Re: [google-appengine] Have anyone tried to port a java project with heavy framworks, such as struts and spring, to a pure jsp/servlet project?
Ok, I removed all core GAE jar files under SDK/lib/user Now the warmup time dropped from 5-7 seconds to 3-4 seconds. What is appengine-api-labs-1.x.x.jar? is it essential? And must the appengine-api-1.0-sdk-1.x.x.jar be included in the project war directory? On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 1:59:15 PM UTC+8, Tapir wrote: On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 4:33:16 AM UTC+8, Emanuele Ziglioli wrote: Not sure where my reply went. On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 3:57:37 AM UTC+8, Emanuele Ziglioli wrote: Our warmup time was 15 seconds, then I looked at the hello world project that the GAE plugin generates with one servlet. That took 2 seconds to startup (once the servlet was hit). On F2 instance? Haven't seen much difference between F1 and F2 when it comes to warmup time. Most time seems to be spent actually loading jars. Initialization could be as little as 3s with our project, F2 would a bit better but not so much why? looks not reasonable. My experience is the modules feature will spend your money. I haven't seen many people using modules yet. Can't they be configured to be F1 like non default versions? should be. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [google-appengine] Have anyone tried to port a java project with heavy framworks, such as struts and spring, to a pure jsp/servlet project?
very interesting... can you tell me how you did that? in a maven build or only via eclipse? On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 12:44 AM, Tapir tapir@gmail.com wrote: Ok, I removed all core GAE jar files under SDK/lib/user Now the warmup time dropped from 5-7 seconds to 3-4 seconds. What is appengine-api-labs-1.x.x.jar? is it essential? And must the appengine-api-1.0-sdk-1.x.x.jar be included in the project war directory? On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 1:59:15 PM UTC+8, Tapir wrote: On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 4:33:16 AM UTC+8, Emanuele Ziglioli wrote: Not sure where my reply went. On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 3:57:37 AM UTC+8, Emanuele Ziglioli wrote: Our warmup time was 15 seconds, then I looked at the hello world project that the GAE plugin generates with one servlet. That took 2 seconds to startup (once the servlet was hit). On F2 instance? Haven't seen much difference between F1 and F2 when it comes to warmup time. Most time seems to be spent actually loading jars. Initialization could be as little as 3s with our project, F2 would a bit better but not so much why? looks not reasonable. My experience is the modules feature will spend your money. I haven't seen many people using modules yet. Can't they be configured to be F1 like non default versions? should be. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [google-appengine] A comparison between Digital Ocean $5 plan and App Engine B$ instance type.
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 7:46 AM, Tapir tapir@gmail.com wrote: I don't care about if you are happy with GAE or not. I just want to prove the GAE compute part is much more too expensive than it should be. You cannot prove it because it is ultimately up to the market to decide. The right price for GAE is whatever brings in most money to Google. This is not a statement about Google's greed, it is basic economics. I'm sure Google could sell GAE for less, but I frankly doubt whether lowering the price would bring in significantly more customers to make up the lost revenue. Many people on the list seem to be happy with what they get vs. what they pay, so for that customer segment GAE is definitely not more expensive than it should be. You do not seem to be in GAE's target audience, so I don't quite understand why you don't just go with alternatives that work better for you and be happy. -- Pertti -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [google-appengine] Have anyone tried to port a java project with heavy framworks, such as struts and spring, to a pure jsp/servlet project?
On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 4:56:51 PM UTC+8, Rafael Sanches wrote: very interesting... can you tell me how you did that? in a maven build or only via eclipse? neither, I did it manually. ok, the new test result: 1. if I remove all jar files from the war/WEB-INF/lib, the warmup time is about 2.3 seconds. 2. if I put the only the core app engine sdk jar file in war/WEB-INF/lib, but doesn't reference it, the warmup time is about 2.9 seconds. 3. if I put DatastoreService datastore = DatastoreServiceFactory.getDatastoreService(); in the jsp file but do nothing eslse, the warmup time is 3.5 seconds 4. if I put a query in the default jsp file, the warmup time is 4.7 seconds. 5. if I convert query result as list, the warmup time is 6 seconds. so, I think it is very clear that the datastore API is main cause of long warmup time. A simple datastoe calling will increase the warmup time much. In above example, the total increased warmup caused by datastore APIs is more than 3 seconds. Otherwaise, scanning the core app engine sdk jar will cost 0.5 second. So, @GAE_team, please optimize your datastore APIs. Done! On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 12:44 AM, Tapir tapi...@gmail.com javascript:wrote: Ok, I removed all core GAE jar files under SDK/lib/user Now the warmup time dropped from 5-7 seconds to 3-4 seconds. What is appengine-api-labs-1.x.x.jar? is it essential? And must the appengine-api-1.0-sdk-1.x.x.jar be included in the project war directory? On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 1:59:15 PM UTC+8, Tapir wrote: On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 4:33:16 AM UTC+8, Emanuele Ziglioli wrote: Not sure where my reply went. On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 3:57:37 AM UTC+8, Emanuele Ziglioli wrote: Our warmup time was 15 seconds, then I looked at the hello world project that the GAE plugin generates with one servlet. That took 2 seconds to startup (once the servlet was hit). On F2 instance? Haven't seen much difference between F1 and F2 when it comes to warmup time. Most time seems to be spent actually loading jars. Initialization could be as little as 3s with our project, F2 would a bit better but not so much why? looks not reasonable. My experience is the modules feature will spend your money. I haven't seen many people using modules yet. Can't they be configured to be F1 like non default versions? should be. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-appengi...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to google-a...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [google-appengine] Have anyone tried to port a java project with heavy framworks, such as struts and spring, to a pure jsp/servlet project?
On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 6:43:56 PM UTC+8, Tapir wrote: On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 4:56:51 PM UTC+8, Rafael Sanches wrote: very interesting... can you tell me how you did that? in a maven build or only via eclipse? neither, I did it manually. ok, the new test result: 1. if I remove all jar files from the war/WEB-INF/lib, the warmup time is about 2.3 seconds. 2. if I put the only the core app engine sdk jar file in war/WEB-INF/lib, but doesn't reference it, the warmup time is about 2.9 seconds. 3. if I put DatastoreService datastore = DatastoreServiceFactory.getDatastoreService(); in the jsp file but do nothing eslse, the warmup time is 3.5 seconds 4. if I put a query in the default jsp file, the warmup time is 4.7 seconds. 5. if I convert query result as list, the warmup time is 6 seconds. so, I think it is very clear that the datastore API is main cause of long warmup time. A simple datastoe calling will increase the warmup time much. In above example, the total increased warmup caused by datastore APIs is more than 3 seconds. I remember the python datastore doesn't increase the warmup time so much. Otherwaise, scanning the core app engine sdk jar will cost 0.5 second. So, @GAE_team, please optimize your datastore APIs. Done! On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 12:44 AM, Tapir tapi...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, I removed all core GAE jar files under SDK/lib/user Now the warmup time dropped from 5-7 seconds to 3-4 seconds. What is appengine-api-labs-1.x.x.jar? is it essential? And must the appengine-api-1.0-sdk-1.x.x.jar be included in the project war directory? On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 1:59:15 PM UTC+8, Tapir wrote: On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 4:33:16 AM UTC+8, Emanuele Ziglioli wrote: Not sure where my reply went. On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 3:57:37 AM UTC+8, Emanuele Ziglioli wrote: Our warmup time was 15 seconds, then I looked at the hello world project that the GAE plugin generates with one servlet. That took 2 seconds to startup (once the servlet was hit). On F2 instance? Haven't seen much difference between F1 and F2 when it comes to warmup time. Most time seems to be spent actually loading jars. Initialization could be as little as 3s with our project, F2 would a bit better but not so much why? looks not reasonable. My experience is the modules feature will spend your money. I haven't seen many people using modules yet. Can't they be configured to be F1 like non default versions? should be. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-appengi...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-a...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [google-appengine] Have anyone tried to port a java project with heavy framworks, such as struts and spring, to a pure jsp/servlet project?
On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 6:43:56 PM UTC+8, Tapir wrote: On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 4:56:51 PM UTC+8, Rafael Sanches wrote: very interesting... can you tell me how you did that? in a maven build or only via eclipse? neither, I did it manually. ok, the new test result: 1. if I remove all jar files from the war/WEB-INF/lib, the warmup time is about 2.3 seconds. 2. if I put the only the core app engine sdk jar file in war/WEB-INF/lib, but doesn't reference it, the warmup time is about 2.9 seconds. 3. if I put DatastoreService datastore = DatastoreServiceFactory.getDatastoreService(); in the jsp file but do nothing eslse, the warmup time is 3.5 seconds 4. if I put a query in the default jsp file, the warmup time is 4.7 seconds. 5. if I convert query result as list, the warmup time is 6 seconds. The above tests use the low level datastore APIs. so, I think it is very clear that the datastore API is main cause of long warmup time. A simple datastoe calling will increase the warmup time much. In above example, the total increased warmup caused by datastore APIs is more than 3 seconds. Otherwaise, scanning the core app engine sdk jar will cost 0.5 second. So, @GAE_team, please optimize your datastore APIs. Done! On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 12:44 AM, Tapir tapi...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, I removed all core GAE jar files under SDK/lib/user Now the warmup time dropped from 5-7 seconds to 3-4 seconds. What is appengine-api-labs-1.x.x.jar? is it essential? And must the appengine-api-1.0-sdk-1.x.x.jar be included in the project war directory? On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 1:59:15 PM UTC+8, Tapir wrote: On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 4:33:16 AM UTC+8, Emanuele Ziglioli wrote: Not sure where my reply went. On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 3:57:37 AM UTC+8, Emanuele Ziglioli wrote: Our warmup time was 15 seconds, then I looked at the hello world project that the GAE plugin generates with one servlet. That took 2 seconds to startup (once the servlet was hit). On F2 instance? Haven't seen much difference between F1 and F2 when it comes to warmup time. Most time seems to be spent actually loading jars. Initialization could be as little as 3s with our project, F2 would a bit better but not so much why? looks not reasonable. My experience is the modules feature will spend your money. I haven't seen many people using modules yet. Can't they be configured to be F1 like non default versions? should be. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-appengi...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-a...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [google-appengine] A comparison between Digital Ocean $5 plan and App Engine B$ instance type.
On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 5:20:41 PM UTC+8, Pertti Kellomäki wrote: On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 7:46 AM, Tapir tapi...@gmail.com javascript:wrote: I don't care about if you are happy with GAE or not. I just want to prove the GAE compute part is much more too expensive than it should be. You cannot prove it because it is ultimately up to the market to decide. The right price for GAE is whatever brings in most money to Google. This is not a statement about Google's greed, it is basic economics. I'm sure Google could sell GAE for less, but I frankly doubt whether lowering the price would bring in significantly more customers to make up the lost revenue. Many people on the list seem to be happy with what they get vs. what they pay, so for that customer segment GAE is definitely not more expensive than it should be. Maybe, you are right, or wrong. You do not seem to be in GAE's target audience, so I don't quite understand why you don't just go with alternatives that work better for you and be happy. -- Pertti -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [google-appengine] Have anyone tried to port a java project with heavy framworks, such as struts and spring, to a pure jsp/servlet project?
On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 6:43:56 PM UTC+8, Tapir wrote: On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 4:56:51 PM UTC+8, Rafael Sanches wrote: very interesting... can you tell me how you did that? in a maven build or only via eclipse? neither, I did it manually. ok, the new test result: 1. if I remove all jar files from the war/WEB-INF/lib, the warmup time is about 2.3 seconds. 2. if I put the only the core app engine sdk jar file in war/WEB-INF/lib, but doesn't reference it, the warmup time is about 2.9 seconds. 3. if I put DatastoreService datastore = DatastoreServiceFactory.getDatastoreService(); in the jsp file but do nothing eslse, the warmup time is 3.5 seconds 4. if I put a query in the default jsp file, the warmup time is 4.7 seconds. 5. if I convert query result as list, the warmup time is 6 seconds. so, I think it is very clear that the datastore API is main cause of long warmup time. A simple datastoe calling will increase the warmup time much. In above example, the total increased warmup caused by datastore APIs is more than 3 seconds. I almost can confirm the time increased doesn't related to remote bigtable servers, it is totally caused by the API design. Otherwaise, scanning the core app engine sdk jar will cost 0.5 second. So, @GAE_team, please optimize your datastore APIs. Done! On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 12:44 AM, Tapir tapi...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, I removed all core GAE jar files under SDK/lib/user Now the warmup time dropped from 5-7 seconds to 3-4 seconds. What is appengine-api-labs-1.x.x.jar? is it essential? And must the appengine-api-1.0-sdk-1.x.x.jar be included in the project war directory? On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 1:59:15 PM UTC+8, Tapir wrote: On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 4:33:16 AM UTC+8, Emanuele Ziglioli wrote: Not sure where my reply went. On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 3:57:37 AM UTC+8, Emanuele Ziglioli wrote: Our warmup time was 15 seconds, then I looked at the hello world project that the GAE plugin generates with one servlet. That took 2 seconds to startup (once the servlet was hit). On F2 instance? Haven't seen much difference between F1 and F2 when it comes to warmup time. Most time seems to be spent actually loading jars. Initialization could be as little as 3s with our project, F2 would a bit better but not so much why? looks not reasonable. My experience is the modules feature will spend your money. I haven't seen many people using modules yet. Can't they be configured to be F1 like non default versions? should be. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-appengi...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-a...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [google-appengine] Have anyone tried to port a java project with heavy framworks, such as struts and spring, to a pure jsp/servlet project?
On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 6:43:56 PM UTC+8, Tapir wrote: On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 4:56:51 PM UTC+8, Rafael Sanches wrote: very interesting... can you tell me how you did that? in a maven build or only via eclipse? neither, I did it manually. ok, the new test result: 1. if I remove all jar files from the war/WEB-INF/lib, the warmup time is about 2.3 seconds. 2. if I put the only the core app engine sdk jar file in war/WEB-INF/lib, but doesn't reference it, the warmup time is about 2.9 seconds. 3. if I put DatastoreService datastore = DatastoreServiceFactory.getDatastoreService(); in the jsp file but do nothing eslse, the warmup time is 3.5 seconds 4. if I put a query in the default jsp file, the warmup time is 4.7 seconds. 5. if I convert query result as list, the warmup time is 6 seconds. so, I think it is very clear that the datastore API is main cause of long warmup time. A simple datastoe calling will increase the warmup time much. In above example, the total increased warmup caused by datastore APIs is more than 3 seconds. Otherwaise, scanning the core app engine sdk jar will cost 0.5 second. So, @GAE_team, please optimize your datastore APIs. Done! If the APIs is not redesigned, porting my project from framworks to pure jsp/servlet is helpless to decrease the warmup time under 2 seconds. On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 12:44 AM, Tapir tapi...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, I removed all core GAE jar files under SDK/lib/user Now the warmup time dropped from 5-7 seconds to 3-4 seconds. What is appengine-api-labs-1.x.x.jar? is it essential? And must the appengine-api-1.0-sdk-1.x.x.jar be included in the project war directory? On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 1:59:15 PM UTC+8, Tapir wrote: On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 4:33:16 AM UTC+8, Emanuele Ziglioli wrote: Not sure where my reply went. On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 3:57:37 AM UTC+8, Emanuele Ziglioli wrote: Our warmup time was 15 seconds, then I looked at the hello world project that the GAE plugin generates with one servlet. That took 2 seconds to startup (once the servlet was hit). On F2 instance? Haven't seen much difference between F1 and F2 when it comes to warmup time. Most time seems to be spent actually loading jars. Initialization could be as little as 3s with our project, F2 would a bit better but not so much why? looks not reasonable. My experience is the modules feature will spend your money. I haven't seen many people using modules yet. Can't they be configured to be F1 like non default versions? should be. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-appengi...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-a...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [google-appengine] A comparison between Digital Ocean $5 plan and App Engine B$ instance type.
Prove for your case and in your opinion, and different environments and application load will affect the cost structure. I watch my applications carefully and I can say that I am not nor ever have been overcharged for the service provided. But I use python, I rarely see scheduler problems, I don't have particularly high startup times, the last time I had an Error 500 was back in December when I got 3 in the space of 1 sec, when someone hit my site with an out of control crawler (tried to suck down the whole site in about 5 secs).s The other day someone hit my site with a about 5000 requests for PHP based urls, probing for PHP exploits, the traffic rate was about 10 times normal for over half an hour and I sailed through with no problems at all. So any problems/issues are not necessarily widespread or affect many people especially on other language runtimes. T On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 1:50:59 PM UTC+8, Tapir wrote: I don't care about if you are happy with GAE or not. I just want to prove the GAE compute part is much more too expensive than it should be. On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 10:26:20 AM UTC+8, Damith C Rajapakse wrote: Our app https://teammatesv4.appspot.com has 100k entries in the datastore, 8000+ users, and a traffic rate about 1 hit every 10 seconds, plus bursts of traffic at certain times. My cost is less than $1 per day. So GAE fits rather nicely with my use case. btw, not relative to this thread, how many active users of your app? pageviews per day? Average front hours per day? what language do you use, java/python/go? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [google-appengine] A comparison between Digital Ocean $5 plan and App Engine B$ instance type.
On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 7:23:49 PM UTC+8, timh wrote: Prove for your case and in your opinion, and different environments and application load will affect the cost structure. I watch my applications carefully and I can say that I am not nor ever have been overcharged for the service provided. But I use python, I rarely see scheduler problems, I don't have particularly high startup times, the last time I had an Error 500 was back in December when I got 3 in the space of 1 sec, when someone hit my site with an out of control crawler (tried to suck down the whole site in about 5 secs).s The other day someone hit my site with a about 5000 requests for PHP based urls, probing for PHP exploits, the traffic rate was about 10 times normal for over half an hour and I sailed through with no problems at all. Ok, again, what I want to prove is the cost on App Engine instances is a very very small portion of they charge. That is all. I never say it is wrong decision. Ok, off topic, recently the instance scheduler often makes my big java website project use more than 28 front end hours. But my website never got more than 1000 pageviews recently. I really observed several times the instance scheduler let the dynamic instances to handle request, at the same time keep the resident idle. This will increase the front end hours. If the scheduler let the idle resident instances handle the request, the front end hour will not increase. So any problems/issues are not necessarily widespread or affect many people especially on other language runtimes. T On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 1:50:59 PM UTC+8, Tapir wrote: I don't care about if you are happy with GAE or not. I just want to prove the GAE compute part is much more too expensive than it should be. On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 10:26:20 AM UTC+8, Damith C Rajapakse wrote: Our app https://teammatesv4.appspot.com has 100k entries in the datastore, 8000+ users, and a traffic rate about 1 hit every 10 seconds, plus bursts of traffic at certain times. My cost is less than $1 per day. So GAE fits rather nicely with my use case. btw, not relative to this thread, how many active users of your app? pageviews per day? Average front hours per day? what language do you use, java/python/go? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[google-appengine] appengine provided libs for java
I am trying to cut down the size of deployed java app. The two largest files are: - appengine-api-labs-1.8.9.jar - appengine-api-1.0-sdk-1.8.9.jar I am wondering, if I do have to deploy these libs. These files are part of GAE framework and I guess they would be expected to already exist on GAE servers.So why not to mark them as provided? What is the recommended way to go about them? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [google-appengine] BANNED PLS !! https://absentis64.appspot.com/www.evdenevenakliyatfirmalari.pro/
It's not copying your site's content. it's a proxy. it just redirects requests to *any site* through their site. the content being viewed is still coming from your site. For example. you can change the URL on the end to any other site on the internet. Try this for instance: https://absentis64.appspot.com/www.google.com or https://absentis64.appspot.com/www.whitehouse.gov As you can see, it just proxies to the site you put on the end. But anyway, I see you have taken the advice and blocked your page from viewing through the proxy. On Monday, February 17, 2014 6:14:11 PM UTC-8, kişisel Pazar wrote: belong to me How can I copy my site's content without my permission? The purpose of this site is to jerk.. google has banned my website.. I do not understand why this site do not banned?.. not only me but everyone is leaving in the lurch!!.. This site is officially a spam site .. Pull me publishes all pages and google site is making my place.. :@@ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [google-appengine] A comparison between Digital Ocean $5 plan and App Engine B$ instance type.
Good post Barry. Things are not so simple. How much salary for Ops guys to keep that thing running 24x7? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [google-appengine] appengine provided libs for java
I tried removing those files in my maven script and it decreased the final instance size by 20mb. The problem is that it doesn't work, because everytime I try to do something on the production instances it explodes: java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: com/google/appengine/api/utils/SystemProperty Sadily, it seems that the appengine deploy script has to upload all the jar classes, instead of uploading just the interface stubs. I wish they would fix this, but Java seems to be something that they regret ever supporting.. thanks rafa On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 10:23 AM, husayt hus...@gmail.com wrote: I am trying to cut down the size of deployed java app. The two largest files are: - appengine-api-labs-1.8.9.jar - appengine-api-1.0-sdk-1.8.9.jar I am wondering, if I do have to deploy these libs. These files are part of GAE framework and I guess they would be expected to already exist on GAE servers.So why not to mark them as provided? What is the recommended way to go about them? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [google-appengine] BANNED PLS !! https://absentis64.appspot.com/www.evdenevenakliyatfirmalari.pro/
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Re: [google-appengine] appengine provided libs for java
You could probably still do without the labs jar - I think that is all optional APIs. (Assuming, of course, that you don't actually use any of the labs APIs. And, caveat - I haven't actually tried it.) - Kris On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 11:48:06 AM UTC-8, Rafael Sanches wrote: I tried removing those files in my maven script and it decreased the final instance size by 20mb. The problem is that it doesn't work, because everytime I try to do something on the production instances it explodes: java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: com/google/appengine/api/utils/SystemProperty Sadily, it seems that the appengine deploy script has to upload all the jar classes, instead of uploading just the interface stubs. I wish they would fix this, but Java seems to be something that they regret ever supporting.. thanks rafa On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 10:23 AM, husayt hus...@gmail.com javascript:wrote: I am trying to cut down the size of deployed java app. The two largest files are: - appengine-api-labs-1.8.9.jar - appengine-api-1.0-sdk-1.8.9.jar I am wondering, if I do have to deploy these libs. These files are part of GAE framework and I guess they would be expected to already exist on GAE servers.So why not to mark them as provided? What is the recommended way to go about them? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-appengi...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to google-a...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [google-appengine] A comparison between Digital Ocean $5 plan and App Engine B$ instance type.
On Wednesday, February 19, 2014 3:32:27 AM UTC+8, Andrew Mackenzie wrote: Good post Barry. Things are not so simple. How much salary for Ops guys to keep that thing running 24x7? Sorry, I don't count this factor. For I think this cost per Op for big companies such as Google should be smaller than small companies such as DigitialOcean. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [google-appengine] A comparison between Digital Ocean $5 plan and App Engine B$ instance type.
On Wednesday, February 19, 2014 3:32:27 AM UTC+8, Andrew Mackenzie wrote: Good post Barry. Things are not so simple. How much salary for Ops guys to keep that thing running 24x7? Sorry, I don't count this factor. For Ops at Big companies will manager more resources, I think this cost per VM for big companies such as Google should be smaller than small companies such as DigitialOcean. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [google-appengine] A comparison between Digital Ocean $5 plan and App Engine B$ instance type.
Hi Barry, I wish what you are saying was correct. I run one of those big services that needed to scale. Unfortunately appengine price goes up as you scale. Unfortunately nobody can say that appengine makes sense price wise. It may make sense if it fits your taste and you like google tools. Price wise it's out of discussion, no matter how you put it. thanks rafa On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Barry Hunter barrybhun...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 6:01 PM, Tapir tapir@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 1:48:10 AM UTC+8, barryhunter wrote: Apples to Oranges. DigitalOcean to Compute Engine would be a fairer comparison. They are both the same 'type' of product. AppEngine isn't a magic 'fit all' solution. Many types of applications you could very definitly run (much) cheaper elsewhere (particularly ones that are small enough to fit in a single VPS). But there certain types of applications that will be 'cheaper' on AppEngine (particularly when consider AppEngine is managed hosting). If the free quota provided by App Engine is not considered, I don't think there are any types will be cheaper in App Engine. Imagine if your application was big enough, that it needed say 150 VPS's to run. Some of them running memcache, some running apache, some running elasticsearch, some running couchdb, some running haproxy, some running logging servers, some running management nodes. Warm redunacy servers. You could perhaps get that very cheap, but you would have to add the cost of building the system to orcestrate all those 'servers'. Both coding/developer time to right the tools. But also the system administrator type to maintain and monitori all those systems. You could use services like RightScale etc, to manage all those servers. But that adds another layer of fees and management. The raw 'hosting' may be cheap, but it doesnt consider all the management cost. I admit DigitalOcean is an alternative to GCE. But standing at the position of Google, the comparison is not unfair. Google charges too many for a low cost. I'm not denying that AppEngine might be expensive, but you can't say that by just comparing a few numbers for a single VPS. There is a lot more to consider. A fairer comparson, would be some sort of managed hosting, something like http://www.rackspace.com/managed-hosting/dedicated-servers/pricing/ but that still doesnt consider everything. On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 5:38 PM, Tapir tapi...@gmail.com wrote: DigitalOcean: 2.0GHz, 512MB RAM, 20GB SSD, 1TB Bandwidth for free. $5/month Google App Engine B4 Instance: 2.4GHz, 512MB, No Hard Disk, Bandwidth needs extra money, $230/month 230/5 = 46! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-appengi...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-a...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [google-appengine] Unable to process batch request for spread sheet.
On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 12:32 PM, Pravanjan Niranjan pravanjan.niran...@a-cti.com wrote: Thanks Vinny will try with this No problem. If that doesn't work, you may have to decrease the size of the batch update or run it within a longer-lived request such as a task. - -Vinny P Technology Media Advisor Chicago, IL App Engine Code Samples: http://www.learntogoogleit.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [google-appengine] Min Pending Latency -- does it really do anything?
On Wednesday, September 14, 2011 6:04:15 AM UTC+8, Rishi Arora wrote: It really doesn't matter it a second instance kicks in to process your user-facing requests. If your max_idle_instances is set to 1, then you're only paying for one idle instance at any given time. Really?! Any googler can confirm this? I set max-idle-instances as 1, but I am still charged more than 28 hours often recently. Remember that max_idle_instances=1 doesn't mean max_instances=1. I do agree your concerns, and I'm curious to know too, why the scheduler is starting a second instance, even though min_latency is set to 15 seconds. Nevertheless, you should still be able to stay under the free quota of 28 instance hours. The periodic image uploads will take up 24 instance hours, and any extra processing time that those uploads require, and any user-facing requests require will most likely fit into the remaining 4 instance hours. Any idle time for the second (or third, or fourth) instance will not be billed to you (only the processing time of the extra instances will be billed). This was in fact the motivation behind increasing the free instance hours from 24 to 28. On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 4:30 PM, dloomer dlo...@gmail.com javascript:wrote: I have a simple webcam app used by a maximum of maybe 3 people at any time, which also handles requests from a batch process initiated from my house which uploads a new image to my app every 15 seconds via HTTP call to my app's frontend. My goal is to get the app running on just a single frontend instance at all times, making this as close to a free app as possible, but this is proving much more difficult than I thought it would. When no one is connected to my app, all the uploads go to a single instance. All the requests complete with around 200ms latency. However, as soon as one user accesses the main page of my app, a new instance spins up. *This in spite of the fact that a browser request to my app typically completes in well under a second, and Min Pending Latency is set to 15 seconds.* What is it that would make the scheduler think that one instance won't handle both sets of requests, when the Min Pending Latency is set so high and none of the requests come anywhere near this threshold? One theory: I remember reading on these forums a while back, under a topic regarding keeping an instance always on, that the scheduler has strategies to prevent you from keeping an instance always on by constantly pinging it. My 15-second periodic upload is similar to a ping in this sense. I don't intend anything nefarious, but the scheduler wouldn't know this, and maybe is just trying to close a loophole that someone else could exploit. I'd use a backend to handle the image uploads, but I need it running 24 hours and a 24-hour backend isn't free. I don't think this would work as a free app by Google's billing terms (which I believe would restrict me to a single frontend by default), as it's likely I'll go over quota on datastore operations farily regularly. Any ideas on how I can keep my app as cheap as possible without sacrificing functionality? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-appengine/-/-OicXg1wyQIJ. To post to this group, send email to google-a...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengi...@googlegroups.com javascript:. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[google-appengine] Re: Have anyone tried to port a java project with heavy framworks, such as struts and spring, to a pure jsp/servlet project?
Ok, it is the time to make the decision. I will port my java project to go. There is really part of the project depends on some java libraries which are hard to find in go world, but I can make the part as a java service on my VPS. On Thursday, February 6, 2014 1:35:05 PM UTC+8, Tapir wrote: Is it worth dong it? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[google-appengine] pls banned pls help me !! absentis64.appspot.com spam domain !!
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[google-appengine] Re: Dev datastore disappears when upgrading to new version
I set the datastore path to a path inside my project folder using the --datastore_path option for dev_appserver, this way if i upgrade the SDK the datastore isn't overwritten. I'm using the SDK for Go on OSX but i'm pretty sure it would work the same for all versions of GAE SDK. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[google-appengine] Cookies on Cloud Endpoints Java
Can anyone tell me how to allow cookies when using Cloud Endpoints with Java? They're accessible when using the local dev server but once I deploy to .appspot HttpServletRequest.getCookies() is null. There's an answer on SO for Python: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15690831/cloud-endpoints-http-cookies - which led me to find an equivalent class com.google.api.server.spi.config.ApiAuthConfig with setAllowCookieAuth(boolean) method but I don't know how to use it with my endpoint class. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[google-appengine] Re: Using a custom domain name with Google App Engine
hi... i have been trying appengine yesterday and my website http://vidzonline.com is now not accessible from google public dns as well as i cant share links on my +Google on the other hand google stoped my website sitemap indexing. please help me as soon as possible On Monday, May 31, 2010 8:41:31 AM UTC+5, jwleeman wrote: Hello! I'm interested in using Google App Engine, but I already have a domain name registered, which I'd like to use if possible instead of the 'appspot' one. From looking around the doc here, it seems like you need to have a Google Apps account (~ $50 / year) in order to use your own domain name. Is that correct, or am I misunderstanding? Thanks! ~Jeff -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
