Re: [google-appengine] Visual Basic Programmer - should I use Python, Java, PHP or GO

[Alistair Burrowes]

Python and VB syntax may look similar but the languages are quite 
different. VB is strongly typed and python is dynamic. I would say Go is 
closed to VB than python.

On Tuesday, November 17, 2015 at 4:59:35 PM UTC+11, didinj wrote:
>
> Python more human readable that closely to VB.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Didin
>
> 2015-11-17 4:08 GMT+07:00 Alistair Burrowes <alistair...@gmail.com 
> >:
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>> Java is the most similar to vb.net . c# and java are quite similar and 
>> vb is basically an alternative syntax to c#.
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Re: [google-appengine] Visual Basic Programmer - should I use Python, Java, PHP or GO

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Java is the most similar to vb.net . c# and java are quite similar and vb is 
basically an alternative syntax to c#. 

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Re: [google-appengine] 301 redirects - no compelling solution?

[Alistair Burrowes]

Thanks I wasn't aware of that and that is really good to know. I will use 
that when my site moves to https.

However, I still think a PaaS style option should be available for domain 
redirects. Perhaps in app.yaml as well. I think i'll create an issue in the 
app engine issues tracker.

On Tuesday, September 29, 2015 at 5:58:43 PM UTC+10, Luna Duclos wrote:
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> In your app.yaml, you can use  "secure: always" to force the app to use 
> https, this will redirect any and all requests to https without them 
> hitting your app's code at all, does this seem what you're looking for ?
>
> On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 3:58 AM, Alistair Burrowes <alistair...@gmail.com 
> > wrote:
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>> Hi,
>>
>> It seems like there is no good solution for setting up 301 redirects at a 
>> domain level which is a common requirement of websites and should not need 
>> to be handled by an instance. Existing options seem to be:
>>
>>- Use modules and route via dispatch non-canonical domains. This 
>>doesn't appear to handle the case where you want to redirect http to 
>> https 
>>for the canonical domain as I don't think you can use http vs https for 
>>module routing. The solution in general also kind of sucks because you 
>> rack 
>>up instance hours for a pretty trivial requirement.
>>- Pass all requests through some handler and check the domain etc. 
>>Not bad for dynamic content, but static requests don't hit your app 
>> engine 
>>instance and you would need to force them to do so (avoiding the static 
>>content cdn) and have some ugly code that manually returns the static 
>>resource if the domain/scheme is all good.
>>- Have a separate cloud project that non-canonical domains are 
>>pointed to that just redirects requests. This is fine, however doesn't 
>> work 
>>in the case that you want to redirect http to https since both must point 
>>to the same cloud project.
>>
>> I would like a more PaaS option such as:
>>
>>- Simple 301 redirects possible via a configuration file
>>- Simple 301 redirects possible via the cloud console
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>> Am I missing something? If not can a more PaaS option be provided?
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[google-appengine] 301 redirects - no compelling solution?

[Alistair Burrowes]

Hi,

It seems like there is no good solution for setting up 301 redirects at a 
domain level which is a common requirement of websites and should not need 
to be handled by an instance. Existing options seem to be:

   - Use modules and route via dispatch non-canonical domains. This doesn't 
   appear to handle the case where you want to redirect http to https for the 
   canonical domain as I don't think you can use http vs https for module 
   routing. The solution in general also kind of sucks because you rack up 
   instance hours for a pretty trivial requirement.
   - Pass all requests through some handler and check the domain etc. Not 
   bad for dynamic content, but static requests don't hit your app engine 
   instance and you would need to force them to do so (avoiding the static 
   content cdn) and have some ugly code that manually returns the static 
   resource if the domain/scheme is all good.
   - Have a separate cloud project that non-canonical domains are pointed 
   to that just redirects requests. This is fine, however doesn't work in the 
   case that you want to redirect http to https since both must point to the 
   same cloud project.

I would like a more PaaS option such as:

   - Simple 301 redirects possible via a configuration file
   - Simple 301 redirects possible via the cloud console

Am I missing something? If not can a more PaaS option be provided?

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Re: [google-appengine] Re: Frontend Instance Hours quota

[Alistair Burrowes]

Hi,

I had the same issue with updating daily budget and getting an error. I 
reported it via the feedback help button whatever in the top and it started 
working again in about an hour.

In terms of instance hours do you have multiple modules because they will 
each have an instance?



On Friday, September 11, 2015 at 12:11:34 PM UTC+10, Evgeny Fedosov wrote:
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> Hi Nick,
>
> Unfortunately, I still experience this issue.
>
> Thanks,
> Evgeny
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 5:49 AM, Nick (Cloud Platform Support) <
> pay...@google.com > wrote:
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>> Hi Evgeny,
>>
>> Is this still occurring, or was it a transient issue?
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Nick
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, September 6, 2015 at 11:19:34 PM UTC-4, Evgeny Fedosov wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Nick,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the answers, however I only have one instance running.
>>>
>>> Regarding HAR recording - please receive this file (I captured it when I 
>>> tried to set the daily budget).
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Evgeny
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 10:43 PM, Nick (Cloud Platform Support) <
>>> pay...@google.com > wrote:
>>>
 Hi Evgeny,

 I think the cause for the fact that your app reaches its free quota 
 limit is that an instance-hour is calculated as a multiple of the instance 
 performance class relative to the F1 or B1 standard, any instance spun up 
 will be billed for at least 15 minutes, and multiple instances (due to 
 scaling settings and the request load which will activate them) will also 
 count separately. You can read all about this in the App Engine Pricing 
  page and elsewhere. 

 As to your second question, it might help if you could capture a HAR 
 recording  of your 
 tab's activity during that action, and attach it to this case. That might 
 show up something useful if we can look into it. 

 Best wishes,

 Nick

 On Friday, September 4, 2015 at 7:02:45 AM UTC-4, Evgeny Fedosov wrote:
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> I registered a new application that uses Google App engine and faced 
> with a problem. Even though "Frontend Instance Hours" quota is 28 hours I 
> constantly face with a problem that it reaches it's limit even when I do 
> not constantly use the server to send requests. Does anybody know how I 
> can 
> fix this?
>
> Another problem is that even though I received 300$ for free that I 
> can spend during the free trial I can't use them because every time I go 
> to 
> App Engine->Settings and set "Daily budget" to any number I always 
> receive 
> "An error occurred. Some settings may not have been updated successfully" 
> message and I don't know what I am doing wrong.
>
> Does anybody have any idea why I see this error?
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[google-appengine] modules and instance hours relationship?

[Alistair Burrowes]

Hi,

I previously had the one fully contained app engine java web app that was 
only the one module. For code cleanliness reasons I split this up into an 
endpoints backend module and a web frontend module.

I have started driving more traffic to my site and I have hit the 28 
instance hours limit. Is this because each module is incurring instance 
hours now and so in effect the entire web app is consuming double the 
instance hours?

The docs sort of suggest this but it's not super clear to me.

Cheers,
Alistair

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[google-appengine] Update daily budget - fatal error

[Alistair Burrowes]

Hi,

I'm trying to set a daily budget for my project 'whatsmyaspectratio' (wmar 
web) - but I am getting 'Failed to save settings. An error occurred. Some 
settings may not have been updated successfully'.

Is there some issue at the moment or do I need to do something differently?

I previously had no daily budget and I want to set one.

Cheers,
Alistair

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[google-appengine] Re: Update daily budget - fatal error

[Alistair Burrowes]

Um looks like its been fixed..

On Wednesday, September 9, 2015 at 1:36:15 PM UTC+10, Alistair Burrowes 
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> Hi,
>
> I'm trying to set a daily budget for my project 'whatsmyaspectratio' (wmar 
> web) - but I am getting 'Failed to save settings. An error occurred. Some 
> settings may not have been updated successfully'.
>
> Is there some issue at the moment or do I need to do something differently?
>
> I previously had no daily budget and I want to set one.
>
> Cheers,
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Re: [google-appengine] modules and instance hours relationship?

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Got it thanks!

On Wednesday, September 9, 2015 at 2:57:58 PM UTC+10, Alex Martelli wrote:
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> On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 9:37 PM, Alistair Burrowes <alistair...@gmail.com 
> > wrote:
>
>> Um thanks. Sorry to clarify I have 2 frontend autoscaling modules. One is 
>> just serving static html and resources. The other uses endpoints to provide 
>> data. So I guess this will be minimum two instances?
>>
>
> Either module, w/auto-scaling, might have 0 instances if 15 minutes have 
> elapsed since it finished serving the last request (by default -- you can 
> specify other parameters). So, there *might* be fewer than two instances in 
> play at a given time.
>
>
> Alex
>
>  
>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 9, 2015 at 2:29:52 PM UTC+10, Alex Martelli wrote:
>>>
>>> "frontend" modules (i.e ones with the default autoscaling, and thus 
>>> instance classes named starting with F) all share the 28 hours free quota 
>>> (which means 28 hours of F1, remember: if you use a default F2, twice as 
>>> powerful, that's 14 wall-clock hours per day).
>>>
>>> "backend" modules (i.e ones with manual or basic scaling and thus 
>>> instance classes named starting with B) share a separate 8 hours free quota 
>>> (again: that means 8 hours of B1).
>>>
>>> As you give us zero information about scaling kind and instance classes 
>>> you're using, that about exhaust the information WE can offer!-)
>>>
>>> Alex
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 8:57 PM, Alistair Burrowes <alistair...@gmail.com
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I previously had the one fully contained app engine java web app that 
>>>> was only the one module. For code cleanliness reasons I split this up into 
>>>> an endpoints backend module and a web frontend module.
>>>>
>>>> I have started driving more traffic to my site and I have hit the 28 
>>>> instance hours limit. Is this because each module is incurring instance 
>>>> hours now and so in effect the entire web app is consuming double the 
>>>> instance hours?
>>>>
>>>> The docs sort of suggest this but it's not super clear to me.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Alistair
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Re: [google-appengine] modules and instance hours relationship?

[Alistair Burrowes]

Um thanks. Sorry to clarify I have 2 frontend autoscaling modules. One is 
just serving static html and resources. The other uses endpoints to provide 
data. So I guess this will be minimum two instances?

On Wednesday, September 9, 2015 at 2:29:52 PM UTC+10, Alex Martelli wrote:
>
> "frontend" modules (i.e ones with the default autoscaling, and thus 
> instance classes named starting with F) all share the 28 hours free quota 
> (which means 28 hours of F1, remember: if you use a default F2, twice as 
> powerful, that's 14 wall-clock hours per day).
>
> "backend" modules (i.e ones with manual or basic scaling and thus instance 
> classes named starting with B) share a separate 8 hours free quota (again: 
> that means 8 hours of B1).
>
> As you give us zero information about scaling kind and instance classes 
> you're using, that about exhaust the information WE can offer!-)
>
> Alex
>
> On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 8:57 PM, Alistair Burrowes <alistair...@gmail.com 
> > wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I previously had the one fully contained app engine java web app that was 
>> only the one module. For code cleanliness reasons I split this up into an 
>> endpoints backend module and a web frontend module.
>>
>> I have started driving more traffic to my site and I have hit the 28 
>> instance hours limit. Is this because each module is incurring instance 
>> hours now and so in effect the entire web app is consuming double the 
>> instance hours?
>>
>> The docs sort of suggest this but it's not super clear to me.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Alistair
>>
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[google-appengine] Re: Google Cloud Platform wants to hear from you

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Hi,

I would echo a lot of what Karl said.

I would like to see more examples of complex usage of GAE and or managed 
VMs. These are the kind of usages that more advanced developers might want. 
Here are a few examples of things that I have figured out or want:

- CI/CD set up, with dev/staging environments and one button deployments to 
production. It was a pretty long process of trial and error to achieve this.

- a single page app with separate the web front end and the backend 
(endpoints) modules. This was also tricky since endpoints live behind /_ah 
which can't be routed away from the default application. I think separating 
these out and their build processes is healthy separation of concerns.

- integrating gulp build processes into GAE dev servers/build processes. In 
my case I'm using gradle app engine plugin.

- ismorphic javascript app, with server side rendering via something like 
react (I assume this would be a managed VM running node js) that speaks to 
endpoints, from both client side and the node js layer.

Also I agree that more transparency on the roadmap/discussions on direction 
would be really useful.

For example the lack of java 8 on GAE is a concern of mine 
- https://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/detail?id=9537 . There 
isn't any communication as to what the status of this is (note: AWS 
beanstalk supports java 8).

I love the minimal configuration/maintenance of the GAE sandbox, but I need 
to know if a shift to managed VMs is the longer term direction for java 
support. It is not clear when starting a new java project if I should bet 
on GAE java sandbox being supported in the long term or just go with java 8 
on a managed VM. 

Other than this, I have found GAE/GCP to be fantastic and I am really happy 
with the different tools and quality of the libraries provided.

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