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[google-appengine] Re: did App Engine change instance scheduler algorithm in the past month?

2018-05-01 Thread Kyle Finley

Tapir & Jordan,

For what it's worth, I've notice the same issue. I spoke with billing in 
the beginning of April, but at the time they weren't aware of the issue, 
and since it was only a few dollars I didn't pursue it further. If your 
interesting in investigating, here is some information that may be useful.

- The issue seems to have started on March 6th
- For me, it affected 3 low traffic apps (services).
- The apps had previously managed with one instance, and had never or very 
rarely gone over the 28hrs free quota
- No recent setting or code changes. Months or years since last updated
- All apps where using the Go runtime

May be related:
- There was another billing issue that affect 2 of the 3 around the same 
time. The issue involved instance hours being tracked incorrectly 
(attributed to the wrong day). Billing proactively notified me, via email, 
and issued a refund for *that* issue. According to billing *that* issue was 
isolated to one day, but I saw uncharacteristically high quota usage for 
multiple days that month.
- There is a UI bug in the quota table view where quota is reported as $0 
daily while still incurring charges for the day (report to billing).

I suspect the issue is still ongoing. I made changes to 2 of the 3 to 
eliminate instance usage, but the third still seems to be requiring 
increased instance. Since the scheduler behavior is somewhat opaque it's 
difficult to determine if this is a scheduler issue or caused by increased 
traffic, however.

Sorry if this isn't the correct place to post this, I just wanted to give 
you an additional datapoint in case it's helpful. 



On Tuesday, May 1, 2018 at 11:04:04 AM UTC-5, Jordan (Cloud Platform 
Support) wrote:
>
> You should investigate how many instances each of your applications used 
> in March and compare that with the amount in April. If you changed your 
> applications' scaling settings it would have directly affected instance 
> count, and in turn the amount of instance hours you use. 
>
> It is also recommended to make sure you are stopping previous versions of 
> your applications in the Cloud Console 
> , as older versions 
> can still be serving with instances.
>
> - Note that Google Groups is reserved for general product discussions and 
> not for technical support. It is recommended to open a free Billing 
> Support case 
>  for any 
> billing related inquiries. 
>

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[google-appengine] Re: !!!URGENT!!! Billing Error in App Engine Instance Hours, charges skyrocketing

2017-03-15 Thread Kyle Finley

Lawrence & Marco,

For what's it's worth I'm seeing the same issue. 

Marco, If you would like billing account number, please feel free to 
contact me.

Lawrence, thank you for posting this. Would you mind updating this thread 
once the issue has been resolved? I'll need to follow the same procedure.

Thanks,
Kyle

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[google-appengine] Re: Managed VMs logs, load-balancing & context

2015-12-22 Thread Kyle Finley

John,

I just tested accessing my VM by IP. Unfortunately the request timed out:

curl: (7) Failed to connect to 23.XX.XX.XX port 80: Operation timed out


Incase you haven't seen it yet. There's a thread in the App Engine Go group 
where the issue with background context logging is discussed. There's a few 
alternatives suggested.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/google-appengine-go/background/google-appengine-go/V90qiZKJ5Tk/CWiXsxkNDgAJ

I hope you find a solution I'll be looking into websockets in the near 
future.

Kyle

On Tuesday, December 22, 2015 at 9:15:28 AM UTC-6, John Smith wrote:
>
> Hey Kyle,
>
> yes I am using appengine.Main() to start serving requests.
> did you try to access your VMs directly? (by IP, or by 
> network-load-balancer)
>
> (note: when using google's default my-game.appspot.com 
> appengine.NewContext works but WebSockets dont)
>
> Thanks
>
>
> On Tuesday, December 22, 2015 at 4:16:56 PM UTC+2, Kyle Finley wrote:
>>
>> John,
>>
>> Are you calling appengine.Main() in your main() function?
>>
>> I'm not sure if it works with the network-load-balancer, but when I 
>> switched from classic to MVM I was receiving the same error. Adding the 
>> appengine.Main() call fixed the unknown http.Request error.
>>
>> Kyle
>>
>> e.g.
>>
>> package main
>>
>> import (
>> "google.golang.org/appengine"
>> )
>>
>> func main() {
>> appengine.Main()
>> }
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 22, 2015 at 7:42:16 AM UTC-6, John Smith wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey Nick,
>>>
>>> Thank you for your response, I would like to further clarify the flow of 
>>> things:
>>>
>>>- I have to use WebSockets
>>>- WebSockets are not supported on the Classic App Engine (when I 
>>>attempt to open a websocket connection to my-game.appspot.com it is 
>>>being filtered out and not even making it to my app code)
>>>- WebSockets seem to work on MVM via a network-load-balancer 
>>><https://cloud.google.com/compute/docs/load-balancing/network/> (and 
>>>not via the default my-game.appspot.com domain)
>>>- using MVM and a network-load-balancer I cannot create a request 
>>>context [to create a new context I use the supplied 
>>> appengine.NewContext(r) 
>>>function and get the mentioned error]
>>>- I need a context to use the datastore.GetMulti() or log.Debugf() 
>>>APIs
>>>- I am able to create a background context (supported by MVM) and 
>>>use these APIs but when I use this context (with the 
>>> appengine/log.Debugf() 
>>>API) the logs get cluttered (aggregated under /_ah/background)
>>>
>>>
>>>1. are the above points clarify how my app receives requests?
>>>2. no, when a request is dispatched via network-load-balancer (and 
>>>not my-game.appspot.com) my application gets no X-Appengine-* 
>>>headers at all
>>>3. yes all of my logs are piling up under one /_ah/background entry. 
>>>as mentioned above I am using the golang standard appengine/log library 
>>> as 
>>>I did with my previous Classic App engine.
>>>
>>>
>>> ideally the appengine.NewContext(r) function would work and logging via 
>>> the appengine/log.Debugf() would split the lines per request.
>>> do you find this explanation sufficient?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 22, 2015 at 12:21:02 AM UTC+2, Nick (Cloud Platform 
>>> Support) wrote:
>>>>
>>>> As someone somewhat familiar with the Go runtime but not with your 
>>>> exact use case, I'd like to help, but I'm wondering if you could provide 
>>>> some more concrete specification of the following from your post, in terms 
>>>> of code or logs: 
>>>>
>>>> While porting my app from the Classic App Engine I was facing an issue 
>>>>> with the request context (which now "skips" the default HTTP load 
>>>>> balancer 
>>>>> and goes straight to my MVM(gce) node).
>>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>>> I was getting an error ("appengine: NewContext passed an unknown 
>>>>> http.Request").
>>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>>> To overcome my need for datastore/logging/other App Engine facilities 
>>>>> I used context.Backgroun

[google-appengine] Re: Managed VMs logs, load-balancing & context

2015-12-22 Thread Kyle Finley

John,

Are you calling appengine.Main() in your main() function?

I'm not sure if it works with the network-load-balancer, but when I 
switched from classic to MVM I was receiving the same error. Adding the 
appengine.Main() call fixed the unknown http.Request error.

Kyle

e.g.

package main

import (
"google.golang.org/appengine"
)

func main() {
appengine.Main()
}

On Tuesday, December 22, 2015 at 7:42:16 AM UTC-6, John Smith wrote:
>
> Hey Nick,
>
> Thank you for your response, I would like to further clarify the flow of 
> things:
>
>- I have to use WebSockets
>- WebSockets are not supported on the Classic App Engine (when I 
>attempt to open a websocket connection to my-game.appspot.com it is 
>being filtered out and not even making it to my app code)
>- WebSockets seem to work on MVM via a network-load-balancer 
> (and 
>not via the default my-game.appspot.com domain)
>- using MVM and a network-load-balancer I cannot create a request 
>context [to create a new context I use the supplied 
> appengine.NewContext(r) 
>function and get the mentioned error]
>- I need a context to use the datastore.GetMulti() or log.Debugf() APIs
>- I am able to create a background context (supported by MVM) and use 
>these APIs but when I use this context (with the appengine/log.Debugf() 
>API) the logs get cluttered (aggregated under /_ah/background)
>
>
>1. are the above points clarify how my app receives requests?
>2. no, when a request is dispatched via network-load-balancer (and not 
>my-game.appspot.com) my application gets no X-Appengine-* headers at 
>all
>3. yes all of my logs are piling up under one /_ah/background entry. 
>as mentioned above I am using the golang standard appengine/log library as 
>I did with my previous Classic App engine.
>
>
> ideally the appengine.NewContext(r) function would work and logging via 
> the appengine/log.Debugf() would split the lines per request.
> do you find this explanation sufficient?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, December 22, 2015 at 12:21:02 AM UTC+2, Nick (Cloud Platform 
> Support) wrote:
>>
>> As someone somewhat familiar with the Go runtime but not with your exact 
>> use case, I'd like to help, but I'm wondering if you could provide some 
>> more concrete specification of the following from your post, in terms of 
>> code or logs: 
>>
>> While porting my app from the Classic App Engine I was facing an issue 
>>> with the request context (which now "skips" the default HTTP load balancer 
>>> and goes straight to my MVM(gce) node).
>>>
>>  
>>
>>> I was getting an error ("appengine: NewContext passed an unknown 
>>> http.Request").
>>>
>>  
>>
>>> To overcome my need for datastore/logging/other App Engine facilities I 
>>> used context.BackgroundContext() everywhere and it seemed to work well for 
>>> the datastore/urlfetch/etc..
>>
>>
>> This might help me to reproduce your situation and attempt different 
>> solutions. 
>>
>> As to your numbered questions, here are my first responses:
>>
>> 1. Are you talking about "Network Loadbalancing 
>> " or the 
>> GCE "Http Load balancer 
>> ", 
>> and could you clarify again what kind of errors you observed when 
>> attempting this? What is meant by context "skipping"?
>>
>> 2. Do you notice that you're receiving X-Appengine-* headers? If so, you 
>> can certainly use them. If you attempt to add them to requests, do you 
>> notice if they're stripped? If they are, it won't work, if they aren't, it 
>> will. Although this is a quite empirical way to proceed, and if something 
>> isn't explicitly documented, you should file a Public Issue Tracker 
>> feature request  
>> to have the behaviour defined. 
>>
>> 3. Your log lines are all piling up under one /_ah/background entry, as 
>> far as I can tell. You could use the Logging API 
>>  to write 
>> logs, and see if that shows up properly. Another option is logging to a 
>> BigQuery or SQL table. The final, most trivial answer, is to figure out how 
>> to get request logging to work without this BackgroundContext which seems 
>> to flatten all its logs into one expando in the Developers Console UI (if 
>> I'm understanding you correctly, again, it seems like this is what you're 
>> reporting).
>>
>> 4.  A better approach could only be found through further investigation, 
>> if it exists. I'm optimistic that a better approach is out there, it would 
>> just take more thought.
>>
>> On Sunday, December 20, 2015 at 11:17:12 AM UTC-5, John Smith wrote:
>>>
>>> *TL;DR: *Need to use WebSockets on AE. Only works on MVM. NewContext 
>>> fails, BackgroundContext works. Logs are polluted & d

[google-appengine] Re: Do App Engine Managed VMs Support the AppEngine Cron System?

2015-12-16 Thread Kyle Finley

Christopher,

I'm glad you found a solutions. I believe that you can also specify your 
cron.yaml when deploying. At least it works with Go. E.g.

gcloud preview app deploy app.yaml cron.yaml

And I haven't tested it, but I suspect you can add the cron directive to 
your app.yaml file directly, without the need for a separate file:

// app.yaml
runtime: node
// ...
cron:
- description: task one
  url: /task/one
  schedule: every 1 minutes




On Wednesday, December 16, 2015 at 7:02:28 PM UTC-6, Christopher Eaton 
wrote:
>
> Answered- Thanks folks - I want to leave this here in case someone else 
> goes digging for an answer:
>
> Deploying is not enough to get the cron jobs going, you have to use the 
> appcfg.py (found in the google_appengine directory after installing the 
> SDK) to update the cron.
>
> Here's the exact command that pushed my cron.yaml to AppEngine:
> ./appcfg.py update_cron /path/to/app-root/ --no_cookies 
> --noauth_local_webserver -A 
>
> *Where "xxx" is my cloud project id
>
> Hope that helps anyone in the future!
>
>
> On Wednesday, December 16, 2015 at 4:44:40 PM UTC-8, Christopher Eaton 
> wrote:
>>
>> I have a nodejs based Managed VM. It works great, deploys fine, etc. 
>> However, I can find basically zero documentation about getting AppEngine's 
>> cron to work with it. Many forum/stack overflow posts allude to it being 
>> supported, but no one knows how. 
>>
>> I tried dropping a cron.yaml file into my app's directory (same location 
>> as the app.yaml file) but it doesn't seem to register when deployed.
>>
>> Anyone know anything about this, is it supported or not?
>>
>> *Note I'm not talking about cron within the docker image, I'm 
>> specifically asking about the AppEngine cron functionality that is grouped 
>> with Task Queues in the console.
>>
>

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[google-appengine] Re: Qualys SSL Test keeps rating Google App Engine sites with B

2015-09-19 Thread Kyle Finley

PK,

It looks like this issue will be resolved soon.

Disabling SSLv3 and RC4 

  http://googleonlinesecurity.blogspot.com/2015/09/disabling-sslv3-and-rc4.html

> [..] Because of these issues we expect to disable both SSLv3 and RC4 
support at Google’s frontend servers and, over time, across our products in 
general, including Chrome, Android, our webcrawlers and our SMTP servers.

Kyle

On Friday, September 18, 2015 at 10:49:33 PM UTC-5, PK wrote:
>
> This has been reported in this public tracker about a year and a half ago 
> (see issue 10783 
> ). 
> Google has acknowledged the issue there but has never offered an official 
> response. It makes conversations with customers about security difficult. 
> Can somebody respond here and/or the bug tracker what the plans are to make 
> us look good in this test and hopefully more secure?
>
> (Before somebody jumps to offer Cloudflare, I know that Cloudflare or some 
> other front end might be an option but I do not want to have traffic in the 
> clear between that front end and Google, so I want a fix from Google.)
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
>
> PK
> p...@gae123.com 
>
>
>
>
>

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[google-appengine] Re: Email not working after migrating from master/slave to high replication

2015-05-20 Thread Kyle Finley

I believe the limit is reset when you migrate. If you are sending more then 
100 email daily you may need to request a quota increase:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1OpXTrBHpnTZfv53bzr55Ra1NK_eTBzWQ-yO6ydIHC48/viewform?formkey=dENESzEwNzJiZEdpQkRzTl9RNElVWUE6MQ#gid=0

There's' a check box for those that have migrate from master/slave to HDR

On Tuesday, May 19, 2015 at 12:09:57 AM UTC-5, openentry wrote:
>
> Even after successfully migrating the AppEngine from master/slave to high 
> replication, the email function does not work which is working before 
> migrating.
> Anyone has any idea how to fix this problem.
>

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[google-appengine] Re: How to sell and support a web app on GAE

2015-02-23 Thread Kyle Finley

I've been thinking about this also.

For option (1) maybe upgrades could be automated. I wonder if the Google
Cloud Deployment Manager
could be
useful here. At the very least, it seems like it should be possible to have
user authenticate via oAuth and upload utilizing the deploy command from a
VM.

Out of curiosity how are you planning on licensing your app? I was
considering something like this:

CostBusiness TypeRevenueHosting TypeSupportFreeNon-commercial0-XXXSelf -
Your Option (1)NoneXXXCommercialXXX - XManage - Your Option (2)PaidXXX
CommercialXXX - XSelf - Your Option (1)Paid

I think AppEngine is an interesting platform for this type of
setup/licensing. It essentially allows the customer to get high quality
software and hosting at zero initial cost to them and the developer. I
believe this to be ideal for small-medium businesses who don't want to pay
a system admin.

I'm also interested in hear others ideas and thoughts on this.

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[google-appengine] Re: Push to deploy discontinued?

2014-12-22 Thread Kyle Finley

I believe they sent emails to those that have used the service. Here's the 
contents:

Hello,

The ability to quickly, easily and safely deploy your code is an important 
part of a great cloud developer experience. You have used the Release 
Pipelines feature on GCP to push-to-deploy and have given us very 
insightful feedback. We heard clearly that you want more flexibility and 
control. So we have decided to move the product in this direction.

Instead of a pipeline with a small number of options, we want to offer you 
the full flexibility of Jenkins. We heard that setting up Jenkins is hard, 
so we are giving you tools to make that simpler. There are instructions 
 explaining how to set 
up Jenkins and configure continuous deployment for your GCP apps, using 
provided plugins 
.

With the availability of this solution, we are going to remove the Release 
Pipelines UI in the Developer Console by January 22. If you are currently 
using the build/test options, please remember to disable your pipeline so 
you are no longer charged for it.

Note that repo sync with GitHub and Bitbucket is still supported and the 
Jenkins plugin to trigger a deployment from the push event is included 
above.

If you used the 'source only' option in Release Pipelines, going forward 
you can use gcloud app update  to 
deploy source to App Engine.

If you have any questions, please email [removed]*.

Google Cloud Release Pipelines team

*I removed the email address in the event that it was reserved for current 
users.

On Monday, December 22, 2014 2:57:20 PM UTC-6, Kristopher Giesing wrote:
>
> I'm confused as well, was there an official announcement that I missed?
>
> - Kris
>
> On Saturday, December 20, 2014 11:14:29 AM UTC-8, Chad Vincent wrote:
>>
>> Wait, what is this?
>>
>> I just spent 3 of the last 5 weeks trying to convert our Eclipse build to 
>> Maven so we could use push-to-deploy (and dependency management)...
>>
>> On Friday, December 19, 2014 9:22:57 PM UTC-6, Rae Wang wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Lucas,
>>>
>>> I'm sorry this upsets you. I hear your need to have an easier source 
>>> deploy experience and will connect you offline with the eng team working on 
>>> the deployment. 
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Rae
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 19, 2014 3:44:30 PM UTC-8, Lucas Geiger wrote:

 Guys, this is absurd. You finally got the push-to-deploy product right 
 , and now you are discontinuing it. At least pushing source should remain 
 as a feature. 
 The whole appeal of push to deploy was NOT setting up Jenkins. I think 
 you are misjudging the number of people who object to using Jenkins. 
  (By the way it was very disrespectful of you to cloak this 
 discontinuation as a feature upgrade. A tasteless and disingenuous tactic, 
 to be precise.)
>>>
>>>

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[google-appengine] Re: git repo with PhoneGap

2014-04-18 Thread Kyle Finley

Does passing in your username and password work? Something like:[0]

https://username:passw...@source.developers.google.com/p/my-repo/

Note: It's not very secure.

Another option is using a .netrc file [1], but that may not work with 
PhoneGap, if it's an external service.


[0]: 
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/10054318/how-to-give-username-and-password-when-do-git-clone-gitremote-git
 
[1]: 
https://confluence.atlassian.com/display/STASH/Permanently+authenticating+with+Git+repositories


On Friday, April 18, 2014 5:05:07 PM UTC-5, GAEfan wrote:
>
> Would be nice to be able to have a url to the GCS git repo that bypasses 
> authentication.
>
> Or, coordination between PhoneGap and the GCS repo.  PhoneGap coordinates 
> now with GitHub, where you can enter your credentials once, and link the 
> two accounts.
>
> Thanks.
>

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Re: [google-appengine] Cloud Datastore Dashboard not working

2014-04-04 Thread Kyle Finley

Are you using Chrome? I've had issues with Chrome, but the admin displayed 
correctly with Firefox 28. Also, I've found that some browser extensions 
(Ad block, Disconnect, etc.) may interfere with the loading of some assets.


On Friday, April 4, 2014 2:02:19 PM UTC-5, husayt wrote:
>
> Hi Vinny,
>
> here is the screenshot:
>
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/rw7c7pkc32hrhq4/Screenshot%202014-04-04%2019.52.23.png
>
> Noting special. something to do with the error in obtainning 
> metadata
>  mentioned above.
>
> On Wednesday, 2 April 2014 00:53:57 UTC+1, Vinny P wrote:
>>
>> Can you screenshot the error page and post an image here?
>>  
>>  
>> -
>> -Vinny P
>> Technology & Media Advisor
>> Chicago, IL
>>
>> App Engine Code Samples: http://www.learntogoogleit.com
>>   
>>  
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 3:50 AM, husayt  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi, 
>>> Cloud Datastore Dashboard in Developers Console is not working for us in 
>>> one of projects:
>>>
>>> https://console.developers.google.com/project//datastore/stats
>>>
>>> it says "Failed to load".
>>>
>>> Probably fails because of the error in this quesry:
>>> Request URL:
>>> https://console.developers.google.com/m/datastore/metadata?pid=...
>>>
>>> Is this known issue, and where is the best to report it?
>>>
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Re: [google-appengine] Cacheing (mostly) static data in Cloud Storage

2014-03-20 Thread Kyle Finley

Pertti,

Cloudflare  offers a free caching service that 
should fit your needs. App Engine also offers edge 
caching, 
but I believe you must have billing enabled to utilize it. Either solution 
would save you from incurring datastore lookups. Cloudflare has the added 
benefit of saving you on bandwidth as well.

As for billing, you can set the maximum spend to as low as $0.01 / day, 
this would give you the benefits of having billing enabled without the risk 
of encoring a large bill.

Kyle

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[google-appengine] Re: Announcing a credit for App Engine applications with new custom domains

2013-06-17 Thread Kyle Finley

Andrew,

Is this in addition to the 1 free Google Apps user?

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-appengine/pVZfdeky-ow/TO1SmipM2Y0J

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[google-appengine] Re: Deploy current HTML site to Google Apps

2013-01-07 Thread Kyle Finley

To add to Blaine's comment -- you *can* map the root url i.e. '/' to an 
index.html file by add something like:

# app.yaml
# ...
handlers:
- url: /
  static_dir: dreamweaver_dir

- url: /
  static_files: dreamweaver_dir/index.html
  upload: dreamweaver_dir/index.html

Kyle

On Monday, January 7, 2013 2:35:38 PM UTC-6, Blaine Garrett wrote:
>
> See 
> https://developers.google.com/appengine/docs/python/gettingstarted/staticfiles
>
> You *might* be able to set the static directive for your root URL or 
> catchall, although I have not tried this and would anticipate some issues. 
> If that works, then you should be able to just have Dreamweaver publish to 
> a folder in your app, set the directive to point the root url to that 
> folder, and then deploy the app as normal.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, January 6, 2013 4:58:43 PM UTC-6, rod.doo...@trucker-ware.comwrote:
>>
>> Have been working with the cloud sherpa’s for a while now but can’t seem 
>> to get a straight answer from anyone. We are trying to do a Proof of 
>> concept on the App Engine but before we get to deep we just want to deploy 
>> a very basic HTML site that was developed with Dream Weaver. Is this 
>> possible? If so does anyone have a link or instruction for a Windows user.
>>
>>  I am so frustrated with this that we are considering cancelling the POC 
>> and just doing traditional development and hosting.
>>
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[google-appengine] Re: Google Apps No Longer Free

2012-12-07 Thread Kyle Finley

techamerica,

Have you looked into Windows Live Custom Domains https://domains.live.com/ 
? I think what you could do is:

1. Add your clients domain as Greg described.
2. Setup your clients email using Windows Live
3. Create regular google accounts (not gmail accounts) using the Windows 
Live email addresses e.g. u...@example.com
4. Add the users as developers to the account so that you can send emails 
using their address.

I haven't tested this, but I think it should work. It adds a few more hoops 
to jump through, but I guess that's the cost of free.

Kyle

On Friday, December 7, 2012 11:31:13 AM UTC-6, techamerica wrote:
>
> Well Merry Christmas to you too Greg and Google. 
>
> Have you guys even stopped to consider the effects eliminating the small 
> standard app will have on small business?  I for one do not know if I can 
> survive. I make my living on helping very small business's get efficient on 
> the web. And part of that was introducing those small clients to Google 
> Apps Standard and Google Adwords. I was literally in the process of setting 
> up 2 brand new clients when this hit. I just cashed their checks on 
> Tuesday. Now I am going to have to give them their money back. Right before 
> Christmas. And when I say small clients I am talking about 4 or 5 people. 
>
> If you even would have given us some notice, we might have managed it. How 
> many of us small, one and two and three man shops have supported Google 
> over the years?
>
> Thanks a lot. Merry Christmas.
>
> On Thursday, December 6, 2012 6:42:42 PM UTC-8, Greg wrote:
>>
>> Just saw that Google Apps is no longer free for 
>> businesses
>> . 
>>
>> I have no problem paying for a Google Apps account where I actually use 
>> Google apps, but at the moment you have to have a Google Apps account to 
>> link a domain to an Appengine app. Some of our apps have two or three 
>> domains showing the same app, and because you need to have an account for 
>> each email address that Appengine sends email from, we have three or four 
>> accounts per domain. So this is potentially going to add $600 per year to 
>> our costs - all for virtual accounts that don't actually use Google Apps at 
>> all.
>>
>> Can someone from Google comment please? Either Google Apps accounts need 
>> to remain free if they are associated with Appengine apps, or there needs 
>> to be another way to link domains (and authorise email addresses) for 
>> Appengine.
>>
>>
>>

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[google-appengine] Re: Question on how to modularize handlers

2012-11-09 Thread Kyle Finley

Shan, if you are using the python27 runtime it should be:

# app.yaml

runtime: python27

- url: /test
  script: handlers/test.application

https://developers.google.com/appengine/docs/python/config/appconfig#Script_Handlers

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On Friday, November 9, 2012 9:18:35 AM UTC-6, Shan Sikdar wrote:
>
> Hi basic question,
>
> Basically I'm having trouble modularizing handlers in GAE.
>
> Specifically in my application I have a download button that calls a Test 
> handler so far I have:
>   
>  $('#download').button().click(function(){
> $(' src="/test">').appendTo('body');
>  
> });
> 
>
> And then at the bottom of the code I have :
>
> class Test(webapp2.RequestHandler):
> def get(self):
> logging.info("Entered Handler")
> self.response.headers['Content-Type'] = 'text/csv'
> self.response.headers['Content-Disposition'] = "attachment; 
> filename=fname.csv"
> self.response.out.write(','.join(['a', 'cool', 'test'])) 
>
> application = webapp2.WSGIApplication([('/', MainHandler),
> ('/query', QueryHandler),
>   ('/test', Test) ],
> debug=True)   
> And this works but I want to be able to make the Test class into its own 
> .py file. 
>
> So I made a folder called handlers saved the class as test.py and then 
> changed my app.yaml to include:
> - url: /test
>   script: handlers/test.py
>
> However when I try clicking the download button it gives the error : 
> ImportError('Could not find module %s' % fullname)
> ImportError: Could not find module handlers.test
>
> I have also tried changing the app.yaml to:
> - url: /handlers
>   static_dir: handlers
>
> and changing the source in the javascript code to src="/handlers/test.py" 
> but in this case there's no error but also it doesn't enter the handler at 
> all it simply just says "GET /handlers/test.py HTTP/1.1" 200 -
>
> What am I missing?
>
> Thanks!
>
> 
>

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<h3><span class=subject><a href="/google-appengine@googlegroups.com/msg65072.html">[google-appengine] Re: Go Lang everything in a single source?</a></span></h3>
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In Go -- files within the same directory should belong to the same package. 
So, both main.go and a.go should be the same package E.g. package script. 
This turns out to be a really nice feature because it allows you to break 
your packages into logical pieces with very little effort.

I would suggest structuring your app like:

c:\gae\app.yaml

c:\gae\a\http.go

c:\gae\a\model.go

c:\gae\main\http.go

c:\gae\main\model.go

Files in the main directory would begin with package main, and files in the a 
directory would begin with package a

Alternatively you could put both a and main directories in a scripts 
directory.

On Friday, November 2, 2012 10:25:54 PM UTC-5, Lawrence Mok wrote:
>
> Hi guys,
>
> I'm new to "Go"... I wonder how can I separate my source files into 
> multiple files instead of needing to keep all code into one file?
>
> I tried but it always return results like:
>
> 2012/11/03 11:15:39 go-app-builder: Failed parsing input: failed parsing dir 
> script: found packages main (main.go) and a (a.go) in c:\gae\script
>
> My files structure is:
> c:\gae\app.yaml
>
> c:\gae\script\a.go
>
> c:\gae\script\main.go
>
>
> Thanks,
> Lawrence
>
>

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<h3><span class=subject><a href="/google-appengine@googlegroups.com/msg63792.html">Re: [google-appengine] Go AppEngine vs Java AppEngine</a></span></h3>
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Excellent point Brandon. Memory usage in Go is a huge win. Where a python 
app my use 40Mb an equivalent Go app would use 7Mb. This leaves more room 
for a cache. 

On Wednesday, September 5, 2012 11:40:16 AM UTC-5, Brandon Wirtz wrote:
>
> We found that Go runs neck and Neck with Python. It has less penalty for 
> threading. It is slower on RegEx.
>
>  
>
> Java is more memory intensive. And depending on your Frameworks is often 
> slower to warm up.
>
>  
>
> Go has less documentation and less sample code so if you wander off the 
> beaten path you are on your own.
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* google-a...@googlegroups.com  [mailto:
> google-a...@googlegroups.com ] *On Behalf Of *Luke Mauldin
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 05, 2012 6:05 AM
> *To:* google-a...@googlegroups.com 
> *Subject:* [google-appengine] Go AppEngine vs Java AppEngine
>
>  
>
> All,
>
>  
>
> I have a new development project starting and I plan on using AppEngine. 
>  I have the choice of using either Go or Java as my primary language and I 
> have experience using both of them.  From what I can see, more AppEngine 
> services are available for Java but the list of supported services for Go 
> is growing.  Does anyone have any feedback on comparing the languages in 
> the App Engine environment?  I am specifically interested in knowing if 
> anyone has experienced substantial performance improvements migrating their 
> Java App Engine projects to use Go?
>
>  
>
> Luke
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Luke & Shildendra,

I think one major advantage of Go is the instance startup time. In my 
experiences it's always less than 1 second. Whereas startup time for Java 
instance cause much unnecessary stress. Just search the list -- you will 
find thread upon thread where it is being discussed.

I suspect that Go will win on raw number crunch over Java, too, but, I 
haven't tested it, and it may depend upon the task.

Concurrency, the one area where you would expect Go to shine, you might 
be surprised. All App Engine instances are capped at 10 in flight requests. 
Therefore, the gains that you would see in fewer instances will be severely 
reduced. This cap is major issue for all languages though, and 
I'm confident that it will be resolved soon. Here's the issue on the issue 
tracker if you would like to star it:Allow instance to handle more then 10 
requests <http://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/detail?id=7927>.

- Kyle

Because, currently, all instances are capped at 10 in flight request it's , 
but 
On Wednesday, September 5, 2012 8:54:58 AM UTC-5, Shilendra Sharma wrote:
>
> Hi. Luke
>
> You use the JAVA for  google app engine 
> Regards & Thanks
> Shilendra Sharma
> +919891343808
> shilen...@gmail.com 
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 6:35 PM, Luke Mauldin 
> > wrote:
>
>> All,
>>
>> I have a new development project starting and I plan on using AppEngine. 
>>  I have the choice of using either Go or Java as my primary language and I 
>> have experience using both of them.  From what I can see, more AppEngine 
>> services are available for Java but the list of supported services for Go 
>> is growing.  Does anyone have any feedback on comparing the languages in 
>> the App Engine environment?  I am specifically interested in knowing if 
>> anyone has experienced substantial performance improvements migrating their 
>> Java App Engine projects to use Go?
>>
>> Luke
>>
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According to Nick Johnson (a former App Engine team member) os.environ is 
threadsafe:

But what if my app makes use of 'os.environ' or other CGI-isms, you ask? 
All is not lost. The smart folks on the Python 2.7 runtime team foresaw 
that some apps will inevitably do this, and built in a workaround for them. 
'os.environ' and a few other bits and pieces are now "thread local" on the 
2.7 runtime, meaning that each thread (and hence each request) see a 
different copy of them, containing only the data relevant to the current 
request. Apps that expect to get request information from os.environ can 
thus continue to work fine. Bear in mind that this really is a workaround, 
though - it's definitely cleaner to rewrite your apps to rely only on the 
WSGI environment, if you have the opportunity. The WSGI environment can be 
accessed as self.request.environ if you're using webapp.

http://blog.notdot.net/2011/10/Migrating-to-Python-2-7-part-1-Threadsafe

I don't know if it is documented anywhere else, I suspected it is.

- Kyle

On Tuesday, August 28, 2012 4:30:16 PM UTC-5, Jason Collins wrote:
>
> The top answer in this SO thread suggests that os.environ should be 
> generally avoided because it's not threadsafe in the threadsafe: truePython 
> 2.7 environment.
>
>   
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5901653/name-of-current-app-in-google-app-engine-python
>   
>
> I'm dubious because the WSGI spec explicitly uses os.environ to construct 
> its request objects, etc.
>
> Can anyone confirm/deny the safety of using os.environ in a threadsafe: 
> true deployment?
>
> Thanks,
> j
>

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<h3><span class=subject><a href="/google-appengine@googlegroups.com/msg63010.html">Re: [google-appengine] How can I block curl requests</a></span></h3>
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Kate,

Sorry to hear that. So CloudFlare.com wasn't able to block it?

- Kyle

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In the admin logs - under options - you can filter by regular expression. Does 
that help?

On Aug 8, 2012, at 12:11 PM, Kate wrote:

> It isn't stopping them. I am just not getting errors. What is troubling is 
> that these curl requests are counting as hits and there are so many of tens 
> of thousands of them it is hard for me to analyze site traffic as genuine 
> requests are buried in the curl stats.
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> Yes-- the limits are the same as frontend instances.  Actually, at the moment 
> the limit is 8 for python, and 10 for java.

OK, Thanks. Is this documented anywhere officially?

If anyone is interested in making this number configurable please star this 
future request:
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Amy, 

Are backends limited to 10 concurrent requests like frontend instances?

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Hopefully they will stop once they realizes they&#x27;re being blocked - if it&#x27;s a 
legitimate service. If they are not, and they are reading this thread, they 
will probably just change their user agent, though. The only way to stop them 
from reaching your app entirely would be to use a service like CloudFlare. I 
have no personal experience with CloudFlare, however, so I can not state 
definitively that it will solve your problem.  And adding an additional layer 
can result in it&#x27;s own issues, as demonstrated by the August 1st CloudFlare 
block. 

- Kyle

On Aug 6, 2012, at 1:58 PM, Kate wrote:

&gt; But I still don&#x27;t like them hitting my site every 500 ms! e.g.
&gt; 2012-08-06 13:56:02.725 / 401 32ms 0kb curl/7.18.2 (i386-redhat-linux-gnu) 
&gt; libcurl/7.18.2 NSS/3.12.2.0 zlib/1.2.3 libidn/0.6.14 libssh2/0.18
&gt; 
&gt; 2012-08-06 13:56:02.279 / 401 70ms 0kb curl/7.19.7 (i386-redhat-linux-gnu) 
&gt; libcurl/7.19.7 NSS/3.12.6.2 zlib/1.2.3 libidn/1.9 libssh2/1.2.4
&gt; 
&gt; 2012-08-06 13:55:57.921 / 401 29ms 0kb curl/7.18.2 (i386-redhat-linux-gnu) 
&gt; libcurl/7.18.2 NSS/3.12.2.0 zlib/1.2.3 libidn/0.6.14 libssh2/0.18
&gt; 
&gt; 2012-08-06 13:55:55.403 / 401 9ms 0kb curl/7.18.2 (i386-redhat-linux-gnu) 
&gt; libcurl/7.18.2 NSS/3.12.2.0 zlib/1.2.3 libidn/0.6.14 libssh2/0.18
&gt; 
&gt; 2012-08-06 13:55:54.323 / 401 52ms 0kb curl/7.19.7 (i386-redhat-linux-gnu) 
&gt; libcurl/7.19.7 NSS/3.12.6.2 zlib/1.2.3 libidn/1.9 libssh2/1.2.4
&gt; 
&gt; 2012-08-06 13:55:54.283 / 401 33ms 0kb curl/7.18.2 (i386-redhat-linux-gnu) 
&gt; libcurl/7.18.2 NSS/3.12.2.0 zlib/1.2.3 libidn/0.6.14 libssh2/0.18
&gt; 
&gt; 2012-08-06 13:55:52.814 / 401 82ms 0kb curl/7.18.2 (i386-redhat-linux-gnu) 
&gt; libcurl/7.18.2 NSS/3.12.2.0 zlib/1.2.3 libidn/0.6.14 libssh2/0.18
&gt; 
&gt; 2012-08-06 13:55:52.437 / 401 50ms 0kb curl/7.18.2 (i386-redhat-linux-gnu) 
&gt; libcurl/7.18.2 NSS/3.12.2.0 zlib/1.2.3 libidn/0.6.14 libssh2/0.18
&gt; 
&gt; 2012-08-06 13:55:49.063 / 401 33ms 0kb curl/7.18.2 (i386-redhat-linux-gnu) 
&gt; libcurl/7.18.2 NSS/3.12.2.0 zlib/1.2.3 libidn/0.6.14 libssh2/0.18
&gt; 
&gt; 2012-08-06 13:55:45.986 / 401 10ms 0kb curl/7.18.2 (i386-redhat-linux-gnu) 
&gt; libcurl/7.18.2 NSS/3.12.2.0 zlib/1.2.3 libidn/0.6.14 libssh2/0.18
&gt; 
&gt; 2012-08-06 13:55:43.610 / 401 18ms 0kb curl/7.18.2 (i386-redhat-linux-gnu) 
&gt; libcurl/7.18.2 NSS/3.12.2.0 zlib/1.2.3 libidn/0.6.14 libssh2/0.18
&gt; 
&gt; 2012-08-06 13:55:42.189 / 401 29ms 0kb curl/7.18.2 (i386-redhat-linux-gnu) 
&gt; libcurl/7.18.2 NSS/3.12.2.0 zlib/1.2.3 libidn/0.6.14 libssh2/0.18
&gt; 
&gt; 2012-08-06 13:55:42.114 / 401 76ms 0kb curl/7.18.2 (i386-redhat-linux-gnu) 
&gt; libcurl/7.18.2 NSS/3.12.2.0 zlib/1.2.3 libidn/0.6.14 libssh2/0.18
&gt; 
&gt; 2012-08-06 13:55:39.592 / 401 51ms 0kb curl/7.21.0 (x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu) 
&gt; libcurl/7.21.0 NSS/3.12.10.0 zlib/1.2.5 libidn/1.18 libssh2/1.2.4
&gt; 
&gt; 2012-08-06 13:55:38.948 / 401 85ms 0kb curl/7.18.2 (i386-redhat-linux-gnu) 
&gt; libcurl/7.18.2 NSS/3.12.2.0 zlib/1.2.3 libidn/0.6.14 libssh2/0.18
&gt; 
&gt; 2012-08-06 13:55:38.945 / 401 130ms 0kb curl/7.19.7 (i386-redhat-linux-gnu) 
&gt; libcurl/7.19.7 NSS/3.12.6.2 zlib/1.2.3 libidn/1.9 libssh2/1.2.4
&gt; 
&gt; 2012-08-06 13:55:38.944 / 401 123ms 0kb curl/7.18.2 (i386-redhat-linux-gnu) 
&gt; libcurl/7.18.2 NSS/3.12.2.0 zlib/1.2.3 libidn/0.6.14 libssh2/0.18
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; On Monday, August 6, 2012 2:50:55 PM UTC-4, Kate wrote:
&gt; Just read this. Thanks.
&gt; 
&gt; Looks like it works now.
&gt; 
&gt; Thanks to all!
&gt; 
&gt; Kate
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; On Friday, August 3, 2012 10:51:23 AM UTC-4, Joshua Smith wrote:
&gt; There are couple problems with your snippet.
&gt; 
&gt; First, she&#x27;s getting HEAD not GET requests, so you need to use different 
&gt; handler.
&gt; 
&gt; Also, you aren&#x27;t returning, so if you were in a GET request, it would proceed 
&gt; to handle the request regardless.
&gt; 
&gt; Something more like this (untested):
&gt; 
&gt; class MainHandler(webapp.RequestHandler):
&gt;   def head(self):
&gt; self.error(401)
&gt; 
&gt;   def get(self):
&gt; if (self.request.headers[&#x27;User-Agent&#x27;].startswith(&#x27;curl&#x27;))
&gt;   self.error(401)
&gt;   return
&gt; # rest of the get handler
&gt; 
&gt; On Aug 3, 2012, at 10:34 AM, Kyle Finley  wrote:
&gt; 
&gt;&gt; Hi Joshua, 
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; Thank you, that&#x27;s a good thought. 
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; Kate sent me some files offline, and I believe we&#x27;ve figured out the 
&gt;&gt; problem. For the middleware to work you must be using WSGI not CGI. Someone 
&gt;&gt; please correct me if I&#x27;m wrong, but I believe she would have to upgrade here 
&gt;&gt; App to python27 to use it. The alternative is to do the check in the webapp 
&gt;&gt; request handler:
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; def check_for_curl(self):
&gt;&gt; if self.request.environ[&#x27;HTTP_USER_AGENT&#x27;].startswith(&#x27;curl&#x27;):
&gt;&gt; return self.error(401)
&gt;&gt; 
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@Brandon
Yes, 503 would probably be better then 401.

@Joshua
No 429 doesn&#x27;t work. I don&#x27;t know if the allowed return values are documented, 
but here&#x27;s the source:
http://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/source/browse/trunk/python/google/appengine/ext/webapp/_webapp25.py#345

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&gt; I would have thought self.error(429). That doesn&#x27;t work? Is there a doc that 
&gt; says what codes are are allowed to return?
&gt; 
&gt; On Aug 3, 2012, at 11:02 AM, Kyle Finley  wrote:
&gt; 
&gt;&gt; Yes, thank you.  Do you have any thoughts on how to return error code 429?
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; On Aug 3, 2012, at 9:51 AM, Joshua Smith wrote:
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt; There are couple problems with your snippet.
&gt;&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt; First, she&#x27;s getting HEAD not GET requests, so you need to use different 
&gt;&gt;&gt; handler.
&gt;&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt; Also, you aren&#x27;t returning, so if you were in a GET request, it would 
&gt;&gt;&gt; proceed to handle the request regardless.
&gt;&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt; Something more like this (untested):
&gt;&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt; class MainHandler(webapp.RequestHandler):
&gt;&gt;&gt;   def head(self):
&gt;&gt;&gt; self.error(401)
&gt;&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt;   def get(self):
&gt;&gt;&gt; if (self.request.headers[&#x27;User-Agent&#x27;].startswith(&#x27;curl&#x27;))
&gt;&gt;&gt;   self.error(401)
&gt;&gt;&gt;   return
&gt;&gt;&gt; # rest of the get handler
&gt;&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt; On Aug 3, 2012, at 10:34 AM, Kyle Finley  wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Hi Joshua, 
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Thank you, that&#x27;s a good thought. 
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Kate sent me some files offline, and I believe we&#x27;ve figured out the 
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; problem. For the middleware to work you must be using WSGI not CGI. 
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Someone please correct me if I&#x27;m wrong, but I believe she would have to 
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; upgrade here App to python27 to use it. The alternative is to do the check 
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; in the webapp request handler:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; def check_for_curl(self):
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; if self.request.environ[&#x27;HTTP_USER_AGENT&#x27;].startswith(&#x27;curl&#x27;):
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; return self.error(401)
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; class MainHandler(webapp.RequestHandler):
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; def get(self):
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; check_for_curl(self)
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; # handle request
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; The problem is that webapp doesn&#x27;t recognize error code 429 so we have to 
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; use something else. Unless there&#x27;s a simple way to make it write 429?
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; - Kyle
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> I think you change 401 in this code to 429

I wish it was that easy. Webapp2 uses dictionary to return the status code / 
message and 429 didn't make the list.

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File 
"/Applications/GoogleAppEngineLauncher.app/Contents/Resources/GoogleAppEngine-default.bundle/Contents/Resources/google_appengine/google/appengine/ext/webapp/_webapp25.py",
 line 701, in __call__
handler.get(*groups)
  File "/Users/finley/dev/scotch/operation_curl_block/main.py", line 
7, in get
return self.error(429)
  File 
"/Applications/GoogleAppEngineLauncher.app/Contents/Resources/GoogleAppEngine-default.bundle/Contents/Resources/google_appengine/google/appengine/ext/webapp/_webapp25.py",
 line 435, in error
self.response.set_status(code)
  File 
"/Applications/GoogleAppEngineLauncher.app/Contents/Resources/GoogleAppEngine-default.bundle/Contents/Resources/google_appengine/google/appengine/ext/webapp/_webapp25.py",
 line 279, in set_status
message = Response.http_status_message(code)
  File 
"/Applications/GoogleAppEngineLauncher.app/Contents/Resources/GoogleAppEngine-default.bundle/Contents/Resources/google_appengine/google/appengine/ext/webapp/_webapp25.py",
 line 341, in http_status_message
raise Error('Invalid HTTP status code: %d' % code)
Error: Invalid HTTP status code: 429

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While startup times appears to be a contentious topic. I think that we can 
all agree that:

*Fewer Instance *==* Few Cold Starts *==* Happy Customers *==* Smaller Bills
*

Currently Apps of all sizes are capped at 10 concurrent requests. F4 
instance can handle no more concurrent request then a F1. I have create a 
feature request to make this option configurable. 

If you believe that your App can handle Greater than 10 concurrent requests 
please star this issue: 

http://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/detail?id=7927

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Yes, thank you.  Do you have any thoughts on how to return error code 429?

On Aug 3, 2012, at 9:51 AM, Joshua Smith wrote:

&gt; There are couple problems with your snippet.
&gt; 
&gt; First, she&#x27;s getting HEAD not GET requests, so you need to use different 
&gt; handler.
&gt; 
&gt; Also, you aren&#x27;t returning, so if you were in a GET request, it would proceed 
&gt; to handle the request regardless.
&gt; 
&gt; Something more like this (untested):
&gt; 
&gt; class MainHandler(webapp.RequestHandler):
&gt;   def head(self):
&gt; self.error(401)
&gt; 
&gt;   def get(self):
&gt; if (self.request.headers[&#x27;User-Agent&#x27;].startswith(&#x27;curl&#x27;))
&gt;   self.error(401)
&gt;   return
&gt; # rest of the get handler
&gt; 
&gt; On Aug 3, 2012, at 10:34 AM, Kyle Finley  wrote:
&gt; 
&gt;&gt; Hi Joshua, 
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; Thank you, that&#x27;s a good thought. 
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; Kate sent me some files offline, and I believe we&#x27;ve figured out the 
&gt;&gt; problem. For the middleware to work you must be using WSGI not CGI. Someone 
&gt;&gt; please correct me if I&#x27;m wrong, but I believe she would have to upgrade here 
&gt;&gt; App to python27 to use it. The alternative is to do the check in the webapp 
&gt;&gt; request handler:
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; def check_for_curl(self):
&gt;&gt; if self.request.environ[&#x27;HTTP_USER_AGENT&#x27;].startswith(&#x27;curl&#x27;):
&gt;&gt; return self.error(401)
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; class MainHandler(webapp.RequestHandler):
&gt;&gt; def get(self):
&gt;&gt; check_for_curl(self)
&gt;&gt; # handle request
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; The problem is that webapp doesn&#x27;t recognize error code 429 so we have to 
&gt;&gt; use something else. Unless there&#x27;s a simple way to make it write 429?
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; - Kyle
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Hi Joshua, 

Thank you, that's a good thought. 

Kate sent me some files offline, and I believe we've figured out the 
problem. For the middleware to work you must be using WSGI not CGI. Someone 
please correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe she would have to upgrade 
here App to python27 to use it. The alternative is to do the check in the 
webapp request handler:

def check_for_curl(self):
if self.request.environ['HTTP_USER_AGENT'].startswith('curl'):
return self.error(401)

class MainHandler(webapp.RequestHandler):
def get(self):
check_for_curl(self)
# handle request

The problem is that webapp doesn't recognize error code 429 so we have to 
use something else. Unless there's a simple way to make it write 429?

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>
> Why can’t I configure how many requests  Frontends handle? F1’s serving 8 
> requests is silly. F4’s handling 8 requests is often equally silly in the 
> opposite direction.

Good idea. I have created a feature request for it, Please star it:
http://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/detail?id=7927

Do we always have to go through Apps For Domains? How much money do I have 
> to send you to never have to talk to their tech support again? Similar 
> question Naked Domians. I want one. Building a URL Shortener that has to 
> have www. On the front is breaking my heart. 
>
Would the VIP SSL allow you to circumvent Apps for Domains? 

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That is strange. The only other thing I can think of is that the requests are 
not dynamic request, so the middleware is not being called. Is the URL root 
being handled in the app.yaml? something like:

- url: /
  static_files: index.html
  upload: index.html

Another, thought, what framework are you using webapp, webapp2 flask? It 
shouldn&#x27;t matter, but I&#x27;m kind of out of ideas.

Is the code on Github or somewhere I could take look? If you want you can send 
me the link off list.

- Kyle

Other then then, I don&#x27;t know. Is the code public
On Aug 2, 2012, at 7:39 PM, Kate wrote:

&gt; I restarted the instance. I also got a copy of curl.exe for windows and it 
&gt; lets me through! :-(
&gt; 
&gt; My code is exactly this (below) and is in the file appengine_config.py in the 
&gt; root directory.
&gt; 
&gt; I also tested your example from my machine and got blocked.
&gt; 
&gt; I can&#x27;t think of why this could be! I even altered appengine_config.py to 
&gt; have a syntax error and it picked it up, so I know it is loading.
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; from webob import Response
&gt; 
&gt; class AntiCurlMiddleware(object):
&gt; def __init__(self, app):
&gt; self.app = app
&gt; 
&gt; def __call__(self, environ, start_response):
&gt; if environ[&#x27;HTTP_USER_AGENT&#x27;].startswith(&#x27;curl&#x27;):
&gt; resp = Response(&#x27;Too many requests!&#x27;)
&gt; resp.status = 423
&gt; return resp(environ, start_response)
&gt; return self.app(environ, start_response)
&gt; 
&gt; def webapp_add_wsgi_middleware(app):
&gt; return AntiCurlMiddleware(app)
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; On Thursday, August 2, 2012 6:55:37 PM UTC-4, Kyle Finley wrote:
&gt;&gt; How do I restart the instance?
&gt; at appengine.google.com in the instance section you should see a list of 
&gt; instance. They each have a &quot;Shutdown&quot; button
&gt; 
&gt;&gt; Yes it is in the root directory. I am stumped! I didn&#x27;t think it was working 
&gt;&gt; as I tried testing for different browsers and it didn&#x27;t catch them.
&gt; 
&gt; I don&#x27;t know, that&#x27;s strange. I&#x27;ts working here:
&gt; http://anticurl.scotch-media.appspot.com/
&gt; 
&gt; And if you have included the file in your project, it should at the very 
&gt; least stop me from using curl to access your site.
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If the middleware doesn't block them, I believe the issue with CloudFlare has 
been resolved. maybe you could test their service. They have a free tier
https://www.cloudflare.com/plans and CloudFlare should block the request before 
they  reached your app - saving you from starting instances to handle the curl 
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> How do I restart the instance?
at appengine.google.com in the instance section you should see a list of 
instance. They each have a "Shutdown" button

> Yes it is in the root directory. I am stumped! I didn't think it was working 
> as I tried testing for different browsers and it didn't catch them.

I don't know, that's strange. I'ts working here:
http://anticurl.scotch-media.appspot.com/

And if you have included the file in your project, it should at the very least 
stop me from using curl to access your site.

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Same here. It let me in.

Did you copy this file to the root directory?

https://github.com/scotch/operation_curl_block/blob/master/appengine_config.py

Maybe the instance needs to be restarted? Does anyone else have any ideas?

- Kyle

On Aug 2, 2012, at 4:34 PM, Wilson MacGyver wrote:

&gt; it&#x27;s not working, I did curl &#x27;http://www.australiansabroad.com/&#x27; and
&gt; it let me in
&gt; 
&gt; On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 5:24 PM, Kate  wrote:
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; Thanks Kyle,
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; I don&#x27;t have a system with access to curl and will download it for Windows
&gt;&gt; later. Meanwhile I&#x27;ve put your code on my site.
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; Can you test it with curl for me? I tried testing for user agent starting
&gt;&gt; with  Mozilla , from Firefox but it didn&#x27;t work.
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; http://www.australiansabroad.com
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; Many thanks!!
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; Kate
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; On Thursday, August 2, 2012 4:42:44 PM UTC-4, Kyle Finley wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt; Kate, sorry there were some errors
&gt;&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt; Here&#x27;s a working example:
&gt;&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt; https://github.com/scotch/operation_curl_block/blob/master/appengine_config.py
&gt;&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt; It should be &quot;status&quot; not &quot;status_code&quot;, AntiCurlMiddleware not
&gt;&gt;&gt; AntiCurlMiddlewarey and I used startswith instead of is
&gt;&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt; You can test it here:
&gt;&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt; curl -v http://anticurl.scotch-media.appspot.com
&gt;&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt; will return:
&gt;&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt; * About to connect() to anticurl.scotch-media.appspot.com port 80 (#0)
&gt;&gt;&gt; *   Trying 173.194.77.141... connected
&gt;&gt;&gt; * Connected to anticurl.scotch-media.appspot.com (173.194.77.141) port 80
&gt;&gt;&gt; (#0)
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; GET / HTTP/1.1
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; User-Agent: curl/7.21.4 (universal-apple-darwin11.0) libcurl/7.21.4
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; OpenSSL/0.9.8r zlib/1.2.5
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Host: anticurl.scotch-media.appspot.com
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Accept: */*
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt; &lt; HTTP/1.1 423 Locked
&gt;&gt;&gt; &lt; Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8
&gt;&gt;&gt; &lt; Vary: Accept-Encoding
&gt;&gt;&gt; &lt; Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 20:40:13 GMT
&gt;&gt;&gt; &lt; Server: Google Frontend
&gt;&gt;&gt; &lt; Cache-Control: private
&gt;&gt;&gt; &lt; Transfer-Encoding: chunked
&gt;&gt;&gt; &lt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; * Connection #0 to host anticurl.scotch-media.appspot.com left intact
&gt;&gt;&gt; * Closing connection #0
&gt;&gt;&gt; Too many requests!
&gt;&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt; I hope that helps
&gt;&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt; - Kyle
&gt;&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt; On Thursday, August 2, 2012 2:47:57 PM UTC-5, Kate wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I am looking for &#x27;win&#x27; in user agent as that IS the USER Agent I am using
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; to test. It should evaluate to true  and give a 423 error.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I do not want to test it using curl. I am trying to see if I can return a
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 423 error. It is a TEST!
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I am running it locally to see if it will block.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; It doesn&#x27;t.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &#x27;Win&#x27; is in my user agent - as I am testing.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; On Thursday, August 2, 2012 3:43:44 PM UTC-4, hyperflame wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; You&#x27;re trying to find curl requests by looking for a &quot;win&quot; string?
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; IIRC, curl uses &quot;curl&quot; as its default user-agent, you have to look for
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; that. Also, it&#x27;s a bad idea to look for &quot;Win&quot;, as legitimate requests
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; (users using WINdows) will be blocked.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Also, it should be noted (and I believe a number of people have
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; already mentioned) that curl allows a person to change their user-
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; agent; just looking for a &quot;curl&quot; user-agent may not stop the problem.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; On Aug 2, 1:55 pm, Kate  wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Well I tried this by testing user agent but it passes the test and the
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; page
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; loads correctly, which it shouldn&#x27;t in this example.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Am I meant to pass &#x27;app&#x27; as such? I am not sure of this parameter.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Here is my code
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; from webob import Response
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; class AntiCurlMiddleware(object):
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;def __init__(self, app):
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;self.app = app
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;def __call__(self, environ, start_response):
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;ua = os.environ.ge</pre></span>
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Kate, sorry there were some errors

Here's a working example:
https://github.com/scotch/operation_curl_block/blob/master/appengine_config.py

It should be "status" not "status_code", AntiCurlMiddleware not 
AntiCurlMiddleware*y *and I used startswith *instead* of *is*

You can test it here:

*curl -v http://anticurl.scotch-media.appspot.com*

will return:

* About to connect() to anticurl.scotch-media.appspot.com port 80 (#0)
*   Trying 173.194.77.141... connected
* Connected to anticurl.scotch-media.appspot.com (173.194.77.141) port 80 
(#0)
> GET / HTTP/1.1
> User-Agent: curl/7.21.4 (universal-apple-darwin11.0) libcurl/7.21.4 
OpenSSL/0.9.8r zlib/1.2.5
> Host: anticurl.scotch-media.appspot.com
> Accept: */*
> 
< HTTP/1.1 *423* Locked
< Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8
< Vary: Accept-Encoding
< Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 20:40:13 GMT
< Server: Google Frontend
< Cache-Control: private
< Transfer-Encoding: chunked
< 
* Connection #0 to host anticurl.scotch-media.appspot.com left intact
* Closing connection #0
*Too many requests!*

I hope that helps

- Kyle

On Thursday, August 2, 2012 2:47:57 PM UTC-5, Kate wrote:
>
> I am looking for 'win' in user agent as that IS the USER Agent I am using 
> to test. It should evaluate to true  and give a 423 error.
>
> I do not want to test it using curl. I am trying to see if I can return a 
> 423 error. It is a TEST!
>
> I am running it locally to see if it will block.
>
> It doesn't.
>
> 'Win' is in my user agent - as I am testing.
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, August 2, 2012 3:43:44 PM UTC-4, hyperflame wrote:
>>
>> You're trying to find curl requests by looking for a "win" string? 
>> IIRC, curl uses "curl" as its default user-agent, you have to look for 
>> that. Also, it's a bad idea to look for "Win", as legitimate requests 
>> (users using WINdows) will be blocked. 
>>
>> Also, it should be noted (and I believe a number of people have 
>> already mentioned) that curl allows a person to change their user- 
>> agent; just looking for a "curl" user-agent may not stop the problem. 
>>
>> On Aug 2, 1:55 pm, Kate  wrote: 
>> > Well I tried this by testing user agent but it passes the test and the 
>> page 
>> > loads correctly, which it shouldn't in this example. 
>> > Am I meant to pass 'app' as such? I am not sure of this parameter. 
>> > 
>> > Here is my code 
>> > from webob import Response 
>> > 
>> > class AntiCurlMiddleware(object): 
>> > def __init__(self, app): 
>> > self.app = app 
>> > 
>> > def __call__(self, environ, start_response): 
>> > ua = os.environ.get('HTTP_USER_AGENT', "unknown") 
>> > sindex = string.find(ua,'Win',0) 
>> > if sindex > 0: 
>> >   resp = Response('Too many requests!') 
>> >   resp.status_code = 423 
>> >   return resp(environ, start_response) 
>> > return self.app(environ, start_response) 
>> > 
>> > def webapp_add_wsgi_middleware(app): 
>> > return AntiCurlMiddlewarey(app) 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > On Wednesday, August 1, 2012 4:43:58 PM UTC-4, Kate wrote: 
>> > 
>> > > I am getting tens of thousands of curl requests - many thousands time 
>> > > browser requests and I want to block them. I'm using python. They 
>> coming 
>> > > from many different IPs most in Europe.  If I can't stop them I will 
>> have 
>> > > to close my site or go to a new provider. 
>> > 
>> > > Thank in advance, 
>> > 
>> > > Kate 
>>
>

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<h3><span class=subject><a href="/google-appengine@googlegroups.com/msg62685.html">Re: [google-appengine] How can I block curl requests</a></span></h3>
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Kate,

You could check the user agent in a middleware something like this:

# in your appengine_config.py file - root directory
from webob import Response

class AntiCurlMiddleware(object):
def __init__(self, app):
self.app = app

def __call__(self, environ, start_response):
if environ['HTTP_USER_AGENT'] is 'curl':
resp = Response('Too many requests!')
resp.status_code = 423
return resp(environ, start_response)
return self.app(environ, start_response)

def webapp_add_wsgi_middleware(app):
return AntiCurlMiddlewarey(app)

I haven't tested this, so If anyone sees any errors please let me know.

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Even if she did the check in a middleware, she would still have to 
handle/reject the requests by spinning up instances, though. Right? 

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Yes, I should mention that today might not be a good day to test CloudFlare, 
though.

https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/google-appengine/Q6yQ4d9ov-o

On Aug 1, 2012, at 5:59 PM, Jeff Schnitzer wrote:

&gt; On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 2:55 PM, Kyle Finley  wrote:
&gt;&gt; Hi Kate,
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; Maybe you could look into cloudflare.com it offers protection agains DDOS
&gt;&gt; attacks, which is what these request appear to be.
&gt; 
&gt; Oh, the irony...
&gt; 
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Hi Kate,

Maybe you could look into cloudflare.com it offers protection agains 
DDOS<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial-of-service_attack> attacks, 
which is what these request appear to be.

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<h3><span class=subject><a href="/google-appengine@googlegroups.com/msg62444.html">[google-appengine] Re: Differentiated service with Google App Engine</a></span></h3>
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David and anyone else who is interested here's the feature request:
http://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/detail?id=1300

Instead of allowing multiple apps to share one datastore; It appears that 
the App Engine team is planning on giving more control over app versions, 
in the future. I believe this is the Google IO session that discusses it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQ5_47zy4bY

-Kyle

On Thursday, July 26, 2012 10:19:12 PM UTC-5, David Hardwick wrote:
>
> Hi 
>
> If you put in a feature request to have two+ apps access the same 
> datastore natively then I will definitely star it!
>
>
> On Thursday, July 26, 2012 3:11:48 PM UTC-4, rerngvit yanggratoke wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>Anyone have an idea on how to achieve a differentiated service 
>> with Google App Engine? I have two types of users. One is premium while 
>> another one is free user. I would like to set different minimum latencies 
>> for firing up new GAE instances between the two. In other words, I am 
>> willing to pay extra for the traffic generated from the premium users. 
>> Nonetheless, for the free users, I would prefer to pay at minimum or within 
>> the daily free quota provided by Google. In my case, I expect that the free 
>> users are able to tolerate higher latency than the premium ones. I believe 
>> that this case should be quite general and apply to many people.
>>Assuming that I can identify types of users by the URLs they use 
>> or via other mechanisms. The only way I could think of is creating two 
>> separated applications and letting the premium users access the one that 
>> enables billing, while free users access the one that doesn't. However, my 
>> free and premium users need to share the datastore because they are also 
>> have to communicate within the application. Unfortunately, it seems that 
>> sharing a datastore across applications is not possible at the moment (feel 
>> free to correct me if I am wrong). 
>>
>> Any ideas or suggestions?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Rerngvit
>>
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Oh, OK. Thank you Brandon.

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Hi Brandon,

> The people who don't know how to build APIs so that apps are task 
> specific. Piss me off. Build modular. Dump frame works. Defer often. Be 
> your own scheduler by shaping internal ops. Cache incoming. Cache reads 
> cache writes. Manage threads. Use warmups. This is not rocket science.
>
OT, but how are you cacheing writes in a fault tolerant manner? Task queue? 
I've been trying to develop a strategy for that. Also, what do you mean by 
"Cache incoming"?

Thanks,

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<h3><span class=subject><a href="/google-appengine@googlegroups.com/msg62207.html">[google-appengine] Re: 500 Internal Server Errors Not Logged</a></span></h3>
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Hi Chris,

Did you see this error at a time when a new instance was starting up?

I saw the same thing when I was doing some load testing. The problem seem 
to present itself when a new instance was added. My theory is that 
the scheduler routed the requests to ia new instance before it had 
completely loaded. For whatever reason the instance died taking with it the 
requests.

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I don't have an answer for the auto scaling of backends, but maybe you 
could accomplish your task through a combination of Backends and Frontend 
instances. 

You says that the reason you were having issues with frontend instance was 
because of high startup time caused by intense processing. Would it 
possible to move the processing to the backend, but still have the frontend 
instance handle requests? You could have the backend do the processing, 
then whenever you need to startup a new frontend instance you could have it 
request the precomputed values from the backend. 

Just a thought.

- Kyle

On Thursday, July 12, 2012 12:42:04 PM UTC-5, turbofrank wrote:
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> Hi everyone,
>
> I've inherited an application built on GAE that has an abnormally high 
> startup time due to intense processing to fill a local cache.  Standard GAE 
> instances were not working for us, so we had to move to backends.  I have a 
> couple of questions:
>
> 1) If our traffic spikes to levels higher than the backend can handle, 
> does GAE do anything?  I've noticed during higher traffic, our instance 
> being terminated often (_ah/stop).  This means 10-20 minutes while a new 
> instance spins up, and our app is down.  Anyone else experiencing this? 
>  I'm guessing I will need to put up more backends. :(
>
> 2) Is there any way to configure auto scaling of backends so that I don't 
> have to pay for several instances just hanging around during low traffic 
> hours?
>
> Thank you,
> Frank
>
>
>
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Dan, Thank you.

On Jul 11, 2012, at 1:22 PM, Dan Holevoet wrote:

&gt; The Java command line tool is shipped in the current SDK in 
&gt; $SDK/bin/endpoints.sh. The Python version isn&#x27;t currently in the SDK.
&gt; 
&gt; You can also use the latest version of the Google Plugin for Eclipse if 
&gt; you&#x27;re working on a Java backend.
&gt; 
&gt; Thanks,
&gt; Dan
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 8:49 PM, Kyle Finley  wrote:
&gt; Perfect, that&#x27;s what I was hoping. 
&gt; 
&gt; How are the Discovery docs created?
&gt; I suspect that there is a program that takes the annotated code (python / 
&gt; java) and creates the document? Where would one find this tool? I apologize 
&gt; if it is in the SDK. I couldn&#x27;t find it.
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; - Kyle
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; On Jul 10, 2012, at 8:10 PM, Dan Holevoet wrote:
&gt; 
&gt;&gt; Hi Kyle,
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; Discovery documents are served for all Endpoints (at 
&gt;&gt; your_app_id.appspot.com/_ah/apis/discovery/v1/apis) just like 
&gt;&gt; Google-authored APIs. We also provide a local version of the discovery doc 
&gt;&gt; (as a file) when you do local development so you don&#x27;t have to push to 
&gt;&gt; production to test your Endpoint.
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; The local discovery doc is used to generate the Objective-C library. The Go 
&gt;&gt; generator would use the local file as well. (Of course, you can point them 
&gt;&gt; to the live discovery doc if you&#x27;d like to.) So, I think we&#x27;re offering what 
&gt;&gt; you want. Apologies if my explanation is (or was) confusing. I&#x27;m happy to 
&gt;&gt; elaborate further.
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; Thanks,
&gt;&gt; Dan
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 4:11 PM, Kyle Finley  wrote:
&gt;&gt; Hi Dan,
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; Thank you for your reply.
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; If you&#x27;re just interested in generating a client library for an Endpoint 
&gt;&gt; that you can consume in Go, you can probably use the gen.go file provided by 
&gt;&gt; the Go client library. I must include the disclaimer that this is entirely 
&gt;&gt; untested, the generated library may make assumptions which are incorrect for 
&gt;&gt; non-Google-authored APIs.
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; Yeah this is partly was I was interested in.  I must admin I&#x27;m not 
&gt;&gt; completely clear on how &quot;endpoints&quot; works. I thought that you might have a 
&gt;&gt; tools that created discovery docs from annotated code. That&#x27;s was what I was 
&gt;&gt; interested in looking at. I&#x27;m sure I can create something similar. I just 
&gt;&gt; thought looking at some code might help.
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; I think this whole process has a lot potential as an open source standard. 
&gt;&gt; Everyone is struggling for consistency In there API&#x27;s. You guys have done a 
&gt;&gt; lot good work with the discovery api and the tools that parse I would like 
&gt;&gt; to see that spread.
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; Thank you,
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; Kyle
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; If you want to write a backend in Go, there are probably some server-side 
&gt;&gt; details that would block your implementation.
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; Thanks,
&gt;&gt; Dan
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Here's the feature request. Please star it.

http://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/detail?id=5858

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Perfect, that&#x27;s what I was hoping. 

How are the Discovery docs created?
I suspect that there is a program that takes the annotated code (python / java) 
and creates the document? Where would one find this tool? I apologize if it is 
in the SDK. I couldn&#x27;t find it.

- Kyle

On Jul 10, 2012, at 8:10 PM, Dan Holevoet wrote:

&gt; Hi Kyle,
&gt; 
&gt; Discovery documents are served for all Endpoints (at 
&gt; your_app_id.appspot.com/_ah/apis/discovery/v1/apis) just like Google-authored 
&gt; APIs. We also provide a local version of the discovery doc (as a file) when 
&gt; you do local development so you don&#x27;t have to push to production to test your 
&gt; Endpoint.
&gt; 
&gt; The local discovery doc is used to generate the Objective-C library. The Go 
&gt; generator would use the local file as well. (Of course, you can point them to 
&gt; the live discovery doc if you&#x27;d like to.) So, I think we&#x27;re offering what you 
&gt; want. Apologies if my explanation is (or was) confusing. I&#x27;m happy to 
&gt; elaborate further.
&gt; 
&gt; Thanks,
&gt; Dan
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 4:11 PM, Kyle Finley  wrote:
&gt; Hi Dan,
&gt; 
&gt; Thank you for your reply.
&gt; 
&gt; If you&#x27;re just interested in generating a client library for an Endpoint that 
&gt; you can consume in Go, you can probably use the gen.go file provided by the 
&gt; Go client library. I must include the disclaimer that this is entirely 
&gt; untested, the generated library may make assumptions which are incorrect for 
&gt; non-Google-authored APIs.
&gt; 
&gt; Yeah this is partly was I was interested in.  I must admin I&#x27;m not completely 
&gt; clear on how &quot;endpoints&quot; works. I thought that you might have a tools that 
&gt; created discovery docs from annotated code. That&#x27;s was what I was interested 
&gt; in looking at. I&#x27;m sure I can create something similar. I just thought 
&gt; looking at some code might help.
&gt; 
&gt; I think this whole process has a lot potential as an open source standard. 
&gt; Everyone is struggling for consistency In there API&#x27;s. You guys have done a 
&gt; lot good work with the discovery api and the tools that parse I would like to 
&gt; see that spread.
&gt; 
&gt; Thank you,
&gt; 
&gt; Kyle
&gt; 
&gt; If you want to write a backend in Go, there are probably some server-side 
&gt; details that would block your implementation.
&gt; 
&gt; Thanks,
&gt; Dan
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Hi Dan,

Thank you for your reply.

If you're just interested in generating a client library for an Endpoint 
> that you can consume in Go, you can probably use the 
> gen.go<http://code.google.com/p/google-api-go-client/source/browse/google-api-go-generator/gen.go>file
>  provided by the Go client library. I must include the disclaimer that 
> this is entirely untested, the generated library may make assumptions which 
> are incorrect for non-Google-authored APIs.
>

Yeah this is partly was I was interested in.  I must admin I'm not 
completely clear on how "endpoints" works. I thought that you might have a 
tools that created discovery <https://developers.google.com/discovery/>docs 
from annotated code. That's was what I was interested in looking 
at. I'm sure I can create something similar. I just thought looking at some 
code might help.

I think this whole process has a lot potential as an open source standard. 
Everyone is struggling for consistency In there API's. You guys have done a 
lot good work with the discovery api and the tools that parse I would like 
to see that spread.

Thank you,

Kyle

If you want to write a backend in Go, there are probably some server-side 
> details that would block your implementation.
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> Thanks,
> Dan
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Are the tools open source? I think that the discovery api has a lot of 
potential and I would like to investigate a Go port.

On Tuesday, July 10, 2012 3:22:15 PM UTC-5, Dan Holevoet wrote:
>
> Yes. We have command line tools for Python annotations -> client 
> libraries. (We have them for Java as well, if using Eclipse and the Google 
> Plugin for Eclipse isn't your thing.)
>
> Thanks,
> Dan
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 5:34 PM, timh  wrote:
>
>> Does that mean that the tools exist to generate the client libs from 
>> annotated python code exist as well ?
>>
>> T
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 10, 2012 8:25:31 AM UTC+8, Dan Holevoet wrote:
>>>
>>> Google Cloud Endpoints supports Python as well. We don't have any 
>>> specific plans yet for supporting Go.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Dan
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 8:48 PM, timh  wrote:
>>>
 HI

 I have watched all of the presentations/videos on endpoints.  All 
 examples are java based.
  Are the tools and this service focussed on java only ?  What about 
 python/go ?

 Cheers

 T

 On Saturday, July 7, 2012 9:34:19 AM UTC+8, Amy Unruh wrote:
>
>
>
> On 3 July 2012 05:41, Tom Muse  wrote:
>
>> Do you have the link for the video handy? I am having difficulties 
>> locating it.
>
>
> Here's the I/O session video: https://developers.**goog**
> le.com/events/io/sessions/**gooi**o2012/303/<https://developers.google.com/events/io/sessions/gooio2012/303/>.
>
>  -Amy
>  
>
>>
>> Thanks in advance :)
>>
>>
>> On Friday, June 29, 2012 6:50:45 PM UTC-4, Tom wrote:
>>>
>>> Just watched the video - endpoints look great.
>>>
>>> Are you able to give us some idea when they will be available for 
>>> non-Trusted testers?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>> Tom
>>>
>>> On Thursday, June 28, 2012 12:44:58 AM UTC-4, Christina Ilvento 
>>> wrote:

 Hi All,

 Endpoints is one of the features we announced in our App Engine 
 overview session today at I/O that's designed to make writing mobile 
 backends on App Engine easier. More details to come in talks tomorrow 
 (YouTube videos should be up soon) and we'll post some info with the 
 trusted tester sign-up form to the groups shortly.

 Thanks,
 Christina

 On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 8:58 PM, James Broberg 
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> I'd also like to know. Don't hold out on us now :)
>
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> On 28 June 2012 06:45, Sam G  wrote:
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>> Bump. Any word from a Googler on what this is!?
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 26, 2012 4:59:33 PM UTC-7, Sam G wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> This section just showed up for me in the App Engine dashboard.
>>> I also heard PageSpeed and SSL have been released? Where can I 
>>> get to these so that I can sign up?
>>>
>>> The new "Endpoints" section says that an API.yaml should 
>>> exist... what will go in that? Is there documentation up, now that 
>>> this is 
>>> a production release?
>>>
>>>
>>> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-8UcxwQ-SA1c/T-pMt7axhhI/BOA/78xFoVtkBtQ/s1600/endpoints.png>
>>> Is this part of an I/O release?
>>>
>>> Screenshot sample attached.
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Thank you Berry!

I was hoping for better results considering there are not service calls. Heres 
the instance chart.

It looks like I would only be billed for 1 instance. I just wish the scheduler 
was less aggressive.

On Jul 10, 2012, at 1:11 PM, Barry Hunter wrote:

> # ab -n 1000 -c 500 -i http://goscore.scotch-media.appspot.com/leaders
> This is ApacheBench, Version 2.0.40-dev <$Revision: 1.146 $> apache-2.0
> Copyright 1996 Adam Twiss, Zeus Technology Ltd, http://www.zeustech.net/
> Copyright 2006 The Apache Software Foundation, http://www.apache.org/
> 
> Benchmarking goscore.scotch-media.appspot.com (be patient)
> Completed 100 requests
> Completed 200 requests
> Completed 300 requests
> Completed 400 requests
> Completed 500 requests
> Completed 600 requests
> Completed 700 requests
> Completed 800 requests
> Completed 900 requests
> Finished 1000 requests
> 
> 
> Server Software:Google
> Server Hostname:goscore.scotch-media.appspot.com
> Server Port:80
> 
> Document Path:  /leaders
> Document Length:0 bytes
> 
> Concurrency Level:  500
> Time taken for tests:   4.177839 seconds
> Complete requests:  1000
> Failed requests:0
> Write errors:   0
> Total transferred:  152000 bytes
> HTML transferred:   0 bytes
> Requests per second:239.36 [#/sec] (mean)
> Time per request:   2088.919 [ms] (mean)
> Time per request:   4.178 [ms] (mean, across all concurrent requests)
> Transfer rate:  35.43 [Kbytes/sec] received
> 
> Connection Times (ms)
>   min  mean[+/-sd] median   max
> Connect:4   14  13.3  5  46
> Processing:   120 1300 1110.89074040
> Waiting:  119 1299 1110.89064040
> Total:124 1314 1114.39284079
> 
> Percentage of the requests served within a certain time (ms)
>   50%928
>   66%   1296
>   75%   1437
>   80%   1679
>   90%   3432
>   95%   3848
>   98%   4043
>   99%   4054
>  100%   4079 (longest request)
> 
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Thank you, whoever ran that.

It looks like Go doesn't do all the much better. The scheduler started up 3 
instances for that. With the peak (when I happened to check it) at 25 QPS. I 
would be curious to hear what the real latency was. 

Total number of instances   Average QPS*Average Latency*Average 
Memory
3 total 12.022  18.5 ms 6.8 MBytes
Instances 
QPS*Latency*RequestsErrors  Age Memory  Logs
AvailabilityShutdown
25.083  14.8 ms 91440   19:52:147.8 MBytes  View Logs   
Dynamic 

10.850  26.9 ms 815 0   0:01:02 7.1 MBytes  View Logs   Dynamic 

0.133   14.8 ms 21  0   0:01:02 5.6 MBytes  View Logs   Dynamic 

This is under the free quota, though, but with no datastore ops, just serving a 
string from memory.

On Jul 10, 2012, at 11:59 AM, Jeff Schnitzer wrote:

> On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 8:05 PM, Richard  wrote:
>> Ok, so I sat with Jeff in a G+ hangout for a while tonight, and we could not
>> figure it out - other than my app is confusing the crap out of the scheduler
>> which is then not sending requests to instances.
> 
> Updated:  This may not be a scheduler problem.  It may be that we
> can't wringing more than 10 requests/second out of Python27
> application instances.
> 
> Given a request that does nothing but write a single entity to a
> datastore (typically 50ms, but sometimes varies), what should we
> expect throughput per Python27 instance to be?
> 
> Jeff
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I would like to see how Go fairs.

Would someone with high bandwidth please try running this:

ab -r -n 1000 -c 500 -i http://goscore.scotch-media.appspot.com/leaders

With one instance running I'm getting:
AB:
Requests per second:31.31 [#/sec] (mean)
Datastore Admin:

Total number of instances   Average QPS*Average Latency*Average 
Memory
1 total 16.267  3.4 ms  7.8 MBytes
Instances 
QPS*Latency*RequestsErrors  Age Memory  Logs
AvailabilityShutdown
16.267  3.4 ms  67230   19:39:507.8 MBytes  View Logs   
Dynamic 

But I think this might be limited by my bandwidth.

Thanks,

Kyle

On Jul 10, 2012, at 12:25 PM, Jeff Schnitzer wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Barry Hunter  wrote:
>> 
>> Jon McAlister here:
>> https://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine/msg/2949285edc35fc8f
>> seems to suggest that there is a hard 10req/sec limit enforced by the
>> scheduler.
> 
> That's a concurrency limit.  If each request took 1000ms, they would
> be equivalent... however, each request that we're talking about is
> ~50ms.  What I expect is to see throughput of 1000 / 50 * concurrency
> = (20 * concurrency) requests per second.  If concurrency is 10, that
> would be 200 QPS.
> 
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Jeff, Thanks for the clarification. It's good to know that this is a free 
quota issue. The fact that the errors are not reported in the logs, makes 
it difficult to diagnose.

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I'm seeing the same thing with the test app I created. Even though I had max 
instances set to 1 the scheduler still started up a second instance. During 
this time I had several request that resulted in 500 server errors. Once the 
second instance was started latency increased - as if the scheduler couldn't 
decide which instance to route the request to. After a few seconds it 
subsisted. I believe that this transition period maybe responsible for error 
rates. The bad thing about it is:

1) The errors didn't appear in the logs.  So it is quite likely that this is a 
common problem, but few developers are aware of it.
2) There's nothing that can be done to fix it.

In fairness I was testing under the free quota, so maybe the scheduler behaves 
better on payed apps.

On Jul 9, 2012, at 10:05 PM, Richard wrote:

> Ok, so I sat with Jeff in a G+ hangout for a while tonight, and we could not 
> figure it out - other than my app is confusing the crap out of the scheduler 
> which is then not sending requests to instances.

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I&#x27;m not sure why memcache would have stale data. Maybe a datastore query is 
some how responsable. The hrd is only strongly consistent when querying by 
key. 

As for Go, if I&#x27;m going to evangelize I should probably back it up. I put 
together a sample app to demonstrate it&#x27;s concurrence. 

*Interface:* http://goscore.scotch-media.appspot.com/
*Source:* https://github.com/scotch/goscore/blob/master/server/http.go
*Leader Board JSON:* http://goscore.scotch-media.appspot.com/leaders

The Go runtime uses 
goroutines&lt;http://golang.org/doc/effective_go.html#goroutines&gt; to 
handle request. So in theory it should be able to handle 1000&#x27;s of 
request/second. I would be interested to see if this holds true on a 500Mhz 
virtual box.

Feel free to DDOS the *Leader Board 
JSON&lt;http://goscore.scotch-media.appspot.com/leaders&gt;
 URL* I have the app set to 1 instance - so any latency will be from 1 
instance handling all of the request. If you are still seeing the &quot;Request 
was aborted&quot; then App Engine must have some type of throttle in place.

- Kyle

On Sunday, July 8, 2012 8:19:04 PM UTC-5, Richard wrote:
&gt;
&gt; I could if memcache actually worked.  But it does not.  I originally tried 
&gt; to use it and found that I could not push the game state to memcache and 
&gt; then have the other instances pull it.  They would get versions of it that 
&gt; were up to 5 minutes old.  My timings are 5 second windows.
&gt; 5 secs to submit all scores
&gt; 5 secs to reap scores and calc leaderboards
&gt; 5 secs to fan out results to clients
&gt;
&gt; Experience shows that memcache is just broken for that sort of timing.
&gt;
&gt; As for using Go instead of Python.  I am not sure I follow why Go should 
&gt; be better.  The lag is not coming from CPU or queries.
&gt;
&gt; Right now I am running 50 instances to serve 500 game clients. $48 for the 
&gt; last 18 hours.  11% of my requests result in &quot;Request was aborted&quot;.  Yeah, 
&gt; that is 12 THOUSAND fails.
&gt;
&gt; Back in the year 1995, ftp.cdrom.com could serve 2000 clients 
&gt; simultaneously on a Pentium Pro 200MHz  and I cannot serve 20 clients 
&gt; on a 500Mhz virtual box ?  
&gt;
&gt; I still contend there is some internal throttling going on somewhere.
&gt;
&gt; -R
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; On Sunday, July 8, 2012 6:23:02 PM UTC-4, Kyle Finley wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Richard,
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Another option would be to move the Game State request to a 
&gt;&gt; Go&lt;https://developers.google.com/appengine/docs/go/overview&gt; instance, 
&gt;&gt; either as a 
&gt;&gt; backend&lt;https://developers.google.com/appengine/docs/go/config/backends&gt;or 
&gt;&gt; as a separate version. I believe a single Go instance should be able the 
&gt;&gt; handle 500 request / second. You could then share the Game State between 
&gt;&gt; the Python version and the Go version through Memcache, cacheing to 
&gt;&gt; instance memory every 5 sec. 
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; - Kyle 
&gt;&gt;
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Richard,

Another option would be to move the Game State request to a 
Go<https://developers.google.com/appengine/docs/go/overview> instance, 
either as a 
backend<https://developers.google.com/appengine/docs/go/config/backends>or as a 
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handle 500 request / second. You could then share the Game State between 
the Python version and the Go version through Memcache, cacheing to 
instance memory every 5 sec. 

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Have you mapped the root ('/') to a template? If so, App Engine will have 
to start an instance to handle this request. Also any request that are not 
specified in the app.yaml file will be sent to the instance causing it to 
start up. Be sure to account map the *favicon.icon* for example.

Generally I would not worry about it consuming frontend instance hours 
unless your site is geting more then 1 or 2 request / sec. App Engine 
graciously gives you 28hrs / day more then enough to fulfill 1 to 2 request 
/ sec.

If you still have questions post your app.yaml file so we'll have a better 
idea of your set up.

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Congratulations!

Would you be able to share an estimate on when the Search API will be 
available from the Go runtime? I understand that both are experimental, but 
is it actively being worked on or is still on the todo list?

Thank you,
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Have the owner of the apps change your Role from *Owner* to *Developer. T*hen, 
the app will not count as one of your ten.

https://appengine.google.com/permissions?app_id=yourapiid

On Monday, April 30, 2012 4:33:29 PM UTC-5, lumpynifkin wrote:
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> Is it possible to raise the number of apps I am able to create.  It seems 
> I have run out but I have not created 10 apps.  I have been added to a few 
> apps I did not create and this seems to be affecting my quota.  Can I have 
> my quota raised or not be charged for apps I did not create?

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I would like to have this feature as well. It makes a lot of 
sense, especially for Go apps. A single Go instance can handle thousands of 
requests, and only takes up 6MB of ram leaving over 120MB for a cache.

If you create a feature request please post it here so I can star it.

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Angelina,

The amount of time required really depends upon the amount of control that 
you want. 

Are you displaying the same ad to all users?
Do you need to track impressions?

If you're simply displaying the same ad to all users, then it shouldn't 
take more then a couple hours. The most time consuming task would be 
building the admin interface that would allow you to change the ad.

- Kyle

On Monday, March 26, 2012 6:31:08 PM UTC-5, angelina amerson wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> we are  looking  to set up in order  to be able to run custom banner ads 
> on our rhis app.
>
> This will require someone to setup the google app engine and configure it 
> so that it can push ads to 
>
> our app, and the ability to change those ads anytime we  choose . Any some 
> one tell me how difficult is it and how many man hours  are involved for 
>  the programmer to write the code for it ? 
> Thank you so much 
>

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The interesting thing about cold start time, is that it seems to varies 
based on the AppID, at least with the Python27 runtime.

As stated here ( 
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/google-appengine/W7EJrBhHEJg 
) I tested the exact same application on multiple AppIDs and discovered 
that a new AppID started my application in less then half the time (63% 
faster) then an older one.

I would be interested to hear if this is unique to my application or is 
true for others.

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I don&#x27;t record it on each test, but it was generally ~ 42.2 MBytes +-0.4

On Mar 12, 2012, at 5:19 PM, James Broberg wrote:

&gt; Did you check the current memory utilisation of each app when you ran the 
&gt; test?
&gt; 
&gt; On 13 March 2012 08:41, Kyle Finley  wrote:
&gt;&gt; Has anyone noticed a dramatic difference in Cold Start times when using
&gt;&gt; different AppIDs?
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; I recently changed the AppID for a project that I&#x27;m working on and there was
&gt;&gt; a noticeable reduction in the cold start time.
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; Intrigued, I decided to perform an experiment:
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; I loaded the application on 4 different AppIDs all of which were HRD.
&gt;&gt; Using tools.pingdom.com I loaded the home page for each of the AppIDs using
&gt;&gt; the http://*.appspot.com domain and recorded wait (yellow bar) time for the
&gt;&gt; HTML page.
&gt;&gt; I, then, shutdown each of the instance and repeated the test.
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; In this limited sample the fasted AppID loaded the application in an average
&gt;&gt; of 1.35 secs, while the slowest averaged 3.55 secs
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; The Application is using:
&gt;&gt;   runtime: python27
&gt;&gt;   threadsafe: false
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; I also performed the test on warm instances, but the results did not seem to
&gt;&gt; indicate a correlation.
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; I also tested the fasted and slowest AppIDs with a similar application
&gt;&gt; written in Go, where AppID did not effect the cold start times.
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; A little more information on the AppIDs:
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; The fasted AppID was created yesterday
&gt;&gt; The slowest was created many months ago.
&gt;&gt; The slowest AppIDs were also the ones containing a dash(-), but that&#x27;s
&gt;&gt; probably just a coincidence.
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; Is this slowness due to older hardware, or is this somehow related to the
&gt;&gt; python27 runtime?
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; Can anything be done for these slow AppIDs? Is it best just to delete them?
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; Thanks,
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; - Kyle
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Apr2o_vtfYo3dFNPMDQ2ZHU1T2ZwcmJIOHNQYU9EWXc
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Has anyone noticed a dramatic difference in Cold Start times when using 
different AppIDs?

I recently changed the AppID for a project that I'm working on and there 
was a noticeable reduction in the *cold* start time.

Intrigued, I decided to perform an experiment:

   - I loaded the application on 4 different AppIDs all of which were *HRD*.
   - Using *tools.pingdom.com* I loaded the home page for each of the 
   AppIDs using the *http://*.appspot.com* domain and recorded *wait 
   (yellow bar) *time for the HTML page.
   - I, then, *shutdown* each of the instance and repeated the test.

In this limited sample the *fasted* AppID loaded the application in an 
average of *1.35* secs, while the *slowest* averaged *3.55* secs

The Application is using:
  runtime: *python27*
  threadsafe: *false*

I also performed the test on *warm* instances, but the results did *not*seem to 
indicate a correlation.

I also tested the fasted and slowest AppIDs with a similar application 
written in Go, where AppID did *not* effect the cold start times.

A little more information on the AppIDs:

   - The *fasted* AppID was created yesterday
   - The *slowest* was created many months ago.
   - The *slowest* AppIDs were also the ones containing a dash(-), but 
   that's probably just a coincidence.

Is this slowness due to older hardware, or is this somehow related to the 
python27 runtime?

Can anything be done for these slow AppIDs? Is it best just to delete them?

Thanks,

- Kyle

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Nice! I was wondering if javascript might be a possibility.

When you first described your use-case fabricjs immediately came to mind:
http://fabricjs.com/image-filters/ 

- Kyle

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&gt; Thanks Kyle
&gt; 
&gt; Just for the record... The workaround that I use now is this: if any
&gt; image in the collection needs a rotation (i.e. not a multiple of 90),
&gt; I send all images to the browser where javascript does the compositing
&gt; at the expense of the added bandwidth.
&gt; 
&gt; On Feb 6, 10:52 pm, Kyle Finley  wrote:
&gt;&gt; Sorry, Mike, I thought I was responding to a message on the Python group. 
&gt;&gt; Hopefully someone with better knowledge of Java will respond.
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; FWIW It is possible to run a Python or Go version of you app under the same 
&gt;&gt; application namespace. This can be done either as a backend or as a separate 
&gt;&gt; version of your app. It would then have access to the same datastore / 
&gt;&gt; blobstore.
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; - Kyle
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; On Feb 6, 2012, at 11:31 PM, mikaye wrote:
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt; Thanks, not sure I can use this from the Java runtime environment
&gt;&gt;&gt; unless I were to set up a separate application.
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt; --Mike
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt; On Feb 6, 10:48 am, Kyle Finley  wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Hey mikaye,
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Could you use PIL instead? It&#x27;s available when using the python27 runtime.
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; http://code.google.com/appengine/docs/python/python27/using27.html#Co...
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Sorry, Mike, I thought I was responding to a message on the Python group. 
Hopefully someone with better knowledge of Java will respond.

FWIW It is possible to run a Python or Go version of you app under the same 
application namespace. This can be done either as a backend or as a separate 
version of your app. It would then have access to the same datastore / 
blobstore. 

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&gt; Thanks, not sure I can use this from the Java runtime environment
&gt; unless I were to set up a separate application.
&gt; 
&gt; --Mike
&gt; 
&gt; On Feb 6, 10:48 am, Kyle Finley  wrote:
&gt;&gt; Hey mikaye,
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; Could you use PIL instead? It&#x27;s available when using the python27 runtime.
&gt;&gt; 
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Hey mikaye,

Could you use PIL instead? It's available when using the python27 runtime.

http://code.google.com/appengine/docs/python/python27/using27.html#Configuring_Libraries

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Thank you for your reply Moishe.

It's good to know that the "create" quote is on it's way out. 

I'm not sure that charging by "minutes requested" apposed to "minutes consumed" 
actually solves the problem, thought. Instead of reusing one "long lived 
channel" developers will be forced to create many "short lived channels", 
unless there's some financial deterrent in doing so. 

Also, charging by "minutes requested" seems contrary to App Engine philosophy 
of pay for the resources you use, and more like a cell phone plan, which relies 
on people purchasing based on least surprise.  I don't see the later 
translating well in this environment, however.  I can't imagine a developer 
paying for excess minutes, just to prevent a disconnect by app engine, when 
they would have to prepare for this anyways. 

In my mind the ideal solution would better mirror web sockets. Where I don't 
need to decide a head of time how long a user might decide to say on my site.

If there is an increased cost associated with the channel creation, on your 
end, I personally wouldn't be apposed to a minimum minute expiration ( much 
like the 15min instance minimum ). 

Thanks for listening,

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Ikai, 

Would you mind clarifying the changes to the Channel API? From the 
Pre-release statement It appeared that the quota was being changed to be 
automatically measured in terms of minutes a channel has been open, instead 
of channels created. 

Your release notes, however, seem to indicate that the current metrics are 
still in place, but developers now have the ability to change the 
expiration.

Does this mean that we will still need to reuse channels, in order to 
decrease cost? I was hoping that this complexity was being removed.

And if so, are all channels priced the same? I.e. a channel that expires in 
1 min costs the same as a channel the expires in 200min?

Thank you for the updates.

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- Channel API quota is now automatically measured in terms of minutes a channel 
 has been open, instead of channels created. Additionally, developers can now  
specify how long a channel can be open, with the default remaining two hours.

This is a welcome change. How is the pricing set? Is it:

$0.5 / hour (( $0.01 / (100 * 120)) * 60)
12,000 minutes free ( 100 channels * 120 minutes )

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aschmid,

Are you running python27? If so you should see some improvement by 
importing *json* instead of *simplejson*. 

http://stackoverflow.com/a/8191970/236564

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<h3><span class=subject><a href="/google-appengine@googlegroups.com/msg55301.html">[google-appengine] Re: Change in behavior of get_serving_url</a></span></h3>
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Could you pass 0 as a string?

url = get_serving_url(key, size="0")

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You might look at ProtoRPC:

http://code.google.com/appengine/docs/python/tools/protorpc/overview.html 

I use it for clientside communication with Backbone and Sproutcore, but it 
also does a nice job of simplifying server to server communication. The 
tunes_db example demonstrates this quite well.

http://code.google.com/p/google-protorpc/source/browse/#hg%2Fdemos%2Ftunes_db

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<h3><span class=subject><a href="/google-appengine@googlegroups.com/msg54026.html">Re: [google-appengine] Re: Static files question</a></span></h3>
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Any time a user / browser requests the file it is counted as a request, and
logged in the summary page. To limit the amount of request made from the
user&#x27;s browser you can cache &lt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_cache&gt; the
file in the user&#x27;s browser.

To do this on Google App Engine add a *default_expiration *to your *app.yaml
* file:

*default_expiration: &quot;10m&quot;*
*
*
- url: /images
  static_dir: static/images

The *&quot;10m&quot;* will cache files in your static/images folder for 10 minutes.
If one user loads the page 100 times in 10 minutes it will only show up as
one request. After 10 minutes the browse will make a new request adding
another download to your summary page. You can extend the time by changing
the* default_expiration: &quot;1d&quot; *&lt;- for example will cache files for one day.

Here&#x27;s full documentation for app.yaml settings:
http://code.google.com/appengine/docs/python/config/appconfig.html#Static_File_Pattern_Handlers

Does that answer your question?

- Kyle

On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 9:58 PM, Kate  wrote:

&gt; Thanks Kylie, but why are these files still showing as &quot;requests&quot; on
&gt; my summary page?
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; On Nov 15, 2:44 pm, Kyle Finley  wrote:
&gt; &gt; - url: /images
&gt; &gt;   static_dir: static/images
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; *Yes*
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; - url: /images/ads
&gt; &gt;   static_dir: static/images/ads  /* that is do subdirectories have the be
&gt; &gt; explicitly listed
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; *No, all subdirectories will be included:*
&gt; &gt; *images/ads*
&gt; &gt; *images/cats*
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; - url /stylesheets
&gt; &gt;  static_dir /stylesheets /* that is can you have more than one virtual
&gt; static_dir?
&gt; &gt; */
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&gt; &gt; *Yes*
&gt; &gt;
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- url: /images 
  static_dir: static/images 

*Yes*

- url: /images/ads 
  static_dir: static/images/ads  /* that is do subdirectories have the be 
explicitly listed 

*No, all subdirectories will be included:*
*images/ads*
*images/cats*

- url /stylesheets 
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*Yes*

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Sorry if this is a duplicate.

The development server seems to be ignoring content-type headers when using 
the python27 runtime.
Posting application/json is read as application/x-www-form-urlencoded in 
python27, but runtime: python reads it as application/json.

Is this a know issue or am doing something wrong in my setup?

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<h3><span class=subject><a href="/google-appengine@googlegroups.com/msg50205.html">[google-appengine] Does Account credit remain on the account if billing is disabled?</a></span></h3>
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If I:

1. I have a credit on my account, E.g. ($50) 
2. I disable billing.
3. 3 months latter I re-enable billing.

Do I still have the credit?

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<h3><span class=subject><a href="/google-appengine@googlegroups.com/msg49346.html">[google-appengine] Re: GeoModel and Django</a></span></h3>
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Hi Ellie,

I'm assuming you talking about native Django models. I began a port of 
GeoModel to Django-norel some time ago, but never completed it. Here's the 
repo django-geomodel <https://bitbucket.org/scotch/django-geomodel>. I found 
that for my dataset, without async support in Django, the queries were 
extremely slow. If you weren't using the async version with db models, or 
your doing bounding box queries, it might work for you, though.

For the GeoPt Property I used the ListField from 
djangotoolbox<https://bitbucket.org/wkornewald/djangotoolbox>
. 

If you don't mind me asking, why the move? I've actually moved from 
django-nonrel to webapp2 <http://code.google.com/p/webapp-improved/> for 
greater efficiency, so I'm curious.

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<h3><span class=subject><a href="/google-appengine@googlegroups.com/msg47341.html">[google-appengine] Re: SMSLib With Google App Engine</a></span></h3>
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Another solution would be to use SMS 
gateways http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_SMS_gateways

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<h3><span class=subject><a href="/google-appengine@googlegroups.com/msg45109.html">Re: [google-appengine] Re: FAQ for out of preview pricing changes</a></span></h3>
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Do you think it would be beneficial to use Google 
Moderator<http://www.google.com/moderator/>for this?

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<h3><span class=subject><a href="/google-appengine@googlegroups.com/msg44258.html">Re: [google-appengine] Re: Is App Engine suddenly becoming more expensive???</a></span></h3>
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I noticed that the backends instances are tiered:
class configurationMemory limitCPU limitCost per hour per instanceB1128MB
600MHz$0.08B2 (default)256MB1.2GHz$0.16B4512MB2.4GHz$0.32B81024MB4.8GHz$0.64
I personally would like to see this model extended to the frontend 
instances.

You could have something like:
class configurationMemory limitCPU limitCost per hour per instanceB115MB
600MHz$0.02B2 25MB1.2GHz$0.04B450MB2.4GHz$0.08B8100MB4.8GHz$0.16

This would level the playing field for lean Python apps. 

Considering that one of the reasons for the pricing change was heavy RAM 
usage, it's difficult to understand why all instance would be billed 
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What if you were to re-wright using datastore plus?
http://code.google.com/p/appengine-ndb-experiment/

Would this be comparable to threading?

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