Re: [Goanet] Query

[PETER NAZARETH]

Frederick,
I read a manuscript by Ahmad Virji about a novel which is, among other things, 
about the Asian expulsion by Amin.  I thought it was a good novel, written 
comic book style.
I taught at Kololo school after graduating from Makerere.  I taught for a 
semester before leaving for Leeds University.
Apparently I made a mark on Ahmad since he got in touch with me two months ago 
after several years sending me his novel.
We both had appeared in a book of writings about the Asian Expulsion, published 
in London in 1974.
I liked his novel,
Which is somewhat different from mine.
I sent John a few extracts from the novel three weeks ago.
 I thought you should look at it.
I know that evaluating a novel takes time.
Ahmad is wondering whether he sent it to the right address.
The semester started yesterday and there is a lot of snow.  It is cold
Best wishes.
Peter



From: PETER NAZARETH 
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 2:04 PM
To: Ahmed Virjee 
Subject: Re: Query

Dear Ahmad,
I have not heard from Frederick but I know that finding readers to evaluate 
texts takes time.
I will nevertheless find his address and send it to you.
Best wishes.
Peter

From: Ahmed Virjee 
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 1:42 PM
To: PETER NAZARETH 
Subject: Query


Dear Prof. Nazareth



Hi.  When I sent my MS to Mr. Frederick Noronha, the email address I used was: 
goa1...@gmail.com which I found from the goa1556 
website.  I later requested for an acknowledgement of the MS, but there has not 
been any response so far.  I was wondering if the address might have changed.  
Do you any other email for Mr. Noronha?



Please help.  With many thanks.

Kind regards

Ahmed

Re: [Goanet] Query

[Bosco D]

-Original Message-
From: Frederick Noronha

> A friend is searching for the lyrics of RODU NAKA BAIE, apparently sung at
> weddings when the bride is leaving.

RESPONSE: Perhaps your friend would be enthused by the English version of this 
song:

Don't cry, baby (Baby, don't you cry)
You know there'll always be someone who cares
Don't cry, baby (Baby, don't you cry)
Come closer let me wipe away your tears

http://www.lyricsmode.com/lyrics/a/america/dont_cry_baby.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73ZzeykBHoI

This is a follow-up to Freddy's recent post that we are more anglicised at the 
detriment of our mai-bhas. As he says "Who the bleep cares about our Maim-Bhas
anyway ?" Perhaps a konkani translation of "Who the bleep cares..." would 
be 
appropriate.

Re: [Goanet] QUERY: Aframento

[Roland Francis]

Government lands rented to till and owned after 10 years of tilling.

Roland Francis
416-453-3371


> On Oct 9, 2018, at 8:18 AM, Frederick Noronha  
> wrote:
> 
> Query -- how would you describe an aframento (Portuguese term, related to
> land tenure) in one line please? Thanks in advance. FN
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Re: [Goanet] QUERY: Aframento

[Bernice Pereira]

Interesting to know. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 10-Oct-2018, at 2:08 AM, Roland Francis  wrote:
> 
> Government lands rented to till and owned after 10 years of tilling.
> 
> Roland Francis
> 416-453-3371
> 
> 
>> On Oct 9, 2018, at 8:18 AM, Frederick Noronha  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Query -- how would you describe an aframento (Portuguese term, related to
>> land tenure) in one line please? Thanks in advance. FN
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Re: [Goanet] QUERY: Aframento

[Frederick Noronha]

Thanks, Roland.

Got this from a Goanet friend and a Google search:

Technically, emphyteusis land on which `foro' is paid. Locally called
'aframento'. (`Emphyteusis' is a right, susceptible of assignment and of
descent, charged on productive real estate, the right being coupled with
the enjoyment of the property on condition of taking care of the estate and
paying taxes and sometimes a small rent.)

And see: LyX Document
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2011-March/122056.html

Thanks TonyDeS.

FN

On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 at 02:19, Roland Francis 
wrote:

> Government lands rented to till and owned after 10 years of tilling.
>
> Roland Francis
> 416-453-3371
>
>
> > On Oct 9, 2018, at 8:18 AM, Frederick Noronha <
> fredericknoron...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Query -- how would you describe an aframento (Portuguese term, related to
> > land tenure) in one line please? Thanks in advance. FN
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Re: [Goanet] Query: Katav sari

[Frederick Noronha]

Thanks to the Goanetter who privately replied to my query with the
information I needed here:

The first very fashionable cotton mill saris which were the rage some
decades agoKhatau Mills, hence Khatau sari as now one talks of
maheshwari from Maheshwar, kanchipuram/kanjeevaram, mangalgiri -
andhra ; banarasi, of course the best known of all in some circles !
And now we can talk of the kunbi sari, a brand name like no other ! ...

Frederick Noronha :: +91-9822122436 :: +91-832-2409490



-- Forwarded message --
From: Frederick Noronha 
Date: 3 November 2010 00:59

A friend working on translations was trying to find the right meaning
of "Katav sari".This was written in Portuguese, as used in Goa, a few
decades ago. Any hint would be appreciate. Thanks! FN

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Re: [Goanet] Query: Katav sari

[Pandu Lampiao]

Incidentally, Madame Gandi ordered all/most of her sarees from/in
kanchipuram/kanjeevaram from an enterprise run by the Khadi Village
Industries C*mmission (some where around Madurai I think). On one of
them many ambles, one slipped into the small unit, where if I am not
mistaken only women worked on her sarees. Those days (early 80s), a
carefully woven saree for the former PM cost upwards of 1 lac rupees.
The folk who ran the unit were so proud of their product...and
their special customer.
Elegant and well-spoken she was- though one did not agree with her
stye of politics.

derick Noronha  wrote:
> Thanks to the Goanetter who privately replied to my query with the
> information I needed here:
>
> The first very fashionable cotton mill saris which were the rage some
> decades agoKhatau Mills, hence Khatau sari as now one talks of
> maheshwari from Maheshwar, kanchipuram/kanjeevaram, mangalgiri -
> andhra ; banarasi, of course the best known of all in some circles !
> And now we can talk of the kunbi sari, a brand name like no other ! ...
>
> Frederick Noronha :: +91-9822122436 :: +91-832-2409490
>
>
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Frederick Noronha 
> Date: 3 November 2010 00:59
>
> A friend working on translations was trying to find the right meaning
> of "Katav sari".This was written in Portuguese, as used in Goa, a few
> decades ago. Any hint would be appreciate. Thanks! FN
>

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Re: [Goanet] Query: Katav sari

[Frederick Noronha]

On 4 November 2010 08:40, Pandu Lampiao  wrote:

> Elegant and well-spoken she was- though one did not agree with her
> stye of politics.

Am I the only one to suspect that this is a barely-concealed
flame-bait meant to provoke a series of offtopic posts from UGB? FN

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Re: [Goanet] Query: Information on Nachinola

[Gabe & Annemarie]

Hello Aloysius,

Just a quick request to *delete*   "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
(minus the word "spam" in the address)  from your list please?

My father-in-law, Albert was just using it here whilst holidaying with us.

Now that he's returned home, he won't see any messages on this address,
but Albert *will* read them via his "adacruz" bigpond account.

over & out (& best wishes)

Gabriel


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Thanks Albert  --  sorry I read your name earlier as Ada

What is the full name of your Mr Nazareth?  Has he ever seen Nachinola or has he grown up in Australia?  


To the best of my knowledge there are two Nazareth families in Nachinola  --  Dr Willie's family 
opposite the "so called" market (which has never been used) and the other below and 
behind the Church  --  There used to be one of the boys from this Nazareth family my age, but I 
cannot remember his name  --  I seem to remember his cousins Gilbert and Aloysius Lobo who lived 
next to us in Moira  -- We used to go for a "swim" in the pool just below their house in 
Nachinola during the monsoon.

My cousins, Michael and Joseph, keep in touch with affairs in Nachinola  --  I 
shall get as much info as I can and send it on to you  --  what is your 
deadline for this info?

Our church in Nachinola, Bom Jesu, celebrated its 400th anniversary some time back  --  I have some photographs of the Church which I took at the Bom Jesu feast in 2001  --  will locate them and send them to you.  I do try to get to Nachinola at least for the feast on Jan 1st  --  but this year I did not go to Goa for Christmas and New Year. 


I have friends in Perth  --  Owen Amore and Bernard Scott  --  would you know 
them?

Cheers

Aloysius 

  

Re: [Goanet] Query: Making Mango Jam

[Pandu Lampiao]

Pardon me Irmao, I thought you were the soup kind of guy (remember you
successfully boiled the canned Caldin a few years ago)- not the jam
kind ya?

Say you didn't get this recipe from the neighbourhood Rosa-marie, did you?
This recipe sounds like an instruction for boiling rice in a baan, if
you don't mind me saying so. My friend Bombil thinks the mango jam
smells like 'cuz-ment' (following the recipe).

And say no-re, you make 'mangaad'  with the pre-season hybrid hi-teck
mangoes I left you? The computor miscalculated the exact plucking date
soso they were a little before their time!


On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 6:30 AM, Frederick Noronha
 wrote:
> Someone sent this to me... so don't "shoot me down" for sharing it.
> Any tips and suggestions would be much appreciated! I'm no expert, not
> even a novice... (but very good at eating mango jam, or anything else
> well cooked for the matter... )
>
>
> -- Forwarded message --
>
> Dear Fred, I do make a lot of jams(as we grow a lot of soft
> fruit(strawberries, raspberries etc), but have never attempted mango
> jam.
> Depending on the weight of the pulp you use, and seeing the mangoes
> are pretty sweet (?), you won't need to use much sugar.
> Don't know the pectin content of mangoes, but a quick setting method
> is to add a tablespoon or so of lemon juice. This works well.
> If I were to attempt this, I would use 1 cup of sugar to say, half a
> kilo of pulp. Bring to a boil, reduce heat and boil for a further 15
> minutes or until setting point reached.
> I have not put this out on the forum as some of the "experts" in jam
> making may shoot me down!! You've given me an idea, so may have a go
> at it myself someday!
>

Re: [Goanet] Query: Renovating a house...

[Pandu Lampiao]

Your home-town, Mangalore.
They still make them there and are available on order.
Take the 2:40 from Margao

2011/7/3 Frederick FN Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا
:
> A friend wants to renovate an old-style Goan house, and is looking for
> the old red tiles that used to be in the past (so as to retain the old
> look). Would anyone know where these are available? Many thanks, FN
> --
> FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 f...@goa-india.org
> Saligao Goa IN http://fn.goa-india.org Skype: fredericknoronha
>

Re: [Goanet] Query: Renovating a house...

[Victor Rangel-Ribeiro]

My dear Frederick and Pandu Lampiao,
The old-style Goan houses did not have red Mangalore tiles. Well into 1961, 
they 
had the old curved tiles, that were placed in special rows, one row inverted 
over the other, forming hundreds of channels, so that even the heaviest rain 
found its way off the roof and on to the ground.
Of course, if a kir dropped a large seed on to the roof, or a child threw a 
stone or aimed at a bird with a catapult, the tiles would get damaged, and the 
rain would then finds its way inside the house. I remember, as a child, I and 
my 
brother and sisters would have to run from room to room during a rainstorm, 
placing pots and pans on the floor where a leak had developed in the ceiling 
directly above. That is the reason why the tiles had to be replaced by hand 
every year, and that is why we now have red Mangalore tiles in place.
Regards to all,
Victor




From: Pandu Lampiao 
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" 
Sent: Mon, July 4, 2011 2:47:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Query: Renovating a house...

Your home-town, Mangalore.
They still make them there and are available on order.
Take the 2:40 from Margao

2011/7/3 Frederick FN Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا
:
> A friend wants to renovate an old-style Goan house, and is looking for
> the old red tiles that used to be in the past (so as to retain the old
> look). Would anyone know where these are available? Many thanks, FN
> --
> FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 f...@goa-india.org
> Saligao Goa IN http://fn.goa-india.org Skype: fredericknoronha
>

Re: [Goanet] Query: Renovating a house...

[Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا]

Gosh, that was rather inexcusable of me. I meant to mention the *old,
red* FLOOR tiles. Not the roof tiles. If anyone has any pointers, pls
help. FN

FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 (after 2pm)
#784 Nr Lourdes Convent, Saligao 403511 Goa India
http://fn.goa-india.org http://goa1556.goa-india.org



On 5 July 2011 00:17, Pandu Lampiao  wrote:
> Your home-town, Mangalore.
> They still make them there and are available on order.
> Take the 2:40 from Margao

Re: [Goanet] Query: Renovating a house...

[Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا]

This is what I like about you Goenkars. Not only will they dig up your
roots, but they will also tell you which bus to catch. Service with a grin,
what better form! Pandu, how's the choris-pao business over there? Here, the
glass is working fine (thanks for it!) FN

On 5 July 2011 00:17, Pandu Lampiao  wrote:

> Your home-town, Mangalore.
> They still make them there and are available on order.
> Take the 2:40 from Margao
>

Re: [Goanet] Query: Renovating a house...

[Valmiki Faleiro]

FN, Bharat Floorings (Mumbai Samachar Marg, next to Bombay Stock Exchange)
has
a *heritage* range, based on the old Minto floor. You've seen the product at
a friend's house
in Margao. Bharat now has an office in Goa, near Damien de Goa at Porvorim.
Tel: 241 2789.
Sales rep: Jawahar Naik (98224 23211).
Regards, v

2011/7/5 Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا <
fredericknoro...@gmail.com>

> Gosh, that was rather inexcusable of me. I meant to mention the *old,
> red* FLOOR tiles. Not the roof tiles. If anyone has any pointers, pls
> help. FN

Re: [Goanet] Query: Renovating a house...

[Pandu Lampiao]

Hi Victor,
the curved tiles (what I was referring to) are now not available is
storesone has to order them from the area between
Karwar-Mangalore...one sees old tile-making units (quite beautiful
when one is on the Konkan railway going south).
The curved tiles are now in fashion and I have seen homes bought by
** and being renovated using the rounded tiles.

The newer homes used the flat tiles (like your casa)...they were
fashionable and economic (one used lesser tiles etc). As well, the
flat ones were easier to repaid

The trouble is there are a few folks who can repair the rounded
tilesthese are Goans who work in groups and they have to be booked
many months in advance.

For Fred: as for the floor tiles, there are some stores in Margao that
carry themI know someone using them. Nice but expensive.
WHy not use red-cement. There are still a few folks in Peadne who can
do the cement flooring.
I had a nasty experience.the lot from across the Ghats claim they
have experience doing cement floorsNAW. They missed the basic mix
to get a yellowended up getting green, then dark greencostly
mistake. Finally got a fellow from another neighbouring state who got
the yellowbut nothing compared to the workmanship of the old Goan
masons.

The other tip for flooring is to catch someone from Ker. They have
a technique (which they use in mud (mud-brick homes)...where they mix
charcoal, coconut shell powdered and some flower juice to get a shiny
black..

Cheers.



On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 8:54 PM, Victor Rangel-Ribeiro
 wrote:
> My dear Frederick and Pandu Lampiao,
> The old-style Goan houses did not have red Mangalore tiles. Well into 1961, 
> they
> had the old curved tiles, that were placed in special rows, one row inverted
> over the other, forming hundreds of channels, so that even the heaviest rain
> found its way off the roof and on to the ground.
> Of course, if a kir dropped a large seed on to the roof, or a child threw a
> stone or aimed at a bird with a catapult, the tiles would get damaged, and the
> rain would then finds its way inside the house. I remember, as a child, I and 
> my
> brother and sisters would have to run from room to room during a rainstorm,
> placing pots and pans on the floor where a leak had developed in the ceiling
> directly above. That is the reason why the tiles had to be replaced by hand
> every year, and that is why we now have red Mangalore tiles in place.
> Regards to all,
> Victor
>
>
>
> 
> From: Pandu Lampiao 
> To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" 
> Sent: Mon, July 4, 2011 2:47:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [Goanet] Query: Renovating a house...
>
> Your home-town, Mangalore.
> They still make them there and are available on order.
> Take the 2:40 from Margao
>
> 2011/7/3 Frederick FN Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا
> :
>> A friend wants to renovate an old-style Goan house, and is looking for
>> the old red tiles that used to be in the past (so as to retain the old
>> look). Would anyone know where these are available? Many thanks, FN
>> --
>> FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 f...@goa-india.org
>> Saligao Goa IN http://fn.goa-india.org Skype: fredericknoronha
>>
>
>

Re: [Goanet] Query: Renovating a house...

[Pandu Lampiao]

...that was the train timing I mentioned, Irmao. 2:40...
Margao-Mangalore daily.being mindful that the prospective
tile-buyer may hit the tavern when in Margao

Chooris-pau business: pigs are hard to come by over here.limited
means of chasing them (one has to be mindful of the neighbours nicely
manicured lawns *yawn*) and so have the number of aunties
dwindled...kitem saangche re tuka.

Getting back to the flooring business, there is a tile manufacturer
called "supreme tiles"who makes the Italian style tiles/some
collaboration...so if you have an old house with a ballroom
etcthose tiles ...will make you wanna dance, danceMost tile
stores in Goa can order their tiles for yourather expensive.

There is a house in Bina being renovated, where they have used
"Supreme" tilesthey look lovely.


2011/7/5 Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا
:
> This is what I like about you Goenkars. Not only will they dig up your
> roots, but they will also tell you which bus to catch. Service with a grin,
> what better form! Pandu, how's the choris-pao business over there? Here, the
> glass is working fine (thanks for it!) FN
>
> On 5 July 2011 00:17, Pandu Lampiao  wrote:
>
>> Your home-town, Mangalore.
>> They still make them there and are available on order.
>> Take the 2:40 from Margao
>>
>

Re: [Goanet] Query: Renovating a house...

[Valmiki Faleiro]

Dear FN,

Sorry, forgot to add the 'caveat emptor' before sending the message below.
If your friend would be inclined to consider the Bharat Floorings heritage
tiles,
please advise him to ask the company's local rep (Jawahar Naik - 98224
23211)
to show some instances in Goa where the company has executed jobs on a
turnkey basis (supply, fixing and polishing) before making a decision.
Just by way of abundant caution.

Regards, v

On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 9:14 PM, Valmiki Faleiro wrote:

> FN, Bharat Floorings (Mumbai Samachar Marg, next to Bombay Stock Exchange)
> has
> a *heritage* range, based on the old Minto floor. You've seen the
> product at a friend's house
> in Margao. Bharat now has an office in Goa, near Damien de Goa at Porvorim.
> Tel: 241 2789.
> Sales rep: Jawahar Naik (98224 23211).
> Regards, v
>
> 2011/7/5 Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا <
> fredericknoro...@gmail.com>
>
>> Gosh, that was rather inexcusable of me. I meant to mention the *old,
>> red* FLOOR tiles. Not the roof tiles. If anyone has any pointers, pls
>> help. FN
>
>

Re: [Goanet] Query about: S.S. Ramdas

[Eddie Fernandes]

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 There is no better, value for money, guest house.
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There are brief reports of the tragedy in The Times (UK) of Jul 18 and
19 1947.

However, googling, I came across a fuller description in the Times of
India Relief Fund Appeal which is copied below.

The account was probably written soon after the disaster. There is no
reference to Goa or Goans.  It reports that “most people on the ship
belonged to the lower sections of society living in the Girgaum and
Parel.”  The people in those areas were largely mill workers. The poorer
Goans lived in Dobitalao.  Moreover the ship was sailing from Bombay to
Rewas which is about the same latitude as Pune. 

Curiously, the wreckage of the ship disappeared after the disaster and
resurfaced a decade later

Source: The Times of India Relief Fund at
http://www.timesrelieffund.com/ramdasship/ramdas.htm

Full text: Ramdas Ship Disaster (1947)
 
It is, perhaps, one of the worst shipping disasters off Bombay to date.
At 10 a.m. on July 17, 1947, the 406-ton "Ramdas" sank near Gull Island,
ten miles from the Colaba Point. Over 600 of the 700-odd people aboard
the ship, which was bound for Rewas, died. According to the master of
the ship, Sheikh Suleman Ibrahim, the ship had been streaming ahead at
slow speed after leaving at 8.05 a.m., when it was struck by a high
swell on the starboard side. All the passengers from this side rushed to
the port side, which became overweight and resulted in the ship listing
heavily and capsizing within the next two minutes. Strangely, there were
no reports of rough weather on the morning of July 17. 

In fact, the port authorities had no inkling of the tragedy until a few
of the survivors swam to safety and reached the Sassoon Docks and
related the news at 3 p.m. After a two-day search operations by a fleet
of naval, Port Trust and mercantile vessels rounded up about 155
survivors. According to reports, most people travelling aboard "Ramdas"
belonged to the lower sections of society living in the Girgaum and
Parel areas of Bombay. Although an extensive search was launched by Port
authorities no wreckage was found immediately after the disaster.
However, a decade later, the wreckage resurfaced on its own at Ballard
Pier off Bombay Coast. 

In order to help families who had to deal with the twin tragedies of
losing their dear ones as well as suffer economic hardships due to the
loss of their bread-winner, The Times of India Relief Fund set up a
special fund to collect donations for their benefit. The Governor of
Bombay also contributed Rs. 1,000 to the fund, which was disbursed
between government and local agencies involved in relief operations.

Photographs at http://www.timesrelieffund.com/ramdasship/ramdas.htm


Eddie Fernandes

===

Can anybody shed further light and take this discussion forward with
Arnold? 

Thank you - bosco

On 31/07/06, Arnold Noronha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Dear Frederick:
>
> At the outset of the 1949 monsoons (If I remember correctly)  , a 
passenger
> ship plying between Bombay and Goa went down in a terrible storm. The
> apparently overloaded vessel sank off the Western coast, tragically
drowning
> hundreds if not thousands returning to Bombay after their May 
vacations.
>
> Could anyone in your editorial staff or readership shed further light
on
> this terrible calamity at sea?
>
>
> Regards
>
> Arnold




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Re: [Goanet] Query about: S.S. Ramdas

[Arnold Noronha]

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Dear Mr Fernandes:

Thank you for your valuable input into the sinking of the Ramdas. You have 
helpfully corroborated your story with an extract from the "Times of India". 
In the bargain, you've   also cleared the cobwebs from my memory about the 
exact date and location of this coastal plying vessel's sinking mishap. It's 
also interesting to note the passengers were not predominantly Goan. You have 
also dispelled a misimpression I had about the Ramdas being called the 
the "Queen of the Konkan Coast" by Mumbai's proletariat.  I do remember 
vaguely the illfated ship went down during the early part of the monsoon 
season. I understand, notwithstanding the Indian Ocean's monsoon-related 
hazards  facing small  ships, short voyages may have been  made infrequently 
if storms were not imminent. I wonder whether we can get more information about
this tragedy from the ship's owners and the Bombay Port Trust.

Your thorough research is commendable. I looked up "Google" too some time ago 
but did not have your alertness. Your find is definitely enlightening.

Regards

Sincerely

Arnold




>-- Forwarded message --
>From: Eddie Fernandes 
>To: goanet@goanet.org
>

>There are brief reports of the tragedy in The Times (UK) of Jul 18
>and
>19 1947.
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Re: [Goanet] Query about: Victor Parajoti

[Victor Rangel-Ribeiro]

Dear Frederick,
I'll certainly be able to help here.

Victor Paranjoti was a good friend of mine from 1949 until 1956, when I left 
for the US. As music critic first for the National and Sunday Standards and 
then for the Times of India, I supported all his music-making activities, and 
covered both the Madrigal Singers concerts and the other major concert group 
that he founded. We also lunched together at ACC every Thursday.
Warm regards,
Victor



 From: Frederick FN Noronha *  फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या * فريدريك نورونيا 

To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!"  
Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2013 10:07 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Query about: Victor Parajoti
 

An intriguing personality whom I've like to know more about. Can anyone
point me to suitable online resources?
Also, can you help to build/correct this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Paranjoti
FN
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Re: [Goanet] Query about: Victor Parajoti

[Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا]

On 1 October 2013 21:47, Victor Rangel-Ribeiro  wrote:

> Victor Paranjoti was a good friend of mine from 1949 until 1956, when I
> left for the US. As music critic first for the National and Sunday
> Standards and then for the Times of India, I supported all his music-making
> activities, and covered both the Madrigal Singers concerts and the other
> major concert group that he founded. We also lunched together at ACC every
> Thursday.


That's interesting, Victor!

In the meanwhile, I started a bare-bones page on the Wikipedia as a tribute
to the work of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Paranjoti

If you could add something there, it would be great! Or, send me the
details, and I'll try to fit it in. Best wishes! FN

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Re: [Goanet] Query: about bispo mangoes

[Rosetti Almeida]

Frederick FN Noronha *  फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या * فريدريك نورونيا  
 writes:

> 
> Someone phoned today to ask where the bispo (large, green) mangoes
> could be available, or its seed/stock could be got for reproduction.
> Any tips? Tia. FN

Hi Frederick,
Thank you for taking the time to post the question. Please do let me know 
if you come across this variety through your posts or contact with others.

Cheers!!
Rosetti

Re: [Goanet] Query: about bispo mangoes

[Valmiki Faleiro]

The Indian Council of Agricultural Research (ICAR) farm at
Old Goa (opp. Karmali rail station) has a gene bank of 80+
Goan mango varieties, including the bispo, thanks to 
Dr. KM Mathew, the ICAR horticulturist in the 1980s/90s.

One can order grafts of any of the varieties and the ICAR
makes them for a decent fee. Trust this helps, v


Frederick FN Noronha *  फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या * فريدريك نورونيا
 writes:

>
> Someone phoned today to ask where the bispo (large, green) mangoes
> could be available, or its seed/stock could be got for reproduction.
> Any tips? Tia. FN

Re: [Goanet] Query: about bispo mangoes

[Joel DS]

Hi,

We have two of the 'bism'/'bisp'/'bishop' mango trees. Please wait until
the 'season' for the 'seed' (if the trees bear fruit this year). The stock
(for grafting?) can be taken at any time.

Cheers.
Joel.

On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 3:18 PM, Frederick FN Noronha * फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *
فريدريك نورونيا  wrote:

> Someone phoned today to ask where the bispo (large, green) mangoes
> could be available, or its seed/stock could be got for reproduction.
> Any tips? Tia. FN
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>

Re: [Goanet] Query related to music

[Jose Colaco]

On Sep 13, 2012, at 1:31 PM, Frederick FN Noronha  asked:

> Just a query -- would Johnson and His Jolly Boys qualify to be called a brass 
> band? Many thanks for any insights you could offer. FN


RESPONSE:

Generally speaking .. NO

Their music relied significantly on String instruments.

jc

Re: [Goanet] Query: snake rescuers in Goa

[Linken Fernandes]

I suppose a list is being built up. My suggestion for inclusion of the
following names under the letter R:
1. Rahul Alvares, Mapusa, who appears to not be too accessible, unlike
2. "Snake Catcher Rinku Kumar
14.4K subscribers
Please Like|Share|Comment and Subscribe to my Youtube Channel.
Hello friends My Name is Rinku Kumar, I am living in Chandor - Goa. I am
voluntarily rescuing  different types of Snakes for the past 10 year's.
You can call me the Lover of Snakes, I do not charge money to rescue the
snakes as i am a Animals/Snakes lover .
"Please do Subscribe to my YouTube Channel" for my Snake Rescue Videos. I
can help you to rescue any snakes in Goa My Contact No +91 7020819078
Thank You.
Video Editing : Joviton Dcosta
Like my facebook page : https://www.facebook.com/Snakecatcher...";
(Lifted from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsqtmaP5nGs posted on 4
January 2019)

Re: [Goanet] Query: music venues in Goa

[Alfred de Tavares]

MUSICA EM GOA NOS DIAS PASSADOS.

Rico, give a ring to Nuno Jorge. He lives now at home in Loutulim.
Also, Aselmo Fernandes...don't know if he has withdrawn from
Panjim, sub aposentamento. To Povoacao, Benaulim?

He was part of all musical activities in yester Goa.

I an quite sure that Maestro Antonio Figueiredo's "Orfeao" used to 
be the big draw. But that was in Panjim, quite inaccessible to village
folk.

Loutulim was blesed with the Maestro's occasionalmusical evenings, 
during the May vacations.

Margao side was provided for by Pe. Camilo Xavier & Limu Figueiredo,
maestro's brother, with niece, the gifted soprano, Leopoldina. She will 
certainly be the best possible source for you.

Chacha though not at all musical has sired a prodigiously gifted 
musician...Jan Tavares. Google, etc. him.




> From: fredericknoron...@gmail.com
> Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 10:41:00 +0530
> To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
> Subject: [Goanet] Query: music venues in Goa
> 
> Dear all: Could someone offer pointers please to the prominent music venues
> in Goa of the yesteryears? Which were the most prominent venues where
> musical performances were held in the past? What were they famous for?
> 
> Any pointers you could give would be much appreciated. Thanks! FN
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Re: [Goanet] QUERY REG. TENANT POLICE VERIFICATION FORM

[Joe Lobo]

  Celes,

 There  has  to  be  some  quasi-legal agency that interprets these  rules ( 
that  to me   seem inconsistent )it`s   no  use  asking  any  senior  
police  officers  as  they  will  most  probably  fob  you  off  with  some  
red-tape.  If  you  could  contact   the  lawyer  Aires  Rodrigues  who  often  
writes in to  this  forum  regarding  legal  matters  he  might  give  you  a  
"pro-bono " solution to  your  problems.
- Original Message - 
From: "celes fernandes" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 9:41 AM
Subject: [Goanet] QUERY REG. TENANT POLICE VERIFICATION FORM






As required by Goa Police, for filling up all the details of the migrants in 
the Form and 
when the form was submitted by the Tenant to the Police Outpost. It is noticed 
that 
some charges about Rs.500.00 are levied by the Police for verification 
of the form for migrants. I was under the impression that this service is free. 
Also if it 
relates to a couple, then one form for the husband along with all the details 
and other form for 
the wife alongwith 5 photographs and I.D. proof each are required to be 
submitted. Is this procedure 
right or wrong as they belong to the same family. Also it is difficult to 
understand why the 
Police charges money from the Tenant. Is it a new system started that sometimes 
Rs.200 and above are charged. Some are not charged while some tenants are 
charged. Earlier no one is charging any money from the tenant as of late it is 
mandatory by the Director General of Police that all owners who keep tenants 
have to submit the form.


Regards
Celes 

Re: [Goanet] Query: Reliable computer sales around Miramar

[Joseph]

Hi,

You can try
Asic Technologies
 Xa-1, Pelican Apartments, First Floor, Altinho Road, Panjim,
(close to Panjim Church)

  I am a customer for several years and they have provided reliable 
service.


Joseph


On 27-Oct-14 6:26 PM, Frederick FN Noronha * फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या * فريدريك 
نورونيا wrote:

Query -- would anyone know a retailer of computer hardware (including
desktops) around the Miramar area? Competitive price and good service are
the criteria here. Many thanks! FN