Re: [Goanet] Uncouth Indian hordes
Dear Vivian, The answer is to show them the toilet and to show them how to use it, if they don't know how to use it. But what I see in many of the posts is just mass prejudice, blaming the sins of some on a billion other people. Regards, Victor --- On Sat, 1/5/13, Vivian A. DSouza wrote: From: Vivian A. DSouza Subject: Re: [Goanet] Uncouth Indian hordes To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Date: Saturday, January 5, 2013, 10:22 PM The behaviour of domestic tourists in India is most likely due to the potrayal of Goans in Indian movies as drunks and the women having loose morals. So they come to Goa thinking that they can have easy pickings. As for their sanitary habits, they behave just the way that is normal for them in the areas that they come from. Regarding toileting habits, I had a toilet and a small house built specially to house the occasional migrant worker that I hired when I first came to Goa. I asked them to use the toilet instead of defecating around my property or the adjoining properties. I did not trealize that these migrant workers had never seen a modern toilet with a flushing system. They just defecated until the toilet bowl was full without once pulling the flushing chain. When several days later I asked one of my Goan workers to check on the toilet, they reported the unbearable scene. So having a toilet available for people used to defecating in the woods is not the answer.
Re: [Goanet] Uncouth Indian hordes
Thanks for pointing that out, Gabriel. I know there are portable public toilets in Pangim, but I do not recall seeing public toilets in any of the villages I have visited, and I drive around quite a bit. But since a beginning has been made in the cities, we must hope that toilets will eventually be introduced in the villages as well. Warm regards to yourself and your loved ones, I remember the pleasant hours Lea and I spent in your home, the Beethoven sonata you performed, and the vegetable garden in your backyard! Victor --- On Sun, 1/6/13, Gabriel de Figueiredo wrote: From: Gabriel de Figueiredo Subject: Re: [Goanet] Uncouth Indian hordes To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" Date: Sunday, January 6, 2013, 10:32 AM I am sorry to say, Victor, that you did not read my message correctly. I asked, "Are there any functional public toilets in the area?" in response to Bernice's post. If there are no functional toilets in the area, there is no point complaining. Motivate the panchayats and local government bodies to build such public conveniences first. > >From: Victor Rangel-Ribeiro >To: Bernice Pereira ; estb. 1994!Goa's premiere >mailing list >Sent: Sunday, 6 January 2013 5:53 AM >Subject: Re: [Goanet] Uncouth Indian hordes > >Dear Bernice and Gabriel, > In my village, which is no different from most other villages, some of my >neighbours take in extra boarders, in direct violation of panchayat >regulations. Panchayat rules also decree that people who do this should >provide ex number of toilet inside their house in proportion to the number of >boarder they take in. However, the homeowners do not provide such amenities, >and instead ask their boarders to go and defecate in the woods and the hill >slop behind our house and other people's houses as well. > While you complain about "uncouth Indian hordes", what do you think about >our own Goan homeowners in the situation I have just described? What epithet >would you like to use to describe them? > Are we not uncouth ourselves? > And if you tell me that only some of us are uncouth, I would remind you >that the same applies to those we have been attacking. Only some of our >visitors are uncouth, as opposed to the millions of Indians who are not. > Very best regards to the two of you, and also to BC, who is probably >dying to pitch in. > Victor > >--- On Fri, 1/4/13, Bernice Pereira wrote: > >From: Bernice Pereira >Subject: [Goanet] Uncouth Indian hordes >To: "Goanet" >Date: Friday, January 4, 2013, 12:12 PM > >"Are there any functional public toilets in the area?" by Gabriel de >Figueiredo. Good question. Probably no functioning public toilets. The >stinking masses that invade Goa during this time don't need functioning >toilets, any place is fit to defecate...the beaches,the fields...you name it. >Nobody stops or fines them you see. > >Bernice > > >
Re: [Goanet] Uncouth Indian hordes
I am sorry to say, Victor, that you did not read my message correctly. I asked, "Are there any functional public toilets in the area?" in response to Bernice's post. If there are no functional toilets in the area, there is no point complaining. Motivate the panchayats and local government bodies to build such public conveniences first. > >From: Victor Rangel-Ribeiro >To: Bernice Pereira ; estb. 1994!Goa's premiere >mailing list >Sent: Sunday, 6 January 2013 5:53 AM >Subject: Re: [Goanet] Uncouth Indian hordes > >Dear Bernice and Gabriel, > In my village, which is no different from most other villages, some of my >neighbours take in extra boarders, in direct violation of panchayat >regulations. Panchayat rules also decree that people who do this should >provide ex number of toilet inside their house in proportion to the number of >boarder they take in. However, the homeowners do not provide such amenities, >and instead ask their boarders to go and defecate in the woods and the hill >slop behind our house and other people's houses as well. > While you complain about "uncouth Indian hordes", what do you think about >our own Goan homeowners in the situation I have just described? What epithet >would you like to use to describe them? > Are we not uncouth ourselves? > And if you tell me that only some of us are uncouth, I would remind you >that the same applies to those we have been attacking. Only some of our >visitors are uncouth, as opposed to the millions of Indians who are not. > Very best regards to the two of you, and also to BC, who is probably >dying to pitch in. > Victor > >--- On Fri, 1/4/13, Bernice Pereira wrote: > >From: Bernice Pereira >Subject: [Goanet] Uncouth Indian hordes >To: "Goanet" >Date: Friday, January 4, 2013, 12:12 PM > >"Are there any functional public toilets in the area?" by Gabriel de >Figueiredo. Good question. Probably no functioning public toilets. The >stinking masses that invade Goa during this time don't need functioning >toilets, any place is fit to defecate...the beaches,the fields...you name it. >Nobody stops or fines them you see. > >Bernice > > >
Re: [Goanet] Uncouth Indian hordes
Viv, The people you're describing are victims of the situation. I guess our ancestors encountered similar challenges too, sometime in the past. FN On 6 January 2013 08:52, Vivian A. DSouza wrote: > Regarding toileting habits, I had a toilet and a small house built > specially to house the occasional migrant worker that I hired when I first > came to Goa. I asked them to use the toilet instead of defecating around > my property or the adjoining properties. I did not trealize that these > migrant workers had never seen a modern toilet with a flushing system. > They just defecated until the toilet bowl was full without once pulling > the flushing chain. When several days later I asked one of my Goan > workers to check on the toilet, they reported the unbearable scene. So > having a toilet available for people used to defecating in the woods is not > the answer. >
Re: [Goanet] Uncouth Indian hordes
The behaviour of domestic tourists in India is most likely due to the potrayal of Goans in Indian movies as drunks and the women having loose morals. So they come to Goa thinking that they can have easy pickings. As for their sanitary habits, they behave just the way that is normal for them in the areas that they come from. Regarding toileting habits, I had a toilet and a small house built specially to house the occasional migrant worker that I hired when I first came to Goa. I asked them to use the toilet instead of defecating around my property or the adjoining properties. I did not trealize that these migrant workers had never seen a modern toilet with a flushing system. They just defecated until the toilet bowl was full without once pulling the flushing chain. When several days later I asked one of my Goan workers to check on the toilet, they reported the unbearable scene. So having a toilet available for people used to defecating in the woods is not the answer.
Re: [Goanet] Uncouth Indian hordes
Dear Bernice and Gabriel, In my village, which is no different from most other villages, some of my neighbours take in extra boarders, in direct violation of panchayat regulations. Panchayat rules also decree that people who do this should provide ex number of toilet inside their house in proportion to the number of boarder they take in. However, the homeowners do not provide such amenities, and instead ask their boarders to go and defecate in the woods and the hill slop behind our house and other people's houses as well. While you complain about "uncouth Indian hordes", what do you think about our own Goan homeowners in the situation I have just described? What epithet would you like to use to describe them? Are we not uncouth ourselves? And if you tell me that only some of us are uncouth, I would remind you that the same applies to those we have been attacking. Only some of our visitors are uncouth, as opposed to the millions of Indians who are not. Very best regards to the two of you, and also to BC, who is probably dying to pitch in. Victor --- On Fri, 1/4/13, Bernice Pereira wrote: From: Bernice Pereira Subject: [Goanet] Uncouth Indian hordes To: "Goanet" Date: Friday, January 4, 2013, 12:12 PM "Are there any functional public toilets in the area?" by Gabriel de Figueiredo. Good question. Probably no functioning public toilets. The stinking masses that invade Goa during this time don't need functioning toilets, any place is fit to defecate...the beaches,the fields...you name it. Nobody stops or fines them you see. Bernice
Re: [Goanet] uncouth Indian hordes
Bernice, Sure, these and more will be put into effect. When you vote for GSRP in the 2017 Cheers floriano goasuraj 9890470896 www.goasu-raj.org - Original Message - From: Bernice Pereira To: Goanet Cc: floriano.l...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 9:26 PM Subject: uncouth Indian hordes Good suggestions Floriano if they are put into effect. Also people messing around in public places should be heavily fined to serve as a deterrent. Fines are the best solution. Has anyone seen the stinking fields around the Anjuna flea market. How can we remain apathetic to this awful mess. Bernice Pereira
Re: [Goanet] uncouth Indian hordes strike again by Rajan Parrikar-issue 1080
If Goa is currently considered a part of India, no problems. But Goa does not have to do is to entertain any riff-raff just because it is Indian. Does it? That is why Special Status is very much the need of the hour for Goa. Where there is will, there is a way. Whether it is railway stations, entry points, airport or seaport. The vigilance must be there not to make Goa a hotch-potch of India. I agree, that this is a manmoth task, but accost this situtation with planned caution, and the message sent will be just right. "Do not take GOA for GRANTED" And, This can and will be done when Goa has it's own High Command in Goa. Not otherwise. Cheers floriano goasuraj 9890470896 www.goasu-raj.org - Original Message - From: "Gabriel de Figueiredo" To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 5:20 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet] uncouth Indian hordes strike again by Rajan Parrikar-issue 1080 Nice, in theory, but how do you expect this to be policed? Visas? Policing may be fine at airport, but what about people coming by road? By train? Seems impractical to me. There'd be large queues of traffic at the border; and there would be a need for "border police" presence on trains. As it is, it appears that Goa Police conveniently disappear from the bridges allowing these out-of-state vehicles to travel recklessly overtaking every possible vehicle on the bridges without care, especially on the 31st. All racing to reach their north Goa destination as soon as possible so that their thirst for mhaja may be quenched... In addition, would such policing be legal, since Goa is now considered part of India? From: floriano lobo To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" Cc: Bernice Pereira Sent: Wednesday, 2 January 2013 8:19 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] uncouth Indian hordes strike again by Rajan Parrikar -issue 1080 How GSRP will clean the Touristic messy scene in Goa. 1. Airport and all entry points into Goa shall be tightened to check visitors coming in do have hotel bookings/reservations, guest house, rented place, government dormitories, friends etc. If they do not have this requirement, then they shall not be allowed to enter into Goa or at least make such arrangement first at the entry point and then leave. The reservations/accomodations shall be cross-chequeed. If this is not practicable, then representative/s of such accommodation/s shall be required to be present at the entry-point. This will stop people coming in by bus loads and vans, eating, defecating and sleeping in fields, vacant plots, and, what is worse, in parks, gardens and on promenades like Panjim, Campal and Miramar, etc. There is no one to stop this in Goa because we have Indian Governing System where any and all Indians are welcome, even beggars.
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Are there any functional public toilets in the area? > >From: Bernice Pereira >To: Goanet >Sent: Thursday, 3 January 2013 2:56 AM >Subject: [Goanet] uncouth Indian hordes > >Good suggestions Floriano if they are put into effect. Also people messing >around in public places should be heavily fined to serve as a deterrent. Fines >are the best solution. > > Has anyone seen the stinking fields around the Anjuna flea market. How can >we remain apathetic to this awful mess. > >Bernice Pereira > > >
Re: [Goanet] uncouth Indian hordes strike again by Rajan Parrikar -issue 1080
Nice, in theory, but how do you expect this to be policed? Visas? Policing may be fine at airport, but what about people coming by road? By train? Seems impractical to me. There'd be large queues of traffic at the border; and there would be a need for "border police" presence on trains. As it is, it appears that Goa Police conveniently disappear from the bridges allowing these out-of-state vehicles to travel recklessly overtaking every possible vehicle on the bridges without care, especially on the 31st. All racing to reach their north Goa destination as soon as possible so that their thirst for mhaja may be quenched... In addition, would such policing be legal, since Goa is now considered part of India? > >From: floriano lobo >To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" >Cc: Bernice Pereira >Sent: Wednesday, 2 January 2013 8:19 PM >Subject: Re: [Goanet] uncouth Indian hordes strike again by Rajan Parrikar >-issue 1080 > >How GSRP will clean the Touristic messy scene in Goa. > >1. Airport and all entry points into Goa shall be tightened to check visitors >coming in do have hotel bookings/reservations, guest house, rented place, >government dormitories, friends etc. If they do not have this requirement, >then they shall not be allowed to enter into Goa or at least make such >arrangement first at the entry point and then leave. The >reservations/accomodations shall be cross-chequeed. If this is not >practicable, then representative/s of such accommodation/s shall be required >to be present at the entry-point. This will stop people coming in by bus loads > and vans, eating, defecating and sleeping in fields, vacant plots, and, >what is worse, in parks, gardens and on promenades like Panjim, Campal and >Miramar, etc. There is no one to stop this in Goa because we have Indian >Governing System where any and all Indians are welcome, even beggars. > >
Re: [Goanet] uncouth Indian hordes strike again by Rajan Parrikar -issue 1080
Goa, YOU, have voted enough for the NATIONAL PARTIES And what have you GOANS got? Now, hence forth, at least in 2017, you vote for GSRP the only Goa's own Party that is capable of setting-up GOA'S OWN HIGH COMMAND IN GOA. Then and only then, this, what you GOANS do not like will stop HAPPENING and pronto. Because, these sensitive decisions will be taken in your own GOA [not Delhi, Nagpur & Baramati, UP, Bihar etc] by Y O U as GOA's Own High Command in your GOA. Cheers and Happy New Year floriano goasuraj 9890470896 www.goasu-raj.org - Original Message - From: "Bernice Pereira" To: "Goanet" Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 9:25 AM Subject: [Goanet] uncouth Indian hordes strike again by Rajan Parrikar -issue 1080 Mr. Rajan Parrikar has described these miscreants very aptly. Not only Miramar, you must see Anjuna and other villages. It is totally traffic locked, one cannot move out of the vlllage. The roads are absolutely unsafe for pedestrians thanks to these drinking and drugging devils for whom Goa is a paradise, for us paradise lost. Our own children swear never to come here again during this time. In what way are these scums of the earth supporting the economy? They drive away foreign tourists, (no decent foreigners come here in December, except for the very low budget ones), they live on the beaches and mess them up, they scream and shout on the roads during the entire night not letting anyone sleep in peace. Please something must be done to curtail these terrible people. Oherwise Goa can only be labelled as an unsafe, lawless state. Bernice Pereira
Re: [Goanet] uncouth Indian hordes strike again by Rajan Parrikar -issue 1080
How GSRP will clean the Touristic messy scene in Goa. 1. Airport and all entry points into Goa shall be tightened to check visitors coming in do have hotel bookings/reservations, guest house, rented place, government dormitories, friends etc. If they do not have this requirement, then they shall not be allowed to enter into Goa or at least make such arrangement first at the entry point and then leave. The reservations/accomodations shall be cross-chequeed. If this is not practicable, then representative/s of such accommodation/s shall be required to be present at the entry-point. This will stop people coming in by bus loads and vans, eating, defecating and sleeping in fields, vacant plots, and, what is worse, in parks, gardens and on promenades like Panjim, Campal and Miramar, etc. There is no one to stop this in Goa because we have Indian Governing System where any and all Indians are welcome, even beggars. 2. This system of entry into Goa shall be well advertized before the tourist season commences so that there should be no EXCUSE. 3. Vigilance shall be vested with the 'Tourist Police' with the Toursist Police well equipped and sensitized. If any serious lapses do take place because of the negligence of the Tourist Police personnel, then the Chief of the Tourist Police force will be AXED on immediate basis without questions asked. Just like India requires a very strong deterrent for rape, which according to GSRP must be 'physical castration' of the culprit/s at the site of hanging and then hanged or handing over of the culprit/s to the 'PUBLIC' to do what it wants to do with them. If we want to arrest this 'rape' trend which has gone out of hand, rapists should not be even alive to contest elections. To start with, all parliamentarians and state legislators who are accused of rapes mush be CASTRATED forthwith, dismissed. Only then the Law should be passed against RAPES as above. The so called weeping Sonia Gandhi is for the public consumption and those who write about it in editorials are suspects of child abuses. India cannot ever come out with a strong enough deterrent and Rapes will be common place UNLESS one or two PARLIAMENTARIANS and STATE LEGISLATORS are given the same experience that the BRAVEHEART has suffered. During the Portuguese era in Goa, it must be remembered that there were not even robberies, forget about murders and rapes. If at all these had happened, then the culprits were made to wish they were not BORN in the first place. There was no chance given to repeat anything like this. There was an instance when the Portuguese Commandant of the Military outpost in Altinho Panjim was shot dead by the armed guard on duty because the Commandant walked in, in a drunken state and not heeding to the 'HALT' command. The Guard was promoted. He happened to be a Mozambican Black. This shit Indian Rule that we experience in Goa and elsewhere in the name of Democracy will never come close to what law and order the Portuguese have given to Goa and Goans. Try to do this, what is happening in India and especially our Goa in Singapore. It is a fully Democratic Country but our Goan Charlies who visited Singapore on a study tour which includes Pratapsing Rane, came back to say that Singapore is a POLICE STATE. Here, in Goa, the Police wants to sleep or if they don't want to do that, they are forced to go to sleep by these such like Politicians like Rane, Ravi Naik which includes the IIT'an Master Brain MANOHAR PARRIKAR. The reason is VOTES. Cheers floriano goasuraj 9890470896 www.goasu-raj.org - Original Message - From: "Bernice Pereira" To: "Goanet" Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 9:25 AM Subject: [Goanet] uncouth Indian hordes strike again by Rajan Parrikar -issue 1080 Mr. Rajan Parrikar has described these miscreants very aptly. Not only Miramar, you must see Anjuna and other villages. It is totally traffic locked, one cannot move out of the vlllage. The roads are absolutely unsafe for pedestrians thanks to these drinking and drugging devils for whom Goa is a paradise, for us paradise lost. Our own children swear never to come here again during this time. In what way are these scums of the earth supporting the economy? They drive away foreign tourists, (no decent foreigners come here in December, except for the very low budget ones), they live on the beaches and mess them up, they scream and shout on the roads during the entire night not letting anyone sleep in peace. Please something must be done to curtail these terrible people. Oherwise Goa can only be labelled as an unsafe, lawless state. Bernice Pereira
