (in
which case one may learn other things about self) and observe changes.
This is one step towards awareness,the other would be the info the
supplied by Goan researchers.


Ai Saiba Bhogos maka

What is this Venantius?

BTW, since we are apparently in the mood of making mockery of 'medical
research' along with it's study designs and methods of analysis, how
about the Coconuts propagating this nonsense ...just eating One whole
coconut every other dayand then trying to remember if they forgot
themselves or the coconuts.

jc

Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil

[Venantius J Pinto]

To any and all,
The best and simplest thing is to run your own test -- say  2-4 weeks, 6
months. Run it on family, older friends who have Alzheimer's (or other
degenerative diseases), or upon oneself (in which case one may learn other
things about self) and observe changes. This is one step towards awareness,
the other would be the info the supplied by Goan researchers.

One would expect the oil to be at least Extra virgin coconut oil (and,
extracted under the most exa dried exacting conditions). Also from coconuts
that come from trees which have not been raised with inorganic fertilizer.
It had to be made from FRESH COCONUT, NOT copra(dried coconut)


venantius j pinto



> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 13:05:31 -0400
> From: "Roland Francis" 
> To: "'Goa's premiere mailing list,  estb. 1994!'"
>
> Subject: [Goanet] Coconut Oil
>
> This 6 minute video snippet from CBN claims that non-hydrogenated coconut
> oil retards Alzheimer's an even the HIV virus.
>
>
>
> The Christian Broadcasting Network is a Pat Robertson creation. Robertson
> is
> a well-known ex-Southern Baptist pastor and now Televangelist, Charismatic
> and influential member of the powerful Christian Right in the United
> States.
> I distrust that bloc of religionists, businessmen and politicians who have
> their own agenda in whatever they do.
>
>
>
> However, since this has nothing to do with those subjects, I request
> Goanetters of medical background to please provide us, non medical readers,
> with their comments on the authenticity of this coconut oil healing.
>
>
>
>  
> http://downloads.cbn.com/cbnnewsplayer/cbnplayer.swf?aid=27477
>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> Roland.
>
> Toronto

Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil

[Santosh Helekar]

Roland,

As a rule of thumb, please don't rely on claims based on testimonials on the 
internet or the TV. There is no scientific evidence for the effectiveness of 
coconut oil in treatment of Alzheimer's Disease or HIV infection. Please look 
up reliable sources of information on the web. Here is one regarding 
Alzheimer's:

http://www.alz.org/alzheimers_disease_alternative_treatments.asp#Concerns_about_alternative_therapies


Here is one about other claims:

http://www.webmd.com/diet/features/coconut-oil-and-health


Cheers,

Santosh


- Original Message -
> From: Roland Francis 
> To: "'Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!'" 
> Cc: 
> Sent: Thursday, May 3, 2012 12:05 PM
> Subject: [Goanet] Coconut Oil
> 
>T his 6 minute video snippet from CBN claims that non-hydrogenated coconut
> oil retards Alzheimer's an even the HIV virus.
> 
> The Christian Broadcasting Network is a Pat Robertson creation. Robertson is
> a well-known ex-Southern Baptist pastor and now Televangelist, Charismatic
> and influential member of the powerful Christian Right in the United States.
> I distrust that bloc of religionists, businessmen and politicians who have
> their own agenda in whatever they do.
> 
> 
> 
> However, since this has nothing to do with those subjects, I request
> Goanetters of medical background to please provide us, non medical readers,
> with their comments on the authenticity of this coconut oil healing.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> http://downloads.cbn.com/cbnnewsplayer/cbnplayer.swf?aid=27477
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> 
> 
> Roland.
> 
> Toronto
> 

Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil

[floriano]

Whow!

My longstanding pro-Virgin Coconut Oil has been vindicated.
Cheers
floriano
goasuraj

- Original Message - 
From: "Roland Francis" 

To: "'Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!'" 
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 10:35 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Coconut Oil



This 6 minute video snippet from CBN claims that non-hydrogenated coconut
oil retards Alzheimer's an even the HIV virus.



The Christian Broadcasting Network is a Pat Robertson creation. Robertson 
is

a well-known ex-Southern Baptist pastor and now Televangelist, Charismatic
and influential member of the powerful Christian Right in the United 
States.

I distrust that bloc of religionists, businessmen and politicians who have
their own agenda in whatever they do.



However, since this has nothing to do with those subjects, I request
Goanetters of medical background to please provide us, non medical 
readers,

with their comments on the authenticity of this coconut oil healing.




http://downloads.cbn.com/cbnnewsplayer/cbnplayer.swf?aid=27477



Thanks.



Roland.

Toronto

Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil vs Olive Oil

[Nascy Caldeira]

Yes Floriano,
U are only confirming what we already know and what I implied.
Compared to Olive Oil that is at the top of the list of good healthy Oils, then 
Sunflower oil and some blended oils etc.; Coconut Oil is heavy with bad 
Cholesterol and should be used sparingly and avoided if possible. 

Compared to hydrogenated oils, coconut oil is better of course.
Dalda has been found to be the biggest killer amongst Guju's and Parsis who 
were heavy consumers of the stuff.

In Goa people used Coconut Oil and Coconut for anything and everything because 
of the simple fact that it is a staple of Goa like Rice and Fish.
So people had it at home, so to say; therefore it is in widespread use. Not 
necessarily because of the healthy bit; but more for the taste bit. Now modern 
research tells us that Coconut oil is heavy with cholesterol.

Also Coconut vinegar is worse than Oil for health!for the same reason of 
accumulated cholesterol. I now use other wine vinegars for cooking, even then 
very sparingly, just for the 'taste' not for preservation!

If you are worried about the sales of Coconut oils, Vinegar, and Coconut will 
go down; U shouldn't worry! :-) :-) There are always folks who will not give 
up; and U will still have a sizable profit on your hands. :-) :-
This goes to all Coconut Bhatcars!
Best regards.

Nascy.


--- On Fri, 3/12/10, floriano  wrote:
> It looks like Nascy is a qualified
> researcher in cooking oils.
> Hoever, I totally disagree with his assessment of coconut
> oil  on purely practical basis.
> 
> I have said this before and I am saying it again for the
> benefit of Nascy and others who probaly have faith is the
> hydrogenated cooking oils we have in our supermarkets whose
> shell life is prolonged due to hydrogenation process.
> 
> 
> That Hydrogenation process, was again,  invented by a
> German, this time to gas the whole world, not only the
> remainder of Jews.
> :-)
> However, coconut oil as we have know from our primitive
> days is the dried copra oil which is heavily oxidized
> already by copra drying. And any heavily oxidized matter is
> bad for health (free radicals infested). Therefore copra
> coconut oil could have been dangerous if consumed after a
> period of time versus immediately say within a week or so.
> 
> Now, there is Virgin Coconut oil available which is
> extracted from fresh coconut and without drying or
> oxidation. This is even superior to olive oil which is
> considered the best in oils where the coconut oil will not
> break-up at high temperatures while the olive oil cannot
> withstand high temperatures ex. frying.
> (that is why olive oil is consumed in salads)
> 
> 
> I have been off Ecoprin and Acorex which drugs I am
> supposed to take as long as I live, on daily basis since a
> year and a half.  I found out that my homocysteine
> levels shot up to 27 where normal is 12-15, which is a sure
> heart attach situation. I even had cardiac arrest but I am
> lucky to have survived it.
> 
> So, Nascy, there you are.
> I am advertising, no not virgin coconut oil, but that
> coconut oil is not all that bad in front of hydrogenated
> oils.
> 
> Cheers
> floriano
> goasuraj
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Nascy Caldeira" 
> To: " estb. 1994!Goa's premiere mailing list" 
> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 4:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil vs Olive Oil
> 
> 
> Irrespective of all these articles on Coconut Oil; I tell
> you from reading and from experience that Coconut Oil is
> full of bad Cholesterol. So it should be avoided if
> possible, or at least the quantity used should be sparing.
> Our old people were more healthy internally than we are
> today. Their systems could digest and cope with a lot of the
> bad in food; But today is different; there is pollution and
> comtamination of all sorts; so the need to avoid the
> avoidable.
> 
> Nascimento.
> 
> --- On Thu, 2/12/10, Roland Francis 
> wrote:
> > With regard to the post from Con
> > Menezes with the US link, a few stray
> > thoughts and observations:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Who would have thought that coconut oil would be good
> for
> > health, even for
> > diabetes, slowing down the absorption of sugar.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > A long time ago, too long it seems, Goans reveled in
> the
> > use of coconut oil,
> > They used it for sweets, for making curries and
> double
> > whammy - for frying
> > pork. There was nothing to beat the aroma of a
> freshly
> > butchered piglet out
> > in the yard behind the house, with a small portion of
> the
> > meat being diced
> > and fried immediately in coconu

Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil vs Olive Oil

[floriano]

It looks like Nascy is a qualified researcher in cooking oils.
Hoever, I totally disagree with his assessment of coconut oil  on purely 
practical basis.


I have said this before and I am saying it again for the benefit of Nascy 
and others who probaly have faith is the hydrogenated cooking oils we have 
in our supermarkets whose shell life is prolonged due to hydrogenation 
process.


That the Germans invented the gas chambers (Holocaust) where 6 million Jews 
were gassed by Hitler.

And he would have gassed more if he was not defeated.

That Hydrogenation process, was again,  invented by a German, this time to 
gas the whole world, not only the remainder of Jews.

:-)
TV advertisements show us that one brand of hydrogenated oil is better than 
the other. But these are all killers par excellence.


However, coconut oil as we have know from our primitive days is the dried 
copra oil which is heavily oxidized already by copra drying. And any heavily 
oxidized matter is bad for health (free radicals infested). Therefore copra 
coconut oil could have been dangerous if consumed after a period of time 
versus immediately say within a week or so.


Now, there is Virgin Coconut oil available which is extracted from fresh 
coconut and without drying or oxidation. This is even superior to olive oil 
which is considered the best in oils where the coconut oil will not break-up 
at high temperatures while the olive oil cannot withstand high temperatures 
ex. frying.

(that is why olive oil is consumed in salads)

Why am I saying this?
Because, I have stopped using anything hydrogenated, even dalda ghee, 
altogether. Instead, I am using (my household) ONLY virgin coconut oil. I 
even sip spoonfuls of it during the day and use it liberally for cooking.


I have been diagnosed ( 2 years back or so)  as having totally clogged 
cardiovascular system  thro' angiography at Apolo, Margao ( they attribute 
this to my earlier long term heavy smoking - 4 packs of 20's a day which I 
have given up  completely since 1984 i.e. 26 years). It is so bad that I 
cannot even go for any sort of by-pass surgery.


I have been off Ecoprin and Acorex which drugs I am supposed to take as long 
as I live, on daily basis since a year and a half.  I found out that my 
homocysteine levels shot up to 27 where normal is 12-15, which is a sure 
heart attach situation. I even had cardiac arrest but I am lucky to have 
survived it.


So, Nascy, there you are.
I am advertising, no not virgin coconut oil, but that coconut oil is not all 
that bad in front of hydrogenated oils.


Cheers
floriano
goasuraj





- Original Message - 
From: "Nascy Caldeira" 

To: " estb. 1994!Goa's premiere mailing list" 
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil vs Olive Oil


Irrespective of all these articles on Coconut Oil; I tell you from reading 
and from experience that Coconut Oil is full of bad Cholesterol. So it 
should be avoided if possible, or at least the quantity used should be 
sparing.
Our old people were more healthy internally than we are today. Their systems 
could digest and cope with a lot of the bad in food; But today is different; 
there is pollution and comtamination of all sorts; so the need to avoid the 
avoidable.


Nascimento.

--- On Thu, 2/12/10, Roland Francis  wrote:

With regard to the post from Con
Menezes with the US link, a few stray
thoughts and observations:



Who would have thought that coconut oil would be good for
health, even for
diabetes, slowing down the absorption of sugar.



A long time ago, too long it seems, Goans reveled in the
use of coconut oil,
They used it for sweets, for making curries and double
whammy - for frying
pork. There was nothing to beat the aroma of a freshly
butchered piglet out
in the yard behind the house, with a small portion of the
meat being diced
and fried immediately in coconut oil and served to the
small crowd watching
the proceedings. Too cruel and primitive for tastes now,
but no regret for
those times either.

No one told all this to the older folk of older times who
lived, breathed
and ate everything cooked, fried and baked in the local
coconut oil. Those
in the snob health fad circle refused to concede that these
folk lived
longer because they even ate raw coconuts. Conveniently it
was said that the
walk to the Margao market due to the caminaoes coming full
from the Borim
bridge was solely responsible for long lives. Even despite
the bad effects
of coconut oil.



Now we have come full circle. The people in Goa have enough
money to buy
olive oil. They will refuse to go back to coconut oil even
if it is
healthier. Giving new meaning to the old phrase "more money
means worse
health". And all this without assigning any blame to even
the more expensive
brands of Indian Made Foreign Liquor - an oxymoron par
excellence.
Roland

Toronto

Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil vs Olive Oil

[Nascy Caldeira]

Irrespective of all these articles on Coconut Oil; I tell you from reading and 
from experience that Coconut Oil is full of bad Cholesterol. So it should be 
avoided if possible, or at least the quantity used should be sparing.
Our old people were more healthy internally than we are today. Their systems 
could digest and cope with a lot of the bad in food; But today is different; 
there is pollution and comtamination of all sorts; so the need to avoid the 
avoidable.

Nascimento.

--- On Thu, 2/12/10, Roland Francis  wrote:
> With regard to the post from Con
> Menezes with the US link, a few stray
> thoughts and observations:
> 
>  
> 
> Who would have thought that coconut oil would be good for
> health, even for
> diabetes, slowing down the absorption of sugar.
> 
>  
> 
> A long time ago, too long it seems, Goans reveled in the
> use of coconut oil,
> They used it for sweets, for making curries and double
> whammy - for frying
> pork. There was nothing to beat the aroma of a freshly
> butchered piglet out
> in the yard behind the house, with a small portion of the
> meat being diced
> and fried immediately in coconut oil and served to the
> small crowd watching
> the proceedings. Too cruel and primitive for tastes now,
> but no regret for
> those times either.
> 
> No one told all this to the older folk of older times who
> lived, breathed
> and ate everything cooked, fried and baked in the local
> coconut oil. Those
> in the snob health fad circle refused to concede that these
> folk lived
> longer because they even ate raw coconuts. Conveniently it
> was said that the
> walk to the Margao market due to the caminaoes coming full
> from the Borim
> bridge was solely responsible for long lives. Even despite
> the bad effects
> of coconut oil.
 
> Now we have come full circle. The people in Goa have enough
> money to buy
> olive oil. They will refuse to go back to coconut oil even
> if it is
> healthier. Giving new meaning to the old phrase "more money
> means worse
> health". And all this without assigning any blame to even
> the more expensive
> brands of Indian Made Foreign Liquor - an oxymoron par
> excellence. 
> Roland 
> 
> Toronto
> 

> 

Re: [Goanet] Coconut tree climbing device...

[William Rebello]

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   Happy New Year Twenty-Ten

---

there is a device marketed by goa Bhagayat bandar for climbing trees, 
manufactured in kerala, there are two types one steel and another 
stainless steel ( about Rs 4000/-
in south Goam Hotel donna sylvia, it is common to see their gardener 
using it

Re: [Goanet] Coconut tree climbing device...

[Victor Rangel-Ribeiro]

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---

Happy New Year Twenty-Ten

---

Dear Frederick,
 Without wanting to take anything away from this talented inventor, may I 
point out that the best and fastest coconut tree climbing devices are trained 
monkeys? They are used in some of the South East Asian islands and do an 
extraordinary job. I saw a documentary on this a couple of years ago, but can 
give you no other details. Perhaps you with your skills can ferret it out?
 We already have enough monkeys in our gardens, raiding fruit from our 
trees and breaking our tiles; perhaps if they learned to pluck our coconuts for 
us they would earn their keep. Unless, of course, they then begin to hurl 
coconuts on to our rooftops...
 Regards,
 Victor

--- On Sat, 1/2/10, Frederick Noronha  wrote:


From: Frederick Noronha 
Subject: [Goanet] Coconut tree climbing device...
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" 
Date: Saturday, January 2, 2010, 2:58 PM


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                        Happy New Year Twenty-Ten

---

Of relevance to Goa...
http://www.nif.org.in/bd/node/125

Specially as coconut prices fall
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/bsg-goa/message/1664
-- 
Frederick Noronha
Columnist :: journalism :: editing :: alt.publishing :: photography :: blogging

Re: [Goanet] Coconut-craft from Goa....

[mascarenhas]

This is Adolfo from Tanzania . I was able to see the icons only  will 
try to 
get the full screen view ... Anyway I am very impressed indeed. .. I am 
about to 
visit a new site for my research work on climate change  it used to have 
hundreds of coconut trees  ... very idyllic but alas, the town of Bagamoyo used 
to 
be the main slave centre for mainland East Africa. ...



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Re: [Goanet] Coconut-related Konkani terms

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Wow, if the Eskimos have so many words for ice, I'm amazed at the
number of terms for parts and products of the coconut tree in Goa.
Thanks Dr Borges! FN

2009/8/31 Sebastian Borges :
The folowing are the coconut-related terms compiled in the "English -
Konkani vocabulary" to be published by Goa Konkani Akademi.  Almost
all are taken from S.R. Dalgado's "Portuguese - Konknni Dictionary"
(1905); some terms in use outside Goa have been omitted.  Singular and
plural forms (when given) are separated by a dash ( - )
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Re: [Goanet] Coconut-related Konkani terms

[rcabral]

I would like to add a few of that I have come across some of which may be 
corruptions or dialect modifications:
sampddo - all fronds placed on one side of he leaf used to thatch roofs.
Kanddi - the trunk of the tree.
vanxe/vanshe - the rafters (from trunk)
patti - beam (from trunk).
bol'l - barrel from the base of the tree.
kisram - shavings from the tree
shelaunno - shelanno (sic)
piddo - end of the frond
paddeponn - cocnut plucking
paddai, paddekar - plucker
torluk - charge
No time now to think of some more
Richard cabral


 Sebastian Borges  wrote: 
> 



Dear Fred,
The folowing are the coconut-related terms compiled in the "English - Konkani 
vocabulary" to be published by Goa Konkani Akademi.  Almost all are taken from 
S.R. Dalgado's "Portuguese - Konknni Dictionary" (1905); some terms in use 
outside Goa have been omitted.  Singular and plural forms (when given) are 
separated by a dash ( - ).

coconut :  narl  - narl
tender coconut : addsor - addsoram,  xiallem - xiallim,  girpallem - girpallim. 
large coconut : xelanno - xelanne. 
immature / unripe coconut : bonddo - bondde. 
incipient (button): bonddi - bonddio. 
empty  / sterile coconut: vanz - vanzam. 
coconut with water dried out : adduk addkam. 
coconut with water dried up while on tree : moddko - moddke,  moddkel’lo narl – 
moddkel’le narl.
coconut dry and with kernel loosened from shell : guddguddo - guddgudde.
coconut seedling : biyaddok - biyaddok.   
kernel of coconut : katolli, (tender) korkem, (soft layer) pillpo.   
half of a coconut kernel : vollem - vollim. 
grated kernel : sôy. 
grated kernel mixed with jogree : churn. 
coconut grater : kantonem - kantonim. 
sun-dried kernel (copra) : khobrem. 
endosperm or kernel of germinated coconut : morondd,  murindd. 
peduncle of coconut : chamfem chamfim.   
hard shell of coconut : kortti - kortteo,  (large) kortto - kortte. 
entire shell without kernel : belko - belke,  belo - bele. 
laddle made of shell (in decreasing size) : dôy - doyo,  dôvlo - dovle,  dovli 
- dovleo,  poddki - poddkeo. 
husk of coconut : soddnn - soddnnam. 
coir : katho,  kabllo. 
coir rope : razu - razu,  sumb - sumbam. 
coconut milk : narlacho ros.   
coconut oil :  khobrel,  narlel,  avel. 
coconut shell oil: kott’ttel. 
coconut liquour : fenni, maddel. 
coconut arrack (equivalent of cashew urrak i. e. single-distilled) :  mollop.
coconut plucker : paddekar, paddeli, paddavi, paddavo.
coconut plucking : paddo - padde.
coconut tree : madd - madd. 
tree producing coconuts : narl-madd. 
tree being tapped for toddy : surê-madd,  bandlolo madd. 
old unproductive tree : zorddul - zorddulam. 
young immature tree / sapling : kovatho - kovathe. 
bunch of coconuts : manzôr – manzri / manzoreo,  penddhi - penddheo. 
canopy / crown : kovoll.   
spathe : pôy - poyo. 
spadix (the stalk from which a bunch hangs): xevok - xevkam,  xelkem - xelkim. 
frond (leaf) : chuddit - chuddttam. 
tendermost, unopened (apical) frond : xivddi - xivddeo,  ram’ – ram’. 
leaf bud :  kunvllo - kunvlle, kunvallo - kunvalle. 
stalk (petiole) of frond : pirddo - pirdde. 
fibre-web (ligule) of frond-stalk : pisondori - pisndoreo. 
leaflet of a frond : chuddtti - chuddtteo. 
midrib (petiole) of leaflet : hir - hir,  vhir - vhir. 
marginal fibre of leaflet : vavlli. 
woven mat of frond : morl - morlam.   


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Re: [Goanet] Coconut... picking your brains

[Alfred de Tavares]

   August 25, 2009 - Goanet's 15th Anniversary




Rare (virgin) toddy: niró.
Tender coconut: Adsor.
Tender palm: ram, used for Palm Sunday blessing
Weaved frond: Mo'll.
Weawed frond rain cover: Condó, used, mostly by womed working the field, 
cultivating, weeding.
Coconut Juice/milk: Rôs, compulsory ingredient in curries, sundry sweets.
Roof-beam: Pattí. 
Roof-rib: Vansó.
Coconut-shell spoon: Douló, for stirring, serving rice.
Grated coconut-flesh: Chun (Bardez) soi (Salcete)
Blades of the frond: Chuddteo.
Ribs of the blades: Vir, used for manufacture of the most popular brooms in Goa.
Torch: Chul, a good handfull of chuddteo, tightly bound at one end and lit at 
other;
  The most used illumination for night perambulants pre electrification.
Pandal/marquee: Chuddtean mattou, for weddings, all functions as wel as sundry 
shelters
Coconut leaves hut: Homp


Quite a few I have missed..
Alfred de Tavares


> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 17:39:21 -0700
> From: lyra...@yahoo.com
> To: fredericknoro...@gmail.com; goanet@lists.goanet.org
> Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut... picking your brains
> 
> 
> FN: 
> Would that be bhondo (sp) or bondo re: sterile coconut?
> Water?  Narlachen udoc
> Juice?
> tree?   madd
> inunes
>  
> 
> This list of terms for parts of the coconut tree is from Green Aid-IV,
> Green Heritage, Siolim. Does anyone have more terms related to the
> coconut, both nut and tree? FN
> 
> Frond, leaf: Chudet, chud'tam
> 
> Aprical leaf: ram
> 
> Leaf bud: Kunvado, kunvalo
> 
> Leaf crown: Maathem
> 
> Leaf base, petiole: Pido
> 
> Leaflet(s): Chudti, chudteo
> 
> Leaf web, ligule(s): Pisturi, pistureo
> 
> Spathe(s): Poyee, poveo
> 
> Spadix, peduncle: Xellem
> 
> Button, immature nut: Bono
> 
> Sterile nut: Vanz
> 
> Coconut: Naal
> 
> Copra: Khobrem
> 
> Kernel: Kathli
> 
> Shell: Kotti
> 
> Fibre: Katho
> 
> Husk: Sonn
> 
> Endosperm: Morann
> 
> Seedling: Kawatho
> 
> Oil: Tel, cobrel
> 
> Toddy: Sur
> 
> Jaggery: Godd
> 
> Alcohol: Feni, maddel
> 
> Vinegar: Vinagre
> 
> Twine: Soom
> 
> Rope: Dhori, rajoo
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   

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Re: [Goanet] Coconut... picking your brains

[lyrawmn]

   August 25, 2009 - Goanet's 15th Anniversary




FN: 
Would that be bhondo (sp) or bondo re: sterile coconut?
Water?  Narlachen udoc
Juice?    
tree?   madd
inunes
 

This list of terms for parts of the coconut tree is from Green Aid-IV,
Green Heritage, Siolim. Does anyone have more terms related to the
coconut, both nut and tree? FN

Frond, leaf: Chudet, chud'tam

Aprical leaf: ram

Leaf bud: Kunvado, kunvalo

Leaf crown: Maathem

Leaf base, petiole: Pido

Leaflet(s): Chudti, chudteo

Leaf web, ligule(s): Pisturi, pistureo

Spathe(s): Poyee, poveo

Spadix, peduncle: Xellem

Button, immature nut: Bono

Sterile nut: Vanz

Coconut: Naal

Copra: Khobrem

Kernel: Kathli

Shell: Kotti

Fibre: Katho

Husk: Sonn

Endosperm: Morann

Seedling: Kawatho

Oil: Tel, cobrel

Toddy: Sur

Jaggery: Godd

Alcohol: Feni, maddel

Vinegar: Vinagre

Twine: Soom

Rope: Dhori, rajoo




  

Re: [Goanet] Coconut... picking your brains

[Pandu Lampiao]

   August 25, 2009 - Goanet's 15th Anniversary



Aye Irmao Fred,
haven't seen you in a long while on my rounds of other peoples coconut
plantations at the early hour!.

But say, your post and the pictures of the Moira teacher work brought
back memories of the 82 Barcelona OlympiksI was there minding my
own business of scalping and lo and behold, they were serving ice
cream in cups made of coconuts. It got me a little excited and
teary,you know, in a far away land, seeing your very own coconut,
very own Goan coconut, I thought. Ofcourse, the profit and sleaze
minded got the better of me and made discreet inquiries if the cups
came from amchi Goi! Nada. No gold medals for dat. They were made in a
certain southern state which we Goichis are not very fond of!!!

Here are pictures off the internet,
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lapada/3788632248/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/13840...@n04/1443953660/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/13840...@n04/1443953556/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/13840...@n04/1443953410/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/34921...@n03/3240222439/

Barcelona incidentally is the godly city (if there was a god at all)
of good food, where the high priest of modern cuisine, called,
molecular cuisine resides, in the name of a certain Senor Ferran,

http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=El+bulli

Nai re nai, this ain't your pau baaja at Gajanans nor a shiny
McDonells; this execration costs $700 plus 99% luck in getting in, and
I believe he uses some coconut in his food. Perhaps from amchi Goi!



On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Frederick Noronha wrote:
> 
>
>               August 25, 2009 - Goanet's 15th Anniversary
>
> 
>
> This list of terms for parts of the coconut tree is from Green Aid-IV,
> Green Heritage, Siolim. Does anyone have more terms related to the
> coconut, both nut and tree? FN
>

> Rope: Dhori, rajoo
>
> --
> FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490
> Konkani adages  http://konkani-adages.notlong.com/
> Medieval Goa     http://medieval-goa.notlong.com/
>



-- 
"Explanation Destroys Art."

Re: [Goanet] Coconut and HIV

[mario rodrigues]

THANKS FREDDY/ROLAND

- SPORTS PERSON, STARS WHO ADVERTISE SOFT DRINK P's & CC's are doing just to 
make MONEY and not to promote  GOOD HEALTH.
- SO DONT GET FOOLED BY THOSE SOFT DRINKS(P's & CC's) WHICH ARE 
ADVERTISED.

ENJOY 'TENDER' COCONUT (MALAI AUR PANNI). STAY HEALTHY...
 

Re: [Goanet] Coconut and HIV

[Santosh Helekar]

--- On Fri, 12/19/08, Roland Francis  wrote:
>
>Researches have suggested that coconut helps in reducing the viral load >of 
>HIV.
>

No such "researches" have been published supporting the above assertion in the 
medical literature. There is only a brief message in 1999 that a study to test 
this hypothesis would be started in the Phillipines. There is no documentary 
evidence in the medical literature since then that the study was ever 
undertaken and completed. The rest of the medical benefits of coconut reported 
in this post also appear to be dubious or dangerously false.

Cheers,

Santosh

--- On Fri, 12/19/08, Roland Francis  wrote:
> 
> Benefits Of Coconut
> ...
> Coconut water is believed to lessen the rashes caused by
> smallpox,
> chickenpox and measles.
> Coconut water is said to be good for the skin.
> Coconut water is used to treat intestinal worms and
> relieves stomach
> and urinary problems.
> It has been claimed that coconut water is beneficial for
> the people suffering from diabetes.
> Researches have suggested that coconut helps in reducing
> the viral load of HIV.
> The organic iodine content of coconut helps in preventing
> simple
> goiter (enlarged non-toxic thyroid).
> Benefits of Coconut Oil
> Apart from being good for the skin and hair of a person,
> coconut oil
> has been found to be beneficial in case of the following
> ailments.
> Stress
> Heart Diseases
> High Cholesterol Levels
> Too Much Weight
> 


  

Re: [Goanet] Coconut Creek Hotel

[Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या]

Hi Jackie,

Unfortunately, this is a volunteer-driven mailing list, so it's not
possible to find out information to individual queries of this nature.

The Jan 1-2 period is part of the crowded season. But you could
probably get information from this web-page, from the young BITS
campus in the area, which seems to have a number of Vasco-based
accomodation options, together with their phone contacts:

http://www.bits-pilani.ac.in/dlp-home/online/guidelines/Hotel_Accommodation_Information_Goa.htm

Rgds, FN

2008/10/16 Jackie Gerrard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Hallo, can you possibly find out for us if there is room for 2 people -
> double or twin - at the Coconut Creek Hotel, Goa (near the airport) on 1st
> and 2nd January.  if so, how much?  We are staying in Palolem prior to that
> and wanted to be nearer the airport prior to returning to the UK on 3rd Jan.
> Many thanks,
> Jackie Gerrard

Re: [Goanet] Coconut oil... and temperatures

[Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोंया]

On 30/01/2008, Pandu Lampiao <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Senor Fred.
> My knowledge of oils is limited as well but recently while at Colombo
> airport, I heard on local radio about what oils one should use in
> different weather conditions and their properties as hot and cold
> oils: olive and coconut  are cold oils while sesame is considered warm
> oil. I missed the latter part of the program. Apparently coconut oil
> is 90% saturated fat which likely explains why it turns to buttery
> paste and is considered unhealthy for consumption in large quantities
> (so is coconut).
> One possibility is the extraction process: sesame seeds are roasted
> before the oil is extracted while coconut oil as we know it is
> commonly known as coconut butter.
> You should come visit warm and sunny Sawantwadi sometime.

Irmao Pandu, welcome back (though I can't say this officially!) I do
travel to Sawantwadi occasionally, as you know, based on 'desi'
technology (the Rs 36K Bajaj 100cc, very fuel-efficient) but that
place is probably colder than Goa now, because Mumbai, further north,
was reporting 10 degrees C minimum temperatures and shocking everyone.
Extreme climates and weather change, here we come!

As far as coconut goes, the jury is out on how bad/good it is. There's
a big debate in Asia, contesting Western claims that the oil is a
killer. Here's what I posted to the SolutionsExchange mailing list in
Delhi recently. Based on what I could pick up from the Net:

[PS: The editor added the "Hindus" and ghee bit. Maybe from some other
site. AFAIK, we all ate ghee in our younger days, though not of the
coconut kind.]

Coconut is one of the ten most useful trees in the world, providing
food for millions of people, especially in the tropics. At any one
time a coconut palm has 12 different crops of nuts on it, from opening
flower to ripe nut. At the top of the tree is the growing point, a
bundle of tightly packed, yellow-white, cabbage-like leaves, which, if
damaged, causes entire tree to die, but if tree can be spared, this
heart makes a tasty treat, a 'millionaire's salad'. Unopened flowers
are protected by sheath, often used to fashion shoes, caps, even a
kind of pressed helmet for soldiers. Opened flowers provide a good
honey for bees. A clump of unopened flowers may be bound tightly
together, bent over and its tip bruised.

Nut has a husk, which is a mass of packed fibers called coir, which
can be woven into strong twine or rope, and is used for padding
mattresses, upholstery and life-preservers. Fiber resistant to sea
water and is used for cables and rigging on ships, for making mats,
rugs, bags, brooms, brushes, and olive oil filters in Italy and
Greece; also used for fires and mosquito smudges. If nut is allowed to
germinate, cavity fills with a spongy mass called 'bread' which is
eaten raw or toasted in shell over fire.

Sprouting seeds may be eaten like celery. Shell is hard and
fine-grained, and may be carved into all kinds of objects, as drinking
cups, dippers, scoops, smoking pipe bowls, and collecting cups for
rubber latex. Charcoal used for cooking fires, air filters, in gas
masks, submarines, and cigarette tips.

Coconut water is produced by a 5 month old nut, about 2 cups of
crystal clear, cool sweet (invert sugars and sucrose) liquid, so pure
and sterile that during World War II, it was used in emergencies
instead of sterile glucose solution, and put directly into a patient's
veins. Also contains growth substances, minerals, and vitamins. Boiled
toddy, known as jaggery, with lime makes a good cement.

In India, the Hindus make a vegetarian butter called 'ghee' from
coconut oil; also used in infant formulas. When copra is heated, the
clear oil separates out easily, and is made this way for home use in
producing countries.

Just a few online links which might offer pointers. It's interesting
to see how these products are packaged online:

Coconut Research Centre, Colorado US
http://www.coconutresearchcenter.org/

The purpose of this website is to dispel the myths surrounding coconut
and palm products and to present a more accurate and scientific
viewpoint. See the books page:
http://www.coconutresearchcenter.org/books.htm

Coconut Vinegar
http://www.thepowermall.com/thecenterforhealth/healthy_food/coconut.htm

This coconut vinegar is made from coconut sap. Coconut sap is similar
to fresh coconut water and contains a variety of minerals and
vitamins.

Coconutinfo.com
http://www.coconut-info.com/

The purpose of this site is to provide information on the health
benefits of coconut products, particularly coconut oil.

The coconut palm
http://www.dipbot.unict.it/Palms/Descr01.html

The widest-grown palm in the world, coconuts feature as one of the
main sources of income for producing countries, in that a large number
of different products utilised and appreciated in the western
countries as well are made out of them.

I came across this book, published in the Konkani language in Goa that
talks about the coconut, h

Re: [Goanet] Coconut oil... and temperatures

[Pandu Lampiao]

Senor Fred.
My knowledge of oils is limited as well but recently while at Colombo
airport, I heard on local radio about what oils one should use in
different weather conditions and their properties as hot and cold
oils: olive and coconut  are cold oils while sesame is considered warm
oil. I missed the latter part of the program. Apparently coconut oil
is 90% saturated fat which likely explains why it turns to buttery
paste and is considered unhealthy for consumption in large quantities
(so is coconut).

One possibility is the extraction process: sesame seeds are roasted
before the oil is extracted while coconut oil as we know it is
commonly known as coconut butter.

You should come visit warm and sunny Sawantwadi sometime.

On 1/29/08, Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोंया
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You might have heard that Goa has been facing some unusually cold
> weather this season -- 15 degrees C minimum temperature -- while
> Mumbai plunged down to 10 degrees C. (Global warming and weather
> extremeties here we come? Heat waves in summer in South-Eastern
> Europe, and cold waves in sunny Goa?)
>
> While makes me wonder... coconut oil is one of the few oils that
> solidifies so soon, even at temperatures of 23 or 24. Excuse my
> ignorance on this point, but what's the reason for the behaviour of
> coconut oil, as against that of other oils? Tks, FN
> --
> Frederick Noronha http://fn.goa-india.org Ph +91-832-2409490
>

Re: [Goanet] Coconut oil... and temperatures

[Gabriel de Figueiredo]

If I am not mistaken, Goa had attained a low of 13 deg
C in Dec 1981.

As also, recently confirmed with a cousin of mine (met
her after 40 years) that Loutolim had a hailstorm
sometime in 1960.

Re coconut oil - as oils go, there are different
fractions that make up oil (e.g. diesel and petrol for
want of a comparison, though these are mineral oils as
opposed to vegetable oils), and these fractions gel up
at different temperatures (diesel is almost solid at
low temperatures whereas petrol still remains fluid). 
A chemical engineer will be able to give a better
explanation...

Gabriel.

--- "Frederick [FN] Noron  ha * फ्रेड 
रिक न  ोरोंया"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> You might have heard that Goa has been facing some
> unusually cold
> weather this season -- 15 degrees C minimum
> temperature -- while
> Mumbai plunged down to 10 degrees C. (Global warming
> and weather
> extremeties here we come? Heat waves in summer in
> South-Eastern
> Europe, and cold waves in sunny Goa?)
> 
> While makes me wonder... coconut oil is one of the
> few oils that
> solidifies so soon, even at temperatures of 23 or
> 24. Excuse my
> ignorance on this point, but what's the reason for
> the behaviour of
> coconut oil, as against that of other oils? Tks, FN
> -- 
> Frederick Noronha http://fn.goa-india.org Ph
> +91-832-2409490
> 



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