Re: [Goanet] Ghati Fine Art
Mervyn Lobo has portrayed Gerrard Street in Toronto perfectly. It also reminds me of River Road and Indian Bazaar in Nairobi. Pan shops were a common site in nearly every block. Pan spitting was also common in these areas. It proves that wherever the Indian goes, his pan supari goes with him but instead to eating his pan in a civilizes manner in a civilized other country where he did not belong, he continued with his disgusting and uncouth manner spitting and defacing the walls to the disgusting Red hue which needs no painting up to a certain height. This proves that you can get the Indian out of India, but you cannot get India out of the Indian. What a shame. unfortunately, because we are the same colour, and have the same black hair, we Goans too are bunched up with this lot. ( MUHINDI). Manuel (Eddie) Tavares.
Re: [Goanet] Ghati Fine Art
On 28 February 2013 22:51, manuel tavares duk...@bell.net wrote: Mervyn Lobo has portrayed Gerrard Street in Toronto perfectly. It also reminds me of River Road and Indian Bazaar in Nairobi. Pan shops were a common site in nearly every block. Pan spitting was also common in these areas. It proves that wherever the Indian goes, his pan supari goes with him but instead to eating his pan in a civilizes manner in a civilized other country where he did not belong, he continued with his disgusting and uncouth manner spitting and defacing the walls to the disgusting Red hue which needs no painting up to a certain height. This proves that you can get the Indian out of India, but you cannot get India out of the Indian. What a shame. unfortunately, because we are the same colour, and have the same black hair, we Goans too are bunched up with this lot. ( MUHINDI). Manuel (Eddie) Tavares. RESPONSE: Singapore too had the pan problem especially in little India ( Serangoon Road) The Government introduced no spitting and cleaned up the place within a few months if not weeks! Now you can't buy chewing gum in Singapore! -- DEV BOREM KORUM Gabe Menezes.
Re: [Goanet] Ghati fine art
It's not true of Gerrard Street in Toronto anymore. There could be few instances of pan-spitting now. Gerrard Street itself is empty of Indians now, unlike the late 80s, 90s, and early 20s. A new generation of Indians now come to Gerrard Street. Even some noted Indian shops and restaurants have disappeared. Bangladeshis have taken over some shops. The old generation of pan-eaters have dwindled down. So, take heart that Gerrard St has changed with the times. In a few years' time it will no longer be Little India. Eugene
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Jose Colaco wrote: My dear Mervyn, I truly hate to disagree with you, not only because you are a good man but also because you really mean well. Doc, It would be of no use to have friends who always agree with you. The whole idea of being of a forum such as Goanet is to hear different views/ideas and possibly benefit from them. However, I wonder if you have ever lived in Goa. It is worth traveling 'incognito' and like the average 'Joe'. That is when one sees ...as Tom Conti's character did in 'Saving Grace'. When in Goa, I have to use the local buses as there are no pilots or taxi's available in my neck of the woods. In addition, some pilots refuse to take me home from the (Siolim) fish market, as they claim they will not be able to pick up a return fare. At times, my only means of transport is the neighbours who take me around on their bicycles or motorbikes to find, for example, the guy who cleans tiles or the guy who plucks coconuts. They do this despite having little or no time to spare. Having experienced all this, and more, I think I have a fairly good idea of how difficult it is to live and earn a living in Goa. A chap got on to the, by now, crowded bus at a place called Dramapur. He was puffing away to glory despite the No Smoking sign in the bus. A woman with a child in her lap requested him (in Goan Hindi) to stop smoking as the child was asthmatic. The chap went ballistic and so did 3 other of the 'ghantis' (forgive the term) who were already on the bus. He cussed her out in some form of Hindi and even asked her what she would do if he did not stop? Where does one turn to, Mervyn? The Police? The bus driver or the 'kilinder'? A few years ago, I got onto an idling bus in Old Goa. It was standing room only. Then they started packing in more people. So I got down from the bus, boarded the empty one behind it that was due to leave in 15 minutes and sat on a window seat next to the back door. 15 minutes later, the bus was packed worse than the first one and the driver started his vehicle. That was when the conductor 'informed' me that I had to vacate my seat as it was the special seat for the conductor. For emphasis, he pointed to the sign right above the seat that said so - in an Indian script. Not a single person who boarded the bus informed me that I was sitting on the one seat I could not sit on. I live in a place that has no conductors on the city buses or trains. This transport system is accepted in Toronto and it is also subsidized by multiple governments. I would not dream of imposing this system elsewhere. Similarly, the system that is used in Goa is acceptable to the locals. Else, they would be demanding a different public transportation system. You and me are both tourists in Goa. We cannot expect commuters in Goa to behave the way commuters do in the countries where we reside. Talking about websites and pictures, have you not seen the the zillion pictures posted by JoeGoaUK? You believe these folks or 'the powers that be' care? These are the shareholders in the voters' bank, Mervyn! Who cares about Goans in Goa anymore? Joe likes posting pictures of stray dogs, paan spitters and people crapping on the streets. This is what he finds repulsive. This is also the least of Goa's problems. The real problem, as you have correctly pointed out, is the vote banks crafted by crooks. As long as there are voters who do not want change, all Goa will get is more of the same. Perhaps it is an 'Obama' that will change the situation in Goa. Until then, I find it unreasonable for anyone resident in a far away country to tell Goan residents how they should live and vote. You are right, Goans have accepted the Paan and other filth as a way of life. You believe they have a choice besides resorting to violence? and do they not patronise the filthy eat places and filthier stalls selling all kinds of stuff on the roadside? These are petty items. The people running Goa are making millions of dollars issuing permits, etc. The royalties from mining alone could make Goa a paradise if utilized properly, but no one seems to care. Each Goa govt appears to be more corrupt than the previous one. In fact, you even have people with criminal records and linked to drugs elected to the assembly. If things need to be changed, it needs to be changed from the top to the bottom. The way I see it is that the educated Goan has to move out of Goa to find a decent paying career while uneducated people move in, keeping wages low. I do not see any govt tackling this problem. Once again, the filthy paan spiters are the least of Goa's problems. BTW have you visited Petticoat Lane in East London (UK) or Gerrard St in your neck of the woods aka Toronto? I have not been to Petticoat Lane. Gerrard Street in Toronto is expensive and it is mainly Indian tourists who shop there. Indian groceries, spices and knickknacks are now
Re: [Goanet] Ghati Fine Art
On Feb 23, 2013, at 5:31 PM, Mervyn Lobo mervynal...@yahoo.ca wrote: 1: My personal observation is that the residents of Goa tolerate spitting and the red spit is offensive only to tourists, like myself. 2: Strangely enough, cities in N. America use consultants in India to solve their garbage and littering problems. 3: There is the second option, photographs. Everyone has a cell phone today. A website showing pictures of people spiting, parking illegally, etc., can do wonders too. RESPONSE: My dear Mervyn, I truly hate to disagree with you, not only because you are a good man but also because you really mean well. However, I wonder if you have ever lived in Goa. It is worth traveling 'incognito' and like the average 'Joe'. That is when one sees ...as Tom Conti's character did in 'Saving Grace'. A few years ago (and I accept that things may have changed since then) I was on a bus from Margao to Velim. I intentionally took the long route bus which traveled via Cuncolim. A chap got on to the, by now, crowded bus at a place called Dramapur. He was puffing away to glory despite the No Smoking sign in the bus. A woman with a child in her lap requested him (in Goan Hindi) to stop smoking as the child was asthmatic. The chap went ballistic and so did 3 other of the 'ghantis' (forgive the term) who were already on the bus. He cussed her out in some form of Hindi and even asked her what she would do if he did not stop? Where does one turn to, Mervyn? The Police? The bus driver or the 'kilinder'? Talking about websites and pictures, have you not seen the the zillion pictures posted by JoeGoaUK? You believe these folks or 'the powers that be' care? These are the shareholders in the voters' bank, Mervyn! Who cares about Goans in Goa anymore? You are right, Goans have accepted the Paan and other filth as a way of life. You believe they have a choice besides resorting to violence? and do they not patronise the filthy eat places and filthier stalls selling all kinds of stuff on the roadside? BTW have you visited Petticoat Lane in East London (UK) or Gerrard St in your neck of the woods aka Toronto? best jc
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J. Colaco wrote: I will agree with Mervyn, if someone can convince me that this approach has ever worked antes in the developing world with a multi-party democracy with one set forever trying to get reelected to power or toppling the one in power; the Jumping Jack grasshoppers, mosquitoes and other high-risk agents having been noted. Doc, This will only work if the residents of Goa do not want paan spiters. When the residents are ambivalent or indifferent, no amount of laws or fines will change the situation. My personal observation is that the residents of Goa tolerate spitting and the red spit is offensive only to tourists, like myself. All these techniques and tactics might work for a few weeks (as with the Indira emergency or the anti-traffic violation drives). Then, inevitably and unfortunately, the 'baksheesh' phenomenon will take over. Strangely enough, cities in N. America use consultants in India to solve their garbage and littering problems. The solutions provided by Indian firms are 1) Ingenious and 2) relatively cheap. On the people level, if you drop litter on the road or subway here in Toronto, someone will pick up the litter, get in front of you and drop the same litter into a litter bin. Immigrants, tourists and first time offenders usually do not need a second lesson. In short, the more the regulations, the better the living standard of the 'poliss'. There is the second option, photographs. Everyone has a cell phone today. A website showing pictures of people spiting, parking illegally, etc., can do wonders too. Mervyn
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Rajan P. Parrikar wrote: T o Goanet - Ghati Fine Art, coming to 'Dream City' Panjim in a big way. Fresh off the canvas this morning, on the pavement in front of Kamat Hotel, Panjim. May a thousand more paan stalls bloom! http://www.parrikar.org/images/samples/ghatifineart.jpg r Folks, This one is relatively simple to get rid of. All that needs to be done is to conduct a two week blitz, where people who spit paan are fined one days income. A blitz that has to be carried on every media outlet. The neighboring states will soon pick up the story and those entering Goa will behave accordingly. Mervyn
