Re: [google-appengine] Optimizing the usage of the free quota

[Robert Kluin]

On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 22:49, Brandon Wirtz  wrote:
> Ads.
>
> Sell the users information.
>
> Get to critical mass, pocket the money, go out of business before the money
> runs out.

The last option is probably the best bet.


Seriously though, you're developing an app that needs a backend
service, you sell for $1, and you only hope to get 1000 users?  On one
hand I respect the realistic goal/view, but the *first* thing I'd do
is aim a little higher.  (not meant as an insult)



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Re: [google-appengine] Sockets or Apple Push Notification support in Google App Engine

[Robert Kluin]

Do you have a premier support account?  If so you might want to ask
your dev advocate about this.


Robert




On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 13:42, Giant Fighting Robot  wrote:
> I have outgrown the 3rd party options for push notifications to Apple
> devices.  I heard rumors that Google was planning to add socket support to
> the app engine which would enable me to roll my own push notifications.  I'm
> starting to think that was Channels, which doesn't appear to do what I
> need.  My questions are:
>
> 1) To double check, does the App Engine allow for apple push notifications
> without going through a 3rd party service?  (maybe it was added in and I
> missed it?)
>
> 2) Assuming no, are there any plans to support it in the near future?  I
> don't need a date, but if it's expected in the coming months I might grin
> and bear it until support comes, or if it's completely orthogonal to GAE's
> plans, I'd love to hear that so I can plan accordingly.
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Re: [google-appengine] email sent, but not being received

[Robert Kluin]

People commonly see this when their emails are getting flagged by spam
filters.  Many users have found better deliverability with things like
Amazon SES.




On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 04:19, snowdown  wrote:
> I'm using google app engine to deploy apps for sending emails. It used
> to work fine, however, the emails sent out this passed weekend didn't
> seem to reach anyone(I didn't change any setting). I did some tests
> with hotmail, gmail etc, didn't receive any.
> However, google obviously charged me for the emails I sent, as seen in
> the billing history.
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Re: [google-appengine] Redirect to original href when using federated login

[Robert Kluin]

Maybe I'm not getting what you're saying here, but perhaps you should
urlencode the continue url.






On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 11:41, Ice13ill  wrote:
> I'm using federated login for my app authentication and I have the
> following issue: when users connect with google OpenID the auth
> service doesn't redirect to my original href (redirects to my domain
> +
> the url params but ignores all information after "#").
> To create the login link I use "www.google.com/accounts/o8/id"
>
> When I test in development mode the redirection process works fine.
>
> Also, until 12-16 months ago, I used the Google accounts API option in
> my app setting and I
> remember that after login, the redirect link back to my app contained
> the characters after the history token ( "#" ).
> Is there a workaround for this? or is something I may be doing wrong?
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[google-appengine] Re: Warning: This application is hidden by an alias.

[chiff]

Application Identifier: xxx
Use this identifier in the application's app.yaml or appengine-
web.xml.
Service Account Name:
...@appspot.gserviceaccount.com
Use this name when interacting with external services on behalf of
your application.
Application Default Version URL:
No version of application is depoyed yet.
Authentication Options:

The Google Accounts API includes all Google Accounts. Learn more
Application Identifier Alias:
xxx.appspot.com

This info is in your admin application settings

Hope it helps

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RE: [google-appengine] Optimizing the usage of the free quota

[Brandon Wirtz]

>.  I get at least $9/mo of satisfaction out of being able to point at a
website and say "I did that", even if the community isn't self-sustaining.

 

I like you Jeff. You remind me of me only NICER. (and with better code)

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[google-appengine] Re: Full Text Search Options

[Brian McHughs]

I know there is a hosted search solution hitting the market March
1st.  It is very similar to indextank and probably worth checking out.

www.search-demon.com

Good luck!

Brian

On Feb 10, 9:13 am, Jon McMillan  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> We're 3 weeks from launching our application and in ~8 weeks IndexTank
> will no longer be accessible.  I've been holding my breath waiting for
> a new torch carrier for IndexTank or for App Engine to get full text
> search.
>
> I've been a 1 man army on this project and App Engine taking most of
> the server stuff off my shoulders has been a blessing.  Can anyone
> recommend a hosted search option that I can use to bridge the gap
> between IndexTank and GAE?  Am I best off launching Lucene/Solr on EC2
> myself?
>
> We're dealing with 20k Word documents.  The text has already been
> extracted and can be sent directly.  The content doesn't change often
> and search can lag for months.  I don't need/want page crawling.
>
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RE: [google-appengine] Re: [JDO] Getting an Object by Key will count as "Small Datastore Operations "

[Brandon Wirtz]

I'm pretty sure it is only one read.

 

Entity fetch ops matches read operations.

 


Datastore Write Operations

0.16 Million Ops

Okay


Datastore Read Operations

0.07 Million Ops

Okay


Datastore Small Operations

0.00 Million Ops

Okay


Datastore API Calls

111,701

Okay


Datastore Queries

0

Okay


Blobstore API Calls

0

Okay


Datastore Stored Data

37.17 GBytes

Okay


Blobstore Stored Data

0.00 GBytes

Okay


Data Sent to Datastore API

2.28 GBytes

Okay


Data Received from Datastore API

1.89 GBytes

Okay


Datastore Entity Fetch Ops

69,127

Okay

 

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Re: [google-appengine] Optimizing the usage of the free quota

[Jeff Schnitzer]

On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 11:42 PM, Brett Coffin  wrote:

> Well when you think of an app providing a service and the only source of
> income being the selling of the app and runing the service cost money, in
> the end you will lose money so what do you do ?


I can tell you what I do for my failures:  Just pay the $9/mo.  Think of it
as a living resume that costs about $100 per year.  I get at least $9/mo of
satisfaction out of being able to point at a website and say "I did that",
even if the community isn't self-sustaining.

Jeff

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Re: [google-appengine] Re: [JDO] Getting an Object by Key will count as "Small Datastore Operations "

[Jeff Schnitzer]

On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 11:49 PM, James Gilliam wrote:

>
> The gigantic disappointment is that reading an entity using its id is
> not a small datastore operation ... I would think it should be ...
> instead it is the regular kind of nasty read which is actually two
> read operations.
>
> Thus, there is no such think as a single read operation.
>

Eh?  The billing page explicitly says that Entity Get is one read operation
per entity.  Are you saying this is wrong?  Or are you really doing some
sort of query operation?

Jeff

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Re: [google-appengine] Re: [JDO] Getting an Object by Key will count as "Small Datastore Operations "

[Jeff Schnitzer]

I honestly don't understand your objection.  It seems tautologically
obvious that reading an entity should be a 'read' operation.  I'd be pissed
if it was anything else.

Small operations are like a grab bag of little things that don't amount to
much but need to be represented with a cost anyways.  Each call to the
allocator, each key read in a keys-only query, each step in count() query.

Jeff

On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 11:49 PM, James Gilliam wrote:

> I have tried multiple times to find out EXACTLY what function uses the
> small datastore operation.  I have asked in this group for the info.
> I usually get referred to the billing page that explains that small
> datastore operations are cheaper which was the reason I was asking the
> question.  I notice this thread has a link to the billing page .. a
> fine page indeed ... but good luck finding what datastore function is
> used for small datastore operation.
>
> The gigantic disappointment is that reading an entity using its id is
> not a small datastore operation ... I would think it should be ...
> instead it is the regular kind of nasty read which is actually two
> read operations.
>
> Thus, there is no such think as a single read operation.
>
> It seems mostly pointless to allocate keys without putting values in
> the entity, but there you go.
>
> Thanks
>
> ps. Time to send me the link to the billing page ... Key allocation
> (per key)
>
>
> On Feb 10, 3:10 am, Brian Quinlan  wrote:
> > On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 9:03 PM, poke 
> wrote:
> > > thanks .
> > > finally pm.getObjectById() is  Entity Get ?
> >
> > Yes, you are loading the contents of a datastore entity.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Brian
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Feb 10, 4:05 pm, Brian Quinlan  wrote:
> > >> On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 7:53 PM, poke 
> wrote:
> > >> > Few days ago , i change my code to access by key (not by query) .
> But
> > >> > in Billing report  "Small Datastore Operations " still equal zero
> and
> > >> > "Datastore Reads " same as using query - billing not go to down.
> >
> > >> > JDO pm.getObjectById() method still count as Datastore Reads
> >
> > >> Gets still cost a read operation. See:
> http://code.google.com/appengine/docs/billing.html
> >
> > >> Entity Get (per entity): 1 Read
> > >> Query: 1 Read + 1 Read per entity returned
> >
> > >> Cheers,
> > >> Brian
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[google-appengine] Re: [JDO] Getting an Object by Key will count as "Small Datastore Operations "

[James Gilliam]

I have tried multiple times to find out EXACTLY what function uses the
small datastore operation.  I have asked in this group for the info.
I usually get referred to the billing page that explains that small
datastore operations are cheaper which was the reason I was asking the
question.  I notice this thread has a link to the billing page .. a
fine page indeed ... but good luck finding what datastore function is
used for small datastore operation.

The gigantic disappointment is that reading an entity using its id is
not a small datastore operation ... I would think it should be ...
instead it is the regular kind of nasty read which is actually two
read operations.

Thus, there is no such think as a single read operation.

It seems mostly pointless to allocate keys without putting values in
the entity, but there you go.

Thanks

ps. Time to send me the link to the billing page ... Key allocation
(per key)


On Feb 10, 3:10 am, Brian Quinlan  wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 9:03 PM, poke  wrote:
> > thanks .
> > finally pm.getObjectById() is  Entity Get ?
>
> Yes, you are loading the contents of a datastore entity.
>
> Cheers,
> Brian
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 10, 4:05 pm, Brian Quinlan  wrote:
> >> On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 7:53 PM, poke  wrote:
> >> > Few days ago , i change my code to access by key (not by query) . But
> >> > in Billing report  "Small Datastore Operations " still equal zero and
> >> > "Datastore Reads " same as using query - billing not go to down.
>
> >> > JDO pm.getObjectById() method still count as Datastore Reads
>
> >> Gets still cost a read operation. 
> >> See:http://code.google.com/appengine/docs/billing.html
>
> >> Entity Get (per entity): 1 Read
> >> Query: 1 Read + 1 Read per entity returned
>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Brian
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RE: [google-appengine] Optimizing the usage of the free quota

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Ads.

Sell the users information.

Get to critical mass, pocket the money, go out of business before the money
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Re: [google-appengine] Optimizing the usage of the free quota

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Well when you think of an app providing a service and the only source of 
income being the selling of the app and runing the service cost money, in 
the end you will lose money so what do you do ?

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Re: [google-appengine] Optimizing the usage of the free quota

[Brett Coffin]

Thanks for that, its giving me a bit of hope :) I was starting to get 
depress lol I think I realized that the in-memory idea will not work 
because on top of every thing else ( tell me if i am wrong ) new instances 
of the application could be created if users where located on differente 
continents is that correct ? 

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[google-appengine] Outgoing Bandwidth Not Included In Real Time Charges

[James Gilliam]

Noticed that Outgoing Bandwidth is not included in the real time cost
totals until the end of the day.

I assume this is a bug.

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Re: [google-appengine] Optimizing the usage of the free quota

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On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 10:53 PM, Brett Coffin  wrote:

> Doing the metrix i got with every read/write operation to BigTable to 10
> 000 api calls in 24h before the quota was excided. thats 50 calls per 24h
> for 200 users... Its a geo/social app so 30 to 50 call per user per day
> would be the average...
>

...and when you hit the free datastore limit, you enable billing for $9/mo.
 Less than the cost of a cheap VPS, which is your other option.  And
suddenly you can do 9 million operations per month, which should support at
least 6,000 users by that metric.

Jeff

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RE: [google-appengine] Optimizing the usage of the free quota

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>10 000 api calls in 24h before the quota was

 

Look at the costs per million write/reads. The number of calls a single user
will make per day. Life of the user. Are you cash positive? Or Cash
negative?

 

You can fix a lot of things, but if that number is the wrong direction you
will lose money over time.

 


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RE: [google-appengine] Optimizing the usage of the free quota

[Brandon Wirtz]

>Instances Die when they reach memory limit. What kind of memory usage are
we talking about here do you have a link 

You are on F1 Instances if you are running on a free app so 128m

>when they get bored OK hense the idea of a cronJob to ping it... 



What if you have a user, and you ping and cause a second instance to Spin
up? You might run out of free quota.


>when they reach an age limit. So an instance in use could be terminated and
a new one started at random times ? Is this documented ?



Nope, but if you check a big apps instances you won't find many that are as
old as the last code update.


>so when the scheduler decides you need 180 instances and you only need 1
What do you mean by this scheduler deciding to create 180 instances of my
app ?



The task scheduler that scales up and down your app sometimes goes wonky,
you only pay for in use instances but I often have 40+ instances when I'm
only using 4.


>I know what I am talking about is a bit of a hack but can this work ? I had
a look at memcache but for some reasons I don't think it can serve me... 

Memcache does almost exactly what you were asking about. But It also
mysteriously resets at any given moment with out warning.  You can go "Write
to memcache" and have the next line be "read from memcache" and your entity
could be gone. Not often, but it can happen.

But 500 instances all share memcache so if you say Value=X they will all
know it to be true instantly.






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Re: [google-appengine] Optimizing the usage of the free quota

[Brett Coffin]

Doing the metrix i got with every read/write operation to BigTable to 10 
000 api calls in 24h before the quota was excided. thats 50 calls per 24h 
for 200 users... Its a geo/social app so 30 to 50 call per user per day 
would be the average...

Thanks

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Re: [google-appengine] Optimizing the usage of the free quota

[Brett Coffin]

I did not understand every thing, I was under the impression that 1 
instance is created for my app and my app only... and if the number of 
request received to my instance exceed its capability to answer the 
request, that a new instance in created... ( am I missing someting on that 
? )

Instances Die when they reach memory limit. What kind of memory usage are 
we talking about here do you have a link ?

when they get bored OK hense the idea of a cronJob to ping it... 

when they reach an age limit. So an instance in use could be terminated and 
a new one started at random times ? Is this documented ?

network issues and changes routing OK

so when the scheduler decides you need 180 instances and you only need 1What do 
you mean by this scheduler deciding to create 180 instances of my 
app ?

I know what I am talking about is a bit of a hack but can this work ? I had 
a look at memcache but for some reasons I don't think it can serve me... 

Thanks






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Re: [google-appengine] Optimizing the usage of the free quota

[Jeff Schnitzer]

This is very premature optimization.  If you're talking about a few
thousand users, they'd have to be really busy before it costs you real
coin.  Unless you're doing something exotic like running interactive games
which constantly write to the server, you should stop worrying about this.

Jeff

On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 10:08 PM, Brett Coffin  wrote:

> I suppose that the prospect of it not sucking and not reaching the 2
> million is what I have in mind... more like 1000 if I am lucky ( that would
> probably fall in the sucking category for you I suppose... ) but you are
> right, if a new instance is created it is an issue... I have done a stress
> test of calls every .1 of a second and it did not create new instances, and
> I think that even with more that a 1000 users if wont create a new
> instance... ( if the app did not 'suck' in the end and I was to get an
> exponatial number of users per day I woud update the service )
>
> but in regards to my question about kipping the instance alive with a
> cronJob is this possible... I would like to use the conJob to keep the
> instance alive and to commit the in-memory values to bigTable its just that
> reading and writing from bigTable every time gets me around 200 users ( so
> thats 170$ in my poket and now I have to pay for the service )
>
> Thank you for your post :)
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RE: [google-appengine] Optimizing the usage of the free quota

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Instances Die when they reach memory limit, when they get bored, when they
reach an age limit, when GAE has network issues and changes routing.

 

There is no way to force always serve to the same instance, so when the
scheduler decides you need 180 instances and you only need 1 (and only
billed for one) you can suddenly have a 1 in 1/180 chance of getting a new
instance.

 

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Re: [google-appengine] Optimizing the usage of the free quota

[Brett Coffin]

I suppose that the prospect of it not sucking and not reaching the 2 
million is what I have in mind... more like 1000 if I am lucky ( that would 
probably fall in the sucking category for you I suppose... ) but you are 
right, if a new instance is created it is an issue... I have done a stress 
test of calls every .1 of a second and it did not create new instances, and 
I think that even with more that a 1000 users if wont create a new 
instance... ( if the app did not 'suck' in the end and I was to get an 
exponatial number of users per day I woud update the service )

but in regards to my question about kipping the instance alive with a 
cronJob is this possible... I would like to use the conJob to keep the 
instance alive and to commit the in-memory values to bigTable its just that 
reading and writing from bigTable every time gets me around 200 users ( so 
thats 170$ in my poket and now I have to pay for the service ) 

Thank you for your post :)

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[google-appengine] A couple of upcoming informal GAE hangouts

[Amy Unruh]

Ikai and I are going to run an informal GAE hangout at ~5pm PST Tuesday,
for questions and discussion.  You should be able to spot it in my G+
stream here once it's initiated:
https://plus.google.com/109136855341297709165/posts .  I believe there will
be a 10-participant limit.

There will also likely be a hangout session run along with the upcoming
regular appengine office hours on IRC:
https://developers.google.com/events/ahNzfmdvb2dsZS1kZXZlbG9wZXJzcg0LEgVFdmVudBi7ggcM/

[We're in the process of developing a more regular schedule for office
hour/discussion hangouts (and more); we'll post more information on this
before long. In future the hangouts won't be as limited in the number of
participants.]

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Re: [google-appengine] How to handle HTTPS in development?

[Kaan Soral]

Thanks a lot Robertk
This is exactly what I've been looking for, don't know why I haven't tried 
it before, logically it has no effect on SDK, which is great

And thanks for everyone who answered, thanks for the tip Vivek

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RE: [google-appengine] Re: How do calculate discounted frontend classes instance hours?

[Brandon Wirtz]

It's about buckets :-)

Your refill bucket on discount hours is weekly, but you can use them all the
first day if you like.

This is better for me, we have big days when certain TV shows Air and we
consume 90% of our hours one day.  So a weekly discount works well for us.



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Re: [google-appengine] Re: How do calculate discounted frontend classes instance hours?

[Gregory D'alesandre]

Thanks for the feedback Emanuele.  I can certainly see where you are coming
from.

Greg

On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 5:39 PM, Emanuele Ziglioli <
theb...@emanueleziglioli.it> wrote:

> Awesome!
>
> Also, I find it a bit confusing when I read about instance per hour
> and related costs. I never know whether it's per day or per week. For
> example, when we book some discounted instance hours in advance, we
> need to enter the amount per week. But when the bill shows up, that's
> per day. Similarly, the billing period seems to be weekly, despite
> being able to see a bill every day.
> The pricing here is specified (as stated) per day:
> http://www.google.com/enterprise/cloud/appengine/pricing.html
> It would be helpful if you could be more clear and consistent with
> that simple aspect.
>
> Cheers,
> Emanuele
>
> On Feb 14, 2:09 pm, "Gregory D'alesandre"  wrote:
> > Also, there was indeed a bug introduced last release with the billing
> > reports, that bug has now been fixed and you should see a new and more
> > accurate billing report for your app.
> >
> > Greg
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[google-appengine] Re: How do calculate discounted frontend classes instance hours?

[Emanuele Ziglioli]

Awesome!

Also, I find it a bit confusing when I read about instance per hour
and related costs. I never know whether it's per day or per week. For
example, when we book some discounted instance hours in advance, we
need to enter the amount per week. But when the bill shows up, that's
per day. Similarly, the billing period seems to be weekly, despite
being able to see a bill every day.
The pricing here is specified (as stated) per day:
http://www.google.com/enterprise/cloud/appengine/pricing.html
It would be helpful if you could be more clear and consistent with
that simple aspect.

Cheers,
Emanuele

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> Also, there was indeed a bug introduced last release with the billing
> reports, that bug has now been fixed and you should see a new and more
> accurate billing report for your app.
>
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Re: [google-appengine] Re: How do calculate discounted frontend classes instance hours?

[Gregory D'alesandre]

Also, there was indeed a bug introduced last release with the billing
reports, that bug has now been fixed and you should see a new and more
accurate billing report for your app.

Greg

On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 1:18 PM, Emanuele Ziglioli <
theb...@emanueleziglioli.it> wrote:

> Thanks Greg, now it makes sense!
>
> On Feb 14, 10:08 am, "Gregory D'alesandre"  wrote:
> > Hi Emanuele,
> >
> > That display looks like a bug (that I'll look into), you should see 28
> Free
> > Hours / day.  So your bill should be (96.36-28) * $0.08 = $5.47.  So the
> > monetary calculation is happening correctly but the display is not
> correct.
> >  If you wanted to use discounted instance hours and you use precisely
> > 96/day then you should choose 476 (which is (96-28)*7) per week.
> >
> > I hope that helps!
> >
> > Greg
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Emanuele Ziglioli <
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > theb...@emanueleziglioli.it> wrote:
> > > Can you explain what I see on the Billing History?
> >
> > > ResourceUsedFreeBillableCharge
> > > Frontend Instance Hours
> > > $0.08/Hour   96.36   96.36   96.36  $5.47
> >
> > > I'm running 1 F4 instance 24/7 with occasional spikes.
> > > So I understand that 1 F4 instance generates 4x24 = 96 instance hours
> > > per day.
> > > One instance hour costs $0.08 so the cost of 96 instance hours should
> > > be 96 x $0.08 = $7.68
> >
> > > Why am I being charged $5.47? what's that 96.36 under Free?
> >
> > > If I want to purchase discounted instance hours in advance for 1 F4
> > > instance to run 24/7, should I purchase: 4x24x7 = 672 instances?
> >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Emanuele (app id: sirtrackwms)
> >
> > > On Dec 20 2011, 5:17 pm, gregsz  wrote:
> > > > I'm considering using GAE to build a SaaS business but am having a
> real
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RE: [google-appengine] Optimizing the usage of the free quota

[Brandon Wirtz]

You are optimizing for the wrong things.

 

Your app is  a$1 are 20 people going to use it or 20 million?

How do you know that it won't be 20 million? Did you plan for it to suck?

 

Now that we have established that either your app sucks, so it won't ever go
over the free quota. Or you have decide it won't suck and will, we can talk
about what really matters. Overall price beyond free.

 

If you use the in-instance memory if you get enough traffic to have 2
instance, the info won't be there. That seems like a flaw in your plan.

 

Memcache isn't guaranteed but with a tiering strategy could save you money
over all.

 

I don't have all your answers right away, but think about what you need, and
how your app will grow

 

 


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[google-appengine] Optimizing the usage of the free quota

[Brett Coffin]

Hi, i am trying to make the most of my free quota basicly i am developing 
an Iphone app selling for 1$ and making use of the google app engine 
backend, the fact that the only source of income is the selling of the app 
I can not afford to have to pay for the ungoing service for the app... its 
a very simple service I only store one 'users' table of data so to use all 
of the api calls (657,000) provided by the free quota I plan on reading the 
users table and work ( read/write ) with the in-memory usersArray in my 
application. The thing is, if the app is idle for to long the instance is 
turn off and all my data is lost... So I would like to know if I use a 
conjob to ping or call my service regularly to comit my usersArray to 
bigTable if this would work ? Any feed back on this would be appreciated, I 
am very much of a noob when it comes to backend stategies Thanks... 

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Re: [google-appengine] Understanding my Quota

[Brett Coffin]

Thanks this was very helpful :)


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[google-appengine] Re: What is the email situation now?

[Kaan Soral]

Thanks a lot for the information

Offtopic, I hate Yahoo, 5 years ago they banned my personal email account 
for having 3500 score on Yahoo Pool, I had really important stuff, as 
everyone does, related to that email acc. but they didn't care a bit

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[google-appengine] Re: How to handle HTTPS in development?

[Vivek Puri]

For any urls that you add to your templates, make sure that you dont
put http: in front of them. Just leave them as //www.domain.com. Do a
project wide search and replace(and get 1000 tickets later for broken
stuff).


On Feb 13, 2:30 am, Robert Kluin  wrote:
> Hey Kaan,
>   Have you looked at using "secure: always" in your app.yaml, rather
> than redirecting yourself?
>    http://code.google.com/appengine/docs/python/config/appconfig.html#Se...
>
> Robert
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 21:56, Kaan Soral  wrote:
> > HTTP is great, easy to test on SDK, but https is a pain, SDK doesn't support
> > two IP's.
>
> > I am thinking of building an app that will only use HTTPS, how should I
> > proceed?
>
> > My current solution is to check if we are on Appengine in code, and if we
> > are on Appengine and HTTP, redirect to HTTPS, otherwise SDK would run on
> > HTTP
> > Very inelegant but it would work
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[google-appengine] Re: Conversion API

[Haiming]

Yeah, we are aware that 100 daily free quota is quite low. You can
start to use conversion API first, and let us know when you need more
quota.

On Feb 3, 5:39 pm, Robert Kluin  wrote:
> Hi Michael,
>   It is pretty unlikely for them to confirm if/when it will come out
> of beta.  I can tell you that they are generally pretty good about
> increasing quotas if you've got a real need.  Personally, I'd suggest
> you get going with it, then once you're actually using some portion of
> the quota contact them to get it increased.  At that point you could
> file an issue or catch someone during office hours and they could
> probably help you.
>
> Robert
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 01:16, Michael Beale  wrote:
> > I have been building an appengine product and I have gotten to the point
> > where I need to convert html to pdf.  Theconversionapiseems to be what I
> > want but I'm worried about the 100 daily limit ofapicalls.  Will be ok in
> > the beginning but could cause a problem for me later. I would rather use
> > appengine instead of a 3rd party service. Is this going to change? I'm
> > assuming because it is in beta is the reason it is capped at 100.  If it is
> > going to change, are we looking at coming out of beta soon or a year from
> > now?  Do I have any other options?
>
> > TIA
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Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google App Engine community support is moving to Stack Overflow

[supercobra]

> “Well, over all I think the most of the community is behind it, but 
> Supercobra, and
> Brandon, the guy in the mermaid costume, have expressed some concerns”
>
> “Really? Did you ask G.I. Joe and Batman what they think?“

supercobra's opinion is more important than batman's, because batman
can't code all that well anyway

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[google-appengine] Sockets or Apple Push Notification support in Google App Engine

[Giant Fighting Robot]

I have outgrown the 3rd party options for push notifications to Apple 
devices.  I heard rumors that Google was planning to add socket support to 
the app engine which would enable me to roll my own push notifications.  
I'm starting to think that was Channels, which doesn't appear to do what I 
need.  My questions are:

1) To double check, does the App Engine allow for apple push notifications 
without going through a 3rd party service?  (maybe it was added in and I 
missed it?)

2) Assuming no, are there any plans to support it in the near future?  I 
don't need a date, but if it's expected in the coming months I might grin 
and bear it until support comes, or if it's completely orthogonal to GAE's 
plans, I'd love to hear that so I can plan accordingly.


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[google-appengine] ApiDeadlineExceededException on JDO Query

[Corry Dringenburg]

Hello,

I keep getting periodic ApiDeadlineExceededException on a JDO Query on a 
back end. 

Here's the code chunk: 

NamespaceManager.set(domain);
PersistenceManager pm = GServ.getPM();
Query approvedObjects = pm.newQuery(DomainObject.class);
approvedObjects.setFilter("docsEnabled == true && mode == thisMode");
approvedObjects.declareParameters("String thisMode");
List attached = (List) 
approvedObjects.execute(config.getMode());
List detached = (List) 
pm.detachCopyAll(attached);
pm.close();

As you can see, I'm querying on the class DomainObject with 2 filters. The 
issue is, in the Namespace its querying on, there are no DomainObjects so 
I'm confused as to why I'm exceeding the deadline when there is nothing to 
query on.

Here's the whole error I'm getting: 

com.google.apphosting.api.ApiProxy$ApiDeadlineExceededException: 
The API call datastore_v3.RunQuery() took too long to respond and was 
cancelled.

Thanks,
Corry

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[google-appengine] Re: Reduced email quota for billed application

[esma kerter]

Hi Piotri,

I have same problem , how do you solved this problem?



On 13 Şubat, 11:28, Piotr Duda  wrote:
> Hi Robert,
>
> thanks for the reply, the mail quota problem has been resolved for my
> app.
>
> P.
>
> On Feb 11, 6:52 am, Robert Kluin  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Hi Piotr,
> >   Google said yesterday that they were running a job to correct this
> > issue.  I'd suggest you give it a little more time, then if it isn't
> > fixed file an issue.
>
> >    http://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/entry?template=Produc...
>
> > Robert
>
> > On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 09:33, Piotr Duda  wrote:
> > > Hi,
>
> > > Although I have enabled billing for my application months ago, the
> > > email quota for it has not been raised. This is major issue for the
> > > service I'm running since we notify users about different sorts of
> > > events which occur in the system.  Could anyone from the App Engine
> > > team sort this out ?
>
> > > Since I don't want to expose my app_id could you please provide me
> > > with a way to report this issue in a more private manner ?
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Re: [google-appengine] Youtube API Logging

[Shahin Ghaffarian]

thanks

On 2/13/12, Robert Kluin  wrote:
> What happens when you open the logs page, then set the level to error?
>
> Do you have exception handling in your code that's masking the exceptions?
>
>
> Robert
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 06:59, facanferff  wrote:
>> Hi, I'm the developer of a plugin supporting Youtube for Showtime (by
>> Andreas Oman), in my dashboard I see numbers about the errors,
>> uploads, etc. but I can't find a section to see the errors log that
>> happened to my users...
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[google-appengine] email sent, but not being received

[snowdown]

I'm using google app engine to deploy apps for sending emails. It used
to work fine, however, the emails sent out this passed weekend didn't
seem to reach anyone(I didn't change any setting). I did some tests
with hotmail, gmail etc, didn't receive any.
However, google obviously charged me for the emails I sent, as seen in
the billing history.

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[google-appengine] Re: SLOW

[Teddy]

I noticed your ticket had been marked 'resolved' . In our case the issue is 
nowhere near resolved, so after putting a comment on your ticket I appended 
a new ticket http://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/detail?id=6917

please star this one too if the issue is relevant for more people

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[google-appengine] Re: How do calculate discounted frontend classes instance hours?

[Emanuele Ziglioli]

Thanks Greg, now it makes sense!

On Feb 14, 10:08 am, "Gregory D'alesandre"  wrote:
> Hi Emanuele,
>
> That display looks like a bug (that I'll look into), you should see 28 Free
> Hours / day.  So your bill should be (96.36-28) * $0.08 = $5.47.  So the
> monetary calculation is happening correctly but the display is not correct.
>  If you wanted to use discounted instance hours and you use precisely
> 96/day then you should choose 476 (which is (96-28)*7) per week.
>
> I hope that helps!
>
> Greg
>
> On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Emanuele Ziglioli <
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> theb...@emanueleziglioli.it> wrote:
> > Can you explain what I see on the Billing History?
>
> > Resource        Used    Free    Billable        Charge
> > Frontend Instance Hours
> > $0.08/Hour       96.36   96.36   96.36  $5.47
>
> > I'm running 1 F4 instance 24/7 with occasional spikes.
> > So I understand that 1 F4 instance generates 4x24 = 96 instance hours
> > per day.
> > One instance hour costs $0.08 so the cost of 96 instance hours should
> > be 96 x $0.08 = $7.68
>
> > Why am I being charged $5.47? what's that 96.36 under Free?
>
> > If I want to purchase discounted instance hours in advance for 1 F4
> > instance to run 24/7, should I purchase: 4x24x7 = 672 instances?
>
> > Thanks,
> > Emanuele (app id: sirtrackwms)
>
> > On Dec 20 2011, 5:17 pm, gregsz  wrote:
> > > I'm considering using GAE to build a SaaS business but am having a real
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Re: [google-appengine] Re: How do calculate discounted frontend classes instance hours?

[Gregory D'alesandre]

Hi Emanuele,

That display looks like a bug (that I'll look into), you should see 28 Free
Hours / day.  So your bill should be (96.36-28) * $0.08 = $5.47.  So the
monetary calculation is happening correctly but the display is not correct.
 If you wanted to use discounted instance hours and you use precisely
96/day then you should choose 476 (which is (96-28)*7) per week.

I hope that helps!

Greg

On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Emanuele Ziglioli <
theb...@emanueleziglioli.it> wrote:

> Can you explain what I see on the Billing History?
>
> ResourceUsedFreeBillableCharge
> Frontend Instance Hours
> $0.08/Hour   96.36   96.36   96.36  $5.47
>
> I'm running 1 F4 instance 24/7 with occasional spikes.
> So I understand that 1 F4 instance generates 4x24 = 96 instance hours
> per day.
> One instance hour costs $0.08 so the cost of 96 instance hours should
> be 96 x $0.08 = $7.68
>
> Why am I being charged $5.47? what's that 96.36 under Free?
>
> If I want to purchase discounted instance hours in advance for 1 F4
> instance to run 24/7, should I purchase: 4x24x7 = 672 instances?
>
> Thanks,
> Emanuele (app id: sirtrackwms)
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 20 2011, 5:17 pm, gregsz  wrote:
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RE: [google-appengine] Re: Google App Engine community support is moving to Stack Overflow

[Brandon Wirtz]

Ikai,

 

>Supercobra

 

I want to be in the meeting where you present to your manager the reaction
to the news of the move to StackOverflow.

 

"Well, over all I think the most of the community is behind it, but
Supercobra, and Brandon, the guy in the mermaid costume, have expressed some
concerns"

 

"Really? Did you ask G.I. Joe and Batman what they think?"

 

 

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[google-appengine] Re: How do calculate discounted frontend classes instance hours?

[Emanuele Ziglioli]

Can you explain what I see on the Billing History?

ResourceUsedFreeBillableCharge
Frontend Instance Hours
$0.08/Hour   96.36   96.36   96.36  $5.47

I'm running 1 F4 instance 24/7 with occasional spikes.
So I understand that 1 F4 instance generates 4x24 = 96 instance hours
per day.
One instance hour costs $0.08 so the cost of 96 instance hours should
be 96 x $0.08 = $7.68

Why am I being charged $5.47? what's that 96.36 under Free?

If I want to purchase discounted instance hours in advance for 1 F4
instance to run 24/7, should I purchase: 4x24x7 = 672 instances?

Thanks,
Emanuele (app id: sirtrackwms)




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Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google App Engine community support is moving to Stack Overflow

[Ikai Lan (Google)]

Supercobra,

I share your concerns about streamlining the user experience. As it stands,
the user experience isn't great: you have groups, StackOverflow, billing
issues forms, abuse forms, the public issues tracker, Google Groups, Reddit
... I could probably go on. The move to StackOverflow isn't necessarily
 making things more complicated, as our documentation will to updated to
reflect that it is the primary destination for code questions - and in
exchange, the Python/Java groups will be placed into read-only. We've done
this with other products at Google such as Android and experienced
overwhelming success - not only will App Engine Java questions be exposed
to developers following App Engine, they will also be exposed to tens of
thousands of Java developers on StackOverflow. And the tooling! The tooling
will allow us to identify where we need better learning resources, or where
the product needs improvements. We could certainly build this ourselves,
but that detracts from our ability to answer questions, launch features,
and improve the documentation. There are always tradeoffs in those
scenarios.

Hope this helps,

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On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Gregory D'alesandre wrote:

> Hi Mos,
>
> Google is absolutely committed to App Engine and part of the reason we are
> moving the Java/Python groups to StackOverflow is to have better, more
> consolidated answers to questions.  While it might be possible for Google
> to build its own tool tailed to questions and answers, we really like
> StackOverflow in part because it is where a lot of developers go in general
> to get answers to questions.  As I've talked about on this group before, we
> currently have essentially 2 support options: Premier Accounts (for
> $500/month) or StackOverflow / Groups where the community can support it
> and Googlers will sometimes answer questions.  The first has an SLA and the
> second does not.  So, in response to Google investing in better enterprise
> support, I hope that answers the question.
>
> In terms of the concern that this means we are trying to deprecate App
> Engine.  I can honestly and frankly say that there are no plans to do so,
> quite the opposite, we are growing!  Right now we are trying to consolidate
> a variety of places to get answers into 1 to improve how people get
> questions answered.  We are keeping this group (google-appengine) because
> it is a great place for discussions, but when it comes to asking a question
> and getting an answer, we believe StackOverflow is a product more suited to
> do this.
>
> Johan and Ikai both work on the App Engine team so their word is as
> official as mine, but I figured hearing it from more people might help.
>
> Greg D'Alesandre
> Senior Product Manager, Google App Engine
>
> PS - Nice app Andrin, I'm already signed up! :)
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 6:35 AM, Mos  wrote:
>
>> +111
>> absolute agreement;   I would like to hear an official statement from
>> Google regarding long time commitment to GAE ( incl. plans regarding
>> adequate support options).
>>
>> Google, has the best developers in the world. It has so much money to
>> burn. It has the best internet-infrastructure on this planet.
>> If Google would like, I'm sure a self implemented "StackOverflow" for
>> Google-Products would be ready in three month from now.
>> And now they decide to outsource this one to the .NET based
>> StackOverflow, that just lost his founder and brain Jeff Atwood?
>>
>> That really doesn't look like Google has any plans to invest in better
>> enterprise support or make GAE a first class Google product.
>>
>> I hope I'm wrong
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 12:21 AM, Supercobra Thatbytes <
>> superco...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I think this is a terrible idea because it makes people check 2 places
>>> and subscribe to 2 boards. Newcomers to this discussion will have a hard
>>> time knowing about this.
>>>
>>> App Engine team does put enough resources for community and customer
>>> support. I have a paid app and I cannot get my simple billing questions
>>> answered. In the billing interface, there is no link or phone # to use.
>>> Just a link to this forum... unless we pay become a Premier Account for
>>> $500 / month but first we need to talk to the sales team. Really? So
>>> desperate users in need of urgent help post questions on forums and if they
>>> make enough noise and show enough distress, others users help them and
>>> sometimes, in with their immense goodwill and too little available time,
>>> Google Engineers help too.
>>>
>>> Google App Engine team says, 'well support is best effort around here or
>>> get a Premier Account'. I think this is not the way to do it. Together with
>>> Google engineers, WE make Google products what they are because of our deep
>>> involvement.
>>>
>>> This lack of support is general across most Google products. Our company
>>> uses many Google products that

[google-appengine] Re: PIL error - 'type 'ImagingCore'> has type , but expected one of: str, unicode",)'

[googlefox]

The ImagingCore exception was a bug in my code.

I will try with the new webapp2.

On Feb 11, 5:11 pm, Anand Mistry  wrote:
> Can you post a short reproducer? The exception itself doesn't appear very
> useful.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, 12 February 2012 01:51:15 UTC+11, googlefox wrote:
>
> > I am using PIL with GAE to do some image conversions. My app ran fine
> > in dev_appserver, but I am getting errors when I upload and run it in
> > GAE.
>
> > 2012-02-10 13:18:11.907 
> > E 2012-02-10 13:18:11.907 (" has type  > 'ImagingCore'>, but expected one of: str, unicode",)
> > E 2012-02-10 13:18:11.907  has type  > 'ImagingCore'>, but expected one of: str, unicode
>
> > --
>
> > My WSGI handler already has 'debug=true'. I dont know why it is not
> > showing a full stacktrace.
>
> This is an issue with webapp2 which has been fixed upstream
> (http://code.google.com/p/webapp-improved/issues/detail?id=34). Until we
> bundle an updated webapp2 version, you can always include the webapp2
> source with your application.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Any idea why this call would fail?
>
> > feroze.

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[google-appengine] Prospective Search Subscriptions quota

[RNC000]

Hi!

What happens when my app reaches the Prospective Search Subscriptions 
quota? 
Can Google replenish this resource? 
If so, how are subscriptions billed when over quota?

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Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google App Engine community support is moving to Stack Overflow

[Gregory D'alesandre]

Hi Mos,

Google is absolutely committed to App Engine and part of the reason we are
moving the Java/Python groups to StackOverflow is to have better, more
consolidated answers to questions.  While it might be possible for Google
to build its own tool tailed to questions and answers, we really like
StackOverflow in part because it is where a lot of developers go in general
to get answers to questions.  As I've talked about on this group before, we
currently have essentially 2 support options: Premier Accounts (for
$500/month) or StackOverflow / Groups where the community can support it
and Googlers will sometimes answer questions.  The first has an SLA and the
second does not.  So, in response to Google investing in better enterprise
support, I hope that answers the question.

In terms of the concern that this means we are trying to deprecate App
Engine.  I can honestly and frankly say that there are no plans to do so,
quite the opposite, we are growing!  Right now we are trying to consolidate
a variety of places to get answers into 1 to improve how people get
questions answered.  We are keeping this group (google-appengine) because
it is a great place for discussions, but when it comes to asking a question
and getting an answer, we believe StackOverflow is a product more suited to
do this.

Johan and Ikai both work on the App Engine team so their word is as
official as mine, but I figured hearing it from more people might help.

Greg D'Alesandre
Senior Product Manager, Google App Engine

PS - Nice app Andrin, I'm already signed up! :)

On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 6:35 AM, Mos  wrote:

> +111
> absolute agreement;   I would like to hear an official statement from
> Google regarding long time commitment to GAE ( incl. plans regarding
> adequate support options).
>
> Google, has the best developers in the world. It has so much money to
> burn. It has the best internet-infrastructure on this planet.
> If Google would like, I'm sure a self implemented "StackOverflow" for
> Google-Products would be ready in three month from now.
> And now they decide to outsource this one to the .NET based StackOverflow,
> that just lost his founder and brain Jeff Atwood?
>
> That really doesn't look like Google has any plans to invest in better
> enterprise support or make GAE a first class Google product.
>
> I hope I'm wrong
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 12:21 AM, Supercobra Thatbytes <
> superco...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I think this is a terrible idea because it makes people check 2 places
>> and subscribe to 2 boards. Newcomers to this discussion will have a hard
>> time knowing about this.
>>
>> App Engine team does put enough resources for community and customer
>> support. I have a paid app and I cannot get my simple billing questions
>> answered. In the billing interface, there is no link or phone # to use.
>> Just a link to this forum... unless we pay become a Premier Account for
>> $500 / month but first we need to talk to the sales team. Really? So
>> desperate users in need of urgent help post questions on forums and if they
>> make enough noise and show enough distress, others users help them and
>> sometimes, in with their immense goodwill and too little available time,
>> Google Engineers help too.
>>
>> Google App Engine team says, 'well support is best effort around here or
>> get a Premier Account'. I think this is not the way to do it. Together with
>> Google engineers, WE make Google products what they are because of our deep
>> involvement.
>>
>> This lack of support is general across most Google products. Our company
>> uses many Google products that are now business critical for us: Google
>> Apps for Business, Checkout, Analytics, and more. With all of those, if you
>> have a problem, well, it's your problem because you cannot contact anyone.
>>
>> So is it hard to provide good support? Not for every company. We use
>> Amazon S3 and Cloud Service. We are a little tiny customers for them. The
>> other day we had a problem that brought down our SaaS app. Emergency. What
>> do you do when that happens? Well, simple. On Amazon AWS console, click on
>> 'call me I need help now' button and a human calls you within a minute.
>>
>> So Google: use a tiny portion of the immense net revenue to add more
>> community and product support engineers. I bet that will improve the bottom
>> line even further.
>>
>> One last BIG concern. One of the things that first get dropped when a
>> product is going to be retired (i.e. killed) is developer and community
>> support. Java and Python appengine discussion groups are being deprecated
>> and dev support is moved to Stack Overflow. That does not sound like App
>> Engine is going forward to me. More like a huge red flag. Is App Engine
>> business in danger?
>>
>> Telling Google users to use Stack Overflow is the equivalent of
>> displaying a big sign on Google Groups home page saying "use Stack
>> Overflow, it's much better than what we have".
>>
>> As other users suggested, 

[google-appengine] Appengine Owner Deleted

[swalkner]

Hello!

Sorry - I already posted some time ago but I didn't find a solution yet.
WHO can set/reset/whatever my "owner" of an already running appengine?
Is there some administrator/support who is able to do that?

Thank you in advance,
stefan

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Re: [google-appengine] Premier account: No cost control

[Johan Euphrosine]

Since you are a premier customer, have you reported this to the
entreprise support portal yet? I just want to make sure we are not
duplicating effort.

If not, feel free to create a feature request on the public issue
tracker, and link it here.

Thanks in advance.

On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Daniel Florey  wrote:
> sharedgroups
> floreysoftucm
>
> Thanks!
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[google-appengine] Redirect to original href when using federated login

[Ice13ill]

I'm using federated login for my app authentication and I have the
following issue: when users connect with google OpenID the auth
service doesn't redirect to my original href (redirects to my domain
+
the url params but ignores all information after "#").
To create the login link I use "www.google.com/accounts/o8/id"

When I test in development mode the redirection process works fine.

Also, until 12-16 months ago, I used the Google accounts API option in
my app setting and I
remember that after login, the redirect link back to my app contained
the characters after the history token ( "#" ).
Is there a workaround for this? or is something I may be doing wrong?

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[google-appengine] Re: Blobstore migration tool.

[Shawn]

Vinuth,

Until Google has a blobstore migration utility you can use the one
that we wrote:

http://www.vendasta.com/2011/12/16/migrating-blobstore-using-fantasm/

As written, the blog-posting works only prior to aliasing. With some
intervention on Google's part (additional aliases) it also works after
migrating the datastore.

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On Feb 13, 9:56 am, Vinuth Madinur  wrote:
> When can we expect a blobstore migration tool? The latencies are
> increasingly getting slower and is killing.
>
> Thanks,
> Vinuth.

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Re: [google-appengine] Premier account: No cost control

[Daniel Florey]

sharedgroups
floreysoftucm

Thanks!

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Re: [google-appengine] Premier account: No cost control

[Johan Euphrosine]

Hi Daniel,

What is our application id?

Thanks in advance.

On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 5:35 PM, Daniel Florey  wrote:
> Hi,
> our premier account has been activated on 12/6/11.
> Since then we totally lost control of the app engine costs.
> There is no amount/billing shown in the billing history of our premier apps
> and we have not yet received a single account statement.
> So I'm a little bit worried that we already bankrupt ;-)
> Is there a way to get at least the current balance of the total costs of all
> premier apps - or even better for each of them?
>
> Daniel
>
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Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google App Engine community support is moving to Stack Overflow

[Mos]

> What's wrong with using well established, well working 3rd party software?

Check this thread for arguments. Summary:

 - People need to check 2 different places/systems to find the official GAE
support-groups  (confusing; especially for newcomers)
 - Getting answers from Google stuff directly will be even worse because
it's outsourced and not "owned" by Google
 - Faith in GAE is reduced if the official support forums are outsourced to
the community.
 - Stackoverflow is a good format for Q&A  but bad if there are discussions
about Java or Python regarding
Features/Roadmaps/Bug-Discussions/Reminder/Collaboration or what ever.
 - Google is not able to control the support workflow anymore   (usually
they like to have everything important in their influence, don't they?)

The advantage of StackOverflow is the better structure for question and
answers. That's for sure!
But as people suggested, Google could improve this forum and make it a
little more StackOverflowish.
(I don't believe this would take 12 month, even in a big company like
Google. It's still moving very fast, isn't it?)

Or stay with the forum, add a FAQ-Posting for recurring questions and
always link to StackOverflow if the answer is there.
Many other software support forums are doing it this way
And by the way:  Most people that have a GAE problem or question are
searching for it on Google. If the answer is on StackOverflow they
get it. Mostly ranked higher then these forum postings. I don't think there
is a big problem with redundant questions on this forum.
The problem seems to be another one

Cheers
Mos


On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 4:31 PM, Andrin von Rechenberg
wrote:

> About "Google using StackOverflow and not building it itself":
> If you are working at Google Scale, you don't build StackOverflow in 3
> months.
> If you are a StartUp, you build a primitive version of StackOverflow in a
> day and launch.
> If you are working at Google it will take you at least 12 month to launch
> something like
> StackOverflow. Google's Product are so well implemented, tested,
> productionized and
> legally sound that it just takes a shit load of time getting something out
> of the door.
> What's wrong with using well established, well working 3rd party software?
>
> About long time commitment:
> GAE is out of beta. This means long-time commitment.
> See:
> http://googleappengine.blogspot.com/2011/11/app-engine-160-out-of-preview-release.html
> Quote: *"Google is making a long term investment in App Engine!"*
>
> Cheers,
> -Andrin
>
> On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Mos  wrote:
>
>> +111
>> absolute agreement;   I would like to hear an official statement from
>> Google regarding long time commitment to GAE ( incl. plans regarding
>> adequate support options).
>>
>> Google, has the best developers in the world. It has so much money to
>> burn. It has the best internet-infrastructure on this planet.
>> If Google would like, I'm sure a self implemented "StackOverflow" for
>> Google-Products would be ready in three month from now.
>> And now they decide to outsource this one to the .NET based
>> StackOverflow, that just lost his founder and brain Jeff Atwood?
>>
>> That really doesn't look like Google has any plans to invest in better
>> enterprise support or make GAE a first class Google product.
>>
>> I hope I'm wrong
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 12:21 AM, Supercobra Thatbytes <
>> superco...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I think this is a terrible idea because it makes people check 2 places
>>> and subscribe to 2 boards. Newcomers to this discussion will have a hard
>>> time knowing about this.
>>>
>>> App Engine team does put enough resources for community and customer
>>> support. I have a paid app and I cannot get my simple billing questions
>>> answered. In the billing interface, there is no link or phone # to use.
>>> Just a link to this forum... unless we pay become a Premier Account for
>>> $500 / month but first we need to talk to the sales team. Really? So
>>> desperate users in need of urgent help post questions on forums and if they
>>> make enough noise and show enough distress, others users help them and
>>> sometimes, in with their immense goodwill and too little available time,
>>> Google Engineers help too.
>>>
>>> Google App Engine team says, 'well support is best effort around here or
>>> get a Premier Account'. I think this is not the way to do it. Together with
>>> Google engineers, WE make Google products what they are because of our deep
>>> involvement.
>>>
>>> This lack of support is general across most Google products. Our company
>>> uses many Google products that are now business critical for us: Google
>>> Apps for Business, Checkout, Analytics, and more. With all of those, if you
>>> have a problem, well, it's your problem because you cannot contact anyone.
>>>
>>> So is it hard to provide good support? Not for every company. We use
>>> Amazon S3 and Cloud Service. We are a little tiny customers for them. The
>>> oth

[google-appengine] Premier account: No cost control

[Daniel Florey]

Hi,
our premier account has been activated on 12/6/11. 
Since then we totally lost control of the app engine costs. 
There is no amount/billing shown in the billing history of our premier apps 
and we have not yet received a single account statement.
So I'm a little bit worried that we already bankrupt ;-)
Is there a way to get at least the current balance of the total costs of 
all premier apps - or even better for each of them?

Daniel

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[google-appengine] Blobstore migration tool.

[Vinuth Madinur]

When can we expect a blobstore migration tool? The latencies are
increasingly getting slower and is killing.


Thanks,
Vinuth.

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[google-appengine] DownloadError: ApplicationError :3 when using URLFetch to connect to Docs API

[Dinesh Varadharajan]

Hi,
I am trying to connect to https://docs.google.com/feeds/documents/private/full
using url_fetch and get the list of documents as in 
http://code.google.com/p/gaeoauth/.
That works alone in appspot, but when I try to use it along with
openid, it is throwing the DownloadError. Any help is appreciated..
What it mean??. I am not getting any other information except this
which might help me resolve the problem.

I don't want to register my app to google docs, so the hybrid
API(recommended for oAuth+OpenID) is not working..

Thanks

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Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google App Engine community support is moving to Stack Overflow

[Andrin von Rechenberg]

About "Google using StackOverflow and not building it itself":
If you are working at Google Scale, you don't build StackOverflow in 3
months.
If you are a StartUp, you build a primitive version of StackOverflow in a
day and launch.
If you are working at Google it will take you at least 12 month to launch
something like
StackOverflow. Google's Product are so well implemented, tested,
productionized and
legally sound that it just takes a shit load of time getting something out
of the door.
What's wrong with using well established, well working 3rd party software?

About long time commitment:
GAE is out of beta. This means long-time commitment.
See:
http://googleappengine.blogspot.com/2011/11/app-engine-160-out-of-preview-release.html
Quote: *"Google is making a long term investment in App Engine!"*

Cheers,
-Andrin

On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Mos  wrote:

> +111
> absolute agreement;   I would like to hear an official statement from
> Google regarding long time commitment to GAE ( incl. plans regarding
> adequate support options).
>
> Google, has the best developers in the world. It has so much money to
> burn. It has the best internet-infrastructure on this planet.
> If Google would like, I'm sure a self implemented "StackOverflow" for
> Google-Products would be ready in three month from now.
> And now they decide to outsource this one to the .NET based StackOverflow,
> that just lost his founder and brain Jeff Atwood?
>
> That really doesn't look like Google has any plans to invest in better
> enterprise support or make GAE a first class Google product.
>
> I hope I'm wrong
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 12:21 AM, Supercobra Thatbytes <
> superco...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I think this is a terrible idea because it makes people check 2 places
>> and subscribe to 2 boards. Newcomers to this discussion will have a hard
>> time knowing about this.
>>
>> App Engine team does put enough resources for community and customer
>> support. I have a paid app and I cannot get my simple billing questions
>> answered. In the billing interface, there is no link or phone # to use.
>> Just a link to this forum... unless we pay become a Premier Account for
>> $500 / month but first we need to talk to the sales team. Really? So
>> desperate users in need of urgent help post questions on forums and if they
>> make enough noise and show enough distress, others users help them and
>> sometimes, in with their immense goodwill and too little available time,
>> Google Engineers help too.
>>
>> Google App Engine team says, 'well support is best effort around here or
>> get a Premier Account'. I think this is not the way to do it. Together with
>> Google engineers, WE make Google products what they are because of our deep
>> involvement.
>>
>> This lack of support is general across most Google products. Our company
>> uses many Google products that are now business critical for us: Google
>> Apps for Business, Checkout, Analytics, and more. With all of those, if you
>> have a problem, well, it's your problem because you cannot contact anyone.
>>
>> So is it hard to provide good support? Not for every company. We use
>> Amazon S3 and Cloud Service. We are a little tiny customers for them. The
>> other day we had a problem that brought down our SaaS app. Emergency. What
>> do you do when that happens? Well, simple. On Amazon AWS console, click on
>> 'call me I need help now' button and a human calls you within a minute.
>>
>> So Google: use a tiny portion of the immense net revenue to add more
>> community and product support engineers. I bet that will improve the bottom
>> line even further.
>>
>> One last BIG concern. One of the things that first get dropped when a
>> product is going to be retired (i.e. killed) is developer and community
>> support. Java and Python appengine discussion groups are being deprecated
>> and dev support is moved to Stack Overflow. That does not sound like App
>> Engine is going forward to me. More like a huge red flag. Is App Engine
>> business in danger?
>>
>> Telling Google users to use Stack Overflow is the equivalent of
>> displaying a big sign on Google Groups home page saying "use Stack
>> Overflow, it's much better than what we have".
>>
>> As other users suggested, Google should improve this forum software and
>> make it work more like Stack Overflow and not move there...
>>
>>
>>
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[google-appengine] Re: Mail quota Problem

[Moishe]

We made a change recently so that applications do not receive
"unlimited" recipient quota until they have successfully cleared a
charge (previously unlimited quota was granted when billing was
enabled). So if your app is in the approximately 7-day window between
enabling billing and clearing a charge, this is expected behavior.

If your app has successfully cleared a charge, can you tell me the
appid? (you can email me directly)

On Feb 11, 6:35 am, "partnerke...@hotmail.com"
 wrote:
> Hello
> Recipients Emailed %100 fills up quickly.
> Estimated cost for the last 6 hours:$0.00* / $150.00 active. But it
> does not send.
>
> The problem is what do you think?
>
> Thank You

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Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google App Engine community support is moving to Stack Overflow

[Mos]

+111
absolute agreement;   I would like to hear an official statement from
Google regarding long time commitment to GAE ( incl. plans regarding
adequate support options).

Google, has the best developers in the world. It has so much money to burn.
It has the best internet-infrastructure on this planet.
If Google would like, I'm sure a self implemented "StackOverflow" for
Google-Products would be ready in three month from now.
And now they decide to outsource this one to the .NET based StackOverflow,
that just lost his founder and brain Jeff Atwood?

That really doesn't look like Google has any plans to invest in better
enterprise support or make GAE a first class Google product.

I hope I'm wrong

On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 12:21 AM, Supercobra Thatbytes  wrote:

> I think this is a terrible idea because it makes people check 2 places and
> subscribe to 2 boards. Newcomers to this discussion will have a hard time
> knowing about this.
>
> App Engine team does put enough resources for community and customer
> support. I have a paid app and I cannot get my simple billing questions
> answered. In the billing interface, there is no link or phone # to use.
> Just a link to this forum... unless we pay become a Premier Account for
> $500 / month but first we need to talk to the sales team. Really? So
> desperate users in need of urgent help post questions on forums and if they
> make enough noise and show enough distress, others users help them and
> sometimes, in with their immense goodwill and too little available time,
> Google Engineers help too.
>
> Google App Engine team says, 'well support is best effort around here or
> get a Premier Account'. I think this is not the way to do it. Together with
> Google engineers, WE make Google products what they are because of our deep
> involvement.
>
> This lack of support is general across most Google products. Our company
> uses many Google products that are now business critical for us: Google
> Apps for Business, Checkout, Analytics, and more. With all of those, if you
> have a problem, well, it's your problem because you cannot contact anyone.
>
> So is it hard to provide good support? Not for every company. We use
> Amazon S3 and Cloud Service. We are a little tiny customers for them. The
> other day we had a problem that brought down our SaaS app. Emergency. What
> do you do when that happens? Well, simple. On Amazon AWS console, click on
> 'call me I need help now' button and a human calls you within a minute.
>
> So Google: use a tiny portion of the immense net revenue to add more
> community and product support engineers. I bet that will improve the bottom
> line even further.
>
> One last BIG concern. One of the things that first get dropped when a
> product is going to be retired (i.e. killed) is developer and community
> support. Java and Python appengine discussion groups are being deprecated
> and dev support is moved to Stack Overflow. That does not sound like App
> Engine is going forward to me. More like a huge red flag. Is App Engine
> business in danger?
>
> Telling Google users to use Stack Overflow is the equivalent of displaying
> a big sign on Google Groups home page saying "use Stack Overflow, it's much
> better than what we have".
>
> As other users suggested, Google should improve this forum software and
> make it work more like Stack Overflow and not move there...
>
>
>
>
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[google-appengine] request for (optional) mandatory two step verification

[voscausa]

You can add collaborating users with google accounts in the administrator 
permissions panel. But you cannot check / guarantee if they use two step 
verification? An option two make two step verification mandatory for 
collaborating users is needed.

Can you check for two step verification in the user service? 

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Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google App Engine community support is moving to Stack Overflow

[Johan Euphrosine]

Hi Daniel,

Thanks for your feedback, I understand your concerns about finding the
right support channel when your project overlap more than one Google
Technology and I agree that's something that should be improved.

Until now we relied on silo'ed Google groups (per language, per
technologies) and part of the move to Stack Overflow is to try to find
a solution to scale community support more easily for App Engine
development questions that span across multiple technologies.

By using multiple tags for their questions, developers are now able to
target more than one community: you can see an example of related tags
on the dedicated page for each tags:

http://stackoverflow.com/tags/google-app-engine/topusers
python× 3541
java× 2035
gae-datastore× 1084
django× 644
gwt× 387

http://stackoverflow.com/tags/gwt/topusers
java× 2152
javascript× 446
google-app-engine× 387
eclipse× 325
css× 256

http://stackoverflow.com/tags/google-maps/topusers
javascript× 2196
android× 1383
google-maps-api-3× 1273
jquery× 595
google× 532

http://stackoverflow.com/tags/android/topusers
java× 18131
android-layout× 5143
listview× 4293
eclipse× 3615
sqlite× 3484

Hope that answers some of your concerns about the move.

On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Daniel Florey  wrote:
> Hi,
> I've been thinking about the decision to move to SO for some more time and
> I'd like to give a more general feedback.
>
> We are developing apps for the Google ecosystem using the Google dev stack
> (gwt, gae, galgwt, gdata api, google apps marketplace, chrome webstore etc.)
> See: http://www.floreysoft.net/download/SS377-1109_floreysoft_v1.pdf
> Beside our premier account for the apps running on our own domain we also
> have ~2000 clients running dedicated installations of our tools on app
> engine, many of them with billing enabled. So most of our generated revenue
> goes directly to the GAE team ;-)
>
> As we are using many tools from Google, not just GAE, my perspective on the
> decision to move to SO may be slightly different than the GAE team's point
> of view:
> In my daily life I already have to use different channels to get support
> from Google:
> - For GAE related issues I've to use the Enterprise Support Portal using
> Salesforce.com
> - Using ~20 Google groups for the other api's/projects
> - Issue trackers for the different projects
> - Mail/Chat with Google Dev Advocates
> - Blogs/Google+
>
> In general the support is good as most developers are very responsive. My
> main concern is that the different teams / projects are working quite
> isolated.
> Working in smaller teams of course is more efficient and more fun, but when
> it comes to support I would prefer a single point of contact.
> It would be perfect to be able to address any issue to the Enterprise Portal
> (or any other channel) and to trigger some kind of internal dispatch to the
> proper team.
> Let me give you an example:
> We are using the Google Java Stack (Google Plugin/GWT/GAE) to create our
> apps for multiple locales/browsers, GWT generates dozens of permutations of
> our app. As GAE only supports 150mb project size, we are hitting this limit
> - as you have to divide this limit by the number of permutations to get the
> "real" max app size. It would be possible to e.g. serve gwt fragments from
> the blobstore, but this would involve all the different teams.
> I've been totally lost to find the appropriate channel to communicate this
> issue as every tool itself is working fine, just the combination of them
> causes the pain.
>
> I wonder if there is anybody responsible for taking care of the big picture
> of the google dev tools. There are some indicators that there may be someone
> with the big plan (e.g. new api console, streamlined documentation), but
> there are many overlapping developments and new projects not really linked
> into each other (e.g. gitkit/appengine user service) that I'm still
> confused.
> In general decisions regarding how to provide support should be made on a
> higher level. If Google decides to use SO as the primary channel for
> answering questions of developers, at least all projects providing dev tools
> should use SO.
> Don't get me wrong: I still believe that the most brilliant minds are
> working for Google, but as Google rapidly grows, I have the feeling that
> especially the enterprise support is not yet adequate...and deciding on a
> per-team basis which channels to establish is the wrong move IMO.
>
> Daniel
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[google-appengine] Re: What is the email situation now?

[Greg]

Phone works best, but some require communication via a web-based
form.

Yahoo was the worst, refusing to do anything after weeks of phone
calls and emails. So we added a page visible only to their users,
explaining that they won't receive their confirmation email because
Yahoo couldn't be bothered to add us to a whitelist. We gave Yahoo's
support email address, plus detailed instructions on how to switch to
Gmail.

A day later, our emails magically started getting delivered again.

On Feb 12, 11:35 am, Kaan Soral  wrote:
> Thanks for all your answers,
>
> Greg how do you follow up with ISPs?

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[google-appengine] Re: Reduced email quota for billed application

[Piotr Duda]

Hi Robert,

thanks for the reply, the mail quota problem has been resolved for my
app.

P.

On Feb 11, 6:52 am, Robert Kluin  wrote:
> Hi Piotr,
>   Google said yesterday that they were running a job to correct this
> issue.  I'd suggest you give it a little more time, then if it isn't
> fixed file an issue.
>
>    http://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/entry?template=Produc...
>
> Robert
>
>
>
>
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>
>
> On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 09:33, Piotr Duda  wrote:
> > Hi,
>
> > Although I have enabled billing for my application months ago, the
> > email quota for it has not been raised. This is major issue for the
> > service I'm running since we notify users about different sorts of
> > events which occur in the system.  Could anyone from the App Engine
> > team sort this out ?
>
> > Since I don't want to expose my app_id could you please provide me
> > with a way to report this issue in a more private manner ?
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RE: [google-appengine] What I did wrong? 2000 instances!

[Brandon Wirtz]

Imports should not be in your Primary app.

 

You should have a version specific to the task, and if the world ends or
goes wrong you upload a new version over the top of the importer that
doesn’t do anything. 

 

 

 


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[mailto:google-appengine@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ronoaldo José de
Lana Pereira
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Subject: Re: [google-appengine] What I did wrong? 2000 instances!

 

This is too drasticaly! My boss will pay the bills with the app revenue ;)

I can't disable the app, it is a real life multitenant e-commerce with 14
stores. The traffic is getting higher now, but usually it works in a
reasonable cost. This sync was an aside problem: I just badly configured the
concurrency of the app, and I do depend on another service to get better
response times. In any case, doing this sync costly was better that not
doing it.

Anyway, lesson lerned: I'll fix the code and run all this again next week,
with async urlfetch and multithreading.

Thanks!

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Re: [google-appengine] What I did wrong? 2000 instances!

[Ronoaldo José de Lana Pereira]

Thanks robert.

I guess that as we were doing more RPCs, the remote servers where getting 
slower. I'll propose them to imlement batches and follow the previous 
suggestions too: multithreading, proper configure the queue and also, try 
async fetchs to better use the instance hours.

The AppEngine side was performing gracefully, I didn'd found a single 
datastore timeout while reading, even in my MS app...

Best Regards,

-Ronoaldo

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Re: [google-appengine] What I did wrong? 2000 instances!

[Ronoaldo José de Lana Pereira]

This is too drasticaly! My boss will pay the bills with the app revenue ;)

I can't disable the app, it is a real life multitenant e-commerce with 14 
stores. The traffic is getting higher now, but usually it works in a 
reasonable cost. This sync was an aside problem: I just badly configured 
the concurrency of the app, and I do depend on another service to get 
better response times. In any case, doing this sync costly was better that 
not doing it.

Anyway, lesson lerned: I'll fix the code and run all this again next week, 
with async urlfetch and multithreading.

Thanks!

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Re: [google-appengine] What I did wrong? 2000 instances!

[Ronoaldo José de Lana Pereira]

Thanks for posting.

That's right. I just started without any limit, just allowing the 20/s. I 
limited the max_concurrent when I noticed an increase in how frequently the 
instance count was growing.

Thanks for pointing that.

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Re: [google-appengine] What I did wrong? 2000 instances!

[Ronoaldo José de Lana Pereira]

Brandon,

Thanks for the tip. I'll try enabling again the multithreading. There is a 
huge sync again in next weekend.

Best Regards,

-Ronoaldo

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