[google-appengine] Re: db.ReferenceProperty - need some mechanism for disabling collection

2008-10-11 Thread Ross Ridge

Andy Freeman wrote:
 class A(db.Model):
 pass

 class B(db.Model):
 a = db.ReferenceProperty(A)

 In some cases, it's an error to use instances of A to refer to
 instances of B.

 It would be nice to have some documented way to express that fact, to
 make it so that A.get(key).b_set throws an exception.

I don't know why it would be an error or why you want to throw an
exception, but the b_set attribute is just a query.  You can always
create your own query function that does whatever it is you want.
Maybe something like the following:

 class A(db.Model):
  def get_b_set(self):
if self.cant_refer_back_to_b:
 raise Exception
return self.b_set_private

 class B(db.Model):
   a = db.ReferenceProperty(A, collection_name =
b_set_private)

   Ross Ridge

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[google-appengine] Re: Why python?

2008-10-11 Thread Davide Rognoni

Strange Grammer ? Where is your mind??

On Oct 10, 8:50 am, Leo(雷傲) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I hate python's strange grammer! It's not neccesary to build a new
 style of grammer since the c-like grammer is so successful !

 And I think the OOP is not so great. The procedure programming
 language is still powerful and will continue its power!
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[google-appengine] Re: Timeout - operation took too long

2008-10-11 Thread gg

I am also seeing a lot of time spent in WAIT? Sometimes as much as 3/4
of total CPU for any given set of calls! Has the datastore latency
issue mentioned above been resolved?

Here is an example from a profile run:

 ncalls  tottime  percall  cumtime  percall filename:lineno(function)
   110.6490.0590.9370.085
{google3.apphosting.runtime._apphosting_runtime___python__apiproxy.Wait}


On Oct 2, 2:33 pm, Sylvain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 How can we help for this ?

 Each day, I've several Timeout.
 Do you still need more info about it (date,time, app_id,...) ?

 Regards

 On 30 sep, 18:57, johnP [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  For a while today, I started seeing errors in custom form validation.
  Requesting self.instance in ModelForm form resulted in ValueErrors.
  Now, it seems to have recovered a bit...

  On Sep 30, 9:43 am, Adam Loving [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   I am seeing the datastoretimeouterror intermittently several times a
   day (application = toyvirtualgifts) on a fairly simple put operation.
   Could this be caused by the rest of the request taking too long (like
   if thetimeoutfor the entire request fires during the put)? It
   doesn't seem like that would be the case here, but that's the only
   explanation I can think of.

     File /base/python_lib/versions/1/google/appengine/ext/db/
   __init__.py, line 618, in put
       return datastore.Put(self._entity)
     File /base/python_lib/versions/1/google/appengine/api/
   datastore.py, line 162, in Put
       raise _ToDatastoreError(err)
     File /base/python_lib/versions/1/google/appengine/api/
   datastore.py, line 1627, in _ToDatastoreError
       raise errors[err.application_error](err.error_detail)
  Timeout

   Thanks,
   Adam

   On Sep 28, 3:19 am, Ronald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi,
I don't know how much work has been done on this front, but my app is
still cripple by this issue.
Maybe the amount oftimeouterrors in the log has decrease a little,
but so has the amount of happy users of my site =(

/ronald

On Sep 19, 9:45 pm, Marzia Niccolai [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi,

 Our engineers are looking in to your reports.

 If all of the people experiencing quota issues like this could email 
 me
 directly with your application id, as well as the approximate times 
 these
 errors were occurring, that would be helpful!

 Thanks,
 Marzia

 On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 11:17 AM, Michael Bailey [EMAIL 
 PROTECTED]wrote:

  I got the error below on a app that has almost zero traffic:
  see screenshot:
 http://imagebin.ca/img/3rlwzkBy.png

  Traceback (most recent call last):
   File /base/python_lib/versions/1/google/appengine/ext/webapp/
  __init__.py, line 496, in __call__
     handler.get(*groups)
    File /base/data/home/apps/***/1.4/search.py, line 25, in get
     for kw in kws:
    File /base/python_lib/versions/1/google/appengine/ext/db/
  __init__.py, line 1257, in __iter__
     return self.run()
    File /base/python_lib/versions/1/google/appengine/ext/db/
  __init__.py, line 1589, in run
     query_run = self._proto_query.Run(*self._args, **self._kwds)
   File /base/python_lib/versions/1/google/appengine/ext/gql/
  __init__.py, line 572, in Run
     it = bind_results.Run()
   File /base/python_lib/versions/1/google/appengine/ext/gql/
  __init__.py, line 1211, in Run
     results.append(bound_query.Run())
    File /base/python_lib/versions/1/google/appengine/api/
  datastore.py, line 860, in Run
     return self._Run()
    File /base/python_lib/versions/1/google/appengine/api/
  datastore.py, line 879, in _Run
     apiproxy_stub_map.MakeSyncCall('datastore_v3', 'RunQuery', pb,
  result)
    File /base/python_lib/versions/1/google/appengine/api/
  apiproxy_stub_map.py, line 46, in MakeSyncCall
     stub.MakeSyncCall(service, call, request, response)
   File /base/python_lib/versions/1/google/appengine/runtime/
  apiproxy.py, line 246, in MakeSyncCall
     rpc.CheckSuccess()
   File /base/python_lib/versions/1/google/appengine/runtime/
  apiproxy.py, line 189, in CheckSuccess
     raise self.exception
  OverQuotaError: The API call datastore_v3.RunQuery() required more
  quota than is available.

  On Sep 10, 1:16 pm, Ronald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Hi,
   I'm seeing a number ofTimeouterrors on my log file:

   Traceback (most recent call last):
     File /base/python_lib/versions/1/google/appengine/ext/webapp/
   __init__.py, line 496, in __call__
       handler.get(*groups)
     File /base/data/home/apps/40tazo/2.29/index.py, line 46, in 
   get
       moves = g.move(card,pickups)
     File /base/data/home/apps/40tazo/2.29/game.py, line 231, in 
   move
       self.save()
     File /base/data/home/apps/40tazo/2.29/game.py, 

[google-appengine] Re: GAE Jaxer

2008-10-11 Thread Davide Rognoni

Jaxer's idea is simple. Take the same JavaScript knowledge you use in
building rich internet applications and apply them to the server side
as well.

http://www.insideria.com/2008/01/jaxer-installation-impressions.html


On Oct 10, 10:07 pm, Davide Rognoni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 http://www.aptana.com/jaxer

 Google, let's go!

 :-)
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[google-appengine] Re: datastore exception handling examples

2008-10-11 Thread David


@Marzia Niccolai:

thanks for taking the time to reply, I look forward to the articles
when they come in due course.

In the mean time I'll check out the example code and see what I can
incorporate _

@Bill:

thanks, ill take a look.


On Oct 10, 6:24 pm, Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Are there any articles or sample code, showing how to robustly handle
  datastore exceptions, for production standard code?

 David,

 I recently modified my memcached, sharded counter system to handle
 various datastore 
 exceptions:http://billkatz.com/2008/10/Fault-tolerant-counters-for-App-Engine
 You can look at or copy the open source code referenced in that
 article.

 It also depends on your app requirements.  The above counter shouldn't
 be used for banking, for example, because if there are simultaneous
 memcache and datastore errors, you lose pending increments.  But if
 you want something that minimizes the impact of exceptions for things
 like votes, it's a reasonable approach.

 -Bill
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[google-appengine] Re: datastore transaction question

2008-10-11 Thread David


thanks for your replies, especially yejun, that thread is very
informative, not only now, but of a problem I could see coming when I
need to transact a product from one user to another and money must
also be updated on both users.



On Oct 10, 8:31 pm, yejun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I found an old thread on this 
 topic.http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine/browse_thread/thread/...
 It seems eventual consistency is the only practical option.

 On Oct 9, 1:04 pm, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Hi, a question for all you datastore gurus:

  If I have:

  class User(db.Model):
      money = db.IntegerProperty(required=True)

  class Thing(db.Model):
      cost = db.IntegerProperty(required=True)
      stuff = db.BlobProperty(required=True)

  I need to allow a user to create a new thing and then reference the
  things they have somehow. So a request would be called with the cost
  and the blob data, and I would like to put a new Thing in the
  datastore. But heres the problem, only if the user has enough money to
  create the new Thing.

  This is causing me a issue, as i cant update two separate entity
  groups in one transaction. unless im missing something i dont want to
  group them as the Thing may be sold at a later data to a new User.

  so i need to:

  1)get the users money
  2)if they have enough create the Thing and put it in the datastore
  3)update the users money and reference the Thing to the user somehow
  and re-store

  If any of this fails i need it all to roll back.

  Currently im creating the Thing regardles and performing a transaction
  on the User, if this fails i delete the Thing after. This makes me
  uneasy :)

  any suggestions would be most welcome.
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[google-appengine] Re: page not refreshing properly

2008-10-11 Thread Sylvain

Probably this issue (accepted)

http://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/detail?id=732

On 10 oct, 23:00, Jeff S [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi ae,

 When you say that the page does not refresh properly, could you be
 more specific? Is it that the redirect doesn't happen, or the page
 content is not what you expect?...

 Cheers,

 Jeff

 On Oct 9, 7:17 pm, ae [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I have a Sign Out link that signs somebody out and redirects them back
  to where they were (same url but with slightly different content)...
  but the page doesn't seem to refresh properly all the time.  What's
  the best way to solve this?  Thanks.
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[google-appengine] Re: www [mydomain.org] Already used, please remove previous mapping first.

2008-10-11 Thread jhf555

Worked for me, thanks Marzia.

On Oct 10, 4:15 pm, Marzia Niccolai [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi,

 For directions on how to remove the sites 'www' mapping in Google Apps, I've
 put together a quick page (nothing fancy :)

 http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine/web/deleting-existing...

 This seems to be the issue most people are having when receiving this
 message.

 -Marzia

 On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 11:03 AM, Brade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  In firefox I get the Address Not Found page, which would seem to mean
  that www is free to use if I wanted to.
  but I'm still not allowed to...
  --brad g.

  On Oct 8, 1:51 pm, Marzia Niccolai [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Hi,

   Where are you taken when you hit 'www.yourdomain.com'?This is where the
   subdomain mapping is currently going, when you know that you can disable
   that service mapping to www.

   -Marzia

   On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 1:27 AM, ID [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi, thanks for replying.

I have checked,  'www' is not assigned to Sites, Pages, or anywhere
else.

this is a fresh domain, purchased thru google/enom.

sites assigned to 'sites' and pages assignd to 'pages' subdomains
already by default.

'www' assigned nowhere, yet it shows error 'Duplicate value' when
trying to assign Pages or Sites.

and shows error 'Already used, please remove previous mapping first'
when trying to assign to Appengine app.

thanks

On Oct 7, 1:24 am, Marzia Niccolai [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi,

 The issue here is that, by default, Google Apps has assigned www to
sites,
 and you have to disable this before mapping www to an App Engine app.

 Unfortunately, it's not very clear on how to do this in the Google
  Apps
 admin panel.

 To get www to work with your app, enable sites, if it isn't already,
  and
go
 to the service settings for sites.  Find and delete the 'www' mapping
  in
the
 service settings.

 After this, you should be able to map your App Engine app
towww.mydomain.com.

 -MarziaOn Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 4:20 AM, Sylvain 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

  Can you create an issue for this ?

 http://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/list

  On 6 oct, 11:09, ID [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Basically problem seems to be is this:

   Google Apps thinks 'www' is assigned to some service, thus
  locking
   'www' so it cant be assigned any other service.

   But user can not see which service 'www' was assigned to by
  Google
   apps, therefore user not able  to changed or disabled it.

   On Oct 5, 7:33 pm, Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Please try the following:

Go to your site's dashboardhttps://
 www.google.com/a/cpanel/[yourdomain.org]/Dashboardhttp://www.google.com/a/cpanel/%5Byourdomain.org%5D/Dashboard
  http://www.google.com/a/cpanel/%5Byourdomain.org%5D/Dashboard
http://www.google.com/a/cpanel/%5Byourdomain.org%5D/Dashboard

From there you'll likely see the Web Pages service set
  towww.yourdomain.org.
Clicking on that will let you rename it (to
  home.yourdomain.orgfor
example).

Hope that helps!
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[google-appengine] Reference collection fetching

2008-10-11 Thread Jeff Nichols

Hello,

Say I have a one-to-many relationship between 'Father' and 'Son'
modeled with a reference property on the Son entity.  After fetching
all sons of a father, are the father references of those sons
prepopulated, or will they also be fetched?  Illustrated in code...

class Father(db.Model):
  name = db.StringProperty()

class Son(db.Model):
  father = db.ReferenceProperty(Father)

father = Father.get_by_key_name(some_key)  # DataStore access
sons = father.son_set.fetch(1000)  # DataStore access
for son in sons:
  logging.info(son.father.name)  # DataStore access???

On a side note, I could figure this out myself if there were some way
to log datastore access.  Have I looked over some way to enabled this
sort of logging?

Thanks,
Jeff



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[google-appengine] Re: Shutdown deployed application?

2008-10-11 Thread Bryan A. Pendleton

I don't think you can as a first-order operation. But, you could
easily upload a version of your app that is shut down (possibly with
nice, simple, static messages to that effect). If you upload it under
a different version string (change version: in app.yaml), then you'd
be able to shut down the app by switching the version in the
Versions section of the dashboard.

Of course, anyone who can guess your other version string could still
access the old app, so this isn't as complete as an actual app-logic
level change.

On Oct 11, 1:00 am, GMan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi,

 Is there a way to shutdown the application once it isdeployed?  Is
 this possible thru the Dashboard?  If so, is it also possible to
 restart it, or can you simply re-deploy it?

 Thanks,
 GMan
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[google-appengine] Re: Reference collection fetching

2008-10-11 Thread Jeff Nichols

Answering my own question here...

father = Father.all().filter(name =, John).get()
father.name = Doe
sons = father.son_set.fetch(1000)
print sons[0].father.name  #prints 'John'

Maybe I'm just used to more 'traditional' ORM systems, but that seems
to me unintuitive.  Not too mention inefficient.  Since Google is so
concerned with performance, you'd think they would have built-in some
sort of level 1 cache for entities.  Oh well...

And I'd still like to be able to have a datastore access log.

Jeff


On Oct 11, 4:29 pm, Jeff Nichols [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello,

 Say I have a one-to-many relationship between 'Father' and 'Son'
 modeled with a reference property on the Son entity.  After fetching
 all sons of a father, are the father references of those sons
 prepopulated, or will they also be fetched?  Illustrated in code...

 class Father(db.Model):
   name = db.StringProperty()

 class Son(db.Model):
   father = db.ReferenceProperty(Father)

 father = Father.get_by_key_name(some_key)  # DataStore access
 sons = father.son_set.fetch(1000)  # DataStore access
 for son in sons:
   logging.info(son.father.name)  # DataStore access???

 On a side note, I could figure this out myself if there were some way
 to log datastore access.  Have I looked over some way to enabled this
 sort of logging?

 Thanks,
 Jeff
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[google-appengine] how to create a plugable system and API without pkg_resources

2008-10-11 Thread sevenseeker

I have become used to / spoiled with entry points from pkg_resources
and setuptools.

What is a similar system that avoids too much reinventing of the
wheel?

The goal is to facilitate a plugable system where directories or files
(much like with eggs) can be dropped in the appropriate directory and
extend the system through existing extension points as well as define
new ones.  I am most familiar with the Trac use of this and really
like it.

That said, I am very open to suggestions on how to use another system
(hopefully not homegrown as I am sure many others do this).

Thank you,
Jason
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[google-appengine] Re: how to create a plugable system and API without pkg_resources

2008-10-11 Thread Josh Heitzman

It isn't impossible to use pkg_resources and setuptools with GAE.
Pylons makes use of these and appengine-monkey ( 
http://code.google.com/p/appengine-monkey/
) was created to get Pylons working on GAE.  If you aren't using
Pylons appengine-monkey still may prove useful to you.

On Oct 11, 10:51 am, sevenseeker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I have become used to / spoiled with entry points from pkg_resources
 and setuptools.

 What is a similar system that avoids too much reinventing of the
 wheel?

 The goal is to facilitate a plugable system where directories or files
 (much like with eggs) can be dropped in the appropriate directory and
 extend the system through existing extension points as well as define
 new ones.  I am most familiar with the Trac use of this and really
 like it.

 That said, I am very open to suggestions on how to use another system
 (hopefully not homegrown as I am sure many others do this).

 Thank you,
 Jason
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[google-appengine] Re: unable to add 'www' subdomain for app engine service

2008-10-11 Thread Adam Fisk

Hi Marzia-

A slight variation on it worked -- thanks!  I just had to first add a
mapping in Google sites for www and then delete it once it was
there.  It was not there by default.

All set now though -- thanks again.

-Adam


On Oct 10, 4:16 pm, Marzia Niccolai [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi,

 Can you follow the directions here:

 http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine/web/deleting-existing...

 To see if this helps?  The common case seems like Google Sites is using
 'www' whether or not Sites is enabled.

 -Marzia

 On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 5:55 PM, Adam Fisk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  littleshoot.org.  I didn't realize it was a www issue at first, but it
  definitely is.  I'm able to add multiple other subdomains no problem.

  On Oct 9, 1:33 pm, Marzia Niccolai [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Hi Adam,

   With which domain are you experiencing this issue?

   -Marzia

   On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 1:27 PM, Adam Fisk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I have the exact same problem.  Any solutions?  The unfortunately
result is *my site is completely down.*  This makes it virtually
impossible to port a www.* site, which would account for, well, most
of the sites on the Internet.

-Adam

On Oct 9, 11:13 am, ajablo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello,

 the domain in question is probud.info
 At the very begining it returned a 404, but it seemed like it
 originated from google page creator team (???)
 Then I configured google sites (it was google pages before I guess)
  in
 my apps profile to use 'www' prefix and it worked perfectly for
  sites.
 What I did then was to change the sites prefix from 'www' to
 'temp' (both in my domain's CNAME records) just to try if maybe this
 time my appengine's service will work under 'www', unfortunately it
 didn't. Any attempt to assign it to appengine service is simply
 ignored without any error message.
 Current status is: I disabled sites completely for my domain (prefix
 history for sites is 'www' - 'temp' - disabled), when I open
bothwww.probud.infoandtemp.probud.infoI get 'forbidden error 403'
  now.
 Assigning 'www' to my appengine service still fails.
 It seems like google has a big mess in there?

 Many thanks for your help,
 Adam

 On Oct 9, 6:57 pm, Marzia Niccolai [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Hi,

  Can you please reply with the domain experiencing the issue?  Also
  if
you go
  towww.yourdomain.comanditdoesnot return a 404, what is shown would
  indicate what service it's currently mapped to.

  -Marzia

  On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 5:31 AM, ajablo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

   Hello,
   All my attempts to add 'www'subdomainto host my app as a
   AppEngine service in Google Apps fail silently. No error message.
  I
   can add
   any othersubdomain, like 'temp' or whatever with success. And I
  would
   like
   to assure that there are no other services configured to use
  'www'
  subdomain.
   Many thanks for your help,
   Adam
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[google-appengine] Google stop emailing comments

2008-10-11 Thread max7

I have created issue asking google to stop email us every silly
comment like +1 in issues.

http://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/detail?id=780

Please, star it. I do not see any other way from getting rid off those
emails. I still wish to support Java and HTTPS.

I can create rule to delete [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Issue in
Subject but I believe I can loose some good email.

May be should have option to unsubscribe from comments in some issues.

Thanks
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[google-appengine] Re: Datastore: Query for .key does not work

2008-10-11 Thread Roy Leban

On Aug 22, 9:55 am, Marzia Niccolai [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  You can't query for the key, there is really no need.

I disagree that there is no need. I have some code that deals with a
wide variety of models. The name of the model is passed in, so I do
not have the model object. I want to do a query like this:

  q = db.GqlQuery(SELECT * FROM %s WHERE KEY = :k % tablename,
k=key)
orq = db.GqlQuery(SELECT * FROM %s WHERE :f = :v % tablename,
f=field, v=value)   # f happens to be key

but I can't. Yes, I can do this (and it's how I handled it):

  eval(tablename).get(key)

but (a) this is considerably clunkier, (b) it throws errors instead of
handling an invalid table or key gracefully with no results returned,
and (c) it doesn't support the second case, where the field name is a
parameter -- you have to special case if (field.lower()==key)
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[google-appengine] Cant see my image and favicon :(

2008-10-11 Thread warlock24

Hello,

I have 2 url's:

* http://shinobiwars.appspot.com/ranking
- each img alt= src=avatars/default.png / is displayed corectly


* http://shinobiwars.appspot.com/user/profile
- img alt= src=avatars/default.png / is not visible :[

why?



my app.yaml
**
application: shinobiwars
version: 1
api_version: 1
runtime: python

handlers:
- url: /avatars
  static_dir: avatars

- url: /favicon.ico
  static_files: template/favicon.ico
  upload: template/favicon.ico

- url: .*
  script: main.py
***

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[google-appengine] Re: hackathon in Toronto, Canada?

2008-10-11 Thread Ilia Lobsanov

Hmm two responses, not bad but could be better. I know there are more
people in Toronto doing GAE.

Now that the GAE Engineers have released Google Hackathon in a Box, I
would like to implement a Toronto GAE Hackathon based on that. I have
some ideas on venues. In the meantime, I've done the first step and
sent an email to hackathonInABox.

ilia.

On Aug 18, 1:21 pm, AndyTI [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I would love ahackathoninToronto!

 On Aug 17, 8:40 pm, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I am interested.

  Mike,

  On Aug 16, 5:21 pm, Ilia Lobsanov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   Anyone up for ahackathonorhackathon-like event inToronto, Canada?
   Please post a comment so I can gauge the interest.

   As an aside, is there an official channel for setting up GAE
   hackathons? Or can anyone start one?

   ilia
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[google-appengine] Re: Reference collection fetching

2008-10-11 Thread Andy Freeman

If you put your own __init__ in your model classes, you can count how
many times instances are created.  You can then watch the count to
figure out where/when those model classes are created.  Since
successful datastore queries create instances of model classes

# watch A._counter
class A(db.Model):
_counter = 0
def __init__(self, *args, **kwds):
A._counter += 1
super(A, self).__init__(*args, **kwds)

On Oct 11, 10:55 am, Jeff Nichols [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Answering my own question here...

 father = Father.all().filter(name =, John).get()
 father.name = Doe
 sons = father.son_set.fetch(1000)
 print sons[0].father.name  #prints 'John'

 Maybe I'm just used to more 'traditional' ORM systems, but that seems
 to me unintuitive.  Not too mention inefficient.  Since Google is so
 concerned with performance, you'd think they would have built-in some
 sort of level 1 cache for entities.  Oh well...

 And I'd still like to be able to have a datastore access log.

 Jeff

 On Oct 11, 4:29 pm, Jeff Nichols [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



  Hello,

  Say I have a one-to-many relationship between 'Father' and 'Son'
  modeled with a reference property on the Son entity.  After fetching
  all sons of a father, are the father references of those sons
  prepopulated, or will they also be fetched?  Illustrated in code...

  class Father(db.Model):
    name = db.StringProperty()

  class Son(db.Model):
    father = db.ReferenceProperty(Father)

  father = Father.get_by_key_name(some_key)  # DataStore access
  sons = father.son_set.fetch(1000)  # DataStore access
  for son in sons:
    logging.info(son.father.name)  # DataStore access???

  On a side note, I could figure this out myself if there were some way
  to log datastore access.  Have I looked over some way to enabled this
  sort of logging?

  Thanks,
  Jeff- Hide quoted text -

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[google-appengine] Re: db.ReferenceProperty - need some mechanism for disabling collection

2008-10-11 Thread Andy Freeman

It's an error in the sense that I know that any code that tries to use
certain back links, a.b_set in this example, is wrong according to
what I know about my schema.

Since I don't define b_set in A if I want back links, I'd really
rather not say that I don't want b_set in A if I don't want it,
especially if the way I say it looks a lot like a definition of b_set.

I suppose that I could make my own version of db.Reference property
that create a random name for unwanted backlinks.

On Oct 10, 11:51 pm, Ross Ridge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Andy Freeman wrote:
  class A(db.Model):
      pass

  class B(db.Model):
      a = db.ReferenceProperty(A)

  In some cases, it's an error to use instances of A to refer to
  instances of B.

  It would be nice to have some documented way to express that fact, to
  make it so that A.get(key).b_set throws an exception.

 I don't know why it would be an error or why you want to throw an
 exception, but the b_set attribute is just a query.  You can always
 create your own query function that does whatever it is you want.
 Maybe something like the following:

      class A(db.Model):
           def get_b_set(self):
                 if self.cant_refer_back_to_b:
                      raise Exception
                 return self.b_set_private

      class B(db.Model):
            a = db.ReferenceProperty(A, collection_name =
 b_set_private)

                                    Ross Ridge
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[google-appengine] Re: db.ReferenceProperty - need some mechanism for disabling collection

2008-10-11 Thread Ross Ridge

Andy Freeman wrote:
 I suppose that I could make my own version of db.Reference property
 that create a random name for unwanted backlinks.

If that's all you want then just give it a name that, like in my
example, says that it shouldn't be used.  There's nothing you can do
enforce your schema.  If someone wants to find all the B's that
refer to a given A, they can just create their own query.

  Ross Ridge

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[google-appengine] Re: a way to determine image size would be greatly appreciated

2008-10-11 Thread cz

Thanks Jeff, that is indeed pretty much the same issue. I swear I
searched for it, but it was late...

Anyways, I'm loving the GAE with Django 1.0.
I'm excited to see how it evolves.

thanks,
- Claude


On Oct 10, 1:47 pm, Jeff S [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Claude,

 This sounds a bit like the following feature 
 request:http://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/detail?id=435but your
 idea may be slightly different. Feel free to star this one, or file a
 new issue :)

 Thank you,

 Jeff

 On Oct 9, 10:25 pm, cz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  If there was just one thing to add to the Image api, a way to
  determine the image size would be highest on my list.

  It just seems so easy to add... would it not be possible to stuff a
  couple of integers (height,width) along with the image data into the
  image service response ProtocolMessage? Maybe it's not so easy, I
  don't really know.

  But please, please, could someone at Google spend a couple of minutes
  to look into it?

  thanks,
  - Claude


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